Federal Aviation Administration seeks employment candidates with "severe intellectual" disabilities, psychiatric problems and other mental conditions

[evenflow1969]

Apparently the demand for these specific employees stems from the FAA’s "Diversity and Inclusion" hiring plan, which is overseen by Secretary Pete Buttigieg's Department of Transportation.

Potential staff with severe psychiatric disability were one of the primary demographs targeted for employment with the FAA under Buttigieg.

Anyway...

FAA’s diversity push includes focus on hiring people with ‘severe intellectual’ and ‘psychiatric’ disabilities

Fox News Digital has learned the Federal Aviation Administration is pushing a hiring initiative that emphasizes employing people with "missing extremities" and other disabilities.

www.foxnews.com

Lol, another slobbering idiot right-wing fools spouting mire fucking drivel. The two government agencies that stick the biggest microscope up your ass are the coast guard and the FAA. The coast guard is the regulati g body for my captains license and the FAA is the regulating body for my pilot license. FAA is way, way, way worse. My inspection and maintenance book for my plane is 8 inches thick just for the past 12 months. You are a fucking idiot. Your dumb fucking ass will believe any damn thing. Go eat a dick. You gave obviously never had any dealings with either to believe that fucking horseshit.

 

[pknopp]

And the examples list goes on, and on, and on.

Sure.

 

[Markle]

Your date night? Which one are you?

Thank you!

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Thank you!

I knew it, the one on the right.

 

[Markle]

Sure.

 

[pknopp]

All of it is completely irrelevant and off topic.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

[snipped]

And YES standards are indeed being lowered.

Let me guess, your ATP friends, are they white and male? I have ATP friends as well. They're Black, at least one is a federal flight deck officer and a line check pilot. They'll be facing mandatory retirement within a few years from the first and only airline they have worked for. You don't get to the end of a stellar career by not knowing your stuff and the federal government certainly will not allow you to go armed on a passenger jet whether you're a member of the flight crew or not unless you have achieved a certain level of accomplishment in your career. And they tell me things too or answer me when I have questions about some of the things I hear in the news or in other places.

That's just one of the reasons I know that your statement above is complete bullshit because the requirements to become an airline pilot are set by the federal government, the Federal Aviation Administration and regulated by the FARs (federal aviation regulations). How would it even be possible for them to lower the standards but ONLY them for minority and/or female pilots?

Please stop spreading this false information.

From everything I know, they have made the requirements more stringent then when I first began flying. I believe back then you could hire on with the airlines with just a commercial license with both an instrument and multi-engine rating as long as you had 500 to 750 logged hours in all of the applicable categories. I read just recently that many of the airlines raised that limit to 1500 for the ATP license (sorry, I made a mistake, it was the FAA who raised the requirement to 1500 hours not the airlines):

The 1,500-Hour Rule Has Broken The Pilot Pipeline In The U.S.​

Ben Baldanza

Former Contributor​

I write about airlines and travel to explain this crazy industry.​

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Jul 11, 2022,07:18am EDT​

The U.S. airline industry is facing demand for pilots that won't be met by the current training ... [+]​

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In 2009, Colgan Air flight 3407 crashed just outside of Buffalo, NY. It was a terrible accident and killed 50 people, including one in a house. Following this, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) passed two new regulations in reaction to the crash. One, the flight time and duty rule regulations, also known as FAR 117, put more science to how much rest pilots need. These rules are widely accepted as important and necessary by airlines and pilot groups. The second was a ruling changing the minimum flight hours needed to earn an Air Transport Pilot (ATP) license from 250 hours to 1,500 hours. This has become known as the 1500 Hour rule.​

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The 1500 Hour rule is not as universally accepted as being helpful as the flight time and duty rule regulation. The rule has made it very expensive to decide to become a pilot — about $250,000 out of pocket and two or three years for people not trained by the military. It also has made it difficult to attract new populations, including women and minorities, into the pilot profession. Most importantly, it is seen by some as actually reducing safety since people spend years getting flight experience in areas not necessarily associated with flying commercial aircraft in a complex system, and end up entering that system unprepared.​

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Pilot Supply Is Not Keeping Up With Pilot Demand​

According to the FAA, there are about 164,000 ATP licenses granted in the U.S. This includes people who can no longer legally fly commercially due to age or illness, and pilots who have not maintained medical certification. Estimates for pilots needing to be hired by the airlines for 2022 range from 12,000 to 15,000. Yet, the current rate of training is expected to produce only about 6,000 pilots this year. This means the pilot pipeline in the U.S. is producing less than half of the pilots needed to support the fleet plans of the U.S. airlines.​

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PROMOTED​

The biggest reason for this is the huge hurdle it takes to enter into this career now. Prior to the 1500 Hour rule, prospective pilots could earn their ATP with a Commercial pilots license, a minimum of 250 hours of flying, plus airline-specific training. Typically, new hires had closer to 500 hours before being hired. This process created an apprentice-based solution. New first officers were paired with seasoned captains over their next 1,000 or so hours, learning how to fly in the U.S. airspace system, and into big commercial airports. This apprentice-based system produced the safest air transportation system in the world and operated for over 80 years in the U.S, and was copied by virtually every other nation on the globe.​

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Having to get 1,500 hours before being hired requires an enormous financial and time commitment that effectively shrinks the number of people who are willing to become pilots. As importantly, these 1,500 hours can all be earned flying small, single engine planes in rural areas, or even flying hot air balloons. During the years of building these hours, most applicants do very little to train themselves in the career they plan to enter, such as flying big jets into New York and Chicago.​

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Paying Pilots More Will Help, But Not Fix, The Problem​

Economists don't like the word shortage. They see shortages as a pricing problem, and when goods are priced correctly, markets will always clear. Using this idea, the simple answer to this issue would be to raise pilot pay until the incentive to become a pilot overwhelms the investment needed to make it happen. There is little doubt that, to some extent, raising pilot pay is part of a complete solution.​

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There are two big challenges with this as a unique response, however. The airline pilot career is the second-highest paid in the U.S., behind only medicine. In 2021, the median airline pilot pay in the U.S. was $202,000. Maybe pilots should be paid more than alldoctors eventually, but the point is that there isn’t significant headroom for a career that already is paying its participants at the top end of all career choices. The second is is that the higher pay would go to pilots after they are hired and working for a number of years. This is a long way off to a young person wanting to earn their ATP but looking at three years and $250,000 just to get their first, low-paid pilot job. Yes, eventually they will earn more pay, but at that decision point many other career choices may have more pragmatic economics.​

The 1500 Hour Rule Was Not Related To The Cause Of The Colgan Crash​

The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) ruled that the Colgan crash was primarily due to the pilot inappropriately responding to his situation, and they pointed out that fatigue was a contributing factor — the captain had chronic sleep loss in the days before the accident and both he and the first officer had interrupted and poor-quality sleep in the 24 hours before their 9:18 p.m. takeoff. However, the 1500 hour rule does nothing about pilot fatigue — no post-Colgan regulation has addressed that. And the NTSB did not conclude that either of the pilots were inexperienced. Each of the pilots had over 2,000 flight hours so the 1500 hour rule would not have kept either of them out of that cockpit.​

The families who lost people in the Colgan crash, and anyone who wants the safest air transportation system, deserve regulations that will in fact make the system safer. There is no evidence that the 1500 Hour rule has made our air transportation system safer. There is some evidence that it has been made it less safe. When a child bruises their knee, and the mother kisses the bruise and says everything will be okay, that mother knows the act of kissing does nothing to actually heal the bruise. But it does tell the child that the mother cares, is there for support, and gives the child confidence. The 1500 Hour rule is like that kiss - it makes people feel good that something changed, but the change does nothing to address the NTSB-determined cause of that crash.​

No One In The World Has Matched This, And The U.S. Has Become Uncompetitive As A Result​

The apprentice-based pilot system, pioneered in the U.S. and used around the world, is still in effect everywhere outside the U.S. Since the 1500 Hour rule was enacted in 2010, 12 years ago, not a single country has matched it. You’d think that if this really was a safety issue, at least some countries would have moved to this new standard by now. The European Union requires a minimum of 230 hours along with specific airline training, and Canada still requires what the U.S. used to — a Commercial license, minimum of 250 hours, and specific training.​

Every day, hundreds of foreign airline airplanes land at U.S. airports with first officers using this apprentice-based system. If there is really a safety issue with this, why would the FAA allow all of these flights to operate at our airports? This regulation has put U.S. airlines in a uncompetitive position with foreign airlines worldwide. If there was a clear safety advantage to this, it would be fine being uncompetitive in this way. However, no such safety advantage has been proven for the 1500 Hour rule.​

A Practical Solution To The Problem​

An outright repeal of the 1500 Hour rule would require an act of Congress, and that is highly emotional, not likely, and would take years even if there were support. But within current FAA authority, Secretary Buttigieg could create a probationary ATP and offer it to pilots with 500 or 750 hours, and specific airline training. This probation could be removed, becoming a standard ATP license, after a pre-defined set of hours and experiences gained on the job and certified by check airmen. This approach still is more onerous than the original 250 hour standard used by the rest of the world, but significantly lessens the financial commitment and time to get into the workplace for aspiring pilots.​

This proposal is practical, and puts the U.S. airlines back on a somewhat even playing field as they compete with airlines from the rest of the world. It would still take time to rebuild the pipeline, meaning that for the next few years, the smallest U.S. airlines, including the regional airlines, will still struggle to to find the crews they need. Temporary financial incentives can help this. The real fix, though, is to be able to attract a wide, diverse group of men and women to become commercial airline pilots. With only 5% of ATPs being female today and only 14% non-white, the net can clearly be cast much wider. The training academies started by many airlines are a good way to get started, and having a more realistic target of hours before earning a paycheck will balance the scales and bring supply in line with demand. Most importantly, it will do this with no reduction in safety of our national air transport system.​

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Ben Baldanza
https://www.forbes.com/sites/benbal...the-pilot-pipeline-in-the-us/?sh=2bdafe56a0a7​

 

[Frankenstein]

FAA’s diversity push includes focus on hiring people with ‘severe intellectual’ and ‘psychiatric’ disabilities

Fox News Digital has learned the Federal Aviation Administration is pushing a hiring initiative that emphasizes employing people with "missing extremities" and other disabilities.

www.foxnews.com

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is actively recruiting workers who suffer "severe intellectual" disabilities, psychiatric problems and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency’s website.

"Targeted disabilities are those disabilities that the Federal government, as a matter of policy, has identified for special emphasis in recruitment and hiring," the FAA’s website states. "They include hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism."
What could possibly go wrong

 

[Harpy Eagle]

FAA’s diversity push includes focus on hiring people with ‘severe intellectual’ and ‘psychiatric’ disabilities

Fox News Digital has learned the Federal Aviation Administration is pushing a hiring initiative that emphasizes employing people with "missing extremities" and other disabilities.

www.foxnews.com

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is actively recruiting workers who suffer "severe intellectual" disabilities, psychiatric problems and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency’s website.

"Targeted disabilities are those disabilities that the Federal government, as a matter of policy, has identified for special emphasis in recruitment and hiring," the FAA’s website states. "They include hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism."
What could possibly go wrong

Thanks for the 13th thread on this topic.

You tell us, what could go wrong with an admin/HR person that has hearing or vision problems, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism.

 

[Frankenstein]

Thanks for the 13th thread on this topic.

You tell us, what could go wrong with an admin/HR person that has hearing or vision problems, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism.

BY troll

 

[Frankenstein]

Right, they want them to work on the avionics and as engineers in faux niws fantasy land.

 

[SmokeALib]

It's the leftist "inclusive" mantra.
I usually come back with:
Would you rather have the best heart surgeon available - or the best (insert "inclusive" group here) heart surgeon available?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

BY troll

so, you do not have an answer.

Not a bit shocked by that

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It's the leftist "inclusive" mantra.
I usually come back with:
Would you rather have the best heart surgeon available - or the best (insert "inclusive" group here) heart surgeon available?

They are not hiring heart surgeons, they are hiring HR and contracting people. What do you think should happen with people with disabilities, should they never be given a job since they all have limitations due to their disabilities?

 

[SmokeALib]

They are not hiring heart surgeons, they are hiring HR and contracting people. What do you think should happen with people with disabilities, should they never be given a job since they all have limitations due to their disabilities?

Leftists don't care. Be inclusive - or be damned.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Leftists don't care. Be inclusive - or be damned.

I asked you, not a leftist, unless you are one of those.

What do you think should happen with people with disabilities, should they never be given a job since they all have limitations due to their disabilities?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Please stop spreading this false information.

If he did not spread false information he would not ever be able to make a post again

 

[SmokeALib]

They are not hiring heart surgeons, they are hiring HR and contracting people. What do you think should happen with people with disabilities, should they never be given a job since they all have limitations due to their disabilities?

This OP mentions "severe intellectual and psychiatric" abilities. Probably not the best fit where human safety is at play.
Physical disability I personally don't see a problem there.
You are attempting to lump all disabilities into one ball of yarn...

 

[Harpy Eagle]

This OP mentions "severe intellectual and psychiatric" abilities. Probably not the best fit where human safety is at play.

How much human safety is in play in someone being an HR clerk? Or a contracting specialist?

Also, psychiatric disabilities include things like PTSD and eating disorders.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If he did not spread false information he would not ever be able to make a post again

you retards wouldn't know the truth if it ripped your head off and shit down your throat.