Wyatt earp
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It was attached to the highway bill, they knew the house was not interested.
Put it up on it's own merit .
Debate Now "Facts" you know that are wrong.
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Put it up on it's own merit .
Dad2three
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Jon Geenen, an International Vice President with the United Steelworkers wrote a long post on the union’s blog entitled A Well Intentioned Bad Idea. While Geenen’s post was not a defense of the Koch brothers’ politics, it was a defense of Koch Industries, both as an employer and, more importantly, a unionized employer:
LOL
Koch Brothers Takes $88 Million in Corporate Welfare
Mar 9, 2014 - Koch Brothers likes to champion themselves as crusaders against the welfare state
7 Disturbing Facts About the Koch Brothers' Relationship with Race and Civil Rights
The Kochs are known for destroying the environment, but their civil rights record isn't so great either.
1. Kochs' union-busting efforts hurt African American mobility.
Though unions have been known to increase the economic mobility of African-American workers, Koch-funded organizations have been very active in destroying anything that's left of them. Koch-backed organizations like Americans for Prosperity, the Cato Institute, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, and the Reason Foundation have long viewed public sector unions with disdain.
2. Koch brothers' secret billionaire summit hosts known racist.
3. Koch-backed organization blasts AARP over its opposition to Minnesota voter ID amendment.
4. The Kochs fund climate-change denial research that hurts poor communities.
5. The Koch brothers are against raising the minimum wage.
6. David Koch ran on presidential ticket that called for ending Social Security.
7. The Kochs' father was an original member of an anti-civil rights organization.
7 Disturbing Facts About the Koch Brothers Relationship with Race and Civil Rights Alternet
It's Official: One Koch Brother Equals 515,000 Union Members
Comparing The Koch Brothers Influence To Labor The New Republic
11 things the Koch brothers don’t want you to know
1. The family’s $100 billion fortune comes mostly from a massive network of oil and gas pipelines, and investments in other polluting industries like paper and plastics. The brothers inherited the seed money for their holdings from their father Fred Koch, who made his first fortune building oil pipelines for the Russian dictator Joseph Stalin in the 1930s. Back in the states, Fred Koch supported racial segregation and white supremacist groups like the John Birch Society.
11 things the Koch brothers don t want you to know - Salon.com
Dad2three
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Like ALL bills are in Congress right? lol
Wyatt earp
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YOUR FIRST LINK
Jon Geenen, an International Vice President with the United Steelworkers wrote a long post on the union’s blog entitled A Well Intentioned Bad Idea. While Geenen’s post was not a defense of the Koch brothers’ politics, it was a defense of Koch Industries, both as an employer and, more importantly, a unionized employer:
LOL
Koch Brothers Takes $88 Million in Corporate Welfare
Mar 9, 2014 - Koch Brothers likes to champion themselves as crusaders against the welfare state
7 Disturbing Facts About the Koch Brothers' Relationship with Race and Civil Rights
The Kochs are known for destroying the environment, but their civil rights record isn't so great either.
1. Kochs' union-busting efforts hurt African American mobility.
Though unions have been known to increase the economic mobility of African-American workers, Koch-funded organizations have been very active in destroying anything that's left of them. Koch-backed organizations like Americans for Prosperity, the Cato Institute, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, and the Reason Foundation have long viewed public sector unions with disdain.
2. Koch brothers' secret billionaire summit hosts known racist.
3. Koch-backed organization blasts AARP over its opposition to Minnesota voter ID amendment.
4. The Kochs fund climate-change denial research that hurts poor communities.
5. The Koch brothers are against raising the minimum wage.
6. David Koch ran on presidential ticket that called for ending Social Security.
7. The Kochs' father was an original member of an anti-civil rights organization.
7 Disturbing Facts About the Koch Brothers Relationship with Race and Civil Rights Alternet
It's Official: One Koch Brother Equals 515,000 Union Members
Comparing The Koch Brothers Influence To Labor The New Republic
11 things the Koch brothers don’t want you to know
1. The family’s $100 billion fortune comes mostly from a massive network of oil and gas pipelines, and investments in other polluting industries like paper and plastics. The brothers inherited the seed money for their holdings from their father Fred Koch, who made his first fortune building oil pipelines for the Russian dictator Joseph Stalin in the 1930s. Back in the states, Fred Koch supported racial segregation and white supremacist groups like the John Birch Society.
11 things the Koch brothers don t want you to know - Salon.com
You like normal are a waste of time,
Boeing's 13 billion dollars to the Koch brothers 88 million dollars is waaaaaaaaay smaller, the dumb ass article in the link don't even say how the got it
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rdean
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And yet they are able to help hundreds of businesses in a single state? How can that be?
Wyatt earp
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So let's get this straight...for years you have been complaining about corporate welfare now you are defending it? 12 republicans and 23 democrats disagree in the senate.
C_Clayton_Jones
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The problem is that conservatives craft their lies in such a manner as to grossly oversimplify an issue and contrive the lie from that gross oversimplification.
Take for example the rightwing lie that President Obama was going to 'ban' AR 15 ammunition.
In fact, the issue had nothing to do with the president, as the ATF was merely considering reclassifying M855 5.56 mm NATO ammunition, not all types of 5.56 mm NATO that will chamber in an AR 15, such as M193 cartridges and other similar ammunition with a FMJ and lead core.
The lie, of course, was concealing the fact that even if M855 rounds were 'banned,' which did not come to pass, there would still be ample other types of ammunition available.
Needless to say, however, by the time conservatives had propagated their 'Obama is banning AR 15 ammunition' lie, few were paying attention to the fact that it was indeed a lie, where it had been repeated often enough to be perceived as 'true.'
Take for example the rightwing lie that President Obama was going to 'ban' AR 15 ammunition.
In fact, the issue had nothing to do with the president, as the ATF was merely considering reclassifying M855 5.56 mm NATO ammunition, not all types of 5.56 mm NATO that will chamber in an AR 15, such as M193 cartridges and other similar ammunition with a FMJ and lead core.
The lie, of course, was concealing the fact that even if M855 rounds were 'banned,' which did not come to pass, there would still be ample other types of ammunition available.
Needless to say, however, by the time conservatives had propagated their 'Obama is banning AR 15 ammunition' lie, few were paying attention to the fact that it was indeed a lie, where it had been repeated often enough to be perceived as 'true.'
Dad2three
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YOUR FIRST LINK
Jon Geenen, an International Vice President with the United Steelworkers wrote a long post on the union’s blog entitled A Well Intentioned Bad Idea. While Geenen’s post was not a defense of the Koch brothers’ politics, it was a defense of Koch Industries, both as an employer and, more importantly, a unionized employer:
LOL
Koch Brothers Takes $88 Million in Corporate Welfare
Mar 9, 2014 - Koch Brothers likes to champion themselves as crusaders against the welfare state
7 Disturbing Facts About the Koch Brothers' Relationship with Race and Civil Rights
The Kochs are known for destroying the environment, but their civil rights record isn't so great either.
1. Kochs' union-busting efforts hurt African American mobility.
Though unions have been known to increase the economic mobility of African-American workers, Koch-funded organizations have been very active in destroying anything that's left of them. Koch-backed organizations like Americans for Prosperity, the Cato Institute, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, and the Reason Foundation have long viewed public sector unions with disdain.
2. Koch brothers' secret billionaire summit hosts known racist.
3. Koch-backed organization blasts AARP over its opposition to Minnesota voter ID amendment.
4. The Kochs fund climate-change denial research that hurts poor communities.
5. The Koch brothers are against raising the minimum wage.
6. David Koch ran on presidential ticket that called for ending Social Security.
7. The Kochs' father was an original member of an anti-civil rights organization.
7 Disturbing Facts About the Koch Brothers Relationship with Race and Civil Rights Alternet
It's Official: One Koch Brother Equals 515,000 Union Members
Comparing The Koch Brothers Influence To Labor The New Republic
11 things the Koch brothers don’t want you to know
1. The family’s $100 billion fortune comes mostly from a massive network of oil and gas pipelines, and investments in other polluting industries like paper and plastics. The brothers inherited the seed money for their holdings from their father Fred Koch, who made his first fortune building oil pipelines for the Russian dictator Joseph Stalin in the 1930s. Back in the states, Fred Koch supported racial segregation and white supremacist groups like the John Birch Society.
11 things the Koch brothers don t want you to know - Salon.com
You like normal are a waste of time,
Boeing's 13 billion dollars to the Koch brothers 88 million dollars is waaaaaaaaay smaller, the dumb ass article in the link don't even say how the got it
Got it, we are supposed to "believe" the Kochs, who hold a PRIVATE company and don't need to accept Gov't Corp welfare, want to abolish it, lol
C_Clayton_Jones
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Another recent rightwing lie concerned a veteran in Idaho, where conservatives contrived and propagated the lie that the VA was going to 'confiscate' the veteran's guns.
In fact, the VA sought to do no such thing, and acknowledged that it lacked the authority to 'confiscate' anything, much less guns.
One must wonder if this lie was the consequence of conservative ignorance of the law, where private property can't be 'confiscated' by government absent due process, a fair hearing, and just compensation, in accordance with Takings Clause jurisprudence; indeed, before any property can be 'confiscated,' a court must first issue a warrant allowing authorities to seize private property as required by the 4th Amendment.
Are most conservatives truly ignorant of these facts or are they so hell-bent on propagating their lies that they ignore the facts they know will expose their lies to indeed be lies.
In fact, the VA sought to do no such thing, and acknowledged that it lacked the authority to 'confiscate' anything, much less guns.
One must wonder if this lie was the consequence of conservative ignorance of the law, where private property can't be 'confiscated' by government absent due process, a fair hearing, and just compensation, in accordance with Takings Clause jurisprudence; indeed, before any property can be 'confiscated,' a court must first issue a warrant allowing authorities to seize private property as required by the 4th Amendment.
Are most conservatives truly ignorant of these facts or are they so hell-bent on propagating their lies that they ignore the facts they know will expose their lies to indeed be lies.
It doesn't. I don't get the purpose of this thread. Is it to articulate stereotypes and generalizations? Because that's already happening in like 99% of other threads.
Blanket statements are by definition fallacious. What use do they have?
Dad2three
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How else do you see Trump leading GOP polls? Non critical thinking who "believe" versus actually using cognitive thinking. Same pattern with FailinPalin and the serial tax raiser (on the middle class of course), run from terrorists Reagan....Right wingers today (cons) are lead by CATO, Heritage, Faux, Rushblo, etc. It's the ______ fault is their motto. NEVER accepting ANY responsibility for their failed policy OR even acknowledging it. Instead they prefer myths (see Ronnie Reagan)...
Sun Devil 92
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How about, the presidents are somehow responsible for the economy...directly.
They may have influence, but they don't pull levers and push buttons in such a way that they can actually dictate outcomes.
There is entire army of people behind the scenes...some not so far behind.
They may have influence, but they don't pull levers and push buttons in such a way that they can actually dictate outcomes.
There is entire army of people behind the scenes...some not so far behind.
Sun Devil 92
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Your sorry spamming ass really deserves no response. But since I look at your crapp from time to time (have to actually open it since you are on ignore for taking up so much bandwidth).
I am more liberal than I am conservative.
But this claim is what gives liberals a bad name (just like you do).
Here is the claim of the author
we demonstrate that these results are not robust, and appear to be driven by a non-traditional question wording for identifying liberals and conservatives. After correcting for this problem, there is no statistical difference between conservative and liberal giving,
How does he correct for the "problem". He never says.
Brooks laid all his data out there.
The author says he could never get his students to replicate Brooks data....to tired he said.
What a piss poor argument.
WelfareQueen
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Bill Clinton was never convicted of a felony.
He was cited for civil contempt of court. He was admonished by a Federal Court for lying under oath and perjury.
He surrendered his law license in Arkansas in a plea deal in order to avoid a criminal prosecution.
He was disbarred by the U.S. Supreme Court.
He was cited for civil contempt of court. He was admonished by a Federal Court for lying under oath and perjury.
He surrendered his law license in Arkansas in a plea deal in order to avoid a criminal prosecution.
He was disbarred by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Two Thumbs
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That's ironic.
Two Thumbs
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The rightwing lie that there is a difference between dems and socialists
Bleipriester
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Agenda posting is nonsense. Liberals, conservatives, democrats and republicans, are able to prove each other wrong. Guys, you are both wrong. You are heading towards economic and social collapse, while you are busy to work with the pickaxe on each other over nonsense that suggests you have no real problems. This is basically what I am telling to my countrymenInnen, as well.
Two Thumbs
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That evul con lie that free stuff can't come from the government.
Of course it's free, with $18 Trillion in debt, we haven't paid for shit in a long time.
Of course it's free, with $18 Trillion in debt, we haven't paid for shit in a long time.
Dad2three
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The PRZ is THE MOST responsible for the economy. Just look to Harding/Coolidge/Reagan/Dubya to see when you "don't believe in Gov't regulators" what happens!
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