Fascism or Socialism?

[dblack]

What say you good people?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

In what regard?

Is this about which describes today's left, which I would prefer (false dichotomy) or what?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Neither

 

[MisterBeale]

Sounds like dirgisme, which, IMO, is, fascism. Same as the ACA.

Critics Warn Bipartisan Infrastructure Plan 'Would Facilitate a Wall Street Takeover' | Common Dreams

"This deal is a disaster in the making, and it must be rejected."

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New ‘Bipartisan’ Infrastructure Plan is a Privatization-Promoting Disaster

Wall Street takeover of essential services will cost ratepayers

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Bipartisan infrastructure pitch gains steam on Capitol Hill as Biden weighs in from Europe

21 senators now support framework of infrastructure deal, and Biden says his chief of staff believes there’s “room” for an agreement.

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[MisterBeale]

 

[dblack]

In what regard?

Lesser of two weevils.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Lesser of two weevils.

Both place the individual as subordinate to the state, and deny individual choice in favor of that state.

As such, it would depend more on the particulars in regards to the nature of the state in question instead of the form that state takes.

 

[dblack]

Both place the individual as subordinate to the state, and deny individual choice in favor of that state.

Yup. That seems to be what people want.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What say you good people?

You support both.

But then they are virtually always the same damned thing.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

You support both.

But then they are virtually always the same damned thing.

So, things will never change than?

 

[dblack]

You support both.

Quote it or STFU, shitface.

 

[toobfreak]

What say you good people?

Definitely Fascism. I had my own run-in just today (yesterday now) with my own resident commies, in this case, Mask Fascists who turned out to be my own family doctor and his staff who would rather see their patients harmed rather than their wills be disobeyed or their absolute authority in all matters PC within their horizon not be jumped to at their every command.

Zoot! Zoot!

 

[dblack]

Definitely Fascism. I had my own run-in just today (yesterday now) with my own resident commies, in this case, Mask Fascists who turned out to be my own family doctor and his staff who would rather see their patients harmed rather than their wills be disobeyed or their absolute authority in all matters PC within their horizon not be jumped to at their every command.

Zoot! Zoot!

Heil!

 

[sparky]

Sounds like dirgisme, which, IMO, is, fascism. Same as the ACA.

Critics Warn Bipartisan Infrastructure Plan 'Would Facilitate a Wall Street Takeover' | Common Dreams

"This deal is a disaster in the making, and it must be rejected."

www.commondreams.org

New ‘Bipartisan’ Infrastructure Plan is a Privatization-Promoting Disaster

Wall Street takeover of essential services will cost ratepayers

www.commondreams.org

Bipartisan infrastructure pitch gains steam on Capitol Hill as Biden weighs in from Europe

21 senators now support framework of infrastructure deal, and Biden says his chief of staff believes there’s “room” for an agreement.

web.archive.org

Mr B, would, when or how would the term 'nationalization' fit in this all?

Nationalization - Wikipedia

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~S~

 

[MisterBeale]

Mr B, would, when or how would the term 'nationalization' fit in this all?

Nationalization - Wikipedia

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~S~

That is the reverse of what we are talking about here. Nationalization is when the public owns and operates capitol investment through government bureaucracy. IOW, real socialism. Think, like your local waterworks, or the post office. The service of the public then tends to be the goal of these organizations, NOT profit optimization.



. .. and to be honest? I am not really even sure of the details of the infrastructure plan, or how much privatization of the deal we are talking about.

Now, obviously, the roads are not being privatized.

But? It sounds like just about everything else is a corporate give away. The taxpayers and corporations are being asked, to do something, which, in the end, will essentially be, and benefit, share holders on Wall-street.

Investments in rail, will benefit Amtrak, and, I don't know if there are any other upstart high-speed private rail companies. Investment in high-speed internet? That will pad the bottom line of ISP's. Investments in childcare, will benefit those who provide the care --- though, if it is subsidized, those with children might see a benefit.

We could go on like that. . . looking at each industry, but I am sure it is the same, in industry after industry.

That is the same as SNAP payments. Conservatives often grouse about those, but don't understand that these payments are put into the farm bill, as they are a big corporation give away to BIG AG, as well as big box stores, which benefit from a ready supply of guaranteed consumers.


Now. . . if it were up to me? I would have desired that the "privatization," be done through community owned co-ops. The co-op philosophy makes people in the community stake holders in the corporations, thus, profit is only one of the goals of the corporations, BUT, since everyone is a stake holder, it places people over profits.

Think, farm co-ops, energy co-ops, credit unions, etc.

However, in organizations like these? They don't have well paid lobbyists up on capitol hill writing our legislation. So, we will have infrastructure that will control us, sap our wallets, and bankrupt us all for the almighty dollar, or whatever they finally decide to replace the dollar with to keep us all enslaved.

 

[danielpalos]

What say you good people?

Fascism is worthless compared to socialism.

Fascism can never hope to establish a Commune of Heaven on Earth.

 

[Oddball]

What say you good people?

Two slightly differing sides of the same totalitarian coin.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Fascism is worthless compared to socialism.

Fascism can never hope to establish a Commune of Heaven on Earth.

Neither can socialism.

 

[danielpalos]

Neither can socialism.

All it requires are social morals for free.

Capitalism will never buy even a stairway to heaven.

 

[Donald H]

The title of this thread is a display of gross ignorance.
Sadly, it doesn't propose any kind of meaningful discussion on the huge differences.

Perhaps this can be a challenge to the OP to turn it into something useful?