Fascism comes to America yet again

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

According to eyewitnesses, the po-leece identified theyselves. Maybe you know better

No, not one eyewitness did that. In fact they all said they didn't hear anything from the police.

One was forced to lie, but he recanted.

Please post your source partisan liar.

No knock warrant was issued. It’s unbelievable that in the land of the free such tyranny is allowed. Yet another example of how our justice system is a bad joke and terribly unjust.
Breonna Taylor's death: A push to limit no-knock warrants

I will NEVER defend no-knock warrants. That is a great way for somebody to get killed.

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

and yet its the democrat left currently trying to control everything that people do,,,

your outrage is misdirected,,,

O. P. Is a lying sack of anti American shit. Its not misdirected, its a flat out lie. And the O. P. Is a OP.

 

[OldFlame]

Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

Pretty lame bait, Starkey.


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Is he Jake the Fake??? Makes sense now... lol

 

[OldFlame]

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The fascists' moved into the Capitol on the 6th of January 2021, then they murdered an unarmed female protestor, when they started erecting fences and brought in more troops than stationed in Afghanistan.

Was it the little American flag she was carrying that frightened them?

*****SMILE*****

The wench died committing and crime like the criminal she is.

As did the idiot Floyd!

 

[Oddball]

Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.

No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.

The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.

Wrong.
Any time you don't have an organized government to defend rights, then whomever can buy the most mercenaries will always win, take over, and create a dictatorship.
Anarchy is never an option.
The wealthy elite just will kill you one at time.
The only way any society can have freedom is from organization collectively.
You just have to have a good constitution so that it remains a democratic republic instead of being taken over by any small group.
You need it to remain truly collective.

I'm telling you what the spectrum IS, I don't need you try and explain your opinions to me.

 

[Pellinore]

Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.

No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.

The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.

Wrong.
Any time you don't have an organized government to defend rights, then whomever can buy the most mercenaries will always win, take over, and create a dictatorship.
Anarchy is never an option.
The wealthy elite just will kill you one at time.
The only way any society can have freedom is from organization collectively.
You just have to have a good constitution so that it remains a democratic republic instead of being taken over by any small group.
You need it to remain truly collective.

I'm telling you what the spectrum IS, I don't need you try and explain your opinions to me.

I have training in political science, and you guys are both intelligent, and some of this forum's best posters.

You are both right.

The problem with a topic like political science, is the belief that there is a "right" or a "wrong," when it is all up to theory and interpretation. There are many charts, graphs, and ways to parse the administration and ruling of human society. A person can look at this topic from many different angels, and pundits usually do depending on the particular interest they are trying to push.

Political spectrum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A lot of the confusion over what is "left vs. right" or liberal vs. authoritarian comes down to folks confusing economics with politics.

The folks that lean left, more than right, have a tendency to do this more often. Economics, to individualists, are a completely different topic than politics. While those on the left believe economics is part of running a state.

. . . and then there is the question of state control. One can have public/private partnerships, very little state control, which is a fascistic economic model. That is the nature of Dirigisme. Yet? The nationalistic trimmings might not be there. This is why folks that are attached to the DNC are so very little aware of why their party is actually more fascistic in nature than the GOP. While the GOP tends more toward the demagoguery, and nationalistic exclusivity of fascism, like the religion and hyper-patriotism. . . it doesn't, and hasn't been engaging in, (or at least not since GW Bush and his gang of fear mongers after 9/11) in trying to close down society like the people in the CFR, Atlantic Council, and the DNC and silicon valley have been doing.

The ten steps​

Wolf outlines ten steps that "closing societies" — such as Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, and Stalin's Russia — have historically followed. These steps, Wolf claims, are being observed in America now.

The steps are:

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
2. Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
3. Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
4. Set up an internal surveillance system.
5. Infiltrate and harass citizens' groups.
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
7. Target key individuals.
8. Control the press.
9. Cast criticism as espionage and dissent as treason.
10. Subvert the rule of law.[3]

The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What all Americans regard as fascism? That is a closed society. When it comes, it will be BOTH parties that do it to us.

I am sure if you asked them, most Americans would not be willing to give up their civil rights and civil liberties guaranteed in the bill of rights, even if conservative government outsourced the entire running of the federal bureaucracy to private globalists corporations, which do not have to uphold US citizen bill of rights, anymore than Facebook or Twitter are guaranteeing free-speech.

What happens when they outsource police protection. . . do citizens still have the right to assembly and to own firearms? Or do they have to sign TOS and EULA for that then?

TOS and EULA for our BILL of Rights? Is that where American Fascism is headed?

I agree with you about all the different spectrums. Any one us can draw any binary choice as a spectrum, and political scientists often do. The main one used in this culture is the classic left (believing in absolute equality for everyone) and right (believing in intrinsic inequality, whether due to demographics or contribution). I like to either describe it as having a U-shape, where the center is grounded in democracy but the two extremes tend to fly off into authoritarianism. The Wikipedia people were nice enough to include Eysenck's diagram there, and you can easily superimpose a U-shaped parabola over his five points.

You are misusing the term 'fascism,' though. A lot of people do it, but when you use fascism to mean all of authoritarianism, you strip us of the ability to talk about the specific type of extreme-right, ultranationalistic Mussolini-style fascism, which is the biggest threat to our democracy right now, and has its own characteristics and symptoms that don't always apply to, say, authoritarian Communism. So, while the dictators do historically sprout from both sides, fascism specifically is always and exclusively from the far right.

 

[Oddball]

She was ignorant and naïve, but that was no reason to shoot her.

She failed to adhere to a direct legal command from a law enforcement officer. Multiple times. It was a good shoot.

There was no command, she was shot in cold blood.

 

[Oddball]

Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.

No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.

The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.

Wrong.
Any time you don't have an organized government to defend rights, then whomever can buy the most mercenaries will always win, take over, and create a dictatorship.
Anarchy is never an option.
The wealthy elite just will kill you one at time.
The only way any society can have freedom is from organization collectively.
You just have to have a good constitution so that it remains a democratic republic instead of being taken over by any small group.
You need it to remain truly collective.

I'm telling you what the spectrum IS, I don't need you try and explain your opinions to me.

I have training in political science, and you guys are both intelligent, and some of this forum's best posters.

You are both right.

The problem with a topic like political science, is the belief that there is a "right" or a "wrong," when it is all up to theory and interpretation. There are many charts, graphs, and ways to parse the administration and ruling of human society. A person can look at this topic from many different angels, and pundits usually do depending on the particular interest they are trying to push.

Political spectrum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A lot of the confusion over what is "left vs. right" or liberal vs. authoritarian comes down to folks confusing economics with politics.

The folks that lean left, more than right, have a tendency to do this more often. Economics, to individualists, are a completely different topic than politics. While those on the left believe economics is part of running a state.

. . . and then there is the question of state control. One can have public/private partnerships, very little state control, which is a fascistic economic model. That is the nature of Dirigisme. Yet? The nationalistic trimmings might not be there. This is why folks that are attached to the DNC are so very little aware of why their party is actually more fascistic in nature than the GOP. While the GOP tends more toward the demagoguery, and nationalistic exclusivity of fascism, like the religion and hyper-patriotism. . . it doesn't, and hasn't been engaging in, (or at least not since GW Bush and his gang of fear mongers after 9/11) in trying to close down society like the people in the CFR, Atlantic Council, and the DNC and silicon valley have been doing.

The ten steps​

Wolf outlines ten steps that "closing societies" — such as Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, and Stalin's Russia — have historically followed. These steps, Wolf claims, are being observed in America now.

The steps are:

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
2. Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
3. Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
4. Set up an internal surveillance system.
5. Infiltrate and harass citizens' groups.
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
7. Target key individuals.
8. Control the press.
9. Cast criticism as espionage and dissent as treason.
10. Subvert the rule of law.[3]

The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What all Americans regard as fascism? That is a closed society. When it comes, it will be BOTH parties that do it to us.

I am sure if you asked them, most Americans would not be willing to give up their civil rights and civil liberties guaranteed in the bill of rights, even if conservative government outsourced the entire running of the federal bureaucracy to private globalists corporations, which do not have to uphold US citizen bill of rights, anymore than Facebook or Twitter are guaranteeing free-speech.

What happens when they outsource police protection. . . do citizens still have the right to assembly and to own firearms? Or do they have to sign TOS and EULA for that then?

TOS and EULA for our BILL of Rights? Is that where American Fascism is headed?

I agree with you about all the different spectrums. Any one us can draw any binary choice as a spectrum, and political scientists often do. The main one used in this culture is the classic left (believing in absolute equality for everyone) and right (believing in intrinsic inequality, whether due to demographics or contribution). I like to either describe it as having a U-shape, where the center is grounded in democracy but the two extremes tend to fly off into authoritarianism. The Wikipedia people were nice enough to include Eysenck's diagram there, and you can easily superimpose a U-shaped parabola over his five points.

You are misusing the term 'fascism,' though. A lot of people do it, but when you use fascism to mean all of authoritarianism, you strip us of the ability to talk about the specific type of extreme-right, ultranationalistic Mussolini-style fascism, which is the biggest threat to our democracy right now, and has its own characteristics and symptoms that don't always apply to, say, authoritarian Communism. So, while the dictators do historically sprout from both sides, fascism specifically is always and exclusively from the far right.

Mighty wordy way to invoke the no true Scotsman fallacy.

 

[StormAl]

Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

Unfortunately fascism has control of the D Party too. Old Joe is one at heart.

if you define F only as Big Government

F is far more than that, and the classic F party is GOP today

 

[Pellinore]

Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.

No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.

The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.

Wrong.
Any time you don't have an organized government to defend rights, then whomever can buy the most mercenaries will always win, take over, and create a dictatorship.
Anarchy is never an option.
The wealthy elite just will kill you one at time.
The only way any society can have freedom is from organization collectively.
You just have to have a good constitution so that it remains a democratic republic instead of being taken over by any small group.
You need it to remain truly collective.

I'm telling you what the spectrum IS, I don't need you try and explain your opinions to me.

I have training in political science, and you guys are both intelligent, and some of this forum's best posters.

You are both right.

The problem with a topic like political science, is the belief that there is a "right" or a "wrong," when it is all up to theory and interpretation. There are many charts, graphs, and ways to parse the administration and ruling of human society. A person can look at this topic from many different angels, and pundits usually do depending on the particular interest they are trying to push.

Political spectrum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A lot of the confusion over what is "left vs. right" or liberal vs. authoritarian comes down to folks confusing economics with politics.

The folks that lean left, more than right, have a tendency to do this more often. Economics, to individualists, are a completely different topic than politics. While those on the left believe economics is part of running a state.

. . . and then there is the question of state control. One can have public/private partnerships, very little state control, which is a fascistic economic model. That is the nature of Dirigisme. Yet? The nationalistic trimmings might not be there. This is why folks that are attached to the DNC are so very little aware of why their party is actually more fascistic in nature than the GOP. While the GOP tends more toward the demagoguery, and nationalistic exclusivity of fascism, like the religion and hyper-patriotism. . . it doesn't, and hasn't been engaging in, (or at least not since GW Bush and his gang of fear mongers after 9/11) in trying to close down society like the people in the CFR, Atlantic Council, and the DNC and silicon valley have been doing.

The ten steps​

Wolf outlines ten steps that "closing societies" — such as Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, and Stalin's Russia — have historically followed. These steps, Wolf claims, are being observed in America now.

The steps are:

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
2. Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
3. Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
4. Set up an internal surveillance system.
5. Infiltrate and harass citizens' groups.
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
7. Target key individuals.
8. Control the press.
9. Cast criticism as espionage and dissent as treason.
10. Subvert the rule of law.[3]

The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What all Americans regard as fascism? That is a closed society. When it comes, it will be BOTH parties that do it to us.

I am sure if you asked them, most Americans would not be willing to give up their civil rights and civil liberties guaranteed in the bill of rights, even if conservative government outsourced the entire running of the federal bureaucracy to private globalists corporations, which do not have to uphold US citizen bill of rights, anymore than Facebook or Twitter are guaranteeing free-speech.

What happens when they outsource police protection. . . do citizens still have the right to assembly and to own firearms? Or do they have to sign TOS and EULA for that then?

TOS and EULA for our BILL of Rights? Is that where American Fascism is headed?

I agree with you about all the different spectrums. Any one us can draw any binary choice as a spectrum, and political scientists often do. The main one used in this culture is the classic left (believing in absolute equality for everyone) and right (believing in intrinsic inequality, whether due to demographics or contribution). I like to either describe it as having a U-shape, where the center is grounded in democracy but the two extremes tend to fly off into authoritarianism. The Wikipedia people were nice enough to include Eysenck's diagram there, and you can easily superimpose a U-shaped parabola over his five points.

You are misusing the term 'fascism,' though. A lot of people do it, but when you use fascism to mean all of authoritarianism, you strip us of the ability to talk about the specific type of extreme-right, ultranationalistic Mussolini-style fascism, which is the biggest threat to our democracy right now, and has its own characteristics and symptoms that don't always apply to, say, authoritarian Communism. So, while the dictators do historically sprout from both sides, fascism specifically is always and exclusively from the far right.

Mighty wordy way to invoke the no true Scotsman fallacy.

Interesting choice, since the idea of deciding who is a TRUE countryman is vital to actual fascism.

But I can see why you would mistake it for an appeal to purity, but it isn't. Political science is a science, and like all others, it has its own terms so that people can discuss the ideas from common reference. If we were discussing sports, but I kept using "basketball" to refer to any ball game, I would expect that someone would let me know the difference. Same thing.

 

[StormAl]

View attachment 488901

The fascists' moved into the Capitol on the 6th of January 2021, then they murdered an unarmed female protestor, when they started erecting fences and brought in more troops than stationed in Afghanistan.

Was it the little American flag she was carrying that frightened them?

*****SMILE*****

The wench died committing and crime like the criminal she is.

As did the idiot Floyd!

Floyd died incapacitated on the ground, handcuffed, with Chauvin's knee on his throat for almost ten minutes.

Ashlii died climbing through a window screaming she was going to kill Pence

 

[Crepitus]

Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

and yet its the democrat left currently trying to control everything that people do,,,

your outrage is misdirected,,,

In what way?

 

[StormAl]

Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

and yet its the democrat left currently trying to control everything that people do,,,

your outrage is misdirected,,,

O. P. Is a lying sack of anti American shit. Its not misdirected, its a flat out lie. And the O. P. Is a OP.

The OP is accurate, and the naysayers know it is accurate.

 

[j-mac]

View attachment 488901

The fascists' moved into the Capitol on the 6th of January 2021, then they murdered an unarmed female protestor, when they started erecting fences and brought in more troops than stationed in Afghanistan.

Was it the little American flag she was carrying that frightened them?

*****SMILE*****

The wench died committing and crime like the criminal she is.

And her crime?

 

[MisterBeale]

Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.

No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.

The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.

Wrong.
Any time you don't have an organized government to defend rights, then whomever can buy the most mercenaries will always win, take over, and create a dictatorship.
Anarchy is never an option.
The wealthy elite just will kill you one at time.
The only way any society can have freedom is from organization collectively.
You just have to have a good constitution so that it remains a democratic republic instead of being taken over by any small group.
You need it to remain truly collective.

I'm telling you what the spectrum IS, I don't need you try and explain your opinions to me.

I have training in political science, and you guys are both intelligent, and some of this forum's best posters.

You are both right.

The problem with a topic like political science, is the belief that there is a "right" or a "wrong," when it is all up to theory and interpretation. There are many charts, graphs, and ways to parse the administration and ruling of human society. A person can look at this topic from many different angels, and pundits usually do depending on the particular interest they are trying to push.

Political spectrum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A lot of the confusion over what is "left vs. right" or liberal vs. authoritarian comes down to folks confusing economics with politics.

The folks that lean left, more than right, have a tendency to do this more often. Economics, to individualists, are a completely different topic than politics. While those on the left believe economics is part of running a state.

. . . and then there is the question of state control. One can have public/private partnerships, very little state control, which is a fascistic economic model. That is the nature of Dirigisme. Yet? The nationalistic trimmings might not be there. This is why folks that are attached to the DNC are so very little aware of why their party is actually more fascistic in nature than the GOP. While the GOP tends more toward the demagoguery, and nationalistic exclusivity of fascism, like the religion and hyper-patriotism. . . it doesn't, and hasn't been engaging in, (or at least not since GW Bush and his gang of fear mongers after 9/11) in trying to close down society like the people in the CFR, Atlantic Council, and the DNC and silicon valley have been doing.

The ten steps​

Wolf outlines ten steps that "closing societies" — such as Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, and Stalin's Russia — have historically followed. These steps, Wolf claims, are being observed in America now.

The steps are:

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
2. Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
3. Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
4. Set up an internal surveillance system.
5. Infiltrate and harass citizens' groups.
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
7. Target key individuals.
8. Control the press.
9. Cast criticism as espionage and dissent as treason.
10. Subvert the rule of law.[3]

The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What all Americans regard as fascism? That is a closed society. When it comes, it will be BOTH parties that do it to us.

I am sure if you asked them, most Americans would not be willing to give up their civil rights and civil liberties guaranteed in the bill of rights, even if conservative government outsourced the entire running of the federal bureaucracy to private globalists corporations, which do not have to uphold US citizen bill of rights, anymore than Facebook or Twitter are guaranteeing free-speech.

What happens when they outsource police protection. . . do citizens still have the right to assembly and to own firearms? Or do they have to sign TOS and EULA for that then?

TOS and EULA for our BILL of Rights? Is that where American Fascism is headed?

I agree with you about all the different spectrums. Any one us can draw any binary choice as a spectrum, and political scientists often do. The main one used in this culture is the classic left (believing in absolute equality for everyone) and right (believing in intrinsic inequality, whether due to demographics or contribution). I like to either describe it as having a U-shape, where the center is grounded in democracy but the two extremes tend to fly off into authoritarianism. The Wikipedia people were nice enough to include Eysenck's diagram there, and you can easily superimpose a U-shaped parabola over his five points.

You are misusing the term 'fascism,' though. A lot of people do it, but when you use fascism to mean all of authoritarianism, you strip us of the ability to talk about the specific type of extreme-right, ultranationalistic Mussolini-style fascism, which is the biggest threat to our democracy right now, and has its own characteristics and symptoms that don't always apply to, say, authoritarian Communism. So, while the dictators do historically sprout from both sides, fascism specifically is always and exclusively from the far right.

Okaayyyy. And?

Qualitatively, you act like there is some sort of difference though?

If you are aware of what is really behind both? IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.

The reason I glossed over it? Is it makes no difference to me whether my slave master of the oligarchical collectivists is disguised as representing the people, or representing the global corporate and banking cabal.

I'm still a slave, disposable chattel, am I not?

Why the Hammer and Sickle Should Be Treated Like the Swastika​

Why do we treat two equally bloody ideologies in such starkly different ways?

Why the Hammer and Sickle Should Be Treated Like the Swastika

To continue advocating communism despite its dismal track record is neither well-intentioned nor misguided; it is a deliberate attempt to push a provably dangerous ideology.

fee.org

. . . and? I DID ADDRESS that point.

". . . and then there is the question of state control. One can have public/private partnerships, very little state control, which is a fascistic economic model. That is the nature of Dirigisme. Yet? The nationalistic trimmings might not be there. This is why folks that are attached to the DNC are so very little aware of why their party is actually more fascistic in nature than the GOP. While the GOP tends more toward the demagoguery, and nationalistic exclusivity of fascism, like the religion and hyper-patriotism. . . it doesn't, and hasn't been engaging in, (or at least not since GW Bush and his gang of fear mongers after 9/11) in trying to close down society like the people in the CFR, Atlantic Council, and the DNC and silicon valley have been doing."

(Which is to say, the GOP has had the appearance of fascism, but since GW Bush? It's policies have not been openly fascistic in nature, not more so than the DNC. The DNC has supported global-Cap's move toward closing down society more than the right.)

 

[StormAl]

Collectivism? Collectivism? Anyone who says that governmental and organizational and familial increasingly complex connections are unnecessary are being Daniel Boones today. Screw 'em.

 

[boedicca]

Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

You are correct: Fascism has come to America. But it is the Leftwing that is promoting it via their Woketopian Totalitarianism and Fucktard Corporatist economic policies.

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."

- Vladimir Lenin

 

[StormAl]

Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

You are correct: Fascism has come to America. But it is the Leftwing that is promoting it via their Woketopian Totalitarianism and Fucktard Corporatist economic policies.

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."

- Vladimir Lenin

Don't be loony. Fascism America-style is on your side of the fence. If they keep up the violence, the military and LEO and their neighbors are going to hurt and or kill them.

 

[Oddball]

Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.

No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.

The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.

Wrong.
Any time you don't have an organized government to defend rights, then whomever can buy the most mercenaries will always win, take over, and create a dictatorship.
Anarchy is never an option.
The wealthy elite just will kill you one at time.
The only way any society can have freedom is from organization collectively.
You just have to have a good constitution so that it remains a democratic republic instead of being taken over by any small group.
You need it to remain truly collective.

I'm telling you what the spectrum IS, I don't need you try and explain your opinions to me.

I have training in political science, and you guys are both intelligent, and some of this forum's best posters.

You are both right.

The problem with a topic like political science, is the belief that there is a "right" or a "wrong," when it is all up to theory and interpretation. There are many charts, graphs, and ways to parse the administration and ruling of human society. A person can look at this topic from many different angels, and pundits usually do depending on the particular interest they are trying to push.

Political spectrum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A lot of the confusion over what is "left vs. right" or liberal vs. authoritarian comes down to folks confusing economics with politics.

The folks that lean left, more than right, have a tendency to do this more often. Economics, to individualists, are a completely different topic than politics. While those on the left believe economics is part of running a state.

. . . and then there is the question of state control. One can have public/private partnerships, very little state control, which is a fascistic economic model. That is the nature of Dirigisme. Yet? The nationalistic trimmings might not be there. This is why folks that are attached to the DNC are so very little aware of why their party is actually more fascistic in nature than the GOP. While the GOP tends more toward the demagoguery, and nationalistic exclusivity of fascism, like the religion and hyper-patriotism. . . it doesn't, and hasn't been engaging in, (or at least not since GW Bush and his gang of fear mongers after 9/11) in trying to close down society like the people in the CFR, Atlantic Council, and the DNC and silicon valley have been doing.

The ten steps​

Wolf outlines ten steps that "closing societies" — such as Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, and Stalin's Russia — have historically followed. These steps, Wolf claims, are being observed in America now.

The steps are:

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
2. Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
3. Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
4. Set up an internal surveillance system.
5. Infiltrate and harass citizens' groups.
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
7. Target key individuals.
8. Control the press.
9. Cast criticism as espionage and dissent as treason.
10. Subvert the rule of law.[3]

The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What all Americans regard as fascism? That is a closed society. When it comes, it will be BOTH parties that do it to us.

I am sure if you asked them, most Americans would not be willing to give up their civil rights and civil liberties guaranteed in the bill of rights, even if conservative government outsourced the entire running of the federal bureaucracy to private globalists corporations, which do not have to uphold US citizen bill of rights, anymore than Facebook or Twitter are guaranteeing free-speech.

What happens when they outsource police protection. . . do citizens still have the right to assembly and to own firearms? Or do they have to sign TOS and EULA for that then?

TOS and EULA for our BILL of Rights? Is that where American Fascism is headed?

I agree with you about all the different spectrums. Any one us can draw any binary choice as a spectrum, and political scientists often do. The main one used in this culture is the classic left (believing in absolute equality for everyone) and right (believing in intrinsic inequality, whether due to demographics or contribution). I like to either describe it as having a U-shape, where the center is grounded in democracy but the two extremes tend to fly off into authoritarianism. The Wikipedia people were nice enough to include Eysenck's diagram there, and you can easily superimpose a U-shaped parabola over his five points.

You are misusing the term 'fascism,' though. A lot of people do it, but when you use fascism to mean all of authoritarianism, you strip us of the ability to talk about the specific type of extreme-right, ultranationalistic Mussolini-style fascism, which is the biggest threat to our democracy right now, and has its own characteristics and symptoms that don't always apply to, say, authoritarian Communism. So, while the dictators do historically sprout from both sides, fascism specifically is always and exclusively from the far right.

Mighty wordy way to invoke the no true Scotsman fallacy.

Interesting choice, since the idea of deciding who is a TRUE countryman is vital to actual fascism.

But I can see why you would mistake it for an appeal to purity, but it isn't. Political science is a science, and like all others, it has its own terms so that people can discuss the ideas from common reference. If we were discussing sports, but I kept using "basketball" to refer to any ball game, I would expect that someone would let me know the difference. Same thing.

At its core, fascism is the merging of State and corporations....We're living in a defacto fascist state.

 

[Oddball]

Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

You are correct: Fascism has come to America. But it is the Leftwing that is promoting it via their Woketopian Totalitarianism and Fucktard Corporatist economic policies.

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."

- Vladimir Lenin

Don't be loony. Fascism America-style is on your side of the fence. If they keep up the violence, the military and LEO and their neighbors are going to hurt and or kill them.

You know all about loony, Starkey.