Extremism wins, ideas lose

[Antares]

Earth Justice

"In the race against climate change, one thing is clear: we have to quit coal. Earthjustice’s effort to keep coal in the ground targets every stage of coal’s life cycle: mining, transporting, burning, waste disposal and exporting. We’re helping clean energy compete on a level playing field in the marketplace by forcing the coal industry to finally pay for the costs of its product’s pollution"

and.....

"Industrial oil and gas drilling is expanding quickly across the country, aided by the proliferation of the controversial and under-regulated drilling technique known as fracking. Earthjustice is building a nationwide movement against the oil and gas drilling explosion by fighting for the right of local communities to keep dirty energy out of their lives and open their doors to a clean energy future"

 

[Disir]

This is why there is no Democratic equivalent of Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, no endless drumbeat of hate speech pounding across the flyover states 24/7, no incessant wails of fear, racism, hatred of Other. Liberal ideology prohibits such harsh machinery. The Dems are the party of the smart, the city, the college-educated, the critical thinker. Nearly every major metropolis votes blue, and every significant college town, and scientist, and artist, and creative entrepreneur.

Extremism wins ideas lose The irony of the spineless Democrats - Notes Errata by Mark Morford

This is why there is no Democratic equivalent of Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, no endless drumbeat of hate speech pounding across the flyover states 24/7, no incessant wails of fear, racism, hatred of Other. Liberal ideology prohibits such harsh machinery. The Dems are the party of the smart, the city, the college-educated, the critical thinker. Nearly every major metropolis votes blue, and every significant college town, and scientist, and artist, and creative entrepreneur.

Extremism wins ideas lose The irony of the spineless Democrats - Notes Errata by Mark Morford

The Nation and Salon occasionally run good articles but it's mostly spin. Alternet occasionally runs good articles but.......most of it is either crap that is already known or spin. Really useless. Slate has become useless. Motherjones kicks out some good articles occasionally. No where near as good as they once were.

Somebody, somewhere was selling something or smoking something judging from the number of tweets the SCOTUS Blog received over the Hobby Lobby case. I wonder how many were Democrats because those were liberals.

Note the Democrats and the Republicans used data mining to see if they could find a way to talk to us. How damned far off are you that you have to use data mining to figure out how to talk to us you big ol' morons. They needed harsh machinery to do it.

Fear and anger sell. Fox sells it. Probably to make up for the number of good scifi shows they dropped. Oh, you like that? Have some real Twilight Zone.

Media conglomerates are in the game for themselves. The faux media wars were just that. In fact, I think more right wingers watch the crap on NBC then the left wingers do and vice versa.

The faux rage from the left comes via other organizations. They want you to take action.

Here is the deal: Fifty percent of the bills on the table will not pass because they are flat out unconstitutional from the get go. Happens every year. It will not be different.They will kick it in and know in advance that it won't go anywhere because it is unconstitutional and they can look back at those they promised and say, "Well, I tried." The difference is that the right wing pundits actually have to grow up real quick here. They are actually going to have pay attention to what is on the table in Congress and they are going to have to make a choice.

The right seems to think that there is this ...if they don't agree with them then they obviously agree with us. That's a mistake. It's also a mistake that the Democrats are more than likely going to make. Well, then we must obviously move the right again.

I don't think that liberal America was puzzled at all. The elite liberal Democrats may have been beleaguered and we will have to listen to them as they start to unravel the big mystery or watch the commentary as they carry on a conversation between themselves (they aren't talking to liberals and they might be talking to those Democrats at the other end of the socioeconomic ladder but I highly doubt it).

When did faux privatization of the public education system become anything remotely liberal?
When did using the spin off of testing companies to further that goal become liberal?
When did taking stats off of a couple of colleges and implying that it was representative of the US become liberal?
When did altering the national conversation on the right to choose to only in cases of incest and rape become liberal?
When did neoliberal come to represent liberal?
When did supporting H1-B visas become liberal?
When did sending USAID to countries in order to overthrow their government via social media so American interests could prevail become liberal?
When did antilabor become liberal?

Never.

So, maybe the Democrats might want to rethink that whole smart city angle.

 

[Redfish]

was it really? didn't we just move from one form of dysfunctional congress to another? what's actually going to change?

Allow me to explain. There will be NO Harry Reid. No bills (from the House) laying around in his office floor. 343 of them (at last count). The House will send a bill to the Senate and it will be voted on - sounds strange doesn't it? Bills ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON?? it will then be sent to the White House where this "so-called" President will have to sign them or veto them.

I know that it might be hard to comprehend this - but THAT'S THE WAY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The other good thing about it is that the democrats will now have to go on the public record with their VOTES (see, for the last 6 years, democrat Senators have RARELY had to do that - no bills to vote on - Thanks Harry!!) So, it will be clear in 2016 exactly how WORTHLESS your party has become!! YAY!!!

That is all. Class Dismissed.

Which bills should Reid have brought to the floor, the 54 House bills to repeal/defund the Affordable Care Act or the 191 house bills to eviscerate environmental protection?

all of them. Reid and obama were afraid some of them might pass, thats why there were no votes in the senate. But your characterization of those bills is totally wrong, typical of a lying dem/lib.

REALLY? So, allowing smaller incinerators -- often in urban settings -- to burn tires, solvents, plastics, oil sludge and other toxic-laden substances for profit without any oversight or reporting requirements is GOOD for humans. Who would have guessed...poison is GOOD FOR US!!!

House Again Votes to Increase Mercury Pollution, Premature Death and Disease
H.R. 2250 promotes waste-burning, lets thousands of polluters escape clean air laws

October 13, 2011
Washington, D.C. —

By a vote of 275 to 142, the House of Representatives just passed H.R. 2250, a dangerous bill that allows mercury and other toxic air pollution to pour freely from thousands of the nation's worst air polluters. H.R. 2250 exempts industrial boilers (the on-site power plants at major industrial plants) and industrial waste incinerators from the Clean Air Act's pollution control requirements. It encourages companies to burn tires, plastics, used chemicals, spent solvents and other industrial wastes without doing anything to control the resulting toxic air pollution. And, adding insult to injury, it deprives people in neighboring communities of any ability to find out what wastes their dangerous neighbors are burning and what toxic pollutants they are emitting.

"By taking away pollution control requirements for industrial boilers and incinerators, H.R. 2250 would literally kill and sicken thousands of Americans," said Earthjustice attorney Jim Pew. "And what is simply appalling is that the industry lobbyists who pushed for this bill and the members of Congress who voted for it know these facts."

H.R. 2250 encourages industrial boilers and waste incinerators to burn tires, plastics, used chemicals, spent solvents and other industrial wastes without doing anything to control the resulting toxic air pollution.
(Lake Michigan Federation)

The bill is a gift to industries that have long fought for approval to burn industrial wastes in dirty, uncontrolled facilities rather than dispose of them safely. In a clear indication of the serious threat posed by H.R. 2250, the Obama administration last week indicated that it will veto H.R. 2250 and a similar bill (H.R. 2681) that exempts cement kilns from the Clean Air Act. H.R. 2681 passed the House on October 6, 2011 by a vote of 262 to 161.

The pollution control standards that the House voted to rescind today would save between 2,500 and 6,500 lives every year by reducing emissions of fine particulate pollution from the largest and worst polluters. Annually, these standards would also prevent thousands of heart attacks, asthma attacks, and emergency room visits, and hundreds of thousands of days of missed work and school that would otherwise be caused by pollution-related heart and respiratory illness. The standard's reductions of emissions of mercury, arsenic, and other highly toxic pollutants would prevent cancers, birth defects and other catastrophic diseases. Mercury exposure can cause serious developmental and brain damage to fetuses, babies and young children.

more

Good lord.........I give up.


It is true. There ARE some people that are just too stupid to be reasoned with. I give you this clown. I'm outta here.

agree, clearly a candidate for my ignore list

 

[AmericanFirst]

This is why there is no Democratic equivalent of Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, no endless drumbeat of hate speech pounding across the flyover states 24/7, no incessant wails of fear, racism, hatred of Other. Liberal ideology prohibits such harsh machinery. The Dems are the party of the smart, the city, the college-educated, the critical thinker. Nearly every major metropolis votes blue, and every significant college town, and scientist, and artist, and creative entrepreneur.

Extremism wins ideas lose The irony of the spineless Democrats - Notes Errata by Mark Morford

You obviously don't watch mainstream mediaormsnbc. There is entry derangement going on there.

 

[AmericanFirst]

This is why there is no Democratic equivalent of Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, no endless drumbeat of hate speech pounding across the flyover states 24/7, no incessant wails of fear, racism, hatred of Other. Liberal ideology prohibits such harsh machinery. The Dems are the party of the smart, the city, the college-educated, the critical thinker. Nearly every major metropolis votes blue, and every significant college town, and scientist, and artist, and creative entrepreneur.

Extremism wins ideas lose The irony of the spineless Democrats - Notes Errata by Mark Morford

This is why there is no Democratic equivalent of Fox News or Rush Limbaugh, no endless drumbeat of hate speech pounding across the flyover states 24/7, no incessant wails of fear, racism, hatred of Other. Liberal ideology prohibits such harsh machinery. The Dems are the party of the smart, the city, the college-educated, the critical thinker. Nearly every major metropolis votes blue, and every significant college town, and scientist, and artist, and creative entrepreneur.

Extremism wins ideas lose The irony of the spineless Democrats - Notes Errata by Mark Morford

The Nation and Salon occasionally run good articles but it's mostly spin. Alternet occasionally runs good articles but.......most of it is either crap that is already known or spin. Really useless. Slate has become useless. Motherjones kicks out some good articles occasionally. No where near as good as they once were.

Somebody, somewhere was selling something or smoking something judging from the number of tweets the SCOTUS Blog received over the Hobby Lobby case. I wonder how many were Democrats because those were liberals.

Note the Democrats and the Republicans used data mining to see if they could find a way to talk to us. How damned far off are you that you have to use data mining to figure out how to talk to us you big ol' morons. They needed harsh machinery to do it.

Fear and anger sell. Fox sells it. Probably to make up for the number of good scifi shows they dropped. Oh, you like that? Have some real Twilight Zone.

Media conglomerates are in the game for themselves. The faux media wars were just that. In fact, I think more right wingers watch the crap on NBC then the left wingers do and vice versa.

The faux rage from the left comes via other organizations. They want you to take action.

Here is the deal: Fifty percent of the bills on the table will not pass because they are flat out unconstitutional from the get go. Happens every year. It will not be different.They will kick it in and know in advance that it won't go anywhere because it is unconstitutional and they can look back at those they promised and say, "Well, I tried." The difference is that the right wing pundits actually have to grow up real quick here. They are actually going to have pay attention to what is on the table in Congress and they are going to have to make a choice.

The right seems to think that there is this ...if they don't agree with them then they obviously agree with us. That's a mistake. It's also a mistake that the Democrats are more than likely going to make. Well, then we must obviously move the right again.

I don't think that liberal America was puzzled at all. The elite liberal Democrats may have been beleaguered and we will have to listen to them as they start to unravel the big mystery or watch the commentary as they carry on a conversation between themselves (they aren't talking to liberals and they might be talking to those Democrats at the other end of the socioeconomic ladder but I highly doubt it).

When did faux privatization of the public education system become anything remotely liberal?
When did using the spin off of testing companies to further that goal become liberal?
When did taking stats off of a couple of colleges and implying that it was representative of the US become liberal?
When did altering the national conversation on the right to choose to only in cases of incest and rape become liberal?
When did neoliberal come to represent liberal?
When did supporting H1-B visas become liberal?
When did sending USAID to countries in order to overthrow their government via social media so American interests could prevail become liberal?
When did antilabor become liberal?

Never.

So, maybe the Democrats might want to rethink that whole smart city angle.

Obutthurtcare passed even being unconstitutional, before you say it, scotus ruled on the taxes not the whole bill.