Facts About Judaism

[ding]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

Birds of a feather flock together.

And that's why the bird has a relatively constant number of feathers,
that her bad ones die off, so that she can fly.

I'm sorry if my post interrupted your flocking with the liberation theory theologian. Please carry on. The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

 

[shimon]

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
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in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

You sure can Yammer away without saying anything pertinent and by the way ancient Israel was far from a “ desert religion” the place was covered by huge forested areas as was most of the Fertile Crescent same goes for Southern Europe and other areas of the planet why don’t you refer to them derogatorily as desert areas as well...I guess you “ breezed” over that in your wandering through the “ wood”...

 

[LA RAM FAN]

http://www.jewfaq.org/index.shtml

Many people know very little about Judaism. This site will answer most any questions you have.
Not all Jews do things exactly the same. There are 3 main denominations:Orthodox, Conservative and Reform. Orthodox are the most dedicated of the 3. Reform are the most casual.

Jews are a tiny minority. There are only 13 million Jews worldwide, which represents only 0.2% of the population.

what a lot of people dont understand is judaism jewish folks are good people,they want to reform their corrupt government in Israel which is run by the zionists. I love it when people put their foot in their mouth here when i say how the zionists of Israel are evil warmongers being called an anti semtic.

problem with their babble is that does not work sense the good jewish folks judaism jewish people,are sick of their corruption of the zionists as well.LOL comedy gold.

 

[BreezeWood]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

 

[irosie91]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

 

[BreezeWood]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

.

is that the best you can do?

.
that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

 

[irosie91]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

.

is that the best you can do?

.
that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

what "outcome" was my doing? -----I haven't been out of my tiny residence for MONTHS

 

[ding]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

.

is that the best you can do?

.
that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

what "outcome" was my doing? -----I haven't been out of my tiny residence for MONTHS

I am so glad that you get to experience breezewood

 

[irosie91]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

.

is that the best you can do?

.
that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

what "outcome" was my doing? -----I haven't been out of my tiny residence for MONTHS

I am so glad that you get to experience breezewood

nothing new----long long ago as an undergraduate---a person from a nearby school used to seek me out
to discuss religion. He had been a divinity student
in a catholic college and "knew" the "magic numbers" in the talmud (?????)

 

[ding]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

.

is that the best you can do?

.
that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

what "outcome" was my doing? -----I haven't been out of my tiny residence for MONTHS

I am so glad that you get to experience breezewood

nothing new----long long ago as an undergraduate---a person from a nearby school used to seek me out
to discuss religion. He had been a divinity student
in a catholic college and "knew" the "magic numbers" in the talmud (?????)

I can't imagine you ever discussing religion. You are more of a politics person.

Also not surprised that that is what you compared breezewood to. smh.

 

[rylah]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

.

is that the best you can do?

.
that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

what "outcome" was my doing? -----I haven't been out of my tiny residence for MONTHS

I am so glad that you get to experience breezewood

nothing new----long long ago as an undergraduate---a person from a nearby school used to seek me out
to discuss religion. He had been a divinity student
in a catholic college and "knew" the "magic numbers" in the talmud (?????)

I can't imagine you ever discussing religion. You are more of a politics person.

Also not surprised that that is what you compared breezewood to. smh.

Only because you don't see the connection between the two.
In Judaism the G-dly is in every aspect of life, politics and even religion.

 

[ding]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

.

is that the best you can do?

.
that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

what "outcome" was my doing? -----I haven't been out of my tiny residence for MONTHS

I am so glad that you get to experience breezewood

nothing new----long long ago as an undergraduate---a person from a nearby school used to seek me out
to discuss religion. He had been a divinity student
in a catholic college and "knew" the "magic numbers" in the talmud (?????)

I can't imagine you ever discussing religion. You are more of a politics person.

Also not surprised that that is what you compared breezewood to. smh.

Only because you don't see the connection between the two.
In Judaism the G-dly is in every aspect of life, politics and even religion.

The problem is when they confuse the two. One is worshiping the Creator. The other is worshiping the created. Politics and religion included.

 

[rylah]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

.

is that the best you can do?

.
that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

what "outcome" was my doing? -----I haven't been out of my tiny residence for MONTHS

I am so glad that you get to experience breezewood

nothing new----long long ago as an undergraduate---a person from a nearby school used to seek me out
to discuss religion. He had been a divinity student
in a catholic college and "knew" the "magic numbers" in the talmud (?????)

I can't imagine you ever discussing religion. You are more of a politics person.

Also not surprised that that is what you compared breezewood to. smh.

Only because you don't see the connection between the two.
In Judaism the G-dly is in every aspect of life, politics and even religion.

The problem is when they confuse the two. One is worshiping the Creator. The other is worshiping the created. Politics and religion included.

I agree, when a religion associates divinity with the created it's essentially flawed,
as much as politics in which the politicians are venerated as divine is not the correct way.

However, there's a Torah commandment to set a government and king,
and if that is what you call worshiping the created, then your problem is with G-d's word, not people.

 

[ding]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

.

is that the best you can do?

.
that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

what "outcome" was my doing? -----I haven't been out of my tiny residence for MONTHS

I am so glad that you get to experience breezewood

nothing new----long long ago as an undergraduate---a person from a nearby school used to seek me out
to discuss religion. He had been a divinity student
in a catholic college and "knew" the "magic numbers" in the talmud (?????)

I can't imagine you ever discussing religion. You are more of a politics person.

Also not surprised that that is what you compared breezewood to. smh.

Only because you don't see the connection between the two.
In Judaism the G-dly is in every aspect of life, politics and even religion.

The problem is when they confuse the two. One is worshiping the Creator. The other is worshiping the created. Politics and religion included.

I agree, when a religion associates divinity with the created it's essentially flawed,
as much as politics in which the politicians are venerated as divine is not the correct way.

However, there's a Torah commandment to set a government and king,
and if that is what you call worshiping the created, then your problem is with G-d's word, not people.

You can tell what people worship by their behaviors.

I know what you did there and that's you putting your religion above God.

You aren't God. You don't speak for God.

 

[rylah]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

.

is that the best you can do?

.
that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

what "outcome" was my doing? -----I haven't been out of my tiny residence for MONTHS

I am so glad that you get to experience breezewood

nothing new----long long ago as an undergraduate---a person from a nearby school used to seek me out
to discuss religion. He had been a divinity student
in a catholic college and "knew" the "magic numbers" in the talmud (?????)

I can't imagine you ever discussing religion. You are more of a politics person.

Also not surprised that that is what you compared breezewood to. smh.

Only because you don't see the connection between the two.
In Judaism the G-dly is in every aspect of life, politics and even religion.

The problem is when they confuse the two. One is worshiping the Creator. The other is worshiping the created. Politics and religion included.

I agree, when a religion associates divinity with the created it's essentially flawed,
as much as politics in which the politicians are venerated as divine is not the correct way.

However, there's a Torah commandment to set a government and king,
and if that is what you call worshiping the created, then your problem is with G-d's word, not people.

You can tell what people worship by their behaviors.

I know what you did there and that's you putting your religion above God.

You aren't God. You don't speak for God.

Is that your excuse for worshiping a dead guy?

Unimpressive...

 

[ding]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

.

is that the best you can do?

.
that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

what "outcome" was my doing? -----I haven't been out of my tiny residence for MONTHS

I am so glad that you get to experience breezewood

nothing new----long long ago as an undergraduate---a person from a nearby school used to seek me out
to discuss religion. He had been a divinity student
in a catholic college and "knew" the "magic numbers" in the talmud (?????)

I can't imagine you ever discussing religion. You are more of a politics person.

Also not surprised that that is what you compared breezewood to. smh.

Only because you don't see the connection between the two.
In Judaism the G-dly is in every aspect of life, politics and even religion.

The problem is when they confuse the two. One is worshiping the Creator. The other is worshiping the created. Politics and religion included.

I agree, when a religion associates divinity with the created it's essentially flawed,
as much as politics in which the politicians are venerated as divine is not the correct way.

However, there's a Torah commandment to set a government and king,
and if that is what you call worshiping the created, then your problem is with G-d's word, not people.

You can tell what people worship by their behaviors.

I know what you did there and that's you putting your religion above God.

You aren't God. You don't speak for God.

You know nothing.
Strawman fallacies is all you capable of?

If you are going to attack someone else's faith, you shouldn't be a coward about it.

 

[ding]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

.

is that the best you can do?

.
that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

what "outcome" was my doing? -----I haven't been out of my tiny residence for MONTHS

I am so glad that you get to experience breezewood

nothing new----long long ago as an undergraduate---a person from a nearby school used to seek me out
to discuss religion. He had been a divinity student
in a catholic college and "knew" the "magic numbers" in the talmud (?????)

I can't imagine you ever discussing religion. You are more of a politics person.

Also not surprised that that is what you compared breezewood to. smh.

Only because you don't see the connection between the two.
In Judaism the G-dly is in every aspect of life, politics and even religion.

The problem is when they confuse the two. One is worshiping the Creator. The other is worshiping the created. Politics and religion included.

I agree, when a religion associates divinity with the created it's essentially flawed,
as much as politics in which the politicians are venerated as divine is not the correct way.

However, there's a Torah commandment to set a government and king,
and if that is what you call worshiping the created, then your problem is with G-d's word, not people.

You can tell what people worship by their behaviors.

I know what you did there and that's you putting your religion above God.

You aren't God. You don't speak for God.

Give me a break,
is that your excuse for worshiping a dead guy?

How many times you going to edit your post?

 

[ding]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

.

is that the best you can do?

.
that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

what "outcome" was my doing? -----I haven't been out of my tiny residence for MONTHS

I am so glad that you get to experience breezewood

nothing new----long long ago as an undergraduate---a person from a nearby school used to seek me out
to discuss religion. He had been a divinity student
in a catholic college and "knew" the "magic numbers" in the talmud (?????)

I can't imagine you ever discussing religion. You are more of a politics person.

Also not surprised that that is what you compared breezewood to. smh.

Only because you don't see the connection between the two.
In Judaism the G-dly is in every aspect of life, politics and even religion.

The problem is when they confuse the two. One is worshiping the Creator. The other is worshiping the created. Politics and religion included.

I agree, when a religion associates divinity with the created it's essentially flawed,
as much as politics in which the politicians are venerated as divine is not the correct way.

However, there's a Torah commandment to set a government and king,
and if that is what you call worshiping the created, then your problem is with G-d's word, not people.

You can tell what people worship by their behaviors.

I know what you did there and that's you putting your religion above God.

You aren't God. You don't speak for God.

Is that your excuse for worshiping a dead guy?

Unimpressive...

That's three.

 

[rylah]

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

mm

there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

.
so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

.
no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
.
View attachment 387890
.
in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

.
the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

.
that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
.

A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

.
yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

.

what "truly chosen example"?

.
of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

.

is that the best you can do?

.
that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

what "outcome" was my doing? -----I haven't been out of my tiny residence for MONTHS

I am so glad that you get to experience breezewood

nothing new----long long ago as an undergraduate---a person from a nearby school used to seek me out
to discuss religion. He had been a divinity student
in a catholic college and "knew" the "magic numbers" in the talmud (?????)

I can't imagine you ever discussing religion. You are more of a politics person.

Also not surprised that that is what you compared breezewood to. smh.

Only because you don't see the connection between the two.
In Judaism the G-dly is in every aspect of life, politics and even religion.

The problem is when they confuse the two. One is worshiping the Creator. The other is worshiping the created. Politics and religion included.

I agree, when a religion associates divinity with the created it's essentially flawed,
as much as politics in which the politicians are venerated as divine is not the correct way.

However, there's a Torah commandment to set a government and king,
and if that is what you call worshiping the created, then your problem is with G-d's word, not people.

You can tell what people worship by their behaviors.

I know what you did there and that's you putting your religion above God.

You aren't God. You don't speak for God.

Give me a break,
is that your excuse for worshiping a dead guy?

How many times you going to edit your post?

Depends, stop trolling the thread.

 

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there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

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so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

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Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

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no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
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in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

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there was ABSOLUTELY no reason for Mary to go to Bethlehem even if it was the ancestral land of Joseph. In those days and for thousands of years--PREGNANT jewish girls had their babies in the houses of their MOTHERS or other female relatives. They did not go off on a donkey on a long arduous journey whilst "HEAVY WITH CHILD" ---to unknown accommodations and no female relatives.
That part of the story never made sense to me.

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so are the brave, mary.

they were itinerants, as was jesus to follow surly not the clan type of their prototype jewish culture. then or now.

Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

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Trying to conceal a bastard's identity is not bravery.

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no, they were not trying to conceal anything - your complaint is with the crucifiers and their 4th century fallacies they used to ingratiate themselves at the itinerants expense.
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in fact they were blessed in their travel by three wise men guided by a star in the heavens.

the opening scene in itself is the liberation theology of innocence the 1st century was to witness before its tragic conclusion in darkness. by the sinners.

When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

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When you try to be all things to all people’s and tell a tall tale you always end up tripping over your lies.... Your good book the New Testament does not specifically mention three wise men.. It uses possibly plural as in more then one but not three specifically.. Keep that in mind...

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the book of forgeries and fallacies obscures the truths of its recordings for uses by their false religion to reconstitute their meaning for what purposes are beneficial for them the same as all the documents of the desert religions - as have stated, there never were etched tablets by the Almighty as claimed by the jews through moses. in their book.

just supposing an illuminated star did bring to the location travelers of high regard to the birth of a certain person as factual is a significant recording and an opening scene as a sign from the metaphysical for future events that did occur. the attempted restoration of the religion of antiquity, liberation theology (generic) and the means for a freed spirit's admission to the Everlasting.

sorry folks it seems clear to me that CONSTANTINE
had an agenda when it came to christianity (and maybe paul and a few other people) WORLD RELIGION. Way back then all of Persia was ZOROASTRIAN and that religion also was in competition (of a sort---at least demographically, with Buddhism) to the east. The THREE WISE GUYS legend
was a draw gimmick. In fact the entire ---born in a
stable story, IMHO, is contrived. Does anyone know out there amongst us cyberbuddies. ----re census----
were there MASS population shifts to the "ancestral lands" ???

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oh--you believe that BS too........ ---they stopped at a MOTEL and the nasty jew who owned the motel told them "UP YOURS"

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that is the setting for the future events to learn from their ingratitude, not to repeat them - iro 91.
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A bastard born out of wedding relations with a foreign Roman soldier is "liberation theology".
And the death of the bastard is "tragedy" in spite being the whole point of his mythological status.

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yes, that is the point that for the centuries since has been your downfall, the desert religions and the separation from the Almighty's truly chosen example. for the cohesion necessary for an enlightened humanity.

what "truly chosen example"?

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what "truly chosen example"?

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of purity and innocence ....

is that the best you can do?

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is that the best you can do?

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that's all that mattered, the outcome was your doing.

what "outcome" was my doing? -----I haven't been out of my tiny residence for MONTHS

I am so glad that you get to experience breezewood

nothing new----long long ago as an undergraduate---a person from a nearby school used to seek me out
to discuss religion. He had been a divinity student
in a catholic college and "knew" the "magic numbers" in the talmud (?????)

I can't imagine you ever discussing religion. You are more of a politics person.

Also not surprised that that is what you compared breezewood to. smh.

Only because you don't see the connection between the two.
In Judaism the G-dly is in every aspect of life, politics and even religion.

The problem is when they confuse the two. One is worshiping the Creator. The other is worshiping the created. Politics and religion included.

I agree, when a religion associates divinity with the created it's essentially flawed,
as much as politics in which the politicians are venerated as divine is not the correct way.

However, there's a Torah commandment to set a government and king,
and if that is what you call worshiping the created, then your problem is with G-d's word, not people.

You can tell what people worship by their behaviors.

I know what you did there and that's you putting your religion above God.

You aren't God. You don't speak for God.

Give me a break,
is that your excuse for worshiping a dead guy?

How many times you going to edit your post?

Depends.

Just let me know when you are done.