Fascism comes to America yet again

She was ignorant and naïve, but that was no reason to shoot her.
She failed to adhere to a direct legal command from a law enforcement officer. Multiple times. It was a good shoot.

First of all, there is no audio that indicates the cop ever said a thing at all, and lack of compliance is NEVER a valid reason to shoot.
You seem to think that law enforcement has some exceptional authority, and they actually do not.
Police have no more authority to shoot than anyone does.
They can only shoot in defense from a visible lethal threat.
Actually, you can both review audio and frame by frame interactions here;



I agree it is all very suspicious.
No one acted as I would have acted in any of those situations.
Especially since the cop who shot fired at where the other 2 cops were only seconds before.
And a normal person would have fired a warning shot instead of a deadly close range neck shot.
 
Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

There is no far right. You nuts have gone so far left it just seems that way to you.

Then who were the imperialists, colonialists, slaver owners, wealthy elite, corporation owners, bankers, etc?
The left has always been union organizers, populists, etc.
What on Earth are you babbling about?
 
Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.
Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.





No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.






The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.
 
Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.
It's been building since the Reagan Administration did away with the fairness doctrine which led to the rise of RW talk radio. For years, RW talk radio was like a group of underground fifth columnists which acted to subvert Democrats first and Republicans later on. The ginned up the anger in rural America to such an extent that even conservative leaders found themselves run out of office, even in a primary election.

For a few years, conservatives like Gingrich thought they could use talk radio, and they did just that. But they had unleashed a beast that they could no longer control by the time Obama was elected. I saw how badly conservatives reacted when Clinton was elected, but it paled in comparison to the reaction to the election of Obama,

Then a little over 10 years ago, three things happened in relatively quick succession. The Tea Party ascendancy in 2010, Trump's Birtherism charges in 2011, and Mitt Romney's defeat to Obama's reelection bid in 2012.

That's when the stage was set for what would come next even though nobody knew it at the time.
 
Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.

There is no far right. You nuts have gone so far left it just seems that way to you.

Then who were the imperialists, colonialists, slaver owners, wealthy elite, corporation owners, bankers, etc?
The left has always been union organizers, populists, etc.
What on Earth are you babbling about?

There has always been a disparity and conflict between the wealthy elite and the majority working poor.
They sometimes switch in history.
But ever since around 1880 or so, the right wing has been the wealthy elite, republicans.
People like Henry Ford and Paul Getty.
The left wing has always been the liberal, progressive, populists like La Follette, Kennedy, MLK Jr., etc.
 
Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.
Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.





No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.
 
Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.
Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.





No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.






The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.

Wrong.
Any time you don't have an organized government to defend rights, then whomever can buy the most mercenaries will always win, take over, and create a dictatorship.
Anarchy is never an option.
The wealthy elite just will kill you one at time.
The only way any society can have freedom is from organization collectively.
You just have to have a good constitution so that it remains a democratic republic instead of being taken over by any small group.
You need it to remain truly collective.
 
Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.
Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.





No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.


Basically I think I agree.
Like I used to think I was a leftist which meant democrat, but then LBJ committed us to imperialism and colonialism in Vietnam.
I used to think republicans were the threatening right wing bankers, but then the Clintons pushed illegal federal gun control, illegal Mideast wars, etc.
So there only seems to really be a lot of opportunism.
However, "follow the money" likely is still accurate, and it is still the wealthy elite we have to fear.
 
Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.
Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.





No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.






The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.

Wrong.
Any time you don't have an organized government to defend rights, then whomever can buy the most mercenaries will always win, take over, and create a dictatorship.
Anarchy is never an option.
The wealthy elite just will kill you one at time.
The only way any society can have freedom is from organization collectively.
You just have to have a good constitution so that it remains a democratic republic instead of being taken over by any small group.
You need it to remain truly collective.





I'm telling you what the spectrum IS, I don't need you try and explain your opinions to me.
 
Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.
Unfortunately fascism has control of the D Party too. Old Joe is one at heart.
 
Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.
Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.





No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.






The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.

Wrong.
Any time you don't have an organized government to defend rights, then whomever can buy the most mercenaries will always win, take over, and create a dictatorship.
Anarchy is never an option.
The wealthy elite just will kill you one at time.
The only way any society can have freedom is from organization collectively.
You just have to have a good constitution so that it remains a democratic republic instead of being taken over by any small group.
You need it to remain truly collective.





I'm telling you what the spectrum IS, I don't need you try and explain your opinions to me.
I have training in political science, and you guys are both intelligent, and some of this forum's best posters.

You are both right.

The problem with a topic like political science, is the belief that there is a "right" or a "wrong," when it is all up to theory and interpretation. There are many charts, graphs, and ways to parse the administration and ruling of human society. A person can look at this topic from many different angels, and pundits usually do depending on the particular interest they are trying to push.


A lot of the confusion over what is "left vs. right" or liberal vs. authoritarian comes down to folks confusing economics with politics.

The folks that lean left, more than right, have a tendency to do this more often. Economics, to individualists, are a completely different topic than politics. While those on the left believe economics is part of running a state.

. . . and then there is the question of state control. One can have public/private partnerships, very little state control, which is a fascistic economic model. That is the nature of Dirigisme. Yet? The nationalistic trimmings might not be there. This is why folks that are attached to the DNC are so very little aware of why their party is actually more fascistic in nature than the GOP. While the GOP tends more toward the demagoguery, and nationalistic exclusivity of fascism, like the religion and hyper-patriotism. . . it doesn't, and hasn't been engaging in, (or at least not since GW Bush and his gang of fear mongers after 9/11) in trying to close down society like the people in the CFR, Atlantic Council, and the DNC and silicon valley have been doing.

The ten steps​

Wolf outlines ten steps that "closing societies" — such as Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, and Stalin's Russia — have historically followed. These steps, Wolf claims, are being observed in America now.

The steps are:

  1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
  2. Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
  3. Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
  4. Set up an internal surveillance system.
  5. Infiltrate and harass citizens' groups.
  6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
  7. Target key individuals.
  8. Control the press.
  9. Cast criticism as espionage and dissent as treason.
  10. Subvert the rule of law.[3]

What all Americans regard as fascism? That is a closed society. When it comes, it will be BOTH parties that do it to us.

I am sure if you asked them, most Americans would not be willing to give up their civil rights and civil liberties guaranteed in the bill of rights, even if conservative government outsourced the entire running of the federal bureaucracy to private globalists corporations, which do not have to uphold US citizen bill of rights, anymore than Facebook or Twitter are guaranteeing free-speech.

What happens when they outsource police protection. . . do citizens still have the right to assembly and to own firearms? Or do they have to sign TOS and EULA for that then?

TOS and EULA for our BILL of Rights? Is that where American Fascism is headed? :dunno:
 
She was ignorant and naïve, but that was no reason to shoot her.
She failed to adhere to a direct legal command from a law enforcement officer. Multiple times. It was a good shoot.
Similar situation when Breanna Taylor's pimp started shooting through the door when the police identified themselves. The police were well within their rights to shoot back
 
Similar situation when Breanna Taylor's pimp started shooting through the door when the police identified themselves. The police were well within their rights to shoot back
Except those rogue cops didn't say a word before barging in like criminals in the night.

It would have been fair for more than a few of them to loose their lives pulling that stupid stunt.
 
Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.
Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.





No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.






The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.

Wrong.
Any time you don't have an organized government to defend rights, then whomever can buy the most mercenaries will always win, take over, and create a dictatorship.
Anarchy is never an option.
The wealthy elite just will kill you one at time.
The only way any society can have freedom is from organization collectively.
You just have to have a good constitution so that it remains a democratic republic instead of being taken over by any small group.
You need it to remain truly collective.





I'm telling you what the spectrum IS, I don't need you try and explain your opinions to me.
I have training in political science, and you guys are both intelligent, and some of this forum's best posters.

You are both right.

The problem with a topic like political science, is the belief that there is a "right" or a "wrong," when it is all up to theory and interpretation. There are many charts, graphs, and ways to parse the administration and ruling of human society. A person can look at this topic from many different angels, and pundits usually do depending on the particular interest they are trying to push.


A lot of the confusion over what is "left vs. right" or liberal vs. authoritarian comes down to folks confusing economics with politics.

The folks that lean left, more than right, have a tendency to do this more often. Economics, to individualists, are a completely different topic than politics. While those on the left believe economics is part of running a state.

. . . and then there is the question of state control. One can have public/private partnerships, very little state control, which is a fascistic economic model. That is the nature of Dirigisme. Yet? The nationalistic trimmings might not be there. This is why folks that are attached to the DNC are so very little aware of why their party is actually more fascistic in nature than the GOP. While the GOP tends more toward the demagoguery, and nationalistic exclusivity of fascism, like the religion and hyper-patriotism. . . it doesn't, and hasn't been engaging in, (or at least not since GW Bush and his gang of fear mongers after 9/11) in trying to close down society like the people in the CFR, Atlantic Council, and the DNC and silicon valley have been doing.

The ten steps​

Wolf outlines ten steps that "closing societies" — such as Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, and Stalin's Russia — have historically followed. These steps, Wolf claims, are being observed in America now.

The steps are:

  1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
  2. Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
  3. Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
  4. Set up an internal surveillance system.
  5. Infiltrate and harass citizens' groups.
  6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
  7. Target key individuals.
  8. Control the press.
  9. Cast criticism as espionage and dissent as treason.
  10. Subvert the rule of law.[3]

What all Americans regard as fascism? That is a closed society. When it comes, it will be BOTH parties that do it to us.

I am sure if you asked them, most Americans would not be willing to give up their civil rights and civil liberties guaranteed in the bill of rights, even if conservative government outsourced the entire running of the federal bureaucracy to private globalists corporations, which do not have to uphold US citizen bill of rights, anymore than Facebook or Twitter are guaranteeing free-speech.

What happens when they outsource police protection. . . do citizens still have the right to assembly and to own firearms? Or do they have to sign TOS and EULA for that then?

TOS and EULA for our BILL of Rights? Is that where American Fascism is headed? :dunno:
Most of Wolf’s Ten Steps are already implemented by our federal government, but it seems most Americans are oblivious. Some of the steps have been in place for decades.
 
Similar situation when Breanna Taylor's pimp started shooting through the door when the police identified themselves. The police were well within their rights to shoot back
Except those rogue cops didn't say a word before barging in like criminals in the night.

It would have been fair for more than a few of them to loose their lives pulling that stupid stunt.
According to eyewitnesses, the po-leece identified theyselves. Maybe you know better
 
According to eyewitnesses, the po-leece identified theyselves. Maybe you know better
No, not one eyewitness did that. In fact they all said they didn't hear anything from the police.

One was forced to lie, but he recanted.

Please post your source partisan liar.
 
According to eyewitnesses, the po-leece identified theyselves. Maybe you know better
No, not one eyewitness did that. In fact they all said they didn't hear anything from the police.

One was forced to lie, but he recanted.

Please post your source partisan liar.
No knock warrant was issued. It’s unbelievable that in the land of the free such tyranny is allowed. Yet another example of how our justice system is a bad joke and terribly unjust.
Breonna Taylor's death: A push to limit no-knock warrants
 
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The fascists' moved into the Capitol on the 6th of January 2021, then they murdered an unarmed female protestor, when they started erecting fences and brought in more troops than stationed in Afghanistan.

Was it the little American flag she was carrying that frightened them?

*****SMILE*****



:)

The wench died committing and crime like the criminal she is.

We'll be sure to quote you on this going forward...mmmkay, pumpkin?
 

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