EXCELLENT! Department of Education may be axed!

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And yet, they can force Title IX...or else.

In schools, Title IX impacts only sports for the most part.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The Dept of Education should askbu the Musk/Ramaswamy team look at them first. If they are convinced Education is doing important and NECESSARY service for the American people across the country, they can recommend that it be retained. If the bureaucrats cannot make that case then yes, Congress should immediately order that a small amount of useful functions be transferred to HHS and ax the Department.

You know that is quite reasonable. Maybe they will do exactly that! Kudos for that one!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I would never try to mainstream a low IQ child.

I would want options to help him get the best he can in terms of help.

School isn't always the answer.

So I would say......you really don't understand the question.

The other thing.....when should my low IQ child start ? Do you put in the first grade at 6 years old where he is almost bound to fail ? Or do you get a little more creative ? These pompous responses show that we don't teach broad thinking very well at all.

Would that decision not be better made by educators based on an evaluation of your child's needs? That is why we have IEPs to individualize the child's education. That is the entire purpose of special education. Did you not know this?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

We already do, don't we ?

Do we force children into something their parents don't want ?

If the parents believe the school is wrong, they are advised the school may deny services beyond what is available and the parents can seek educational resources in private education. Schools never want to do that. In fact, I don't believe I ever heard a case of the parties not coming to an agreement. I have three grandchildren that received special education services and we never had any issues with the plan.

 

[westwall]

I was 36 when I first set foot in the classroom after my Navy career of 12 years and then 2 years with AT&T in employee benefits. I retired in 2018 due to absolute disgust with the state trying to steal my retirement and that of all the other teachers.

That lab I taught was in 1963. At Caltech. Barry Barish was my mentor at the time.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes, I know people in education who both like and dislike it.

I thought it had been discontinued, as common core.

Red state governors can screw up too !!!

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Common Core (CC) standards. People confused curriculum tailored to teaching the standards using alternative instruction methods, to CC when it was actually instructional methods, and not standards. CC tells you what to teach, but it doesn't tell you how to teach it. Instructional methods tell you how to teach it. Many school systems adopted the new curriculum based on CC also, but many did not especially in the higher grades where basic math skills were already ingrained in the students. I taught CC math in two states and never once used anyone's curriculum other than that developed by my local district and in some cases, I was the only teacher in that subject in a one high school district, so I made up my own to fit the standards.

Common Core was often blamed by know-nothings for deficiencies in Science and History instruction when there were no CC standards for either topic. That's how ignorant critics of the program were!

In fact, Common Core math standards were superior to the existing math standards established previously by the National Council for Teachers of Mathematics (NCTM) that the NCTM adopted the CC Standards as their own. Florida had their own Sunshine State Standards (SSS) until CC was chosen to upgrade their standards, and again it was far superior. I believe all of the critics were just people who hated change, like most people do. I first used the FL SSS, then switched to CC. When I moved to KY, I first used NCTM and them shirted to CC. At the end of my career, KY just changed the name and a few standards, then made it their own state standards. No need to reinvent the wheel if it works, and CC did the job.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That lab I taught was in 1963. At Caltech. Barry Barish was my mentor at the time.

Congratulations on achieving such an advanced age. I hope to get there some day, but these last 5 years have been really rough, as I almost died twice.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Testing can adjusted to secure (or improve the chances of) certain outcomes.

This was the knock on NCLB. Teachers were "teaching to the test" because part of the grade included them.

Hence, the testing wasn't determining what it should have been determining.

Things like that.

No criticism taken.

You just brought up my favorite misconception people have about teaching to the test. The test is based on the standards you are supposed to be teaching. An example of a standard would be to teach students how to determine the slop of a line. If teach them how to do that, they will be answer the question on the test that requires them to determine the slope of a line. You know that will be in the test because the test is standards-based. That is why you always teach to the test.

If you are not teaching to the test and the test is based on the standards you are required to teach, then what the heck are you teaching them for? Please excuse my ridiculous example, but teaching them how to calculate ovulation dates based on menstrual cycles does no good if there is no question on the test and is simply a waste of time. That's why you teach the test because they need to know what is on the test because it is based on the course standards.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Betsy DeVos joins Trump in support of 'disbanding' the Department of Education | Fox News Video

Former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos discusses what a second Trump term may mean for U.S. education on 'The Story with Martha MacCallum.'

www.foxnews.com

Yay! I've been calling for this for a long, long time.

Check out point .25 about how America, despite all the $$$ thrown at education does not rank well compared to other countries RE education.

At point 3.20 Betsy DeVos talks about how money from the federal gvt (D of E) goes to schools with strings attached aka an AGENDA.

she must be talking about the agenda of introducing our innocent children to pornographic books...

When your child or grandchild needs FAFSA - Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA ® ), which could pay 80% or more of your child's tuition, and they don't have access to that anymore, because you deleted the Federal Department Of Education, we'll see if you'll still consider it a "good idea". What is needed is reform, not eliminating the department. Reform. I agree with your objection to this:

But being against all of the liberal lunacy doesn't equate to eliminating the Federal Department Of Education. Cutting your nose off despite your face. Get rid of the DEPARTMENT OF....are you sure about that? Think about it, you might need that government department or program in the future, it might save your life.

 

[Dismantle this Country]

What kinds of questions will they be axed?

 

[westwall]

When your child or grandchild needs FAFSA - Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA ® ), which could pay 80% or more of your child's tuition, and they don't have access to that anymore, because you deleted the Federal Department Of Education, we'll see if you'll still consider it a "good idea". What is needed is reform, not eliminating the department. Reform. I agree with your objection to this:

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But being against all of the liberal lunacy doesn't equate to eliminating the Federal Department Of Education. Cutting your nose off despite your face. Get rid of the DEPARTMENT OF....are you sure about that? Think about it, you might need that government department or program in the future, it might save your life.

Guess what, you used to be able to get student loans from these things called "banks". The cost of tuition started to skyrocket when government took over the student loan industry.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Guess what, you used to be able to get student loans from these things called "banks". The cost of tuition started to skyrocket when government took over the student loan industry.

Tuition was essentially free in public colleges before the 1980s. Educating the American workforce isn't a worthless, vain waste of money but a vital investment in our nation's future success. Having a skilled, educated workforce always yields a high ROI. We shouldn't burden our children with unnecessary student debts. The government can easily subsidize education in public universities.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You just brought up my favorite misconception people have about teaching to the test. The test is based on the standards you are supposed to be teaching. An example of a standard would be to teach students how to determine the slop of a line. If teach them how to do that, they will be answer the question on the test that requires them to determine the slope of a line. You know that will be in the test because the test is standards-based. That is why you always teach to the test.

If you are not teaching to the test and the test is based on the standards you are required to teach, then what the heck are you teaching them for? Please excuse my ridiculous example, but teaching them how to calculate ovulation dates based on menstrual cycles does no good if there is no question on the test and is simply a waste of time. That's why you teach the test because they need to know what is on the test because it is based on the course standards.

Thank you for that explanation.

And so, it all depends on what is on the test (at least that is what I take from your answer).

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Thank you for that explanation.

And so, it all depends on what is on the test (at least that is what I take from your answer).

I taught Algebra most of my time. Why would I teach Geometry if it is not on the test?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What kinds of questions will they be axed?

Who are you axing?

 

[Dismantle this Country]

Who are you axing?

the forum?

 

[HikerGuy83]

the forum?

Aaaaarrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh

 

[scruffy]

I taught Algebra most of my time.

I'm sorry.

Why would I teach Geometry if it is not on the test?

Lots of reasons. Series expansions being one of the more important. Lately, information geometry as it applies to AI.

But generally, Clifford algebras.

 

[westwall]

Tuition was essentially free in public colleges before the 1980s. Educating the American workforce isn't a worthless, vain waste of money but a vital investment in our nation's future success. Having a skilled, educated workforce always yields a high ROI. We shouldn't burden our children with unnecessary student debts. The government can easily subsidize education in public universities.

No, it wasn't. Where do you come up with this nonsense.

 

[TruthNotBS]

No, it wasn't. Where do you come up with this nonsense.

In the 1950s and 1960s, attending college in the United States, especially public colleges, was significantly less expensive than it is today. Tuition fees at public colleges were either minimal or nonexistent in many cases. Here’s why:

1. Government Funding​

• During this period, there was heavy investment in higher education from federal and state governments. This included programs like the GI Bill after World War II, which covered tuition and living expenses for millions of veterans, further increasing access to education.
• States heavily subsidized their public colleges, which kept tuition low or eliminated it entirely. In states like California, the California Master Plan for Higher Education (1960) made tuition free at state colleges and universities for in-state residents.

2. Post-War Economic Boom​

• The U.S. experienced significant economic growth after World War II, leading to increased tax revenue and public investment in infrastructure, including education.
• Education was seen as a public good essential for national development, leading to policies that kept costs low.

3. Smaller Student Loan Industry​

• The federal student loan program was relatively new (launched in the 1950s), and loans were not the primary way students paid for college. Financial aid primarily came from grants, scholarships, and state funding.

Contrast with Today:​

Over the years, as state funding for higher education has decreased and colleges have increasingly relied on tuition for revenue, the cost of attending college has skyrocketed. Adjusting for inflation, the average cost of tuition and fees has risen far beyond what it was in the mid-20th century.

So, while college wasn't always completely free, it was far more affordable and often close to free for many students, particularly at public institutions.