Fascism in Ukraine

[Stratford57]

Let’s remember how fascism has started in 20th century. In 30-s under Europe’s nose fascism was developing from a small growth into a very powerful and dangerous wave, significantly increasing every year. And old Europe preferred not to recognize this evil.
Let’s now look what is going on in 21st century in the Ukraine, estimated numbers:
Dec, 2013 – 2 thousands of new Nazis;
Feb, 2014 - 10 thousands of new Nazis;
June, 20014 – 50 thousands of new Nazis;
Sep, 2014 expected 100 thousands of new Nazis.
Ukraine with 45 million people in the middle of Europe can very quickly turn into a huge fascist nest in no time. And is Europe either concerned or doing anything about it? Is it trying to cut the snake’s head off before it grows to threaten the world? Is it doing anything different to what it was doing in 30-s? Then may be the world has to expect the same events in 21st century as well? With all the experience mankind has had with it everyone should know that if we don’t stop fascism right now, it can possibly come to everybody’s home. By the way, the people from SE Ukraine (its historical Russia’s lands) recognized fascism was coming and at first tried to protest peacefully against it. However it ended up with an all-out war against them, which is now in progress in Donbass. Kerry’s press secretary Jen Psaki always calls them “separatists and terrorists”, but the truth is: they are the only ones in the whole world who are indeed fighting terror and fascism. By the way, we are surprised that until now nobody asked Psaki and US State Department: what is their business in Ukraine. It’s funny: lately Psaki claimed that almost half a million of refugees from Ukraine in Russia came there “to visit their grandmas”. So, if Russia ever brings its troops to Ukraine, will Psaki report that they came to visit their grandpas? In any case who are those from State Department to report to the whole world what’s going on in Ukraine? And how much do they know about it? Ukrainian blood may contain Russian, Polish, Jewish, Romanian bloods (even though Ukrainians are so proud of their “pure Ukrainian race”), so it would be more natural if somebody from Russia, Poland or Romania would report to the world about Ukraine, wouldn’t it??
The authors of this post does not expect you to change your mind about the subject immediately. We would just like to motivate you to keep your eyes and ears open, because there is a lot of truthful information around in which the officials of almost all the world are trying to hide. Why? We probably will get to know it after some time as it often happens in the history of mankind, hopefully it won’t be too late for mankind by then….
Andrey Karaulov has just presented a 50 min documentary film about recent events taking place in Ukraine. If you dare to watch it many things may become clearer to you.
Watch: Andrey Karaulov “Fascism as it is” (it’s in English).
For more complete picture according to recent events in Ukraine you may consider to read our previous posts “Ukraine, other side of the story” and Part II, ”Chicago style politics of US leaders in Ukraine” on the same web page you are now.

 

[Vorskla]

I really don't want to start a giant argument, since my post is not going to change *your* mind on the subject.
Russian troops are currently in Ukraine. There are Russian tanks that crossed the border. People are being killed by "little green men" (as they are known since they do not have identifying marks on their UNIFORMS).

Ukraine is under attack from Russia and yet it gets covered up by propaganda and BS documentaries...
There is something worthy of looking up - Budapest Memorandums on Security Assurances, 1994

"The Presidents of Ukraine, Russian Federation and United States of America, and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom signed three memorandums (UN Document A/49/765) on December 5, 1994, with the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. Through this agreement, these countries (later to include China and France in individual statements) gave national security assurances to Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine. The Joint Declaration by the Russian Federation and the United States of America of December 4, 2009 confirmed their commitment."

...and yet Ukraine is invaded by Russia.

 

[Stratford57]

If talking points from the State Department works for you that fine. But I have been there and from reading your talking points I'm sure you have not.

 

[Vorskla]

Actually, I'm from there. And even though I'm "lucky" enough to not be residing there at the moment my sister just left the city of Kiev two weeks ago and my father (and the rest of my family) are currently residing in the city of Poltava.
So, yes, I am familiar with the situation.

 

[Stratford57]

I am also from there. Sounds like you would be from Kiev where dislike of the Russians and Russian speaking people is coming. My family and friends are all from the SE.

 

[Vorskla]

We do somewhat dislike Russians at this point... a little bit. We used to be two closed cultures, basically a family and then they betrayed us.
And it started about two years ago. Slowly, but surely Ukrainian products were made illegal in Russia and propaganda against Ukrainians escalated and now this.

 

[Stratford57]

SE never like Ukrainians too much either. But we would never start killing Ukrainians if they decided to separate.

 

[Sonc]

Part of the population to Ukraine - fascists. It is a historic fact.
Look for in Google - 14th SS-Volunteer Division Galician. Stepan Bandera

 

[Sonc]

Russian troops are currently in Ukraine. There are Russian tanks that crossed the border.

You say lies.
Tell the ridiculous truth. When the government of Ukraine directed armies to border of the Crimea money for fuel raised through the SMS from all country. If Russia was at war with Ukraine everything ended just as it was with Georgia. In a week.

 

[Vorskla]

Putin was probably originally hoping that everything was going to be quick, when he originally pulled his troops to Ukrainian border. He figured Ukraine was just going to give up. Except freedom is the most important value to any Ukrainian - so, no Russian victory in a week.
Now, though, Putin is increasing propaganda against Ukraine from within his own country. Showing videos on the news from Yugoslavian conflicts (crucified children, etc.) and calling it "atrocities committed by Ukrainian soldiers". He is just like Hitler - only smarter. (Hitler, when he started wounding up propaganda against the Jews used to show pictures of Jewish families eating German children - look it up)

 

[Stratford57]

You, Ukrainians, are very well brainwashed by Ukrainian propaganda, which is based on lies and nothing but lies. Everything you do good is blame Russia for your own faults during all 23 years of your "independence" which is a big fake too. Also you are good in stealing Russian gas (all years of Yuschenko's presidency and this year as well) and shooting planes "by mistake" , remember 2001 from Israel to Russia????

 

[Bleipriester]

Let’s remember how fascism has started in 20th century. In 30-s under Europe’s nose fascism was developing from a small growth into a very powerful and dangerous wave, significantly increasing every year. And old Europe preferred not to recognize this evil.
Let’s now look what is going on in 21st century in the Ukraine, estimated numbers:
Dec, 2013 – 2 thousands of new Nazis;
Feb, 2014 - 10 thousands of new Nazis;
June, 20014 – 50 thousands of new Nazis;
Sep, 2014 expected 100 thousands of new Nazis.
Ukraine with 45 million people in the middle of Europe can very quickly turn into a huge fascist nest in no time. And is Europe either concerned or doing anything about it? Is it trying to cut the snake’s head off before it grows to threaten the world? Is it doing anything different to what it was doing in 30-s? Then may be the world has to expect the same events in 21st century as well? With all the experience mankind has had with it everyone should know that if we don’t stop fascism right now, it can possibly come to everybody’s home. By the way, the people from SE Ukraine (its historical Russia’s lands) recognized fascism was coming and at first tried to protest peacefully against it. However it ended up with an all-out war against them, which is now in progress in Donbass. Kerry’s press secretary Jen Psaki always calls them “separatists and terrorists”, but the truth is: they are the only ones in the whole world who are indeed fighting terror and fascism. By the way, we are surprised that until now nobody asked Psaki and US State Department: what is their business in Ukraine. It’s funny: lately Psaki claimed that almost half a million of refugees from Ukraine in Russia came there “to visit their grandmas”. So, if Russia ever brings its troops to Ukraine, will Psaki report that they came to visit their grandpas? In any case who are those from State Department to report to the whole world what’s going on in Ukraine? And how much do they know about it? Ukrainian blood may contain Russian, Polish, Jewish, Romanian bloods (even though Ukrainians are so proud of their “pure Ukrainian race&#8221, so it would be more natural if somebody from Russia, Poland or Romania would report to the world about Ukraine, wouldn’t it??
The authors of this post does not expect you to change your mind about the subject immediately. We would just like to motivate you to keep your eyes and ears open, because there is a lot of truthful information around in which the officials of almost all the world are trying to hide. Why? We probably will get to know it after some time as it often happens in the history of mankind, hopefully it won’t be too late for mankind by then….
Andrey Karaulov has just presented a 50 min documentary film about recent events taking place in Ukraine. If you dare to watch it many things may become clearer to you.
Watch: Andrey Karaulov “Fascism as it is” (it’s in English).
For more complete picture according to recent events in Ukraine you may consider to read our previous posts “Ukraine, other side of the story” and Part II, ”Chicago style politics of US leaders in Ukraine” on the same web page you are now.

Its not equal to the 30´s. While the NSDAP and its active supporters in Germany numbered 11 million in the Weimar Republic, the developments in the Ukraine were almost completely kicked off by the EU and the USA. Furthermore the separatists in Ukraine are not the only ones fighting terrorism.