Expelled Oklahoma U fraternity to sue university, possibly President Boren

[Liminal]

Congress shall pass no law...

What law was passed infringing free speech? Who went to jail?

The students were expelled by an arm of the government. If you don't see that as infringing on them, then it is pointless to even talk to you.

Individuals can't be 'infringed upon,' their rights can, however, where in this case no rights were 'infringed upon,' the right to free speech in particular.

They were expelled by the state for speech. That is an infringement upon their right to free speech. Free speech doesn't mean speech you approve of.

Do you imagine you have freedom of speech in the work place? Try it some time and see what happens.

They are not employees.

Uh huh, the principle of freedom of speech being universally inviolable and all.

 

[Liminal]

I hope the little bastards have a long career in the fast food industry.

Asshole Leftist who wants entire lives to be destroyed over comments he finds offensive. May you get the exact same poverty you so rashly wish upon others.

What you right wing racist dummies seem to have forgotten is: There is no such thing as freedom of speech at a formal event of an officially sanctioned organization.

What does it that have to do with you wanting someone's entire life to be destroyed over a comment? You people kill babies in the womb but you think an off color song is the epitome of evil? You don't need to worry about how God will judge conservatives, it's the Left that is evil, demonic, and ripe for the grapes of wrath.

The answer is simple: I despise racist assholes. As to God's judgement: I'll continue to pray for your salvation from hatred and intolerance.

You despise yourself then. Save your heathen prayers to Ra. The risen Christ lives in my heart and through his shed blood on the cross, I am made right with God.

Already taken care of, I've just returned from making a sacrifice to Baal on your behalf.

 

[PratchettFan]

The students were expelled by an arm of the government. If you don't see that as infringing on them, then it is pointless to even talk to you.

Individuals can't be 'infringed upon,' their rights can, however, where in this case no rights were 'infringed upon,' the right to free speech in particular.

They were expelled by the state for speech. That is an infringement upon their right to free speech. Free speech doesn't mean speech you approve of.

Do you imagine you have freedom of speech in the work place? Try it some time and see what happens.

They are not employees.

Uh huh, the principle of freedom of speech being universally inviolable and all.

I do wish people would bother to read the Constitution.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

And if the rap artist is a student at the university?

. You can damn well bet that rap music is played in the football locker room at that university and elsewhere on campus.

 

[Liminal]

Individuals can't be 'infringed upon,' their rights can, however, where in this case no rights were 'infringed upon,' the right to free speech in particular.

They were expelled by the state for speech. That is an infringement upon their right to free speech. Free speech doesn't mean speech you approve of.

Do you imagine you have freedom of speech in the work place? Try it some time and see what happens.

They are not employees.

Uh huh, the principle of freedom of speech being universally inviolable and all.

I do wish people would bother to read the Constitution.

Fortunately we have so many esteemed constitutional scholars on this forum, like yourself, and we are thus able to benefit from the immense wealth of knowledge so admirably demonstrated here every day. Why would anyone ever need to read the Constitution with so much expertise available to interpret the true meaning for us.

 

[PratchettFan]

They were expelled by the state for speech. That is an infringement upon their right to free speech. Free speech doesn't mean speech you approve of.

Do you imagine you have freedom of speech in the work place? Try it some time and see what happens.

They are not employees.

Uh huh, the principle of freedom of speech being universally inviolable and all.

I do wish people would bother to read the Constitution.

Fortunately we have so many esteemed constitutional scholars on this forum, like yourself, and we are thus able to benefit from the immense wealth of knowledge so admirably demonstrated here every day. Why would anyone ever need to read the Constitution with so much expertise available to interpret the true meaning for us.

Seriously? That's the excuse you want to go with?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

The funny thing is, you think you are some legal savant when you are just a hypersensitive control freak and a ******

Never said I was a legal savant. But the University President probably has dozens of lawyers on his side ready to argue the shit out of his position, and the SAE racists have the guy who got Timmy McVeigh a Hot Shot.

If there exists such a "code of conduct" that allows the state to levy punishment upon individuals for speech, it is immoral and thoroughly illegal. Thus it is illegitimate and totally null, it has no standing.

You have no standing morally, and as the above case law shows, legally, for your repressive speech codes.

The university isn't "the State". It's a separate entity from the state.

They have the right to scream the N-word at the top of their lungs. But they shouldn't still expect to be getting an education after violating the campus' code of conduct.

Oh wow, he has lawyers willing to take up his case, it must be moral and legal because of this

The Oklahoma University is absolutely the state, it is a public university, and thus is a government institution. Now you are just sounding like an idiot on top of being a shrill ****** and a control freak. Not only is the State enacting speech codes, especially for words in private among voluntarily associating adults, entirely tyrannical and therefore immoral, it is illegal under the First Amendment, as the case law I cited shows.

The very definition of free speech is to be immune from state sanction, to be free of the consequences of State action against you.

Speech control is thought control.

When a prayer is said at the university, it is forbidden because its state sponsored religion, but somehow it's not a state sanction when it comes to limiting free speech. Libs want it both ways.

 

[Liminal]

Do you imagine you have freedom of speech in the work place? Try it some time and see what happens.

They are not employees.

Uh huh, the principle of freedom of speech being universally inviolable and all.

I do wish people would bother to read the Constitution.

Fortunately we have so many esteemed constitutional scholars on this forum, like yourself, and we are thus able to benefit from the immense wealth of knowledge so admirably demonstrated here every day. Why would anyone ever need to read the Constitution with so much expertise available to interpret the true meaning for us.

Seriously? That's the excuse you want to go with?

You'd probably look even smarter if you could even begin to refute any of my arguments.

 

[Liminal]

These aren't worthless dead end government employees like you, these are good kids, students with edgy senses of humor. There is no equivalency legally or morally.

As far as the rights of students go, as per 1A and case law, they are protected from retribution by the State for their speech.

Good kids don't sing about lynching people.

Yes they do, good kids make edgy jokes in private all the time. Immoral control freaks that want to punish them, and use the State to do so, are bad people. Good people aren't repressive tyrannical assholes like you.

Edgy jokes, interesting interpretation. Sounded more like organized hate speech.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

More telling

Did any of them protest that what they were doing was wrong?

If no one complained about a hostel environment, then the case of expelling the students for creating a hostel environment is weak!

Would you approve of Belle Knox being expelled from Duke for making porn?

Seems the entire nation is complaining about a hostile educational environment

Your rights end where my feelings begin.

In this case, it was the feelings of an entire university

Sucks being a racist these days doesn't it?

Guess racists don't have 1st ammendment rights. Don't you see the problem here. The first ammendment doesn't only protect speech that we like or agree with, it protects speech that we hate or disagree with.

Liberals get to decide what is protected speech. Not one will argue against that statement because it's what they truly believe.

 

[PratchettFan]

They are not employees.

Uh huh, the principle of freedom of speech being universally inviolable and all.

I do wish people would bother to read the Constitution.

Fortunately we have so many esteemed constitutional scholars on this forum, like yourself, and we are thus able to benefit from the immense wealth of knowledge so admirably demonstrated here every day. Why would anyone ever need to read the Constitution with so much expertise available to interpret the true meaning for us.

Seriously? That's the excuse you want to go with?

You'd probably look even smarter if you could even begin to refute any of my arguments.

You haven't made an argument.

Let me toss out to you the question no one else is willing to answer. JoeB made a post here that god is a baby-murderer - which is obviously offensive to Christians, Jews and Muslims. If he is a student in a state university, should he be expelled?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Oh wow, he has lawyers willing to take up his case, it must be moral and legal because of this

Legal in that he will prevail in court. Moral because some young shithead singing about lynching black people pretty much deserves all the score he can get.

The Oklahoma University is absolutely the state, it is a public university, and thus is a government institution. Now you are just sounding like an idiot on top of being a shrill ****** and a control freak. Not only is the State enacting speech codes, especially for words in private among voluntarily associating adults, entirely tyrannical and therefore immoral, it is illegal under the First Amendment, as the case law I cited shows.

Dude, besides your weird fascination with my sex life, the fact is the University has a code of conduct covering EXACTLY these kind of issues that these two punks signed when they enrolled.

They don't have a leg to stand on.

The very definition of free speech is to be immune from state sanction, to be free of the consequences of State action against you.

Speech control is thought control.

And if the state were throwing them in jail, you might have a point. But in this case, a university is revoking their contract for their violation of terms of that contract.

Singing is against the code of conduct at OU? I doubt that. Content of song is speech. University can't control speech., just conduct.

 

[Liminal]

Uh huh, the principle of freedom of speech being universally inviolable and all.

I do wish people would bother to read the Constitution.

Fortunately we have so many esteemed constitutional scholars on this forum, like yourself, and we are thus able to benefit from the immense wealth of knowledge so admirably demonstrated here every day. Why would anyone ever need to read the Constitution with so much expertise available to interpret the true meaning for us.

Seriously? That's the excuse you want to go with?

You'd probably look even smarter if you could even begin to refute any of my arguments.

You haven't made an argument.

Let me toss out to you the question no one else is willing to answer. JoeB made a post here that god is a baby-murderer - which is obviously offensive to Christians, Jews and Muslims. If he is a student in a state university, should he be expelled?

Now you're just lying, try refuting posts 333 and 334

 

[PratchettFan]

I do wish people would bother to read the Constitution.

Fortunately we have so many esteemed constitutional scholars on this forum, like yourself, and we are thus able to benefit from the immense wealth of knowledge so admirably demonstrated here every day. Why would anyone ever need to read the Constitution with so much expertise available to interpret the true meaning for us.

Seriously? That's the excuse you want to go with?

You'd probably look even smarter if you could even begin to refute any of my arguments.

You haven't made an argument.

Let me toss out to you the question no one else is willing to answer. JoeB made a post here that god is a baby-murderer - which is obviously offensive to Christians, Jews and Muslims. If he is a student in a state university, should he be expelled?

Now you're just lying, try refuting posts 333 and 334

Yeah. I didn't think you would answer.

 

[Liminal]

Fortunately we have so many esteemed constitutional scholars on this forum, like yourself, and we are thus able to benefit from the immense wealth of knowledge so admirably demonstrated here every day. Why would anyone ever need to read the Constitution with so much expertise available to interpret the true meaning for us.

Seriously? That's the excuse you want to go with?

You'd probably look even smarter if you could even begin to refute any of my arguments.

You haven't made an argument.

Let me toss out to you the question no one else is willing to answer. JoeB made a post here that god is a baby-murderer - which is obviously offensive to Christians, Jews and Muslims. If he is a student in a state university, should he be expelled?

Now you're just lying, try refuting posts 333 and 334

Yeah. I didn't think you would answer.

You first.

 

[rightwinger]

If no one complained about a hostel environment, then the case of expelling the students for creating a hostel environment is weak!

Would you approve of Belle Knox being expelled from Duke for making porn?

Seems the entire nation is complaining about a hostile educational environment

Your rights end where my feelings begin.

In this case, it was the feelings of an entire university

Sucks being a racist these days doesn't it?

Guess racists don't have 1st ammendment rights. Don't you see the problem here. The first ammendment doesn't only protect speech that we like or agree with, it protects speech that we hate or disagree with.

Liberals get to decide what is protected speech. Not one will argue against that statement because it's what they truly believe.

Looks like "Never be a n*gger in SAE" lost out

 

[JoeMoma]

Seems the entire nation is complaining about a hostile educational environment

Your rights end where my feelings begin.

In this case, it was the feelings of an entire university

Sucks being a racist these days doesn't it?

Guess racists don't have 1st ammendment rights. Don't you see the problem here. The first ammendment doesn't only protect speech that we like or agree with, it protects speech that we hate or disagree with.

Liberals get to decide what is protected speech. Not one will argue against that statement because it's what they truly believe.

Looks like "Never be a n*gger in SAE" lost out

Looks like freedom of speech and the 1st ammendment lost out......for now!

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Asshole Leftist who wants entire lives to be destroyed over comments he finds offensive. May you get the exact same poverty you so rashly wish upon others.

What you right wing racist dummies seem to have forgotten is: There is no such thing as freedom of speech at a formal event of an officially sanctioned organization.

What does it that have to do with you wanting someone's entire life to be destroyed over a comment? You people kill babies in the womb but you think an off color song is the epitome of evil? You don't need to worry about how God will judge conservatives, it's the Left that is evil, demonic, and ripe for the grapes of wrath.

The answer is simple: I despise racist assholes. As to God's judgement: I'll continue to pray for your salvation from hatred and intolerance.

You despise yourself then. Save your heathen prayers to Ra. The risen Christ lives in my heart and through his shed blood on the cross, I am made right with God.

Already taken care of, I've just returned from making a sacrifice to Baal on your behalf.

I don't doubt it. Whether it's intentionally or unwittingly, Leftists serve the god of this world Satan and do his bidding.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

No brainier for the president

Every Dean in the nation would have done the same

Just call him Obama. He doesn't even measure up to wash the feet of of any President, including Jimmy Carter.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

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Okay, should students in a sexual relationship be expelled for shacking up (not married)?

Yes. Conduct unbecoming a student.