Exposing Indoctrination

[PoliticalChic]

Indoctrination is not the result of thought, analysis, or insight. It is the result of hissing at Emanuel Goldstein in "1984."

"It was nearly eleven hundred, and in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT, they were dragging the chairs out of the cubicles and grouping them in the centre of the hall opposite the big telescreen, in preparation for theTwo Minutes Hate....

The next moment a hideous, grinding speech, as of some monstrous machine running without oil, burst from the big telescreen at the end of the room. It was a noise that set one's teeth on edge and bristled the hair at the back of one's neck. The Hate had started.

As usual, the face ofEmmanuel Goldstein, theEnemy of the People, had flashed on to the screen. There were hisses here and there among the audience."



The first defector from Stalin's 'paradise,' Victor Kravchenko, described the process:

The new history" became possible... "study" of the new version was made obligatory for all responsible Party people. History classes met nearly every night in this period and lecturers from Sverdlovsk came to our town to help hammer home the lies, while most of us fumed inwardly. .... But even the most gigantic lie, by dint of infinite repetition, takes root; Stalin knew this before Hitler discovered it. As I looked on I could see terrible falsehoods, at first accepted under pressure, become established as unquestioned "facts," particularly among younger people without personal experience to the contrary to bother them."
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Here is America's version:

“The federally funded “National History Standards” for elementary schools were released in 1994, cemented a revisionist view of American Communism for schoolteachers, as the guide mentions McCarthy over twenty times, while Edison and the Wright Brothers got no mention. “It …repeatedly condemns McCarthyism as an unmitigated evil…[but] the Hiss-Chambers and Rosenberg cases, the two dominant controversies of the anticommunist era, are described with bland, neutral language crafted to keep from implying guilt while not being quite so foolhardy as to actually assert innocence..’National Standards’…implies that the cases are part and parcel of the McCartyite horror.” From “In Denial,” by Haynes and Klehr, pg. 151




1. In a recent thread, an example of the depth and the indelibility of indoctrination emerged.

"Marxism had nothing to do with the murders of millions,..."
Thanks Trump, for destroying the GOP

It is so jaw-droppingly insane that it deserves a thread of its own.

It is difficult to conceive of a college educated adult American who can subscribe to totally inconsistent views, and incorporate these diametric opposites as the basis of his thinking....but that is exactly what happens, daily, on the Left side of the political spectrum.
The basic Liberal worldview is as follows: "Our side believes in goodness and virtue, and the equally of all men, yet embraces the most evil and pathological of political doctrines."

WHAT????



No, really....it's true. It's what passes for critical thinking among the masses of Liberals and Progressives.
One more example of the old saying "Sometimes, when you are a part of the masses, the "m" is silent.



Fact: Marx endorsed genocide, and his doctrine was subscribed to, and advanced by both Stalin and Hitler.....and by Franklin Roosevelt.

 

[JoeB131]

1984 is probably the only book the Moonie Mail Order Bride has been allowed to read during her captivity...

 

[Moonglow]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

 

[Moonglow]

1984 is probably the only book the Moonie Mail Order Bride has been allowed to read during her captivity...

And it is soooo, boring...

 

[JoeB131]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

And that's the problem. The Mail Order Bride from Hell ignores the Generally genocidal effects of European colonization of the Americas or the slave trade (they had to bring slaves over because the damned natives were dying faster than they could be exploited.)

But she thinks that mass slaughters (not genocide, because the intent was not to kill off a race of people) under the Communists was because Marxism was EEEEEEEEEVIL, not because the Russians, Chinese and Cambodians had been brutalized by decades of war.

News flash. people didn't kill their neighbors in those countries because of race (the key definition of genocide) because they were of the same race. And they didn't kill them because of wealth redistribution, because after years of war, they didn't have anything. they killed them because during those years of civil war and invasion, their neighbors were the ones who did something nasty, and payback is a bitch.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1984 is probably the only book the Moonie Mail Order Bride has been allowed to read during her captivity...

Oh...gee....another "I hate you" post from a dunce who is unable to counter nor deny anything in one more of my unassailable OPs.


When will you catch on: you belong in a intellectual discussion the way a port BBQ pit belongs in Mecca.

 

[Dot Com]

1984 is probably the only book the Moonie Mail Order Bride has been allowed to read during her captivity...

^ that

 

[PoliticalChic]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

"yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives.."

This, of course, is totally false....there was no such 'genocide against Indians."
Nor were the Indians native to this continent.

......but I must thank you for providing exactly the sort of indoctrination that inspired the OP.

This:
Indoctrination is not the result of thought, analysis, or insight. It is the result of hissing at Emanuel Goldstein in "1984."



See...sometimes you actually have a purpose to serve.

 

[Moonglow]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

"yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives.."

This, of course, is totally false....there was no such 'genocide against Indians."
Nor were the Indians native to this continent.

......but I must thank you for providing exactly the sort of indoctrination that inspired the OP.

This:
Indoctrination is not the result of thought, analysis, or insight. It is the result of hissing at Emanuel Goldstein in "1984."



See...sometimes you actually have a purpose to serve.

If they were not native then what were they doing here before the European invaders came? Evidently Asians are not native to Asia, as there have been other humans before them....

 

[PoliticalChic]

1984 is probably the only book the Moonie Mail Order Bride has been allowed to read during her captivity...

And it is soooo, boring...

" [1984] And it is soooo, boring."


Only to the insipid.

To those who understand history, economics, and human nature....the tome was prescient.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

And that's the problem. The Mail Order Bride from Hell ignores the Generally genocidal effects of European colonization of the Americas or the slave trade (they had to bring slaves over because the damned natives were dying faster than they could be exploited.)

But she thinks that mass slaughters (not genocide, because the intent was not to kill off a race of people) under the Communists was because Marxism was EEEEEEEEEVIL, not because the Russians, Chinese and Cambodians had been brutalized by decades of war.

News flash. people didn't kill their neighbors in those countries because of race (the key definition of genocide) because they were of the same race. And they didn't kill them because of wealth redistribution, because after years of war, they didn't have anything. they killed them because during those years of civil war and invasion, their neighbors were the ones who did something nasty, and payback is a bitch.

(sigh....) If only you had ever learned any history.

In introducing the Black Book, lead author Stephane Courtois, Director of Research at theCentre National de la Recherche Scientifique(CNRS) in Paris, offers the following rough breakdown of the numbers of people that communism killed:

USSR -- 20 million

China -- 65 million

Vietnam -- 1 million

North Korea -- 2 million

Cambodia -- 2 million

Eastern Europe -- 1 million

Latin America -- 150,000

Africa -- 1.7 million

Afghanistan -- 1.5 million

Communist movements, parties not in power -- 10,000

In total, this is not far short of 100 million deaths at the hands of a single ideology. Nothing like this has ever happened before.

....these numbers are approximations. Courtois gives a figure of 20 million for the Soviet Union. Alexander Yakovlev, formerly the chairman of Russia'sPresidential Commission for the Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repression, estimates the numbers executed or done to death in prisons and camps for purely political reasons at 20-25 million.

But, in his bookA Century of Violence in Soviet Russia, he reminds us not to forget the 5.5 million victims of famine in the Civil War and the 5 million in the artificial famine of the 1930s. Other respected authorities offer even higher numbers.

What should be clear from the Soviet Union and beyond is the staggering scale of what we are being asked to internalise.

This is all easy to pin down, which brings us back to the question posed at the beginning of this piece: Why isn't theBlack Book of Communismon the curriculum of every school in Europe?

The answer is not all that difficult to get to. The reason why the crimes of communism are given so little societal prominence is that very large sections of Western political society were supporters of or apologists for the Leftist ideology that gave rise to those crimes.

To talk openly about the history of communism is to talk openly about the history of the Left. And even among those who were not communists themselves, vast swathes inside the Leftist tradition stayed far too close to the communists for comfort.
So, how many did Communism kill? - The Commentator

 

[Norman]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

You are completely retarded if you honestly believe Marxism and capitalism are even comparable. It's like comparing modern day Christianity to Islam. One works and doesn't murder people, the other rapes and pillages and doesn't work. I am an atheist, but even I am aware of this fact. I am also aware of the fact that free markets work where ever they are tried. Coercion never works, where ever it's tried.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

"yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives.."

This, of course, is totally false....there was no such 'genocide against Indians."
Nor were the Indians native to this continent.

......but I must thank you for providing exactly the sort of indoctrination that inspired the OP.

This:
Indoctrination is not the result of thought, analysis, or insight. It is the result of hissing at Emanuel Goldstein in "1984."



See...sometimes you actually have a purpose to serve.

If they were not native then what were they doing here before the European invaders came? Evidently Asians are not native to Asia, as there have been other humans before them....

As much as I'd like to...and as you have come to expect.....I cannot reverse the entire lack of education of your past.


First....find out what the Bering Land Bridge was, that allowed Asians to come to North America ( the Indians)....

....and then check out Kennewick Man.....who beat them here.


Learn same and you may not appear such a dunce.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

You are completely retarded if you honestly believe Marxism and capitalism are even comparable. It's like comparing modern day Christianity to Islam. One works and doesn't murder people, the other rapes and pillages and doesn't work. I am an atheist, but even I am aware of this fact. I am also aware of the fact that free markets work where ever they are tried. Coercion never works, where ever it's tried.

Let me point out, Norm, that capalism is the closest to Judeo-Christian theology, in that one only becomes successful by successfully serving one's customers....their fellow-man.

Think the Department of Motor Vehicles vs WalMart.

 

[PoliticalChic]

2. Karl Marx was the first of the modern progenitors of political doctrine who outright endorsed genocide. Yes....the slaughter of those who disagreed with his views.....and his followers did just that.


a. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.


b. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981


c. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.






3. Unfortunately, this acquiescence of the butchering of other human beings based on their thoughts was not simply 'coffee house hot air.' No...Stalin was fourscore behind the plan.

And so was his 'blood brother,' Adolph Hitler.

a. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...."
NYTimes, November 27, 19257.

b. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.




Hitler and Stalin was actual allies until June 21, 1941....Stalin provided the resources for Hitler's Blitzkrieg.

Inexplicably, Franklin Roosevelt hitched his, and our, wagons to his 'star,'...Joseph Stalin.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh...gee....another "I hate you" post from a dunce who is unable to counter nor deny anything in one more of my unassailable OPs.

You mean like the time you built a whole thread around a misattributed quote from Karl Marx, and when several people pointed out Marx never said anything about "holocausts", you kept going on like you did nothing wrong?

Now, I'm sure you can get away with that at the University of Phoenix, where they only paper they check is the check you send in to pay for their classes.

This, of course, is totally false....there was no such 'genocide against Indians."
Nor were the Indians native to this continent.

I'll say they weren't. The thing is, they weren't from "India", so why do you keep calling them "Indians"?

But, yeah, white people did genocide the shit out of Native Americans.

 

[Moonglow]

Marx endorsed genocide


yet it was the white American invaders which practiced genocide against the natives..

What the difference between capitalism and Marxism ? Nothing much for those that stand in it's way...

You are completely retarded if you honestly believe Marxism and capitalism are even comparable. It's like comparing modern day Christianity to Islam. One works and doesn't murder people, the other rapes and pillages and doesn't work. I am an atheist, but even I am aware of this fact. I am also aware of the fact that free markets work where ever they are tried. Coercion never works, where ever it's tried.

Let me point out, Norm, that capalism is the closest to Judeo-Christian theology, in that one only becomes successful by successfully serving one's customers....their fellow-man.

Think the Department of Motor Vehicles vs WalMart.

They are not one in the same, nor do they serve the same purpose..Since there is no Dept of motor vehicles in Missouri, we are served by capitalist contracting from the govt. Yet the efficiency is like that of the local Wal Mart, hard to find and very slow...

 

[JoeB131]

2. Karl Marx was the first of the modern progenitors of political doctrine who outright endorsed genocide. Yes....the slaughter of those who disagreed with his views.....and his followers did just that.

Sigh...

Okay, for those who haven't played before.

The Mail Order Bride from Hell writes one of these OCD Numbered screeds with some crazy point full of unattributed quotes..

People then come on and mock her.

Then she keeps posting it. People mock that. Then she gets all angry we aren't recognizing how brilliant she is because she got a doctorate from the University of Phoenix or something.

 

[Moonglow]

Oh...gee....another "I hate you" post from a dunce who is unable to counter nor deny anything in one more of my unassailable OPs.

You mean like the time you built a whole thread around a misattributed quote from Karl Marx, and when several people pointed out Marx never said anything about "holocausts", you kept going on like you did nothing wrong?

Now, I'm sure you can get away with that at the University of Phoenix, where they only paper they check is the check you send in to pay for their classes.

This, of course, is totally false....there was no such 'genocide against Indians."
Nor were the Indians native to this continent.

I'll say they weren't. The thing is, they weren't from "India", so why do you keep calling them "Indians"?

But, yeah, white people did genocide the shit out of Native Americans.

Even the natives of Siberia were massacred to make way for the capitalistic Romanov's of Russia.....

 

[JoeB131]

n introducing the Black Book, lead author Stephane Courtois, Director of Research at theCentre National de la Recherche Scientifique(CNRS) in Paris, offers the following rough breakdown of the numbers of people that communism killed:

Except the numbers are utter bullshit.

SO how is it you want to give the Communists credit for the supposed 1.7 million Vietnamese killed but not the 3 million vietnamese killed by the US Military in the Vietnam War?