Fascism or Socialism?

[sparky]

nationalization also works great with things like the BBC, energy health care. Necessities that should not be about profit. Economic colonialists like the English and Americans now don't like it when countries try and take back their own natural resources. See Iran 1953, chile 1973 Bolivia and tin, Latin America and United fruit etc etc lol. Venezuela taking their oil back. etc.

thx Franco

methinks some of my confusion is actually Venezuela , which when Chavez was in power was touted by the left as a 'socialist model' allbeit they had nationalized things like oil.....

~S~

 

[danielpalos]

Who cares what you call it? Both are enemies of the state and need to be wiped out...starting with Biden & his handlers.

Government is socialism.

To establish Post Offices and post Roads; "along with Post canals and Ports."

The Postal Service is a secret giant, generating about $71 billion in annual sales, including $23 billion in parcel revenue during 2019. UPS had about $76 billion in sales and $46 billion in U.S. package revenue over that span, while the numbers for FedEx are $69 billion and $48 billion.

Upgrading Post port hardware and integrating customs and postal services can help with supply side economics.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What say you good people?

This fails as a false dilemma fallacy.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why does it have to be a choice between such things?

I find it disgusting that the nation that sacrificed thousands of lives to defeat fascism in the 20th century is now seeing it as an option for our nation.

How about the option of a democratic republic with a constitution?

That is what the United States of America was founded on and the system I choose for our nation.

Agreed.

The problem is that control of the Federal government isn’t determined by a democratic process.

Who controls the executive and judicial branches are determined by the states, not the people – the same is true with regard to the Senate.

Republicans have exploited this in bad faith, seeking to manipulate the political process to create Republican minority rule and government that doesn’t represent the will of the majority of the American people.

 

[Clipper]

Definitely Fascism. I had my own run-in just today (yesterday now) with my own resident commies, in this case, Mask Fascists who turned out to be my own family doctor and his staff who would rather see their patients harmed rather than their wills be disobeyed or their absolute authority in all matters PC within their horizon not be jumped to at their every command.

Zoot! Zoot!

Oh look. Time to hit the panic button over a mask.

Amazing.

 

[francoHFW]

thx Franco

methinks some of my confusion is actually Venezuela , which when Chavez was in power was touted by the left as a 'socialist model' allbeit they had nationalized things like oil.....

~S~

The economy of Venezuela has been totally ruined by US sanctions. End of story. The socialists still are elected or at least electable despite their misery. The US is not popular. Covert action continues. The Misery also causes desperate immigration to the United States OMG... What a mess.

 

[struth]

Lesser of two weevils.

there is no lesser of the two. Both are horrible…fascism is liar socialism delayed

 

[dblack]

Why does it have to be a choice between such things?

That's the question, indeed. Why do we assume that we are limited to two bad choices?

How about the option of a democratic republic with a constitution?
That is what the United States of America was founded on and the system I choose for our nation.

Hmm.... sounds crazy, but it just might work!

 

[eagle1462010]

That is the reverse of what we are talking about here. Nationalization is when the public owns and operates capitol investment through government bureaucracy. IOW, real socialism. Think, like your local waterworks, or the post office. The service of the public then tends to be the goal of these organizations, NOT profit optimization.



. .. and to be honest? I am not really even sure of the details of the infrastructure plan, or how much privatization of the deal we are talking about.

Now, obviously, the roads are not being privatized.

But? It sounds like just about everything else is a corporate give away. The taxpayers and corporations are being asked, to do something, which, in the end, will essentially be, and benefit, share holders on Wall-street.

Investments in rail, will benefit Amtrak, and, I don't know if there are any other upstart high-speed private rail companies. Investment in high-speed internet? That will pad the bottom line of ISP's. Investments in childcare, will benefit those who provide the care --- though, if it is subsidized, those with children might see a benefit.

We could go on like that. . . looking at each industry, but I am sure it is the same, in industry after industry.

That is the same as SNAP payments. Conservatives often grouse about those, but don't understand that these payments are put into the farm bill, as they are a big corporation give away to BIG AG, as well as big box stores, which benefit from a ready supply of guaranteed consumers.


Now. . . if it were up to me? I would have desired that the "privatization," be done through community owned co-ops. The co-op philosophy makes people in the community stake holders in the corporations, thus, profit is only one of the goals of the corporations, BUT, since everyone is a stake holder, it places people over profits.

Think, farm co-ops, energy co-ops, credit unions, etc.

However, in organizations like these? They don't have well paid lobbyists up on capitol hill writing our legislation. So, we will have infrastructure that will control us, sap our wallets, and bankrupt us all for the almighty dollar, or whatever they finally decide to replace the dollar with to keep us all enslaved.

WEF assholes. You will own nothing and be happy. The Great Reset they claim will be coming by 2030. After they destroy currency and create another Great Depression.

pffft.

 

[eagle1462010]

So will the op define the purpose of the 2 party question, which I think is the punch line of this poll.

Both are basically the same in my view. They both take control of everything and tell you how to live cradle to grave.

 

[g5000]

Fascism or Socialism?​

Boxers or briefs?

 

[eagle1462010]

Boxers or briefs?

Boxers

 

[MisterBeale]

WEF assholes. You will own nothing and be happy. The Great Reset they claim will be coming by 2030. After they destroy currency and create another Great Depression.

pffft.

Just viewed a meme, that perfectly describes what life will be like under it. The person called it, "socialism," but a socialism run by elite technocrats, is technically a technocracy.

That will pretty much be, how life will be like.

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[MisterBeale]

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[sparky]

The economy of Venezuela has been totally ruined by US sanctions. End of story. The socialists still are elected or at least electable despite their misery. The US is not popular. Covert action continues. The Misery also causes desperate immigration to the United States OMG... What a mess.

so another example of US involvement resulting in folks here wanting a wall then?

man.....

~S~

 

[sparky]

another Great Depression.

feels like we got one foot in that, and the other on some stimulus here eagle.....~S~

 

[2aguy]

What say you good people?

Fascism is one type of socialism…so your first post makes no sense….it should be fascism or communism……two different types of socialism…then you would have a choice to make.

 

[2aguy]

Government is socialism.

To establish Post Offices and post Roads; "along with Post canals and Ports."


Upgrading Post port hardware and integrating customs and postal services can help with supply side economics.

No, they arent……socialism is the government controlling the means of production…..in communism…the actual practice in the real world communism……not the theoretical communism…….the government controls the economy directly….in the fascist, socialist model…the government controls the economy but pretends to allow some private ownership…..but all economic decisinss are made by the government and the “owners” of the businesses only serve at the directiin of the governmmet …….