TheDecepticon
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- Oct 26, 2011
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Let's see if I can enlighten you...a possibility made miniscule due to your rabid hatred of the truth....
1. "It turns out, however, that Fast and Furious was not the first anti-smuggling case in which ATF agents used such a technique. Firearms were allowed into Mexico during two earlier operations, including a 2006-07 Tucson case known as Operation Wide Receiver. Those investigations were carried out quietly during the George W. Bush administration, without public controversy.
In Fast and Furious, an agent named John Dodson recognized early on that allowing guns to travel south could lead to bloodshed and scandal. What made the strategy especially dubious was the lack of a plan to follow the weapons. Agents used wiretaps and once installed a tracking device in the stock of a gun. But, mostly, firearms simply disappeared. And Mexican authorities, who were pleading with the U.S. government to prevent the exportation of assault rifles, had no idea."
ATF gun probe: Behind the fall of Operation Fast and Furious
a. A careful reading of same will explain that both administrations seem to have had the same objective...to prevent or curtail the use of 'straw gun sales' that resulted in guns winding up in the hads of the cartels.
But....they were very different is several important ways:
b. "Wide Receivers notion of tracing was night-and-day different from the tracing involved in the reckless gun-walking approach employed by Fast & Furious. Obviously, however, Democrats hope that if they get enough help from their friends in the media, the public will miss the distinction....some crucial distinctions between to two ATF operations. Wide Receiver actually involved not gun-walking but controlled delivery. Unlike gun-walking, which seems (for good reason) to have been unheard of until Fast & Furious, controlled delivery is a very common law enforcement tactic....Fast & Furious involved uncontrolled deliveries of thousands of weapons. It was an utterly heedless program in which the feds allowed these guns to be sold to straw purchasers often leaning on reluctant gun dealers to make the sales."
Fast & Furious Was . . . Bushs Fault - By Andrew C. McCarthy - The Corner - National Review Online
2. For some reason, the Bush administration project had better restrictions and fail-safe considerations...and stopped the plan when guns continued to get through.
a. Was that because the ATF under Bush was smarter?
b. Actually...in the OP you learn that the real reason was that the Obama administration plan was designed to actually allow functioning guns to get to the drug cartels.
Get it?
The plan did a poor job of tracking the guns because it was designed to do just that!!!
Why?
Because the Obama-Holder D o J wanted to be able to point to the cartel-owned guns as a reason to blunt the recent conservative Supreme Court 2nd amendment decisons.
3. Now that CBS (will wonders never cease?) revealed the emails that indicate this, Obama-apologists, that would be you, pretend not to understand this....
...Somehow, when it indicts the Leftists, you guys can never seem to connect the dots.
So, let's review:
a. While the Bush project controlled the gun movement, the Obama-Holder plan allowed the guns to 'walk.'
b. In what seemed to be the usual Obama-incompetence, there was actually an ulterior, and sinister, motive: to undermine by surreptitious means what the Leftists saw the Supreme Court validate, the rights of Americans under the Constitution.
On the other hand, I do have a certain amount of sympathy for the Left when it has to rely on someone with your limited ability to defend it....
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1. Carried out quietly and without public controversy. Nice. Isn't that just another way of saying you didn't get caught? Congratulations. You HID your failure well. Do you want a cookie for that or will a "heckuva job" suffice? Bush let the guns walk too. UNDISPUTED FACT.
From the article I posted, had you bothered to read it....
The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into 2007. The ATF was informed of a suspicious gun purchase by licensed dealer Mike Detty in Tucson, Arizona. He was then hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division. With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[18] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[17] They were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.[6][19]
ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CAN YOU READ? Does that sound like they "controlled" the gun movement?
The difference here is between 450 guns under Bush and 700 under Obama, conducted by the SAME ATF personnel.
2. Better restrictions and fail safe policies? Like watching the guns go over the border and waiting for Mexican officials to pick up the slack, which they didn't? That's ALMOST as smart as letting our allies capture Osama Bin Laden at Tora Bora, isn't it?
Face it, this isn't an embarrassment for Obama in any other respect that he didn't CLEAN UP YOUR MESS fast enough or to your liking.
FACTS:
450 Guns went into Mexico untracked under Bush.
Same personnel that conducted that failure, conducted the SAME one that you're bitching about now.
Obama actually PROSECUTED CRIMINALS that the Bush administration let walk in Operation Wide Receiver.
Come back when you figure out how something that started under Bush, didn't result in ANY prosecutions or red flags for that administration, is now a HUGE problem for Obama and Holder, who HALTED it when they found out about it?
Your lock step acceptance of the views of the Left make you appear more like iron filings in a magnetic field than a thinking human being.
Read
the
emails.
They document exactly what I say in OP....
The Obama-Holder plan was not about guns....it was about new restrictions on gun owners.
Need a review? Sure...from the CBS story:
"...emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". "
"...ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:
"Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."
Neither the provenance nor the objective of the two operations were the same.
One was designed to stem the flow of guns.
The other to subvert the Constitution.
That is the perennial motivation of the Left.
I understand that the difference is too...what ...nuanced...subtle for you...but the American people will understand it.
I understand your desire to defend Obama and Holder, as the three of you share the same
delusions of adequacy.
And...I do get a chuckle out of you tap-dancing as fast as you can.
The emails.
Read 'em and try again.
Tap dancing? I posted facts. YOU posted your OPINION.
I proved you were a fucking liar, didn't I?
You said Bush CONTROLLED the guns. I proved 450 walked huh?
That makes you a LIAR. Why should anyone trust a LIAR?
Fucking post numbers...not vague unsupported shit like Obama is trying to "subvert the constitution"
Holy shit...if he was up to anything like that, you rat felching CONZ would be all over him like stupid on Rush. I mean look how far you went over Clinton's fucking blowjob.