Extremism wins, ideas lose

[RandallFlagg]

This is why there is no Democratic equivalent of Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, no endless drumbeat of hate speech pounding across the flyover states 24/7, no incessant wails of fear, racism, hatred of Other. Liberal ideology prohibits such harsh machinery. The Dems are the party of the smart, the city, the college-educated, the critical thinker. Nearly every major metropolis votes blue, and every significant college town, and scientist, and artist, and creative entrepreneur.

Extremism wins ideas lose The irony of the spineless Democrats - Notes Errata by Mark Morford

need a tissue or a tampon.

socialist talk show hosts fail in a market driven reality

MSNBC is worse than fox and the MSM are all Obama FLUFFERS

DEMS are the party of NEEDY children who are ruled by Dem elites who use the votes of the needy to gain the power and wealth those elites have usually failed to obtain in the private sector

That's part of the problem (to the OP). The Free Market. I remember "liberal" talk radio. Lasted what? 6 months? Lost all their sponsors and shut down. Nobody wants to listen to that garbage......especially that Jeanne Garofalo broad.....

you're right, nobody wants to listen to it... the question you should be asking though is why? clearly there are enough liberals to support it, why is it that conservatives are willing to listen to host after host parrot the same talking points, nodding their heads in agreement, and liberals are not willing to do the same thing?

Quite frankly, Liberals have nothing to say. America understands that liberals are a dangerous breed of humans that want to destroy America and take us (kicking and screaming) into a quasi-communist state where every action and thought of each American is controlled by the "state".

Woodstock died in 1969. Thank God.

 

[Avatar4321]

This is why there is no Democratic equivalent of Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, no endless drumbeat of hate speech pounding across the flyover states 24/7, no incessant wails of fear, racism, hatred of Other. Liberal ideology prohibits such harsh machinery. The Dems are the party of the smart, the city, the college-educated, the critical thinker. Nearly every major metropolis votes blue, and every significant college town, and scientist, and artist, and creative entrepreneur.

Extremism wins ideas lose The irony of the spineless Democrats - Notes Errata by Mark Morford

if this is an example of smart, educated, critical thinking then you have a huge disconnect with reality

 

[ogibillm]

ideas didn't lose. nobody was offering any.

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

will they actually be voted on? dems can still filibuster whatever they want.
and you can tout 6 years of senators not having to vote on anything - that's fine. republicans haven't had to vote on anything, either. now that they're in control of congress, they have to be able to show they can govern effectively, which means sending reasonable bills to the president. i don't think that will happen, i think you'll get some show pieces they know will be vetoed, and some witch hunts in the senate in the style of darrel issa, but actual work in the congress will not happen.

 

[skookerasbil]

This is why there is no Democratic equivalent of Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, no endless drumbeat of hate speech pounding across the flyover states 24/7, no incessant wails of fear, racism, hatred of Other. Liberal ideology prohibits such harsh machinery. The Dems are the party of the smart, the city, the college-educated, the critical thinker. Nearly every major metropolis votes blue, and every significant college town, and scientist, and artist, and creative entrepreneur.

Extremism wins ideas lose The irony of the spineless Democrats - Notes Errata by Mark Morford

nobody cares s0n.

You assholes got your clocks cleaned on Tuesday and everybody knows it except the k00ks.

Our turn to laugh our balls off!!!



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[RandallFlagg]

ideas didn't lose. nobody was offering any.

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

will they actually be voted on? dems can still filibuster whatever they want.
and you can tout 6 years of senators not having to vote on anything - that's fine. republicans haven't had to vote on anything, either. now that they're in control of congress, they have to be able to show they can govern effectively, which means sending reasonable bills to the president. i don't think that will happen, i think you'll get some show pieces they know will be vetoed, and some witch hunts in the senate in the style of darrel issa, but actual work in the congress will not happen.

Um, no. Harry Reid changed the rules - remember? I also recall McConnell telling Reid that it was fine - it WILL come back to bite you on the ass. And it will.


U.S. Senate goes nuclear changes filibuster rules

 

[Redfish]

ideas didn't lose. nobody was offering any.

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

will they actually be voted on? dems can still filibuster whatever they want.
and you can tout 6 years of senators not having to vote on anything - that's fine. republicans haven't had to vote on anything, either. now that they're in control of congress, they have to be able to show they can govern effectively, which means sending reasonable bills to the president. i don't think that will happen, i think you'll get some show pieces they know will be vetoed, and some witch hunts in the senate in the style of darrel issa, but actual work in the congress will not happen.

there are over 300 bills that reid has not let get a vote or floor debate in the senate. On day one of the new congress, McConnel needs to call for votes on every one of them. Then send them to obama for him to sign or veto, then the public can see where the obstruction really lies.

 

[ogibillm]

ideas didn't lose. nobody was offering any.

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

will they actually be voted on? dems can still filibuster whatever they want.
and you can tout 6 years of senators not having to vote on anything - that's fine. republicans haven't had to vote on anything, either. now that they're in control of congress, they have to be able to show they can govern effectively, which means sending reasonable bills to the president. i don't think that will happen, i think you'll get some show pieces they know will be vetoed, and some witch hunts in the senate in the style of darrel issa, but actual work in the congress will not happen.

there are over 300 bills that reid has not let get a vote or floor debate in the senate. On day one of the new congress, McConnel needs to call for votes on every one of them. Then send them to obama for him to sign or veto, then the public can see where the obstruction really lies.

and you think that the house passed those bills with the intention of them becoming law?

 

[Bfgrn]

ideas didn't lose. nobody was offering any.

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

Which bills should Reid have brought to the floor, the 54 House bills to repeal/defund the Affordable Care Act or the 191 house bills to eviscerate environmental protection?

 

[Freewill]

The democrat party is the party of narcissistic self absorbed egotists.

Eh? The egotists aren't the problem, its the collectivist/sheep candidates and voters that follow them. Leave a trail of beans and they follow.

If the Democrats had more egotists they would win more elections, instead they have career politicians that don't have any ideas of their own - and just get them from further up the chain.

I am thinking there are egotist sheep. I have not met many Democrats that don't think their crap doesn't stink. That some how, some way the party of slavery turned into the party of Lincoln. We have been telling them for years that the American people would catch on and now they know. But their egos won't let them think it has anything to do with them, it has to be some one else.

 

[Rotagilla]

ideas didn't lose. nobody was offering any.

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

will they actually be voted on? dems can still filibuster whatever they want.
and you can tout 6 years of senators not having to vote on anything - that's fine. republicans haven't had to vote on anything, either. now that they're in control of congress, they have to be able to show they can govern effectively, which means sending reasonable bills to the president. i don't think that will happen, i think you'll get some show pieces they know will be vetoed, and some witch hunts in the senate in the style of darrel issa, but actual work in the congress will not happen.

they don't have to send anything to the president to sign. They need to close and enforce the border first of all.
obama isn't going for that. let him veto it, then...they'll shred him for it.

They need to start to dismantle ACA.
obama isn't going for that. Let him veto it and watch as the wheels begin to come off.
They can close the purse strings and choke them both off.
america wants the borders closed..and america doesn't want ACA.

 

[RandallFlagg]

ideas didn't lose. nobody was offering any.

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

will they actually be voted on? dems can still filibuster whatever they want.
and you can tout 6 years of senators not having to vote on anything - that's fine. republicans haven't had to vote on anything, either. now that they're in control of congress, they have to be able to show they can govern effectively, which means sending reasonable bills to the president. i don't think that will happen, i think you'll get some show pieces they know will be vetoed, and some witch hunts in the senate in the style of darrel issa, but actual work in the congress will not happen.

By whose standard? You sound like the typical liberal who, for the last 8 years, has told the right to go pound sand and now that your collective asses have been kicked, are demanding "reasonable" actions be taken.....

Sorry guy, but that's no longer up to YOUR side.

 

[Redfish]

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

will they actually be voted on? dems can still filibuster whatever they want.
and you can tout 6 years of senators not having to vote on anything - that's fine. republicans haven't had to vote on anything, either. now that they're in control of congress, they have to be able to show they can govern effectively, which means sending reasonable bills to the president. i don't think that will happen, i think you'll get some show pieces they know will be vetoed, and some witch hunts in the senate in the style of darrel issa, but actual work in the congress will not happen.

there are over 300 bills that reid has not let get a vote or floor debate in the senate. On day one of the new congress, McConnel needs to call for votes on every one of them. Then send them to obama for him to sign or veto, then the public can see where the obstruction really lies.

and you think that the house passed those bills with the intention of them becoming law?

of course, why else?

 

[Redfish]

ideas didn't lose. nobody was offering any.

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

Which bills should Reid have brought to the floor, the 54 House bills to repeal/defund the Affordable Care Act or the 191 house bills to eviscerate environmental protection?

all of them. Reid and obama were afraid some of them might pass, thats why there were no votes in the senate. But your characterization of those bills is totally wrong, typical of a lying dem/lib.

 

[RandallFlagg]

ideas didn't lose. nobody was offering any.

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

Which bills should Reid have brought to the floor, the 54 House bills to repeal/defund the Affordable Care Act or the 191 house bills to eviscerate environmental protection?

You DO understand the way the legislative process works, right? The House proposes and funds and votes then sends the bills to the Senate for debate and vote who, in turn, returns the bill to the House for amendment or sends them to the president for his signature.

Of course Reid didn't have to call the Senate for a vote on repeating bills - but he HAD A RESPONSIBILITY to bring them to the floor for consideration or committee. He did neither. Choosing, instead to let them sit in a heap on the floor - doing EXACTLY what Barry had instructed him to do.

 

[RandallFlagg]

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

will they actually be voted on? dems can still filibuster whatever they want.
and you can tout 6 years of senators not having to vote on anything - that's fine. republicans haven't had to vote on anything, either. now that they're in control of congress, they have to be able to show they can govern effectively, which means sending reasonable bills to the president. i don't think that will happen, i think you'll get some show pieces they know will be vetoed, and some witch hunts in the senate in the style of darrel issa, but actual work in the congress will not happen.

there are over 300 bills that reid has not let get a vote or floor debate in the senate. On day one of the new congress, McConnel needs to call for votes on every one of them. Then send them to obama for him to sign or veto, then the public can see where the obstruction really lies.

and you think that the house passed those bills with the intention of them becoming law?

You are kidding, right?

 

[Bfgrn]

ideas didn't lose. nobody was offering any.

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

Which bills should Reid have brought to the floor, the 54 House bills to repeal/defund the Affordable Care Act or the 191 house bills to eviscerate environmental protection?

all of them. Reid and obama were afraid some of them might pass, thats why there were no votes in the senate. But your characterization of those bills is totally wrong, typical of a lying dem/lib.

REALLY? So, allowing smaller incinerators -- often in urban settings -- to burn tires, solvents, plastics, oil sludge and other toxic-laden substances for profit without any oversight or reporting requirements is GOOD for humans. Who would have guessed...poison is GOOD FOR US!!!

House Again Votes to Increase Mercury Pollution, Premature Death and Disease
H.R. 2250 promotes waste-burning, lets thousands of polluters escape clean air laws

October 13, 2011
Washington, D.C. —

By a vote of 275 to 142, the House of Representatives just passed H.R. 2250, a dangerous bill that allows mercury and other toxic air pollution to pour freely from thousands of the nation's worst air polluters. H.R. 2250 exempts industrial boilers (the on-site power plants at major industrial plants) and industrial waste incinerators from the Clean Air Act's pollution control requirements. It encourages companies to burn tires, plastics, used chemicals, spent solvents and other industrial wastes without doing anything to control the resulting toxic air pollution. And, adding insult to injury, it deprives people in neighboring communities of any ability to find out what wastes their dangerous neighbors are burning and what toxic pollutants they are emitting.

"By taking away pollution control requirements for industrial boilers and incinerators, H.R. 2250 would literally kill and sicken thousands of Americans," said Earthjustice attorney Jim Pew. "And what is simply appalling is that the industry lobbyists who pushed for this bill and the members of Congress who voted for it know these facts."

H.R. 2250 encourages industrial boilers and waste incinerators to burn tires, plastics, used chemicals, spent solvents and other industrial wastes without doing anything to control the resulting toxic air pollution.
(Lake Michigan Federation)

The bill is a gift to industries that have long fought for approval to burn industrial wastes in dirty, uncontrolled facilities rather than dispose of them safely. In a clear indication of the serious threat posed by H.R. 2250, the Obama administration last week indicated that it will veto H.R. 2250 and a similar bill (H.R. 2681) that exempts cement kilns from the Clean Air Act. H.R. 2681 passed the House on October 6, 2011 by a vote of 262 to 161.

The pollution control standards that the House voted to rescind today would save between 2,500 and 6,500 lives every year by reducing emissions of fine particulate pollution from the largest and worst polluters. Annually, these standards would also prevent thousands of heart attacks, asthma attacks, and emergency room visits, and hundreds of thousands of days of missed work and school that would otherwise be caused by pollution-related heart and respiratory illness. The standard's reductions of emissions of mercury, arsenic, and other highly toxic pollutants would prevent cancers, birth defects and other catastrophic diseases. Mercury exposure can cause serious developmental and brain damage to fetuses, babies and young children.

more

http://earthjustice.org/news/press/...ercury-pollution-premature-death-and-disease#

 

[Antares]

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

Which bills should Reid have brought to the floor, the 54 House bills to repeal/defund the Affordable Care Act or the 191 house bills to eviscerate environmental protection?

all of them. Reid and obama were afraid some of them might pass, thats why there were no votes in the senate. But your characterization of those bills is totally wrong, typical of a lying dem/lib.

REALLY? So, allowing smaller incinerators -- often in urban settings -- to burn tires, solvents, plastics, oil sludge and other toxic-laden substances for profit without any oversight or reporting requirements is GOOD for humans. Who would have guessed...poison is GOOD FOR US!!!

House Again Votes to Increase Mercury Pollution, Premature Death and Disease
H.R. 2250 promotes waste-burning, lets thousands of polluters escape clean air laws

October 13, 2011
Washington, D.C. —

By a vote of 275 to 142, the House of Representatives just passed H.R. 2250, a dangerous bill that allows mercury and other toxic air pollution to pour freely from thousands of the nation's worst air polluters. H.R. 2250 exempts industrial boilers (the on-site power plants at major industrial plants) and industrial waste incinerators from the Clean Air Act's pollution control requirements. It encourages companies to burn tires, plastics, used chemicals, spent solvents and other industrial wastes without doing anything to control the resulting toxic air pollution. And, adding insult to injury, it deprives people in neighboring communities of any ability to find out what wastes their dangerous neighbors are burning and what toxic pollutants they are emitting.

"By taking away pollution control requirements for industrial boilers and incinerators, H.R. 2250 would literally kill and sicken thousands of Americans," said Earthjustice attorney Jim Pew. "And what is simply appalling is that the industry lobbyists who pushed for this bill and the members of Congress who voted for it know these facts."

H.R. 2250 encourages industrial boilers and waste incinerators to burn tires, plastics, used chemicals, spent solvents and other industrial wastes without doing anything to control the resulting toxic air pollution.
(Lake Michigan Federation)

The bill is a gift to industries that have long fought for approval to burn industrial wastes in dirty, uncontrolled facilities rather than dispose of them safely. In a clear indication of the serious threat posed by H.R. 2250, the Obama administration last week indicated that it will veto H.R. 2250 and a similar bill (H.R. 2681) that exempts cement kilns from the Clean Air Act. H.R. 2681 passed the House on October 6, 2011 by a vote of 262 to 161.

The pollution control standards that the House voted to rescind today would save between 2,500 and 6,500 lives every year by reducing emissions of fine particulate pollution from the largest and worst polluters. Annually, these standards would also prevent thousands of heart attacks, asthma attacks, and emergency room visits, and hundreds of thousands of days of missed work and school that would otherwise be caused by pollution-related heart and respiratory illness. The standard's reductions of emissions of mercury, arsenic, and other highly toxic pollutants would prevent cancers, birth defects and other catastrophic diseases. Mercury exposure can cause serious developmental and brain damage to fetuses, babies and young children.

more

An article from "Earth Justice".

No bias there.

 

[Rotagilla]

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

Which bills should Reid have brought to the floor, the 54 House bills to repeal/defund the Affordable Care Act or the 191 house bills to eviscerate environmental protection?

all of them. Reid and obama were afraid some of them might pass, thats why there were no votes in the senate. But your characterization of those bills is totally wrong, typical of a lying dem/lib.

REALLY? So, allowing smaller incinerators -- often in urban settings -- to burn tires, solvents, plastics, oil sludge and other toxic-laden substances for profit without any oversight or reporting requirements is GOOD for humans. Who would have guessed...poison is GOOD FOR US!!!

House Again Votes to Increase Mercury Pollution, Premature Death and Disease
H.R. 2250 promotes waste-burning, lets thousands of polluters escape clean air laws

October 13, 2011
Washington, D.C. —

By a vote of 275 to 142, the House of Representatives just passed H.R. 2250, a dangerous bill that allows mercury and other toxic air pollution to pour freely from thousands of the nation's worst air polluters. H.R. 2250 exempts industrial boilers (the on-site power plants at major industrial plants) and industrial waste incinerators from the Clean Air Act's pollution control requirements. It encourages companies to burn tires, plastics, used chemicals, spent solvents and other industrial wastes without doing anything to control the resulting toxic air pollution. And, adding insult to injury, it deprives people in neighboring communities of any ability to find out what wastes their dangerous neighbors are burning and what toxic pollutants they are emitting.

"By taking away pollution control requirements for industrial boilers and incinerators, H.R. 2250 would literally kill and sicken thousands of Americans," said Earthjustice attorney Jim Pew. "And what is simply appalling is that the industry lobbyists who pushed for this bill and the members of Congress who voted for it know these facts."

H.R. 2250 encourages industrial boilers and waste incinerators to burn tires, plastics, used chemicals, spent solvents and other industrial wastes without doing anything to control the resulting toxic air pollution.
(Lake Michigan Federation)

The bill is a gift to industries that have long fought for approval to burn industrial wastes in dirty, uncontrolled facilities rather than dispose of them safely. In a clear indication of the serious threat posed by H.R. 2250, the Obama administration last week indicated that it will veto H.R. 2250 and a similar bill (H.R. 2681) that exempts cement kilns from the Clean Air Act. H.R. 2681 passed the House on October 6, 2011 by a vote of 262 to 161.

The pollution control standards that the House voted to rescind today would save between 2,500 and 6,500 lives every year by reducing emissions of fine particulate pollution from the largest and worst polluters. Annually, these standards would also prevent thousands of heart attacks, asthma attacks, and emergency room visits, and hundreds of thousands of days of missed work and school that would otherwise be caused by pollution-related heart and respiratory illness. The standard's reductions of emissions of mercury, arsenic, and other highly toxic pollutants would prevent cancers, birth defects and other catastrophic diseases. Mercury exposure can cause serious developmental and brain damage to fetuses, babies and young children.

more

http://earthjustice.org/news/press/...mercury-pollution-premature-death-and-disease

Sure are a lot of biased words and negative descriptions. I wonder who the source is.
oh..I see now. No wonder.

 

[RandallFlagg]

the status quo was damned sure rejected.

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

Which bills should Reid have brought to the floor, the 54 House bills to repeal/defund the Affordable Care Act or the 191 house bills to eviscerate environmental protection?

all of them. Reid and obama were afraid some of them might pass, thats why there were no votes in the senate. But your characterization of those bills is totally wrong, typical of a lying dem/lib.

REALLY? So, allowing smaller incinerators -- often in urban settings -- to burn tires, solvents, plastics, oil sludge and other toxic-laden substances for profit without any oversight or reporting requirements is GOOD for humans. Who would have guessed...poison is GOOD FOR US!!!

House Again Votes to Increase Mercury Pollution, Premature Death and Disease
H.R. 2250 promotes waste-burning, lets thousands of polluters escape clean air laws

October 13, 2011
Washington, D.C. —

By a vote of 275 to 142, the House of Representatives just passed H.R. 2250, a dangerous bill that allows mercury and other toxic air pollution to pour freely from thousands of the nation's worst air polluters. H.R. 2250 exempts industrial boilers (the on-site power plants at major industrial plants) and industrial waste incinerators from the Clean Air Act's pollution control requirements. It encourages companies to burn tires, plastics, used chemicals, spent solvents and other industrial wastes without doing anything to control the resulting toxic air pollution. And, adding insult to injury, it deprives people in neighboring communities of any ability to find out what wastes their dangerous neighbors are burning and what toxic pollutants they are emitting.

"By taking away pollution control requirements for industrial boilers and incinerators, H.R. 2250 would literally kill and sicken thousands of Americans," said Earthjustice attorney Jim Pew. "And what is simply appalling is that the industry lobbyists who pushed for this bill and the members of Congress who voted for it know these facts."

H.R. 2250 encourages industrial boilers and waste incinerators to burn tires, plastics, used chemicals, spent solvents and other industrial wastes without doing anything to control the resulting toxic air pollution.
(Lake Michigan Federation)

The bill is a gift to industries that have long fought for approval to burn industrial wastes in dirty, uncontrolled facilities rather than dispose of them safely. In a clear indication of the serious threat posed by H.R. 2250, the Obama administration last week indicated that it will veto H.R. 2250 and a similar bill (H.R. 2681) that exempts cement kilns from the Clean Air Act. H.R. 2681 passed the House on October 6, 2011 by a vote of 262 to 161.

The pollution control standards that the House voted to rescind today would save between 2,500 and 6,500 lives every year by reducing emissions of fine particulate pollution from the largest and worst polluters. Annually, these standards would also prevent thousands of heart attacks, asthma attacks, and emergency room visits, and hundreds of thousands of days of missed work and school that would otherwise be caused by pollution-related heart and respiratory illness. The standard's reductions of emissions of mercury, arsenic, and other highly toxic pollutants would prevent cancers, birth defects and other catastrophic diseases. Mercury exposure can cause serious developmental and brain damage to fetuses, babies and young children.

more

Good lord.........I give up.


It is true. There ARE some people that are just too stupid to be reasoned with. I give you this clown. I'm outta here.

 

[Rotagilla]

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

Which bills should Reid have brought to the floor, the 54 House bills to repeal/defund the Affordable Care Act or the 191 house bills to eviscerate environmental protection?

all of them. Reid and obama were afraid some of them might pass, thats why there were no votes in the senate. But your characterization of those bills is totally wrong, typical of a lying dem/lib.

REALLY? So, allowing smaller incinerators -- often in urban settings -- to burn tires, solvents, plastics, oil sludge and other toxic-laden substances for profit without any oversight or reporting requirements is GOOD for humans. Who would have guessed...poison is GOOD FOR US!!!

House Again Votes to Increase Mercury Pollution, Premature Death and Disease
H.R. 2250 promotes waste-burning, lets thousands of polluters escape clean air laws

October 13, 2011
Washington, D.C. —

By a vote of 275 to 142, the House of Representatives just passed H.R. 2250, a dangerous bill that allows mercury and other toxic air pollution to pour freely from thousands of the nation's worst air polluters. H.R. 2250 exempts industrial boilers (the on-site power plants at major industrial plants) and industrial waste incinerators from the Clean Air Act's pollution control requirements. It encourages companies to burn tires, plastics, used chemicals, spent solvents and other industrial wastes without doing anything to control the resulting toxic air pollution. And, adding insult to injury, it deprives people in neighboring communities of any ability to find out what wastes their dangerous neighbors are burning and what toxic pollutants they are emitting.

"By taking away pollution control requirements for industrial boilers and incinerators, H.R. 2250 would literally kill and sicken thousands of Americans," said Earthjustice attorney Jim Pew. "And what is simply appalling is that the industry lobbyists who pushed for this bill and the members of Congress who voted for it know these facts."

H.R. 2250 encourages industrial boilers and waste incinerators to burn tires, plastics, used chemicals, spent solvents and other industrial wastes without doing anything to control the resulting toxic air pollution.
(Lake Michigan Federation)

The bill is a gift to industries that have long fought for approval to burn industrial wastes in dirty, uncontrolled facilities rather than dispose of them safely. In a clear indication of the serious threat posed by H.R. 2250, the Obama administration last week indicated that it will veto H.R. 2250 and a similar bill (H.R. 2681) that exempts cement kilns from the Clean Air Act. H.R. 2681 passed the House on October 6, 2011 by a vote of 262 to 161.

The pollution control standards that the House voted to rescind today would save between 2,500 and 6,500 lives every year by reducing emissions of fine particulate pollution from the largest and worst polluters. Annually, these standards would also prevent thousands of heart attacks, asthma attacks, and emergency room visits, and hundreds of thousands of days of missed work and school that would otherwise be caused by pollution-related heart and respiratory illness. The standard's reductions of emissions of mercury, arsenic, and other highly toxic pollutants would prevent cancers, birth defects and other catastrophic diseases. Mercury exposure can cause serious developmental and brain damage to fetuses, babies and young children.

more

An article from "Earth Justice".

No bias there.

They know that if they frame the subject so it's favorable to them and then redefine terms to fit their agenda, they can corner the opponent with a "damned if you do-damned if you don't" prospect.

That tactic probably works, too .....in jr high school.