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Evolution is all about blood (DNA). The Evolutionary Concept shared by all life is one of pushing it's own DNA up the Timeline through procreation and varying levels of care for the spawn. This concept is consummately displayed by the semi-Sentient Monkeys of Earth. Hash-tag "Family is EVERYTHING!"
The concept of Evolution predicts that Sentience will come crawling out of a dog-eat-dog jungle where the one trait shared by ALL of the creatures who're learning their place on The Timeline is a strong focus on procreation, coupled with a fierce loyalty to family and the willingness to promote and protect one's own blood, in open competition with other individuals, families and nations. History more than proves this prediction.
The willingness of the races to protect and promote their own at the expense of other races is also predicted by the concept of Evolution. Historic proof? You bet your darker-than-khaki ass!
On a living path to Sentience, religion is a tool that Evolution uses to teach the value of cooperation, and the Evolutionary Concept predicts that humans organized around religion WILL fight to the death both each other, and humans organized for other reasons. History once again proves The Concept.
Religion is not in competition with Evolution..... Religion is just one of many tools that Evolution uses to build a Sentient World out of a living planet. This is why the concept of Evolution doesn't change, even as our understanding of it does; and Religious Truth is subject to popular opinion and can change without notice.
What say we put the ancient Arab God Stories in to proper perspective, stop warring over the past and things where proof is impossible*, and drive this fucker back to The Stars?
*Impossible Proof: Anything that requires 'Faith' to believe.
The concept of Evolution predicts that Sentience will come crawling out of a dog-eat-dog jungle where the one trait shared by ALL of the creatures who're learning their place on The Timeline is a strong focus on procreation, coupled with a fierce loyalty to family and the willingness to promote and protect one's own blood, in open competition with other individuals, families and nations. History more than proves this prediction.
The willingness of the races to protect and promote their own at the expense of other races is also predicted by the concept of Evolution. Historic proof? You bet your darker-than-khaki ass!
On a living path to Sentience, religion is a tool that Evolution uses to teach the value of cooperation, and the Evolutionary Concept predicts that humans organized around religion WILL fight to the death both each other, and humans organized for other reasons. History once again proves The Concept.
Religion is not in competition with Evolution..... Religion is just one of many tools that Evolution uses to build a Sentient World out of a living planet. This is why the concept of Evolution doesn't change, even as our understanding of it does; and Religious Truth is subject to popular opinion and can change without notice.
What say we put the ancient Arab God Stories in to proper perspective, stop warring over the past and things where proof is impossible*, and drive this fucker back to The Stars?
*Impossible Proof: Anything that requires 'Faith' to believe.
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Mikeoxenormous
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Family is not important thing. It's everything..
A liberal would ooh and ahhh how the family of Racoons just saved their baby from certain death, but with a unborn child, they would say, "It is a woman's choice to kill that baby"..
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The abortion genie is not going to be stuffed back in the technology bottle.
As long as the technology and a market for it exist, abortions will be performed.
Some things should be safe and legal, but not turned in to a for-profit industry.
While abortion knows no political boundaries, The Abortion Industry is one shame born alone by Capitalism.
As long as the technology and a market for it exist, abortions will be performed.
Some things should be safe and legal, but not turned in to a for-profit industry.
While abortion knows no political boundaries, The Abortion Industry is one shame born alone by Capitalism.
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The point being, every dollar spent on Education is a potential dollar not given to The Abortion Industry.
Education.
Education.
Education.
Education.
Education.
Education.
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Abortion isn’t safe. Every successful abortion results in a human death...The abortion genie is not going to be stuffed back in the technology bottle.
As long as the technology and a market for it exist, abortions will be performed.
Some things should be safe and legal, but not turned in to a for-profit industry.
While abortion knows no political boundaries, The Abortion Industry is one shame born alone by Capitalism.
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Details.
Try to legislate the abortion genie back in to the technology bottle and many will result in 2 deaths.
Education is the key. Teenagers fuck. Not teaching them how is on us.
The fact that someone is making good money killing pregnancies in our over-prudish economy should not surprise our capitalists asses.
But it should shame us into paying for real, effective, sex education in public schools.
Try to legislate the abortion genie back in to the technology bottle and many will result in 2 deaths.
Education is the key. Teenagers fuck. Not teaching them how is on us.
The fact that someone is making good money killing pregnancies in our over-prudish economy should not surprise our capitalists asses.
But it should shame us into paying for real, effective, sex education in public schools.
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I have no problem with that. Call it karma; call it justice... Call it whatever you want...Details.
Try to legislate the abortion genie back in to the technology bottle and many will result in 2 deaths.
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So..... if a woman is educated beyond the need for abortion technology, do her never-conceived children deserve justice and a chance to be born?
Some of the best parents in the world are loons. And watching the loon couples flying right over the surface of the Platte River was one of the best things I've ever seen. They're so focused on flying gracefully but almost as fast as a speeding bullet. And then they teach the little ones to ride on their backs, both parents. Human children could learn a lot from just having an ornithologist explain their nature and loyalty to one another and the cute little fuzzballs the carry.
Yep. Loons are the most enchanting parents one could ever see. I love 'em.
Yep. Loons are the most enchanting parents one could ever see. I love 'em.
Capitalism? Uh....The abortion genie is not going to be stuffed back in the technology bottle.
As long as the technology and a market for it exist, abortions will be performed.
Some things should be safe and legal, but not turned in to a for-profit industry.
While abortion knows no political boundaries, The Abortion Industry is one shame born alone by Capitalism.
The Ancient History of Abortion
Abortion is often presented as if it were new, cutting-edge, scientific--a product of the modern era--when it is, in fact, as old as recorded history.
Earliest Known Description of Abortion
The earliest known description of abortion comes from the Ebers Papyrus (ca. 1550 BCE), an ancient Egyptian medical text drawn, ostensibly, from records dating as far back as the third millennium BCE. The Ebers Papyrus suggests that an abortion can be induced with the use of a plant-fiber tampon coated with a compound that included honey and crushed dates. Later herbal abortifacients included the long-extinct silphium, the most prized medicinal plant of the ancient world, and pennyroyal, which is still sometimes used to induce abortions (but not safely, as it is highly toxic). In Aristophanes' Lysistrata, Calonice refers to a young woman as "well-cropped, and trimmed, and spruced with pennyroyal."
Abortion is never explicitly mentioned in the Bible, but we know that the ancient Egyptians, Persians, and Romans, among others, would have practiced it during their respective eras. The absence of any discussion of abortion in the Bible is conspicuous, and later authorities attempted to close the gap.
The Babylonian Talmud (Niddah 23a) suggests a Jewish response, by a Rabbi Meir, that would have been consistent with contemporaneous secular sources permitting abortion during early pregnancy: "[A woman] can only abort something in the shape of a stone, and that can only be described as a lump." Chapter two of an early Christian text prohibits all abortion but does so only within the context of a longer passage that also condemns theft, covetousness, perjury, hypocrisy, and pride. Abortion is never mentioned in the Qur'an, and later Muslim scholars hold a range of views regarding the morality of the practice--some holding that it is always unacceptable, others holding that it is acceptable up to the 16th week of pregnancy.
Earliest Legal Ban on Abortion
The earliest legal ban on abortion dates from the 11th-century BCE Code of Assura and imposes the death penalty on married women who procure abortions without the permission of their husbands. We know that some regions of ancient Greece also had some sort of ban on abortion, because there are fragments of speeches from the ancient Greek lawyer-orator Lysias (445-380 BCE) in which he defends a woman accused of having an abortion. But, much like the Code of Assura, it may have only applied in cases where the husband had not granted permission for the pregnancy to be terminated. The Hippocratic Oath forbade physicians from inducing elective abortions (requiring that physicians vow "not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion"), but Aristotle held that abortion was ethical if performed during the first trimester of pregnancy, writing in the Historia Animalium that there is a distinctive change that takes place early in the second trimester:
About this period (the ninetieth day) the embryo begins to resolve into distinct parts, it having hitherto consisted of a fleshlike substance without distinction of parts. What is called effluxion is a destruction of the embryo within the first week, while abortion occurs up to the fortieth day; and the greater number of such embryos as perish do so within the space of these forty days.
As far as we know, surgical abortion was not common until the end of the 19th century and would have been reckless prior to the invention of the Hegar dilator in 1879, which made dilation-and-curettage (D&C) possible. But pharmaceutically-induced abortions, different in function and similar in effect, were extremely common in the ancient world. When Did Abortion Begin?
Earliest Known Description of Abortion
The earliest known description of abortion comes from the Ebers Papyrus (ca. 1550 BCE), an ancient Egyptian medical text drawn, ostensibly, from records dating as far back as the third millennium BCE. The Ebers Papyrus suggests that an abortion can be induced with the use of a plant-fiber tampon coated with a compound that included honey and crushed dates. Later herbal abortifacients included the long-extinct silphium, the most prized medicinal plant of the ancient world, and pennyroyal, which is still sometimes used to induce abortions (but not safely, as it is highly toxic). In Aristophanes' Lysistrata, Calonice refers to a young woman as "well-cropped, and trimmed, and spruced with pennyroyal."
Abortion is never explicitly mentioned in the Bible, but we know that the ancient Egyptians, Persians, and Romans, among others, would have practiced it during their respective eras. The absence of any discussion of abortion in the Bible is conspicuous, and later authorities attempted to close the gap.
The Babylonian Talmud (Niddah 23a) suggests a Jewish response, by a Rabbi Meir, that would have been consistent with contemporaneous secular sources permitting abortion during early pregnancy: "[A woman] can only abort something in the shape of a stone, and that can only be described as a lump." Chapter two of an early Christian text prohibits all abortion but does so only within the context of a longer passage that also condemns theft, covetousness, perjury, hypocrisy, and pride. Abortion is never mentioned in the Qur'an, and later Muslim scholars hold a range of views regarding the morality of the practice--some holding that it is always unacceptable, others holding that it is acceptable up to the 16th week of pregnancy.
Earliest Legal Ban on Abortion
The earliest legal ban on abortion dates from the 11th-century BCE Code of Assura and imposes the death penalty on married women who procure abortions without the permission of their husbands. We know that some regions of ancient Greece also had some sort of ban on abortion, because there are fragments of speeches from the ancient Greek lawyer-orator Lysias (445-380 BCE) in which he defends a woman accused of having an abortion. But, much like the Code of Assura, it may have only applied in cases where the husband had not granted permission for the pregnancy to be terminated. The Hippocratic Oath forbade physicians from inducing elective abortions (requiring that physicians vow "not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion"), but Aristotle held that abortion was ethical if performed during the first trimester of pregnancy, writing in the Historia Animalium that there is a distinctive change that takes place early in the second trimester:
About this period (the ninetieth day) the embryo begins to resolve into distinct parts, it having hitherto consisted of a fleshlike substance without distinction of parts. What is called effluxion is a destruction of the embryo within the first week, while abortion occurs up to the fortieth day; and the greater number of such embryos as perish do so within the space of these forty days.
As far as we know, surgical abortion was not common until the end of the 19th century and would have been reckless prior to the invention of the Hegar dilator in 1879, which made dilation-and-curettage (D&C) possible. But pharmaceutically-induced abortions, different in function and similar in effect, were extremely common in the ancient world. When Did Abortion Begin?
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Informative! I had a pretty good inkling that pharmaceutical and chemical abortions were as old as humanity, but the fact that it entered the political arena that early in history is eye opening.
Still doesn't take away any shame from either the modern industry of abortion, or those who would prefer burrying their heads in the sand to discussing healthy sexual practices with teens and young people.
Still doesn't take away any shame from either the modern industry of abortion, or those who would prefer burrying their heads in the sand to discussing healthy sexual practices with teens and young people.
If we haven't already passed the 50-million mark of abortions since Roe v. Wade, I'd be surprised, Joe. I only know that abortions end a family's future if all its children use it when other methods of birth control failed them. And societies that just suffered the loss of ten thousand men and women due to war and the enemy setting fire to all the homes, the ones who are left see the light about the importance of reproductive life. Mankind has a pragmatic world when undoing a pinch.Informative! I had a pretty good inkling that pharmaceutical and chemical abortions were as old as humanity, but the fact that it entered the political arena that early in history is eye opening.
Still doesn't take away any shame from either the modern industry of abortion, or those who would prefer burrying their heads in the sand to discussing healthy sexual practices with teens and young people.
Well, that may be so, but it has everything to do with family being everything to those Americans who engage in family training through their churches, a legacy left to us by our pilgrim ancestors who landed at Plymouth rock, seeking asylum from severe religious persecution that drove them away from parts the old world.which has zero to do with the animal kingdom.....~S~
I like the way Joe introduced this topic of family being everything. When I got an embroidery machine one Christmas, I made all kinds of decorations on clothings. My favorite skirt for at least a decade was blue with white flowers and sayings on it. One said "family forever," and when I saw Joe's topic, that old skirt was the first thing I thought of, because I adored my kids and husband. I had a cinderella world until the day he died. Where did 44 years go? It all just seemed so short and precious when I thought it over.
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Informative! I had a pretty good inkling that pharmaceutical and chemical abortions were as old as humanity, but the fact that it entered the political arena that early in history is eye opening.
Still doesn't take away any shame from either the modern industry of abortion, or those who would prefer burrying their heads in the sand to discussing healthy sexual practices with teens and young people.
If we haven't already passed the 50-million mark of abortions since Roe v. Wade, I'd be surprised, Joe. I only know that abortions end a family's future if all its children use it when other methods of birth control failed them. And societies that just suffered the loss of ten thousand men and women due to war and the enemy setting fire to all the homes, the ones who are left see the light about the importance of reproductive life. Mankind has a pragmatic world when undoing a pinch.
I agree. It's a very sad part of modern life. It takes an industry either making bank or working for a government to produce those kinds of numbers. I am thankful that I've never had a seat at a kitchen table where a family was agonizing over an abortion decision. Truly thankful. Thankful enough to feel uncomfortable taking that option away from other families.
I'm definitely NOT fond of the practice as a for profit industry... especially when that industry is being used to clean-up a simple lack of funding for effective sex education. I would much rather see my tax dollars go to educating both boys and girls beyond the need for Medicaid Abortions.
A true Capitalist seeks to limit the market for abortions not by legislating the supply, but by educating the demand.
A Socialist calls for laws.
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which has zero to do with the animal kingdom.....~S~
Sure it does!
Monkeys are the semi-Sentient animals who're agonizing over the politics and profitability of abortion as an industry, no?
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Well, that may be so, but it has everything to do with family being everything to those Americans who engage in family training through their churches, a legacy left to us by our pilgrim ancestors who landed at Plymouth rock, seeking asylum from severe religious persecution that drove them away from parts the old world.which has zero to do with the animal kingdom.....~S~
I like the way Joe introduced this topic of family being everything. When I got an embroidery machine one Christmas, I made all kinds of decorations on clothings. My favorite skirt for at least a decade was blue with white flowers and sayings on it. One said "family forever," and when I saw Joe's topic, that old skirt was the first thing I thought of, because I adored my kids and husband. I had a cinderella world until the day he died. Where did 44 years go? It all just seemed so short and precious when I thought it over.
Family IS everything. The odds of success, both personal, with regards to our own short ride on this Timeline, and Evolutionary, keeping our own DNA cascading up the Timeline, decrease exponentially without Family. Family is our first and last security. Just ask any orphaned child or neglected senior.
It's the political understanding of the security of family that will save this planet from itself and birth a Sentient World from a living planet one day soon.
The first generation to understand the concepts of 'Survival of The Species' and 'The Human Family' gets video streams of their grand kids exploring the stars.
Family rocks
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