'Extremely Unfair': Bernie Sanders Denies His Form of Socialism Is the Same as Venezuela's or Cuba's

[jc456]

There are left wing kooks who have somehow become convinced that government is the answer to everything.

There are right wing kooks who have somehow become convinced that government is the problem with everything.

Kooks are best left marginalized in favor of reason and pragmatism.
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what is it the government does well? SS is failing medicare, failing, healthcare failing, VA care, what? , spending, way above revenues, so name a program that is successful?

no fiscal responsibility or the ability to reign in out of control departments. they are useless fks.

what about how the FBI was just shown to be corrupt? CIA? DOJ? so please, please name a function of government that is doing well?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

Sure.
But at the same time not one of the Medicare for All candidates are being honest about what it would cost to have that system. As well as address that every single social program the government has touched becomes inflated, corrupt and worse than what it used to be.
Those are two big things that I myself would otherwise support public healthcare.

 

[jc456]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

Sure.
But at the same time not one of the Medicare for All candidates are being honest about what it would cost to have that system. As well as address that every single social program the government has touched becomes inflated, corrupt and worse than what it used to be.
Those are two big things that I myself would otherwise support public healthcare.

honest? A Rat?

 

[TRFjr]

like I've said many times before
Government is a necessary evil the less you are required to have of it the better off you are

socialism gives why to much power to government an entity that has been proven to become corrupt when given to much power and to curtail to slow down the inevitable is to give government as least amount of power as required

 

[BlindBoo]

Has Bernie introduced a new constitution or something that would change us from a Democratic Republic to a Social state?

Are you worried he do it with an EO?

Obama tried a Coup, and I can't find that in the Constitution

That's funny. Obama was president for 8 years. Never realizing he should be much more worried about the GOP Coup until it was way too late.

yes Canada where you can get locked up for your speech
yes Canadian were you can be put to death when the government decides it isn't going to treat you any longer
yes Canada the land of the free and the just
why don't you just move there and save the rest of us from your socialist crap a political ideology that mass murdered over 140 million and counting

Hahahaha

I love you guys. Canada? Really? Hum, Go on......

move there and see for your self say something the government doesn't like you saying and see if you won't be thrown in jail

here take a read

A teenager was later arrested for growling and woofing at two Labrador dogs in public, a café owner was investigated for showing biblical passages on a TV screen, and an LGBT group was arrested under section 5 for protesting anti-gay persecution in the Middle East. While one would hope such a law would only be used in extraordinary circumstances, it's actually very common. Between 2001 and 2003, 51,285 people were found guilty in court of having violated section 5, including 8,489 minors ranging from 10 to 17 years of age. Can you imagine a 10-year-old boy facing a judge having to explain why he broke the law and called his teacher stupid? Kids don't know the consequences of their actions and don't always think before they speak. Should they really be held to the same standards as adults?
Think Canada Allows Freedom of Speech? Think Again

and yes from the Huffington Post so you cant claim rightwing fake news

Did I say something about Canada? Do I look Canadian Eh! I do like Moosehead lager and their assortment of buds but.....why?

 

[TRFjr]

Obama tried a Coup, and I can't find that in the Constitution

That's funny. Obama was president for 8 years. Never realizing he should be much more worried about the GOP Coup until it was way too late.

yes Canada where you can get locked up for your speech
yes Canadian were you can be put to death when the government decides it isn't going to treat you any longer
yes Canada the land of the free and the just
why don't you just move there and save the rest of us from your socialist crap a political ideology that mass murdered over 140 million and counting

Hahahaha

I love you guys. Canada? Really? Hum, Go on......

move there and see for your self say something the government doesn't like you saying and see if you won't be thrown in jail

here take a read

A teenager was later arrested for growling and woofing at two Labrador dogs in public, a café owner was investigated for showing biblical passages on a TV screen, and an LGBT group was arrested under section 5 for protesting anti-gay persecution in the Middle East. While one would hope such a law would only be used in extraordinary circumstances, it's actually very common. Between 2001 and 2003, 51,285 people were found guilty in court of having violated section 5, including 8,489 minors ranging from 10 to 17 years of age. Can you imagine a 10-year-old boy facing a judge having to explain why he broke the law and called his teacher stupid? Kids don't know the consequences of their actions and don't always think before they speak. Should they really be held to the same standards as adults?
Think Canada Allows Freedom of Speech? Think Again

and yes from the Huffington Post so you cant claim rightwing fake news

Did I say something about Canada? Do I look Canadian Eh! I do like Moosehead lager and their assortment of buds but.....why?

didn't you use Canada in your argument how wonderful socialism is

 

[Thinker101]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

Sorry Bernie Bros But Nordic Countries Are Not Socialist

 

[rightwinger]

Our economic system is nothing like Venezuela. They have an economy based on one product...OIL

Social Programs is not Socialism

Then Sweden isn't socialist.

They have social programs

Socialism controls the means of production, prices and wages

Not even close

They have all the same social programs we have. The government does not run productive enterprises. It doesn't control prices or wages. They have private property in Sweden.

You are sadly ill informed about the economics of the countries you admire.

So they are not Socialist

Neither is what Bernie is asking

 

[Mac1958]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway. Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

Sorry Bernie Bros But Nordic Countries Are Not Socialist

Correct. They would be referred to as "democratic socialist" by anyone who is paying attention.
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[rightwinger]

Bernie wants the Government to do more for working people in healthcare, education and ability to retire

 

[Thinker101]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

Is Germany Successful Thanks to Socialism? | Kai Weiss

 

[Mac1958]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

Is Germany Successful Thanks to Socialism? | Kai Weiss

Another link. Perhaps you could make an original point.
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[Thinker101]

Bernie wants the Government to do more for working people in healthcare, education and ability to retire

And idiot liberals want free shit...go figure.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

That's not democratic socialism.

It's closer to Venezuela and Cuba than anything.

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[Thinker101]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

Is Germany Successful Thanks to Socialism? | Kai Weiss

Another link. Perhaps you could make an original point.
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Perhaps I could, but you'd just ask for a link.

 

[Mac1958]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

That's not democratic socialism.

It's closer to Venezuela and Cuba than anything.

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Then you don't understand what they are saying.

It really isn't all that tough. I know it's easier to just scream VENEZUELA, but it's just not accurate.
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[Mac1958]

I don't know how to discuss this topic with people who are clearly not paying attention.

Talk radio is lying to you. Fox News is, too. Breitbart is, too. They're trying to scare you.

It looks like it's working.
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[BlindBoo]

That's funny. Obama was president for 8 years. Never realizing he should be much more worried about the GOP Coup until it was way too late.

yes Canada where you can get locked up for your speech
yes Canadian were you can be put to death when the government decides it isn't going to treat you any longer
yes Canada the land of the free and the just
why don't you just move there and save the rest of us from your socialist crap a political ideology that mass murdered over 140 million and counting

Hahahaha

I love you guys. Canada? Really? Hum, Go on......

move there and see for your self say something the government doesn't like you saying and see if you won't be thrown in jail

here take a read

A teenager was later arrested for growling and woofing at two Labrador dogs in public, a café owner was investigated for showing biblical passages on a TV screen, and an LGBT group was arrested under section 5 for protesting anti-gay persecution in the Middle East. While one would hope such a law would only be used in extraordinary circumstances, it's actually very common. Between 2001 and 2003, 51,285 people were found guilty in court of having violated section 5, including 8,489 minors ranging from 10 to 17 years of age. Can you imagine a 10-year-old boy facing a judge having to explain why he broke the law and called his teacher stupid? Kids don't know the consequences of their actions and don't always think before they speak. Should they really be held to the same standards as adults?
Think Canada Allows Freedom of Speech? Think Again

and yes from the Huffington Post so you cant claim rightwing fake news

Did I say something about Canada? Do I look Canadian Eh! I do like Moosehead lager and their assortment of buds but.....why?

didn't you use Canada in your argument how wonderful socialism is

No. Never gave an opinion on socialism except that it's not going to happen short of a violent revolution or an entirely new Constitution And I doubt either of those will come to pass for at least another few generations. Now Bernie hypes his social programs as socialism but without changing the structure of the Government itself, it is a mere talking point, and a 'bashing a dead horse' point for the right.

But I like Canada.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

That's not democratic socialism.

It's closer to Venezuela and Cuba than anything.

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Then you don't understand what they are saying.

It really isn't all that tough. I know it's easier to just scream VENEZUELA, but it's just not accurate.
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Socialism is government ownership and control of the means of production.

Democratic Socialism is the same thing, but we all get to vote on things.



Canada, Australia, Germany, and Norway are not true "socialist" states. They have a lot of government freebies, but not straight-up government ownership and control of production, like Venezuela and Democratic Socialism.

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[bripat9643]

Our economic system is nothing like Venezuela. They have an economy based on one product...OIL

Social Programs is not Socialism

Then Sweden isn't socialist.

They have social programs

Socialism controls the means of production, prices and wages

Not even close

They have all the same social programs we have. The government does not run productive enterprises. It doesn't control prices or wages. They have private property in Sweden.

You are sadly ill informed about the economics of the countries you admire.

So they are not Socialist

Neither is what Bernie is asking

Everything Bernie is proposing is socialism. Furthermore, they are giant boondoggles that we can't possibly afford. He just isn't proposing to totally abolish private property.