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The American fascists, such as JWBooth, who engages in ad hom because he has a losing hand, have been here since the Bund. They hated the 'jew-lover' Roosevelt and loved their Hitler. JW loves his Trump.
I dont know who this JW guy is or care.

You are proving my point however you simply misuse the term fascist to label anyone you do not like.
Fascist perfectly describes Trump: ultranationalist, populist, ethnocentric, racism, sexist, homophobic, big business over worker, government over big business, anti democracy. That's you.
No it does not.

It is not trump or me. you are ignorant in the extreme.

He is as fascist as Pelosi or Biden or Obama or any other dem or republican politician all of whom fit yoyur description.

You havelame and uneducated opinion and have proven that you do not have evidence or fact
Yes, it is View attachment 489459 and View attachment 489460 and all who believe like them and you. You are fascists, and all of America, including you, know it.
No one beieves that and you are a liar.

You have not and cannot back up your bullshit claim with evidence AND YOU KNOW THAT
Yeah, if you are a Trump supporter, you are a fascist.
 

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DIRECTLY SHOWED NAZISM AS MATCHING THE RIGHT. Its right there, in the picture.
What tenet of Nazism is a tenet of the modern, American, right?
Essentially none. Then again, I am the one stating the graph that makes that connection is rubbish. It is the graph that merges the Nazi and republican symbols.
 

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So there is no right wing in this nation.
Of course there is a "right" in the U.S. They support government but a LIMITED government. They also support free-market capitalism that is free of government interference. They support freedom of speech and religion and freedom to assemble and the freedom to own and bear arms.
The graph puts Nazis and the Republican party together. Along with the Democrats. By definition, it would mean there is no 'right' in the US. So you disagree with the asinine linear graph as well then?
 

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Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.
Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.


It shows Natzism AND Republicans on the left, occupying the same side


No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.






The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.
No, its not because something as complex as a political system cannot be boiled down to a left/right duopoly. There are right wing authoritarians and there are left wing authoritarians.

The grid is a much more accurate picture of politics pitting authoritarians/anarchists as opposites and left/right as opposites but still massively over simplified. The right certainly does not represent something closer to anarchy than the left.
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Correct. A total lack of government is the true definition of far-right ideology. A "sovereign citizen" is an example of a far-right person.
False.

What you state means there is no right at all in this country and that the left and right we do have occupy the SAME SPOT on the political spectrum. Just like that silly ass image oddball put up, it places the left and right on the same point.

What does that model tell you then? Nothing at all. That is what happens when you distill a host of complex ideologies into a one dimensional spectrum. Considering that such ideologies cover a massive swath of life, not just governance but things like economics, it makes the model useless.

It is not useful as there is a massive differences in ideologies that would simply be nonexistent on something as simple as a line.
No, far right is anarchy - the peaceful anarchy that Rand and Rothbart wrote extensively about, not the "anarchy" being carried out today by murderous commie lunatics....The far left is authoritarianism of all brands....

Trying to parse out whether fascism, communism, et al. are of any significant difference, is no more a cerebral exercise than contemplating the "differences" between Coke and cultists.


Yup. Mental masturbation at its finest.
That is what your silly line graph is, mental masterbation since it has been pointed out that it does not actually bring any meaning whatsoever to the table. It actually removes it.

I repeat, the image that was given, the one you liked

DIRECTLY SHOWED NAZISM AS MATCHING THE RIGHT. Its right there, in the picture.

Do you now disagree with that image?






Ummmm, nooo. The graph that I liked shows nazism is on the LEFT.
Yes, on the left with the Republicans, on the left, the democrats, also on the left in the same spot is Hitler/Mao/Stalin and on and on. The fact is Nazism and Mao are not the same political ideology.

If you support government control of business. You are a Nazi. If you support government control of speech. You are a Nazi. If you support government control of your medical care with no choice of a free market solution. You are a Nazi. If you support government control of your childrens upbringing. You are a Nazi.

You will notice that NONE of us support ANY of those things.
If you support government control of business you support ethnic cleansing?

I doubt it but that alone should point out the glaring, massive, asinine hole in your 2 dimensional thinking, Being wrong does not make one a Nazi.
 

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The American fascists, such as JWBooth, who engages in ad hom because he has a losing hand, have been here since the Bund. They hated the 'jew-lover' Roosevelt and loved their Hitler. JW loves his Trump.
I dont know who this JW guy is or care.

You are proving my point however you simply misuse the term fascist to label anyone you do not like.
Fascist perfectly describes Trump: ultranationalist, populist, ethnocentric, racism, sexist, homophobic, big business over worker, government over big business, anti democracy. That's you.
No it does not.

It is not trump or me. you are ignorant in the extreme.

He is as fascist as Pelosi or Biden or Obama or any other dem or republican politician all of whom fit yoyur description.

You havelame and uneducated opinion and have proven that you do not have evidence or fact
Yes, it is View attachment 489459 and View attachment 489460 and all who believe like them and you. You are fascists, and all of America, including you, know it.
No one beieves that and you are a liar.

You have not and cannot back up your bullshit claim with evidence AND YOU KNOW THAT
Yeah, if you are a Trump supporter, you are a fascist.
You can just as easily state if you are a Biden supporter you are a fascist.

It is empty and vapid. It is crystal clear that not all Trump supporters are fascist. Not even a large or significant portion are. This is an example of WHY 2 dimensional thinking is stupid, it only serves the purpose of making those that disagree with you an enemy to be eliminated rather than an interlocular that needs to be engaged.

Interestingly enough, this is one of the cornerstones of all authoritarian regimes. Universally, on the left and the right, authoritarians create false enemies to secure control.
 

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The American fascists, such as JWBooth, who engages in ad hom because he has a losing hand, have been here since the Bund. They hated the 'jew-lover' Roosevelt and loved their Hitler. JW loves his Trump.
I dont know who this JW guy is or care.

You are proving my point however you simply misuse the term fascist to label anyone you do not like.
Fascist perfectly describes Trump: ultranationalist, populist, ethnocentric, racism, sexist, homophobic, big business over worker, government over big business, anti democracy. That's you.
No it does not.

It is not trump or me. you are ignorant in the extreme.

He is as fascist as Pelosi or Biden or Obama or any other dem or republican politician all of whom fit yoyur description.

You havelame and uneducated opinion and have proven that you do not have evidence or fact
Yes, it is View attachment 489459 and View attachment 489460 and all who believe like them and you. You are fascists, and all of America, including you, know it.
No one beieves that and you are a liar.

You have not and cannot back up your bullshit claim with evidence AND YOU KNOW THAT
Yeah, if you are a Trump supporter, you are a fascist.
If you are not a trump supporter you are a nazi.

That is how easy it is and just as valid as your claim.

You are goose stepping anti semetic lover of Hitler
 

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"Jews will not replace us" is a chant that I first heard from trump supporters. Anti minority rhetoric is a staple of the extreme right wing on here.

How can you be blind to that ?
What do you expect from a son-of-a-bitch that uses the word "Nazi" in his moniker Tommy?
Its a bit of a clue isnt it ?
Its a relief that he doesnt hate minorities though.
Yes a clue that I like Seinfeld.

You of course are a clueless limey bitch.
But you are the one that cant see anything wrong with the rightwing trash on here ?
No I see left wing trash like you who are hypocrites and ignore the same trash from their own side.
 

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The American fascists, such as JWBooth, who engages in ad hom because he has a losing hand, have been here since the Bund. They hated the 'jew-lover' Roosevelt and loved their Hitler. JW loves his Trump.
I dont know who this JW guy is or care.

You are proving my point however you simply misuse the term fascist to label anyone you do not like.
Fascist perfectly describes Trump: ultranationalist, populist, ethnocentric, racism, sexist, homophobic, big business over worker, government over big business, anti democracy. That's you.
No it does not.

It is not trump or me. you are ignorant in the extreme.

He is as fascist as Pelosi or Biden or Obama or any other dem or republican politician all of whom fit yoyur description.

You havelame and uneducated opinion and have proven that you do not have evidence or fact
Yes, it is View attachment 489459 and View attachment 489460 and all who believe like them and you. You are fascists, and all of America, including you, know it.
No one beieves that and you are a liar.

You have not and cannot back up your bullshit claim with evidence AND YOU KNOW THAT
Already been done, Bill. Read the history of the American Bund and WWII.
Does not support your claim dumbass
 
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The American fascists, such as JWBooth, who engages in ad hom because he has a losing hand, have been here since the Bund. They hated the 'jew-lover' Roosevelt and loved their Hitler. JW loves his Trump.
I dont know who this JW guy is or care.

You are proving my point however you simply misuse the term fascist to label anyone you do not like.
Fascist perfectly describes Trump: ultranationalist, populist, ethnocentric, racism, sexist, homophobic, big business over worker, government over big business, anti democracy. That's you.
No it does not.

It is not trump or me. you are ignorant in the extreme.

He is as fascist as Pelosi or Biden or Obama or any other dem or republican politician all of whom fit yoyur description.

You havelame and uneducated opinion and have proven that you do not have evidence or fact
Yes, it is View attachment 489459 and View attachment 489460 and all who believe like them and you. You are fascists, and all of America, including you, know it.
No one beieves that and you are a liar.

You have not and cannot back up your bullshit claim with evidence AND YOU KNOW THAT
Yeah, if you are a Trump supporter, you are a fascist.
If you are not a trump supporter you are a nazi.

That is how easy it is and just as valid as your claim.

You are goose stepping anti semetic lover of Hitler
See, you just fell over your own logic. The facts support that Trump and his followers are fascistic, and you cannot refute them.
 
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The American fascists, such as JWBooth, who engages in ad hom because he has a losing hand, have been here since the Bund. They hated the 'jew-lover' Roosevelt and loved their Hitler. JW loves his Trump.
I dont know who this JW guy is or care.

You are proving my point however you simply misuse the term fascist to label anyone you do not like.
Fascist perfectly describes Trump: ultranationalist, populist, ethnocentric, racism, sexist, homophobic, big business over worker, government over big business, anti democracy. That's you.
No it does not.

It is not trump or me. you are ignorant in the extreme.

He is as fascist as Pelosi or Biden or Obama or any other dem or republican politician all of whom fit yoyur description.

You havelame and uneducated opinion and have proven that you do not have evidence or fact
Yes, it is View attachment 489459 and View attachment 489460 and all who believe like them and you. You are fascists, and all of America, including you, know it.
No one beieves that and you are a liar.

You have not and cannot back up your bullshit claim with evidence AND YOU KNOW THAT
Already been done, Bill. Read the history of the American Bund and WWII.
Does not support your claim dumbass
Sure does, fascist.
 

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The American fascists, such as JWBooth, who engages in ad hom because he has a losing hand, have been here since the Bund. They hated the 'jew-lover' Roosevelt and loved their Hitler. JW loves his Trump.
I dont know who this JW guy is or care.

You are proving my point however you simply misuse the term fascist to label anyone you do not like.
Fascist perfectly describes Trump: ultranationalist, populist, ethnocentric, racism, sexist, homophobic, big business over worker, government over big business, anti democracy. That's you.
No it does not.

It is not trump or me. you are ignorant in the extreme.

He is as fascist as Pelosi or Biden or Obama or any other dem or republican politician all of whom fit yoyur description.

You havelame and uneducated opinion and have proven that you do not have evidence or fact
Yes, it is View attachment 489459 and View attachment 489460 and all who believe like them and you. You are fascists, and all of America, including you, know it.
No one beieves that and you are a liar.

You have not and cannot back up your bullshit claim with evidence AND YOU KNOW THAT
Yeah, if you are a Trump supporter, you are a fascist.
If you are not a trump supporter you are a nazi.

That is how easy it is and just as valid as your claim.

You are goose stepping anti semetic lover of Hitler
See, you just fell over your own logic. The facts support that Trump and his followers are fascistic, and you cannot refute them.
No the facts do not supprot that and you have not presented any such facts.

Your logic falls apart and is just as easily turned around on you which is what I did.
 

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The American fascists, such as JWBooth, who engages in ad hom because he has a losing hand, have been here since the Bund. They hated the 'jew-lover' Roosevelt and loved their Hitler. JW loves his Trump.
I dont know who this JW guy is or care.

You are proving my point however you simply misuse the term fascist to label anyone you do not like.
Fascist perfectly describes Trump: ultranationalist, populist, ethnocentric, racism, sexist, homophobic, big business over worker, government over big business, anti democracy. That's you.
No it does not.

It is not trump or me. you are ignorant in the extreme.

He is as fascist as Pelosi or Biden or Obama or any other dem or republican politician all of whom fit yoyur description.

You havelame and uneducated opinion and have proven that you do not have evidence or fact
Yes, it is View attachment 489459 and View attachment 489460 and all who believe like them and you. You are fascists, and all of America, including you, know it.
No one beieves that and you are a liar.

You have not and cannot back up your bullshit claim with evidence AND YOU KNOW THAT
Already been done, Bill. Read the history of the American Bund and WWII.
Does not support your claim dumbass
Sure does, fascist.
no it does not you racist.
 

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Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.
Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.


It shows Natzism AND Republicans on the left, occupying the same side


No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.






The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.
No, its not because something as complex as a political system cannot be boiled down to a left/right duopoly. There are right wing authoritarians and there are left wing authoritarians.

The grid is a much more accurate picture of politics pitting authoritarians/anarchists as opposites and left/right as opposites but still massively over simplified. The right certainly does not represent something closer to anarchy than the left.
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Correct. A total lack of government is the true definition of far-right ideology. A "sovereign citizen" is an example of a far-right person.
False.

What you state means there is no right at all in this country and that the left and right we do have occupy the SAME SPOT on the political spectrum. Just like that silly ass image oddball put up, it places the left and right on the same point.

What does that model tell you then? Nothing at all. That is what happens when you distill a host of complex ideologies into a one dimensional spectrum. Considering that such ideologies cover a massive swath of life, not just governance but things like economics, it makes the model useless.

It is not useful as there is a massive differences in ideologies that would simply be nonexistent on something as simple as a line.
No, far right is anarchy - the peaceful anarchy that Rand and Rothbart wrote extensively about, not the "anarchy" being carried out today by murderous commie lunatics....The far left is authoritarianism of all brands....

Trying to parse out whether fascism, communism, et al. are of any significant difference, is no more a cerebral exercise than contemplating the "differences" between Coke and cultists.


Yup. Mental masturbation at its finest.
That is what your silly line graph is, mental masterbation since it has been pointed out that it does not actually bring any meaning whatsoever to the table. It actually removes it.

I repeat, the image that was given, the one you liked

DIRECTLY SHOWED NAZISM AS MATCHING THE RIGHT. Its right there, in the picture.

Do you now disagree with that image?






Ummmm, nooo. The graph that I liked shows nazism is on the LEFT.
Yes, on the left with the Republicans, on the left, the democrats, also on the left in the same spot is Hitler/Mao/Stalin and on and on. The fact is Nazism and Mao are not the same political ideology.

If you support government control of business. You are a Nazi. If you support government control of speech. You are a Nazi. If you support government control of your medical care with no choice of a free market solution. You are a Nazi. If you support government control of your childrens upbringing. You are a Nazi.

You will notice that NONE of us support ANY of those things.
If you support government control of business you support ethnic cleansing?

I doubt it but that alone should point out the glaring, massive, asinine hole in your 2 dimensional thinking, Being wrong does not make one a Nazi.





Yeah, they are. Fundamentally, fascists and Marxists are very close philosophically. Minor differences in how much private property is allowed, but in almost every way they are similar.
 

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Fascists and Communists are similar in that they both are based on dictatorships, but that is like saying that an arsonist and a chef are similar because they both use fire.

Communism wants no one to own anything; fascism wants their people to own everything. Their goals are as different as they can be.

If you all want to call Antifa a bunch of violent, anti-American pinko Commies who beat old people up in the street, that's fine. Make that argument. But pretending that they are in bed with fascism is turning a blind eye to the threats of *actual* fascism, which is a waaaaaay bigger threat to our republic right now, if for no other reason than they have apparently convinced about a third of the country that it is the champion of REAL AMERICA.

Authoritarianism is the bad guy here.
 

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Fascists and Communists are similar in that they both are based on dictatorships, but that is like saying that an arsonist and a chef are similar because they both use fire.

Communism wants no one to own anything; fascism wants their people to own everything. Their goals are as different as they can be.

If you all want to call Antifa a bunch of violent, anti-American pinko Commies who beat old people up in the street, that's fine. Make that argument. But pretending that they are in bed with fascism is turning a blind eye to the threats of *actual* fascism, which is a waaaaaay bigger threat to our republic right now, if for no other reason than they have apparently convinced about a third of the country that it is the champion of REAL AMERICA.

Authoritarianism is the bad guy here.
There are of course big differences between fascism and communism. But in fact also many similarities.

There are no known fascists in this nation other than a few obscure idiots living as recluses.

Antifa is not in bed with fascism as fare as I can see but they are the closest thing to fascism we have and they are a threat. Fascism is not a threat.
 

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Fascists and Communists are similar in that they both are based on dictatorships, but that is like saying that an arsonist and a chef are similar because they both use fire.

Communism wants no one to own anything; fascism wants their people to own everything. Their goals are as different as they can be.

If you all want to call Antifa a bunch of violent, anti-American pinko Commies who beat old people up in the street, that's fine. Make that argument. But pretending that they are in bed with fascism is turning a blind eye to the threats of *actual* fascism, which is a waaaaaay bigger threat to our republic right now, if for no other reason than they have apparently convinced about a third of the country that it is the champion of REAL AMERICA.

Authoritarianism is the bad guy here.
There are of course big differences between fascism and communism. But in fact also many similarities.

There are no known fascists in this nation other than a few obscure idiots living as recluses.

Antifa is not in bed with fascism as fare as I can see but they are the closest thing to fascism we have and they are a threat. Fascism is not a threat.
Think so, huh? How do you know?

Is it because no one out there is calling themselves fascists? If you were a fascist, I'm guessing you wouldn't brand your new party with that loaded term; neither would they. Instead, if they're out there, we have to identify them by what they do.

Those of us who have spent our lives studying this sort of thing know that fascism gains acceptance by attaching itself to bragging points of the people who it is targeting. Mussolini played up on Italians' memory of the glory that was once Rome, and the Nazis played on the superior-race Aryan ideals. Even today, Erdogan and his goons in Turkey are playing up the Islamic pride, and Orzan in Hungary is burning their democracy to the ground by trumpeting national sovereignty. These are all characteristics that made the people of these countries feel great about themselves, reasons why they thought they were THE BEST.

In light of all of that, and knowing what you know of the American personality, what characteristic about us -- that we think makes us the BEST society ever -- would be perfect for fascists to target? I'll give you a hint: Here's a photo of the last time they tried it in numbers, from a Bund rally at MSG in 1939.

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Now that we've seen where they show up, we can try to identify them, but I'll have to leave the list of characteristics for another time. It's Sunday afternoon, and I need to go food shopping.
 

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Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.
Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.


It shows Natzism AND Republicans on the left, occupying the same side


No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.






The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.
No, its not because something as complex as a political system cannot be boiled down to a left/right duopoly. There are right wing authoritarians and there are left wing authoritarians.

The grid is a much more accurate picture of politics pitting authoritarians/anarchists as opposites and left/right as opposites but still massively over simplified. The right certainly does not represent something closer to anarchy than the left.
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Correct. A total lack of government is the true definition of far-right ideology. A "sovereign citizen" is an example of a far-right person.
False.

What you state means there is no right at all in this country and that the left and right we do have occupy the SAME SPOT on the political spectrum. Just like that silly ass image oddball put up, it places the left and right on the same point.

What does that model tell you then? Nothing at all. That is what happens when you distill a host of complex ideologies into a one dimensional spectrum. Considering that such ideologies cover a massive swath of life, not just governance but things like economics, it makes the model useless.

It is not useful as there is a massive differences in ideologies that would simply be nonexistent on something as simple as a line.
No, far right is anarchy - the peaceful anarchy that Rand and Rothbart wrote extensively about, not the "anarchy" being carried out today by murderous commie lunatics....The far left is authoritarianism of all brands....

Trying to parse out whether fascism, communism, et al. are of any significant difference, is no more a cerebral exercise than contemplating the "differences" between Coke and cultists.


Yup. Mental masturbation at its finest.
That is what your silly line graph is, mental masterbation since it has been pointed out that it does not actually bring any meaning whatsoever to the table. It actually removes it.

I repeat, the image that was given, the one you liked

DIRECTLY SHOWED NAZISM AS MATCHING THE RIGHT. Its right there, in the picture.

Do you now disagree with that image?






Ummmm, nooo. The graph that I liked shows nazism is on the LEFT.
Yes, on the left with the Republicans, on the left, the democrats, also on the left in the same spot is Hitler/Mao/Stalin and on and on. The fact is Nazism and Mao are not the same political ideology.

If you support government control of business. You are a Nazi. If you support government control of speech. You are a Nazi. If you support government control of your medical care with no choice of a free market solution. You are a Nazi. If you support government control of your childrens upbringing. You are a Nazi.

You will notice that NONE of us support ANY of those things.
If you support government control of business you support ethnic cleansing?

I doubt it but that alone should point out the glaring, massive, asinine hole in your 2 dimensional thinking, Being wrong does not make one a Nazi.





Yeah, they are. Fundamentally, fascists and Marxists are very close philosophically. Minor differences in how much private property is allowed, but in almost every way they are similar.
Therein lies the problem. You are using the terms incorrectly then as they are not the same. Hitler was not politically similar to Mao even thought they were both authoritarians. Ignoring the difference simply ensures that you are unable to recognize authoritarians on the other side.
 

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Far right movements spread around the world in the early 20th century. Americans have flirted with fascist ideology on and off, especially in the early 20th century--then in reaction to a strong progressive streak that dominated American culture. The opposition to democracy, nationalism, anti-immigrant demagoguery, the reliance on lies and propaganda, and authoritarianism are its most persistent features.

The conservative base in America has always had far right components to it, yet they were never able to dominate the US completely, not even in the 1930s before WW2. They were essentially fringe ideas for much of the period since WW2 to the point where they were basically ignored. For most of the past century, any far-right insurgency was almost always contained by the center-right element of the party. But not this time.

Once again we are witnesses to a rise of fascist far-right parties taking over in much of the world. Even though it was clearly the governing ideology of Trump himself, there were significant hurdles from the centrists that stopped his agenda. But those roadblocks were either systematically dismantled or eliminated through excommunication from the party. The near-absolute cover they gave him for his criminality, for his impeachable offenses, and for "the Big Lie" were signs that the party was weakening.

Now, the fascist wing has captured the Republican Party thoroughly. There is no accountability for the far-right members of the party, only those who might question their lies. The center-right Republican Party is now officially dead. It is just the fascists who are left.

God help us all.
Three things:

1. Fascism is Left Wing,
2. You meant to pray to Beelzebub, and
3. Fuck off. Just fuck off

No, Fascism is always right wing.
Fascism was started in Ancient Rome, and it referred to the axe handles used as the badge of office by the lictors who were sort of like police. These axe handles are called fascia. Anyway, the oligarchs used the axe handle facia tied in bundles to represent strength in unity. And their unity was the military, aristocracy, and priesthood. Which is essentially the same as the right wing unity these days except the priesthood has been replaced by bankers and corporations.
Mussolini also was put into power by the right wing, wealthy elite.
Fascism has never referred to left wing, lower class, populists.


It shows Natzism AND Republicans on the left, occupying the same side


No, it's not. Right wing is NO government. ALL collectivist governments are LEFTIST.

Wrong.
Aristocracies are always right wing.
They are centralized.
The left wing has always been the decentralized populists.
The word "collectivist" has no meaning since it depend on who it being united collectively?
If it is the wealthy elite, then it is right wing.
If it is the poor majority of the workers, then it is left wing.

There can never be such as thing as "NO government", because if allowed to get their way, the wealthy elite always takes over and created a monarchy.
The only way to prevent a monarchy or any sort of dictatorship from taking over with a mercenary force, is a strong populist government that prevents it with collective force.






The Fabian socialists have been propagandizing this line of bullshit for over a 100 years.

The political spectrum isn't a circle, it's a straight line. Collectivism on one side, anarchy on the other.

That's it.
No, its not because something as complex as a political system cannot be boiled down to a left/right duopoly. There are right wing authoritarians and there are left wing authoritarians.

The grid is a much more accurate picture of politics pitting authoritarians/anarchists as opposites and left/right as opposites but still massively over simplified. The right certainly does not represent something closer to anarchy than the left.
View attachment 489035

Correct. A total lack of government is the true definition of far-right ideology. A "sovereign citizen" is an example of a far-right person.
False.

What you state means there is no right at all in this country and that the left and right we do have occupy the SAME SPOT on the political spectrum. Just like that silly ass image oddball put up, it places the left and right on the same point.

What does that model tell you then? Nothing at all. That is what happens when you distill a host of complex ideologies into a one dimensional spectrum. Considering that such ideologies cover a massive swath of life, not just governance but things like economics, it makes the model useless.

It is not useful as there is a massive differences in ideologies that would simply be nonexistent on something as simple as a line.
No, far right is anarchy - the peaceful anarchy that Rand and Rothbart wrote extensively about, not the "anarchy" being carried out today by murderous commie lunatics....The far left is authoritarianism of all brands....

Trying to parse out whether fascism, communism, et al. are of any significant difference, is no more a cerebral exercise than contemplating the "differences" between Coke and cultists.


Yup. Mental masturbation at its finest.
That is what your silly line graph is, mental masterbation since it has been pointed out that it does not actually bring any meaning whatsoever to the table. It actually removes it.

I repeat, the image that was given, the one you liked

DIRECTLY SHOWED NAZISM AS MATCHING THE RIGHT. Its right there, in the picture.

Do you now disagree with that image?






Ummmm, nooo. The graph that I liked shows nazism is on the LEFT.
Yes, on the left with the Republicans, on the left, the democrats, also on the left in the same spot is Hitler/Mao/Stalin and on and on. The fact is Nazism and Mao are not the same political ideology.

If you support government control of business. You are a Nazi. If you support government control of speech. You are a Nazi. If you support government control of your medical care with no choice of a free market solution. You are a Nazi. If you support government control of your childrens upbringing. You are a Nazi.

You will notice that NONE of us support ANY of those things.
If you support government control of business you support ethnic cleansing?

I doubt it but that alone should point out the glaring, massive, asinine hole in your 2 dimensional thinking, Being wrong does not make one a Nazi.





Yeah, they are. Fundamentally, fascists and Marxists are very close philosophically. Minor differences in how much private property is allowed, but in almost every way they are similar.
Therein lies the problem. You are using the terms incorrectly then as they are not the same. Hitler was not politically similar to Mao even thought they were both authoritarians. Ignoring the difference simply ensures that you are unable to recognize authoritarians on the other side.
The "differences" amount to flecks of pepper in a pile of shit.
 

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