"Far Right" can't win for GOP? ...BS!

[Skylar]

You can't back your claim that moderates and liberals are conservatives with jack shit.

I did not say that moderates and liberals are Conservatives.

Oh, I believe you buddy. But this Boss guy? He says you're a hapless liar:

Now... "Moderate" ,,,,let's take an objective look at what this means. We find that it is a very popular identifier because it seems to suggest a degree of unbiased objective opinion, non partisan, non ideological. This doesn't sound like someone who wants radical change. Another word for someone who doesn't want radical change... Conservative.

Boss
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But now you're not saying that moderates are conservative?

I mean, if even you are going to treat the meaningless drivel you post like the garbage it is, surely you can understand why we treat your claims the same way.

I said that most moderates are Conservative because Conservatism is a moderate philosophy, by definition.

And the moderates contradict you. As when asked if they lean liberal, moderate or conservative, they self identified as moderate. So predictably you ignore Moderates on their own political beliefs and imagine you know better.

Um, you don't.

Then I gave you the dictionary definition.

No you didn't. You made up a definition. Let me refresh your memory on the bullshit you imagined:

We find that it is a very popular identifier because it seems to suggest a degree of unbiased objective opinion, non partisan, non ideological.

Boss
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That's not the dictionary. That's you just making shit up. And then pretending that you're the dictionary. Just like you pretend you speak for moderates and liberals. As a point of comparison, this is the actual dictionary.

Moderate:

n. a person who is moderate in opinion or opposed to extreme views and actions, especially in politics or religion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moderate?s=t

That's a moderate. And it doesn't include any of the bullshit you invented. Nothing about 'non-partisan'. Nothing about 'non-ideological'. Nothing about 'unbiased' or 'objective'.

Seriously, B......lie to yourself if you want to. But don't bother lying to me.

 

[edthecynic]

So now the job befalls Conservatives to take back the dialogue and set the record straight. That can be done by someone like Ted Cruz, because while idiots like Eddy are running around claiming he is "far right" and not giving any indication of what the fuck that means, he will be bashing your brains out with pragmatic common sense ideas and conservative philosophy, which resonates wildly among the voters.

You have moron "know it alls" like Bossy who pretend not to know the radical far Right things an
insurrectionist like Cruz says even though it has been plastered all over the news. Since Bossy will no longer be able to play dumb, he will now pretend that 2nd amendment was intended for killing government officials you disagree with by rationalizing they are taking away your liberty, according to the CON$ervoFascist DOCTRINE of "Original INTENT."

If you cannot see anything radical or extreme about the below quote, it is only because you, like Cruz, are also so far Right you can no longer see the middle!

"The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution isn't for just protecting hunting rights, and it's not only to safeguard your right to target practice. It is a Constitutional right to protect your children, your family, your home, our lives, and to serve as the ultimate check against governmental tyranny -- for the protection of liberty"
- Ted Cruz

There is nothing whatsoever radical or extreme about his statement. If you read the Federalist Papers, you would know that he is stating precisely what the founding fathers argued when creating the 2nd Amendment.

He has not called for insurrection, that's YOU trying to demonize him for being Conservative.

The far Right are soooooo predictable!
It has always been called "The insurrectionist interpretation of the Second Amendment."

COUNTERPOINT Gun Control and the Second Amendment Psychiatric Times

The insurrectionist interpretation of the Second Amendment dominates the modern pro-gun movement. This view posits that individuals should be allowed to prepare for war with their government as a counterbalance should it one day become “tyrannical.” Citizens who care about our Constitution and the vast array of rights it affords us might think twice before adopting this flawed and treasonous interpretation as their own.

There is not one shred of evidence to suggest that the Second Amendment’s purpose was to safeguard an individual right of insurrection. The amendment’s author, Federalist James Madison, articulated that its purpose was to split the military power of the new nation between the states and the federal government. But he also made it clear that any opposition to federal tyranny would come from state militia forces “conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence.”

Our Founders saw what insurrection looked like during acts of armed mob violence such as Shays’ Rebellion. It horrified them and was one of the chief reasons they gathered in Philadelphia to create a new system of government with a stronger, more capable federal government. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution makes it clear that the purpose of the militia is to “suppress insurrections,” not to foment them. Remember, what looks like “tyranny” to one man might look like “health care reform” to another.

 

[Boss]

But now you're not saying that moderates are conservative?

I mean, if even you are going to treat the meaningless drivel you post like the garbage it is, surely you can understand why we treat your claims the same way.

Jeesh... I had no idea your bigotry ran so deep. Do you not understand the concept of individuality at all? Does it not register in your small brain that people don't always fit into a convenient stereotype? No, because you're a liberal idiot. Your ideology thrives on putting people in boxes and defining them with a stereotype.

I have said that MOST MODERATES are Conservative. Did ya get that, dimwit? That's not saying ALL moderates, it's very much different than saying that.

Ted Cruz believes in upholding our Constitutional 2nd Amendment rights... Eddy says that makes him a far right reactionary extremist. So far, this has been the ONLY EXAMPLE presented of this false conservative ideology you've imagined into existence.

 

[Boss]

So now the job befalls Conservatives to take back the dialogue and set the record straight. That can be done by someone like Ted Cruz, because while idiots like Eddy are running around claiming he is "far right" and not giving any indication of what the fuck that means, he will be bashing your brains out with pragmatic common sense ideas and conservative philosophy, which resonates wildly among the voters.

You have moron "know it alls" like Bossy who pretend not to know the radical far Right things an
insurrectionist like Cruz says even though it has been plastered all over the news. Since Bossy will no longer be able to play dumb, he will now pretend that 2nd amendment was intended for killing government officials you disagree with by rationalizing they are taking away your liberty, according to the CON$ervoFascist DOCTRINE of "Original INTENT."

If you cannot see anything radical or extreme about the below quote, it is only because you, like Cruz, are also so far Right you can no longer see the middle!

"The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution isn't for just protecting hunting rights, and it's not only to safeguard your right to target practice. It is a Constitutional right to protect your children, your family, your home, our lives, and to serve as the ultimate check against governmental tyranny -- for the protection of liberty"
- Ted Cruz

There is nothing whatsoever radical or extreme about his statement. If you read the Federalist Papers, you would know that he is stating precisely what the founding fathers argued when creating the 2nd Amendment.

He has not called for insurrection, that's YOU trying to demonize him for being Conservative.

The far Right are soooooo predictable!
It has always been called "The insurrectionist interpretation of the Second Amendment."

COUNTERPOINT Gun Control and the Second Amendment Psychiatric Times

The insurrectionist interpretation of the Second Amendment dominates the modern pro-gun movement. This view posits that individuals should be allowed to prepare for war with their government as a counterbalance should it one day become “tyrannical.” Citizens who care about our Constitution and the vast array of rights it affords us might think twice before adopting this flawed and treasonous interpretation as their own.

There is not one shred of evidence to suggest that the Second Amendment’s purpose was to safeguard an individual right of insurrection. The amendment’s author, Federalist James Madison, articulated that its purpose was to split the military power of the new nation between the states and the federal government. But he also made it clear that any opposition to federal tyranny would come from state militia forces “conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence.”

Our Founders saw what insurrection looked like during acts of armed mob violence such as Shays’ Rebellion. It horrified them and was one of the chief reasons they gathered in Philadelphia to create a new system of government with a stronger, more capable federal government. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution makes it clear that the purpose of the militia is to “suppress insurrections,” not to foment them. Remember, what looks like “tyranny” to one man might look like “health care reform” to another.

YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS TALKING ABOUT INSURRECTION!

 

[Boss]

No you didn't. You made up a definition.

Conservative Define Conservative at Dictionary.com

conservative
adjective
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

Conservative Definition of conservative by Merriam-Webster

conservative
adjective con·ser·va·tive \kən-ˈsər-və-tiv\
: believing in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society : relating to or supporting political conservatism.

conservative definition of conservative in Oxford dictionary American English US

conservative
adjective
traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically
in relation to politics or religion.

conservative - definition of conservative by The Free Dictionary

conservative
adj.
1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.

Okay dimwit... there are four credible sources with the definition of Conservative that simply does not mean radical or extreme in any way shape or form, and in fact, means the exact OPPOSITE of that. BY DEFINITION!


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[edthecynic]

So now the job befalls Conservatives to take back the dialogue and set the record straight. That can be done by someone like Ted Cruz, because while idiots like Eddy are running around claiming he is "far right" and not giving any indication of what the fuck that means, he will be bashing your brains out with pragmatic common sense ideas and conservative philosophy, which resonates wildly among the voters.

You have moron "know it alls" like Bossy who pretend not to know the radical far Right things an
insurrectionist like Cruz says even though it has been plastered all over the news. Since Bossy will no longer be able to play dumb, he will now pretend that 2nd amendment was intended for killing government officials you disagree with by rationalizing they are taking away your liberty, according to the CON$ervoFascist DOCTRINE of "Original INTENT."

If you cannot see anything radical or extreme about the below quote, it is only because you, like Cruz, are also so far Right you can no longer see the middle!

"The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution isn't for just protecting hunting rights, and it's not only to safeguard your right to target practice. It is a Constitutional right to protect your children, your family, your home, our lives, and to serve as the ultimate check against governmental tyranny -- for the protection of liberty"
- Ted Cruz

There is nothing whatsoever radical or extreme about his statement. If you read the Federalist Papers, you would know that he is stating precisely what the founding fathers argued when creating the 2nd Amendment.

He has not called for insurrection, that's YOU trying to demonize him for being Conservative.

The far Right are soooooo predictable!
It has always been called "The insurrectionist interpretation of the Second Amendment."

COUNTERPOINT Gun Control and the Second Amendment Psychiatric Times

The insurrectionist interpretation of the Second Amendment dominates the modern pro-gun movement. This view posits that individuals should be allowed to prepare for war with their government as a counterbalance should it one day become “tyrannical.” Citizens who care about our Constitution and the vast array of rights it affords us might think twice before adopting this flawed and treasonous interpretation as their own.

There is not one shred of evidence to suggest that the Second Amendment’s purpose was to safeguard an individual right of insurrection. The amendment’s author, Federalist James Madison, articulated that its purpose was to split the military power of the new nation between the states and the federal government. But he also made it clear that any opposition to federal tyranny would come from state militia forces “conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence.”

Our Founders saw what insurrection looked like during acts of armed mob violence such as Shays’ Rebellion. It horrified them and was one of the chief reasons they gathered in Philadelphia to create a new system of government with a stronger, more capable federal government. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution makes it clear that the purpose of the militia is to “suppress insurrections,” not to foment them. Remember, what looks like “tyranny” to one man might look like “health care reform” to another.

YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS TALKING ABOUT INSURRECTION!

Cruz has based his campaign on it. Cruz declared that he's "the only candidate running for President who not only believes in the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms -- but has the record of fighting for it, tooth and nail."

 

[Boss]

And the moderates contradict you. As when asked if they lean liberal, moderate or conservative, they self identified as moderate. So predictably you ignore Moderates on their own political beliefs and imagine you know better.

Again... Conservatism IS a moderate philosophy... BY DEFINITION!

 

[edthecynic]

No you didn't. You made up a definition.

Conservative Define Conservative at Dictionary.com

conservative
adjective
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

Conservative Definition of conservative by Merriam-Webster

conservative
adjective con·ser·va·tive \kən-ˈsər-və-tiv\
: believing in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society : relating to or supporting political conservatism.

conservative definition of conservative in Oxford dictionary American English US

conservative
adjective
traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically
in relation to politics or religion.

conservative - definition of conservative by The Free Dictionary

conservative
adj.
1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.

Okay dimwit... there are four credible sources with the definition of Conservative that simply does not mean radical or extreme in any way shape or form, and in fact, means the exact OPPOSITE of that. BY DEFINITION!

Just because CON$ worship tradition as sacred does not exclude them, by definition, from being quite radical.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes

- Salman Rushdie, (1947 - )

 

[edthecynic]

Again... Conservatism IS a moderate philosophy... BY DEFINITION!

Again, that IS pure bullshit... BY DEFINITION!

 

[Boss]

Cruz has based his campaign on it. Cruz declared that he's "the only candidate running for President who not only believes in the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms -- but has the record of fighting for it, tooth and nail."

Cruz has not mentioned or implied anything about any kind of insurrection.

Oh -- my -- god! ...So it's NOW considered "far right radical extremism" to believe in the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution? Oh shit... we can't elect a crazy man like that, next thing you know he'll be defending civil rights and freedom of speech! He might even do something extremely radical like salute the flag or something! Lord forbid he should acknowledge God!

 

[Skylar]

No you didn't. You made up a definition.

Conservative Define Conservative at Dictionary.com

conservative
adjective
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

Conservative Definition of conservative by Merriam-Webster

conservative
adjective con·ser·va·tive \kən-ˈsər-və-tiv\
: believing in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society : relating to or supporting political conservatism.

conservative definition of conservative in Oxford dictionary American English US

conservative
adjective
traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically
in relation to politics or religion.

conservative - definition of conservative by The Free Dictionary

conservative
adj.
1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.
2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit.
3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate.

Okay dimwit... there are four credible sources with the definition of Conservative that simply does not mean radical or extreme in any way shape or form, and in fact, means the exact OPPOSITE of that. BY DEFINITION!


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Laughing......so you've completely abandoned your made up definition of moderate. Good. You can be taught. All your hapless nonsense about a moderate being 'non-partisan' or 'objective' or 'non-ideological', or 'non-partisan' was meaningless babble.

Moderates aren't conservatives. Nor are liberals. Says who? Says the moderates and the liberals.

As they've self identified. Your argument is once again to ignore moderates and liberals on their OWN self identified political leanings and claim to speak for them.

Citing only yourself.

That's not evidence. That's baseless opinion and hopeless willful ignorance. And is as meaningless as your made up definition of 'moderate'.

 

[Boss]

Just because CON$ worship tradition as sacred does not exclude them, by definition, from being quite radical.

LMAO... Yeah, just because they oppose radicalism and favor tradition doesn't mean they aren't extremists! ...Do you even hear how stupid you sound?

 

[Skylar]

But now you're not saying that moderates are conservative?

I mean, if even you are going to treat the meaningless drivel you post like the garbage it is, surely you can understand why we treat your claims the same way.

Jeesh... I had no idea your bigotry ran so deep. Do you not understand the concept of individuality at all?

Of course I do. Which is why when an individual self identifies as a moderate or a liberal, I believe them. While I don't believe you, claiming to speak for them. Your entire argument is based upon IGNORING the individual and projecting your beliefs upon them.

Surely you realize that you've presented exactly jack shit to back ANY of your claims that moderates and liberals are conservatives. That you've just typed the claim over and over, based on nothing.

Now why would I ignore the individual sharing their OWN political leanings and instead believe you pretending to speak for them? Remember, you don't actually have the slightest clue what you're talkiing about. While they're the world's leading expert on their own politics.

Explain it to us.

 

[edthecynic]

So it's NOW considered "far right radical extremism" to believe in the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution?

You can always tell when the far Right know they have lost the argument, they create a Straw Man.

It is radicle to interpret the 2nd amendment to mean that the INDIVIDUAL is guaranteed the right to bear arms in order to overthrow the government whenever he rationalizes he is protecting his individual liberty.

"The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution isn't for just protecting hunting rights, and it's not only to safeguard your right to target practice. It is a Constitutional right to protect your children, your family, your home, our lives, and to serve as the ultimate check against governmental tyranny -- for the protection of liberty"

- Ted Cruz

 

[edthecynic]

Just because CON$ worship tradition as sacred does not exclude them, by definition, from being quite radical.

LMAO... Yeah, just because they oppose radicalism and favor tradition doesn't mean they aren't extremists! ...Do you even hear how stupid you sound?

As usual you lie by the way you edited my post to create your Straw Man.

Here is what you edited which you have now defined as "radicalism." You can't get any more far Right than that, but no matter how many times your OWN words expose you as an extremist you will still lie and deny it.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes
- Salman Rushdie, (1947 - )

 

[Boss]

Laughing......so you've completely abandoned your made up definition of moderate.

I didn't make up a definition, I presented the dictionary definition for "moderate" as well. What we can clearly see is, you have a reading comprehension problem and you're an idiot liberal.

I don't care about your graphs showing how people self identify. I've already explained why most people self-identify as moderate. Most people aren't extremist radicals, they don't want to identify as "liberal" or "conservative" because of that. It doesn't mean anything, the moderate still has views that are either left or right, and most moderates are conservatives. The left has demonized Conservatism to a point that people tend to shy away from it, they don't want to be thought of as an extremist or "far right" so they identify as independent or moderate... but most moderates and independents have a conservative philosophy. Conservatism, by definition, is a moderate philosophy as opposed to Liberal ideology which is radical and extreme.

In your way of thinking, you see that "moderate" line on a graph and you think these are people out there who simply have no political compass, they don't think left or right, they are totally neutral and no one can ever tell which way their sails are going to blow. Now, I won't say there aren't a few idiots out there like this, perhaps there are many... they don't make up the majority of anything, including moderates and independents. The overwhelming majority of the moderates from your graph, are Conservatives who aren't going to vote for any kind of ideologue, Liberal or Republican.

 

[Boss]

It is radicle to interpret the 2nd amendment to mean that the INDIVIDUAL is guaranteed the right to bear arms in order to overthrow the government whenever he rationalizes he is protecting his individual liberty.

No one has stated this except YOU!

What you are doing is twisting the words of Sen. Cruz in order to make you inane point. You are inferring things that were not said.

And... Constitution's Bill of Rights applies to individuals! Yes, the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals who do have the right to defend their property and ultimately, their country in the event of a tyrannical overthrow of government in order to restore democracy. I'm sorry if you don't think we should have the right to defend our country from the overthrow of tyrants. I suggest you move to China or Russia where people have no freedom or rights.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Boss and Cruz are not any sort of mainstream Republicanism, no sort of traditional, definable Conservatism.

Pinocchio, no matter how long your nose grows, you will not be allowed to redefine terms with out metaphorically continuing to get your ass kicked.

 

[Boss]

Just because CON$ worship tradition as sacred does not exclude them, by definition, from being quite radical.

LMAO... Yeah, just because they oppose radicalism and favor tradition doesn't mean they aren't extremists! ...Do you even hear how stupid you sound?

As usual you lie by the way you edited my post to create your Straw Man.

Here is what you edited which you have now defined as "radicalism." You can't get any more far Right than that, but no matter how many times your OWN words expose you as an extremist you will still lie and deny it.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes
- Salman Rushdie, (1947 - )

I didn't edit anything, I paraphrased what you said, which was basically that conservatives (who are opposed to radical change) are still radicals because YOU say so, and nothing more.

I've not said anything which has yet to be shown as "radical" or "extreme" in any way. I continue to repeat my request for any of you to articulate what the fuck you're talking about, and so far, all you can come up with is defense of the 2nd Amendment. Ooo... I'm a goddamn extremist wacko, I think we have the right to bear arms!

 

[Boss]

Boss and Cruz are not any sort of mainstream Republicanism, no sort of traditional, definable Conservatism.

Pinocchio, no matter how long your nose grows, you will not be allowed to redefine terms with out metaphorically continuing to get your ass kicked.

You are 100% correct that Cruz and I are not "mainstream Republicans." The Republican party is not all Conservative, many in the GOP are crony corporatist ideologues and political country club fat cat elites. They are NOT Conservatives, they don't believe in a Conservative philosophy... hell, they don't even understand it.

The only Pinocchios or people wishing to redefine things are YOU and the Liberal left. I gave you the links to the goddamn dictionary definitions, that's what I go by. I don't need to redefine anything, I'm setting the record straight on your redefinition which is a lie. And you are also the one getting your ass kicked because you can't answer my questions. All you can do is continue to hurl one insult after another and blather on with your mind-numbing rhetoric that has no basis in fact and you haven't supported thus far.

Hey... I totally get it! I understand 100% what you are trying to do here! I really do! It's what the Liberals have been doing for the last decade and it will continue until you are made politically irrelevant again. You are going to flood this board, day and night, week after week, as long as it takes, insisting that you have somehow "won" an argument with me and proven me wrong. You'll fill page after page with baseless allegations, personal insults, denigration and obfuscation... anything to hide the fact that you've not answered my questions and I've bested you on the topic. It's what you do and what we've come to expect from the Liberal left.