'Extremely Unfair': Bernie Sanders Denies His Form of Socialism Is the Same as Venezuela's or Cuba's

[bripat9643]

Our economic system is nothing like Venezuela. They have an economy based on one product...OIL

Social Programs is not Socialism

Then Sweden isn't socialist.

 

[iceberg]

That's because Bernie's form of socialism is purely imaginary. In his mind, it actually works. However, Venezuela and Cuba have the real thing on display:

'Extremely Unfair': Sanders Denies His Form of Socialism Is the Same as Venezuela's or Cuba's​

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a Democratic presidential candidate, argued that his support for "democratic socialism" is not the same as the form of socialism that the government has imposed in countries such as Venezuela and Cuba.

Sanders made his comments during the presidential debate on Thursday evening. The senator was asked why he hasn't called Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro a dictator and if his socialist policy proposals are different from the socialist policies in Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua.

"Anybody who does what Maduro does is a vicious tyrant. What we need now is international and regional cooperation for free elections in Venezuela so that the people of that country can make -- can create their own future. In terms of democratic socialism, to equate what goes on in Venezuela with what I believe is extremely unfair. I'll tell you what I believe in terms of democratic socialism," Sanders said.

"I agree with what goes on in Canada and in Scandinavia, guaranteeing health care to all people as a human right. I believe that the United States should not be the only major country on earth not to provide paid family and medical leave. I believe that every worker in this country deserves a living wage and that we expand the trade union movement," he added.​

And, of course, Sanders is correct.

so tell me what's the difference with democratic socialism and regular run of the mill socaisim?

 

[bripat9643]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

Venzarai started out as democratic socialism Hugo Chavez was duly elected by the people with 56% of the vote and it took twp decades but from that election we ended up with the tyrannical socialist regime we have today
when you allow a government gain that much power wich socialism requires that power will corrupt
power corrupts that's a given and the only way one can stop corruption is not to allow an entity like a government to hold the kind of power socialism is required to have

Yes, that's what happened there.

And how about the countries I listed? Not so much.
.

Two of the countries you list are less socialist than the United States, according to the Heritage index of economic freedom.

Leftwingers have no clear-cut definition of the thing they claim to believe in.

I'm very glad to see you use the term "less socialist".

And that is my point. This lies along a continuum. We don't jump from where we are to Venezuela.

Where we exist on the continuum should be the conversation, not whether we're either the USA or Venezuela.
.

The further we go along the continuum to socialism, the more like Venezuela we become.

 

[rightwinger]

Our economic system is nothing like Venezuela. They have an economy based on one product...OIL

Social Programs is not Socialism

Then Sweden isn't socialist.

They have social programs

Socialism controls the means of production, prices and wages

Not even close

 

[Mac1958]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

Venzarai started out as democratic socialism Hugo Chavez was duly elected by the people with 56% of the vote and it took twp decades but from that election we ended up with the tyrannical socialist regime we have today
when you allow a government gain that much power wich socialism requires that power will corrupt
power corrupts that's a given and the only way one can stop corruption is not to allow an entity like a government to hold the kind of power socialism is required to have

Yes, that's what happened there.

And how about the countries I listed? Not so much.
.

Two of the countries you list are less socialist than the United States, according to the Heritage index of economic freedom.

Leftwingers have no clear-cut definition of the thing they claim to believe in.

I'm very glad to see you use the term "less socialist".

And that is my point. This lies along a continuum. We don't jump from where we are to Venezuela.

Where we exist on the continuum should be the conversation, not whether we're either the USA or Venezuela.
.

The further we go along the continuum to socialism, the more like Venezuela we become.

Fine. But binary, one-or-the-other, all-or-nothing conversations are shallow and pointless.
.

 

[bripat9643]

the Heritage index of economic freedom.

...which is not an objective study, but rather a political propaganda piece produced for persuasive reasons.

Where's your "objective study?"

 

[rightwinger]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

Venzarai started out as democratic socialism Hugo Chavez was duly elected by the people with 56% of the vote and it took twp decades but from that election we ended up with the tyrannical socialist regime we have today
when you allow a government gain that much power wich socialism requires that power will corrupt
power corrupts that's a given and the only way one can stop corruption is not to allow an entity like a government to hold the kind of power socialism is required to have

Yes, that's what happened there.

And how about the countries I listed? Not so much.
.

Two of the countries you list are less socialist than the United States, according to the Heritage index of economic freedom.

Leftwingers have no clear-cut definition of the thing they claim to believe in.

I'm very glad to see you use the term "less socialist".

And that is my point. This lies along a continuum. We don't jump from where we are to Venezuela.

Where we exist on the continuum should be the conversation, not whether we're either the USA or Venezuela.
.

The further we go along the continuum to socialism, the more like Venezuela we become.

How are we remotely similar to Venezuela?

 

[Brain357]

There are left wing kooks who have somehow become convinced that government is the answer to everything.

There are right wing kooks who have somehow become convinced that government is the problem with everything.

Kooks are best left marginalized in favor of reason and pragmatism.
.

We got kooks who say big gov is the problem following trump and his big gov policy. Crazy world out there.

 

[TRFjr]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

Venzarai started out as democratic socialism Hugo Chavez was duly elected by the people with 56% of the vote and it took twp decades but from that election we ended up with the tyrannical socialist regime we have today
when you allow a government gain that much power wich socialism requires that power will corrupt
power corrupts that's a given and the only way one can stop corruption is not to allow an entity like a government to hold the kind of power socialism is required to have

Yes, that's what happened there.

And how about the countries I listed? Not so much.
.

Two of the countries you list are less socialist than the United States, according to the Heritage index of economic freedom.

Leftwingers have no clear-cut definition of the thing they claim to believe in.

I'm very glad to see you use the term "less socialist".

And that is my point. This lies along a continuum. We don't jump from where we are to Venezuela.

Where we exist on the continuum should be the conversation, not whether we're either the USA or Venezuela.
.

it doesn't happen overnight took 20 years for Venezuela socialism to slowly gain more and more power chip away more and more freedoms till you ended up with the tyrannical socialist regime we are seeing today

for socialism to be implemented government has to be allowed to hold a substantial amount of control of power and like every entity that is allowed to gain unchecked power it will devour more and more chipping away at more and more freedom till one day you wake up living under a dictator wondering how in the hell did that happen and because you gave up your freedom like speech and guns you have no means to fight it you are controlled opposed sheep

 

[BlindBoo]

Has Bernie introduced a new constitution or something that would change us from a Democratic Republic to a Social state?

Are you worried he do it with an EO?

Obama tried a Coup, and I can't find that in the Constitution

That's funny. Obama was president for 8 years. Never realizing he should be much more worried about the GOP Coup until it was way too late.

yes Canada where you can get locked up for your speech
yes Canadian were you can be put to death when the government decides it isn't going to treat you any longer
yes Canada the land of the free and the just
why don't you just move there and save the rest of us from your socialist crap a political ideology that mass murdered over 140 million and counting

Hahahaha

I love you guys. Canada? Really? Hum, Go on......

 

[SAYIT]

No it isn't.....That you believe so marks you as a total rube.

What is trump? He sure is spending like we are socialist.

The squawking head on PMSNBC just looked directly into the camera and with a straight face said Democrats are not socialists. You know by Nov 2020 the same head will be claiming Repubs are socialists.

Can you say that about trump? He’s a big supporter of the socialist giveaway for Foxconn.

You're on the wrong thread again. This is not a Trump thread no matter how badly you need to believe everything is about Trump.

 

[bripat9643]

Venzarai started out as democratic socialism Hugo Chavez was duly elected by the people with 56% of the vote and it took twp decades but from that election we ended up with the tyrannical socialist regime we have today
when you allow a government gain that much power wich socialism requires that power will corrupt
power corrupts that's a given and the only way one can stop corruption is not to allow an entity like a government to hold the kind of power socialism is required to have

Yes, that's what happened there.

And how about the countries I listed? Not so much.
.

Two of the countries you list are less socialist than the United States, according to the Heritage index of economic freedom.

Leftwingers have no clear-cut definition of the thing they claim to believe in.

I'm very glad to see you use the term "less socialist".

And that is my point. This lies along a continuum. We don't jump from where we are to Venezuela.

Where we exist on the continuum should be the conversation, not whether we're either the USA or Venezuela.
.

The further we go along the continuum to socialism, the more like Venezuela we become.

Fine. But binary, one-or-the-other, all-or-nothing conversations are shallow and pointless.
.

I agree.

 

[bripat9643]

Our economic system is nothing like Venezuela. They have an economy based on one product...OIL

Social Programs is not Socialism

Then Sweden isn't socialist.

They have social programs

Socialism controls the means of production, prices and wages

Not even close

They have all the same social programs we have. The government does not run productive enterprises. It doesn't control prices or wages. They have private property in Sweden.

You are sadly ill informed about the economics of the countries you admire.

 

[bripat9643]

That's because Bernie's form of socialism is purely imaginary. In his mind, it actually works. However, Venezuela and Cuba have the real thing on display:

'Extremely Unfair': Sanders Denies His Form of Socialism Is the Same as Venezuela's or Cuba's​

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a Democratic presidential candidate, argued that his support for "democratic socialism" is not the same as the form of socialism that the government has imposed in countries such as Venezuela and Cuba.

Sanders made his comments during the presidential debate on Thursday evening. The senator was asked why he hasn't called Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro a dictator and if his socialist policy proposals are different from the socialist policies in Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua.

"Anybody who does what Maduro does is a vicious tyrant. What we need now is international and regional cooperation for free elections in Venezuela so that the people of that country can make -- can create their own future. In terms of democratic socialism, to equate what goes on in Venezuela with what I believe is extremely unfair. I'll tell you what I believe in terms of democratic socialism," Sanders said.

"I agree with what goes on in Canada and in Scandinavia, guaranteeing health care to all people as a human right. I believe that the United States should not be the only major country on earth not to provide paid family and medical leave. I believe that every worker in this country deserves a living wage and that we expand the trade union movement," he added.​

And, of course, Sanders is correct.

so tell me what's the difference with democratic socialism and regular run of the mill socaisim?

So-called "democratic socialism" isn't socialism. It's capitalism.

 

[bripat9643]

Venzarai started out as democratic socialism Hugo Chavez was duly elected by the people with 56% of the vote and it took twp decades but from that election we ended up with the tyrannical socialist regime we have today
when you allow a government gain that much power wich socialism requires that power will corrupt
power corrupts that's a given and the only way one can stop corruption is not to allow an entity like a government to hold the kind of power socialism is required to have

Yes, that's what happened there.

And how about the countries I listed? Not so much.
.

Two of the countries you list are less socialist than the United States, according to the Heritage index of economic freedom.

Leftwingers have no clear-cut definition of the thing they claim to believe in.

I'm very glad to see you use the term "less socialist".

And that is my point. This lies along a continuum. We don't jump from where we are to Venezuela.

Where we exist on the continuum should be the conversation, not whether we're either the USA or Venezuela.
.

The further we go along the continuum to socialism, the more like Venezuela we become.

How are we remotely similar to Venezuela?

We aren't, because we haven't gone very far down that road yet. Neither has Sweden.

 

[TRFjr]

Has Bernie introduced a new constitution or something that would change us from a Democratic Republic to a Social state?

Are you worried he do it with an EO?

Obama tried a Coup, and I can't find that in the Constitution

That's funny. Obama was president for 8 years. Never realizing he should be much more worried about the GOP Coup until it was way too late.

yes Canada where you can get locked up for your speech
yes Canadian were you can be put to death when the government decides it isn't going to treat you any longer
yes Canada the land of the free and the just
why don't you just move there and save the rest of us from your socialist crap a political ideology that mass murdered over 140 million and counting

Hahahaha

I love you guys. Canada? Really? Hum, Go on......

move there and see for your self say something the government doesn't like you saying and see if you won't be thrown in jail

here take a read

A teenager was later arrested for growling and woofing at two Labrador dogs in public, a café owner was investigated for showing biblical passages on a TV screen, and an LGBT group was arrested under section 5 for protesting anti-gay persecution in the Middle East. While one would hope such a law would only be used in extraordinary circumstances, it's actually very common. Between 2001 and 2003, 51,285 people were found guilty in court of having violated section 5, including 8,489 minors ranging from 10 to 17 years of age. Can you imagine a 10-year-old boy facing a judge having to explain why he broke the law and called his teacher stupid? Kids don't know the consequences of their actions and don't always think before they speak. Should they really be held to the same standards as adults?
Think Canada Allows Freedom of Speech? Think Again

and yes from the Huffington Post so you cant claim rightwing fake news

 

[jc456]

And his is different.

That’s what they all say, then Venezuela

Many countries are doing quite well with what Bernie wants.

name one

 

[jc456]

That’s what they all say, then Venezuela

Many countries are doing quite well with what Bernie wants.

In your opinion, and both you and Uncle Bernie have the constitutional right to move to any country that is more to your liking.

Buh-bye.

the question is why aren't people flocking to get into those countries then?

 

[Votto]

Of course it isn't. They're looking at Canada, Australia, Germany, Norway.

Talk radio has its minions terrified about Venezuela, but that's all just for fun. And ratings.

The education system and the press both refer to Europe as socialist like they refer to the US as a democracy. Both are fake news.

The US is a Republic, not a democracy, just like Europe is not a socialist country like Venezuela or North Korea, etc.

So the question begs, what kind of "socialism" is Bernie referring to? He never really says.

 

[jc456]

Our economic system is nothing like Venezuela. They have an economy based on one product...OIL

Social Programs is not Socialism

of that i would agree. but when 99.9% of what the dems are doing now are socialism and their programs, we've moved beyond implementing this type of solution where it fits and trying to make us just like the rest in this regard.

all the while saying "but WE will get it right..."

has ANYONE ever really gotten it "right"? this idea of giving shit away?

ask a dog who gets his dinner from the master. The government becomes the master, and what does that sound like? Master? hmmmmmm taking guns like the nazis and becoming the Master like the kkk they really are. more evidence, they haven't changed.