Educating the Stupid on How Audits Work In Real Life

[daveman]

 

[daveman]

Every single one of the leftists in this thread is behaving exactly the way the OP's article's author describes.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Government employees have little to do with that debt
Cutting taxes on corporations and billionaires does

So tell us, exactly what percentage of a corporation or taxpayer's money (either rich or poor) does the government have a RIGHT TO TAKE?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So tell us, exactly what percentage of a corporation or taxpayer's money (either rich or poor) does the government have a RIGHT TO TAKE?

That's up to the legislatures, son.

Read your federal and state legislatures.

You are such a nobody to even think you can criticize it.

 

[rightwinger]

So tell us, exactly what percentage of a corporation or taxpayer's money (either rich or poor) does the government have a RIGHT TO TAKE?

That is up to We the People to decide what services we need

What do you want to give up?

 

[AZrailwhale]

That's up to the legislatures, son.

Read your federal and state legislatures.

You are such a nobody to even think you can criticize it.

You miss the point entirely. The government has no right to taxpayer's money. The voters allow the government the ability to taka a minimum of money to fund necessary programs.

That is up to We the People to decide what services we need

What do you want to give up?

WE THE PEOPLE, not the government. The government far exceeds the services itis legally allowed to provide.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We the People through our conventions and legislatures give the government the right to tax.

The minority must go along even if they don't like it.

That's why people like DonGlock and Aztrailwhale are such poor citizens. I am thrilled they get to help ACA help our poorest citizens.

 

[fncceo]

Educating the Stupid​

You can’t educate the stupid.

That’s why they’re stupid.

 

[Foxfyre]

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monsterhunternation.com

Watching everybody I know on the left pontificating about the proper way to conduct audits, after getting their accounting degrees from the University of Internet this week, is absolute cringe for me.

Guys, listen, I say this with love… You don’t know dick about shit and it’s fucking embarrassing. Just stop. You sound like idiots.

So now, as a guy who used to be an auditor, who has defended companies from dozens of audits from different government agencies, I’ll try to correct some of your incredibly stupid NPC talking points you keep endlessly barfing up.

First off, you need to know there’s a difference between an outside audit and an internal audit. An outside audit is when somebody who isn’t part of your company comes in and checks your stuff. This could be one of the fifty something government agencies that audit people/businesses, or this could be an outside CPA firm making sure you are in compliance for some reason (like the company is publicly traded). I’ll talk more about what CPAs are in a minute.

Then there are internal audits, where the person in charge has his own people audit his company, looking for problems, hoping to have everything in order before those 3rd party outsiders show up to check, or searching for fraud, waste, and abuse… You know, those annoying things that tend to screw you over and put you out of business. That’s the kind of auditing I mostly did.

An internal audit is what Donald Trump (the man in charge) is doing now, by having his people (DOGE) audit the executive branch he runs. CEOs and owners do this all the time.

You do not need to be a Certified PUBLIC Accountant to be part of an internal audit team.

In fact, even most CPA firms, auditing the biggest corporations in the world, the majority of the auditors doing the grunt work are NOT CPAs. Most government auditors are not CPAs.

CPA is a particular certification required for a few particular types of accounting, and that isn’t even close to what DOGE is doing.

Also most of the auditors for those big firms are YOUNG. They are usually around 24, because those are the dudes that the big firms can work 80 hours a week and they won’t just keel over and die. They do this kind of work BEFORE taking the CPA exam if they want to go that route, and most of them don’t, because they end up going from auditing into some other form of specialty.

These young auditors make up a team which is usually supervised by an NCO type who has got 5-7 years of experience (and may or may not be a CPA depending on the industry) and they all answer to somebody higher up, who has got the 10-20 years of experience. This will of course vary on the size of the company.

You do NOT need to be an accountant to be an auditor. Anybody who says this is a total dumb ass with zero grasp of how any of this shit works in real life. The people who make up your audit team are recruited from whatever skill sets are necessary to audit that particular system. I (the accountant) have been on audit teams with IT guys, programmers, lawyers, and even machinists. (why machinists, because I was auditing a factory, and I could count the parts, but I couldn’t tell you if the parts were bullshit or not)
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This guy skewers the left. "...after getting their accounting degrees from the University of Internet this week..."

Good information here. It's long past time that the government withstood the same scrutiny it applies to businesses.

There are two reasons people oppose it:
1. They're profiting from it, or
2. They were told to oppose it.

Neither group can be trusted.

As one who made her living as an 'outside' auditor for a number of years, I can verify that though I took bookkeeping in high school and some accounting in college, I in no way have anything close to an accounting degree. But I was damn good at my job and often requested for difficult audits by our clients.

Also because I have some pretty good aptitude, a number of my former employers used me as an internal auditor because I was really good at spotting places where policy or processes were or could become problems.

And I would very much want a good computer expert/programmer looking at aka auditing vulnerabilities in my computer processes and would trust him/her to know how to spot those problems much more than any CPA would likely be able to do.

 

[rightwinger]

WE THE PEOPLE, not the government. The government far exceeds the services itis legally allowed to provide.

We the People ARE the Government
We elect representatives to provide the services WE want

If they don’t, we vote them out

 

[AZrailwhale]

We the People ARE the Government
We elect representatives to provide the services WE want

If they don’t, we vote them out

Voting them out doesn’t happen. Take a look at how long even acknowledged bad politicians stay in office. Our system was designed so “we the people” couldn’t vote themselves largesse from the public purse. Professional politicians and career civil servants have perverted that system and use the public purse to gain and keep power,

 

[rightwinger]

Voting them out doesn’t happen. Take a look at how long even acknowledged bad politicians stay in office. Our system was designed so “we the people” couldn’t vote themselves largesse from the public purse. Professional politicians and career civil servants have perverted that system and use the public purse to gain and keep power,

Politicians get voted out of office all the time

Career Civil Servants keep Government running as partisan administrations come and go

 

[AZrailwhale]

Politicians get voted out of office all the time

Career Civil Servants keep Government running as partisan administrations come and go

Not the career politicians who run the system, and the public servants constantly expand their power and their numbers to justify ever higher salaries. Career public servants are a cancer.

 

[Captain Caveman]

He will crash the economy
Just like last time

Over the years, I've realised many Americans just talk shit, like your post here.

 

[Captain Caveman]

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monsterhunternation.com

Watching everybody I know on the left pontificating about the proper way to conduct audits, after getting their accounting degrees from the University of Internet this week, is absolute cringe for me.

Guys, listen, I say this with love… You don’t know dick about shit and it’s fucking embarrassing. Just stop. You sound like idiots.

So now, as a guy who used to be an auditor, who has defended companies from dozens of audits from different government agencies, I’ll try to correct some of your incredibly stupid NPC talking points you keep endlessly barfing up.

First off, you need to know there’s a difference between an outside audit and an internal audit. An outside audit is when somebody who isn’t part of your company comes in and checks your stuff. This could be one of the fifty something government agencies that audit people/businesses, or this could be an outside CPA firm making sure you are in compliance for some reason (like the company is publicly traded). I’ll talk more about what CPAs are in a minute.

Then there are internal audits, where the person in charge has his own people audit his company, looking for problems, hoping to have everything in order before those 3rd party outsiders show up to check, or searching for fraud, waste, and abuse… You know, those annoying things that tend to screw you over and put you out of business. That’s the kind of auditing I mostly did.

An internal audit is what Donald Trump (the man in charge) is doing now, by having his people (DOGE) audit the executive branch he runs. CEOs and owners do this all the time.

You do not need to be a Certified PUBLIC Accountant to be part of an internal audit team.

In fact, even most CPA firms, auditing the biggest corporations in the world, the majority of the auditors doing the grunt work are NOT CPAs. Most government auditors are not CPAs.

CPA is a particular certification required for a few particular types of accounting, and that isn’t even close to what DOGE is doing.

Also most of the auditors for those big firms are YOUNG. They are usually around 24, because those are the dudes that the big firms can work 80 hours a week and they won’t just keel over and die. They do this kind of work BEFORE taking the CPA exam if they want to go that route, and most of them don’t, because they end up going from auditing into some other form of specialty.

These young auditors make up a team which is usually supervised by an NCO type who has got 5-7 years of experience (and may or may not be a CPA depending on the industry) and they all answer to somebody higher up, who has got the 10-20 years of experience. This will of course vary on the size of the company.

You do NOT need to be an accountant to be an auditor. Anybody who says this is a total dumb ass with zero grasp of how any of this shit works in real life. The people who make up your audit team are recruited from whatever skill sets are necessary to audit that particular system. I (the accountant) have been on audit teams with IT guys, programmers, lawyers, and even machinists. (why machinists, because I was auditing a factory, and I could count the parts, but I couldn’t tell you if the parts were bullshit or not)
========================================================

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This guy skewers the left. "...after getting their accounting degrees from the University of Internet this week..."

Good information here. It's long past time that the government withstood the same scrutiny it applies to businesses.

There are two reasons people oppose it:
1. They're profiting from it, or
2. They were told to oppose it.

Neither group can be trusted.

Yup, I did auditing for a large accountancy firm for 4 years back in the 80's. The auditing staff weren't Chartered or Certified accountants but the audit was signed off by one of the Partners who was a Chartered Accountant.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Over the years, I've realised many Americans just talk shit, like your post here.

Classic gas lighting by the captain.

 

[Stryder50]

Quote the law

Quote which "fired person" you are referring to first. Then we'd know the case and the law.

 

[Stryder50]

daveman is not an accountant or an auditor.

Just ignore him. He is a waste of time.

The portion of daveman's OP that is above this line "=======..." is excerpted from the opening of the link provided.
The author of that article is correct and spot on.
It is clear that most (almost all) who are crying about audits of government agencies and their staff don't know much about economics, efficiency, evaluating quality of process/procedure and results, or integrity.

daveman only presented an excerpt of about a third of the article linked in his OP. I'd suggest reading the article and direct your snarks and outrage towards that author and what he has to say.

daveman's concluding comment on the two types/reasons for objecting to DOGE and what it is doing is definitely spot on correct.

 

[Stryder50]

That's up to the legislatures, son.

Read your federal and state legislatures.

You are such a nobody to even think you can criticize it.

Some is by "legislatures", but much of "We the People"s money taken by guv'mint is by the agencies and bureaucracies.
It is the 'revised codes' and 'laws passed/enacted by the federal and state legislatures, as well as their agencies and bureaucracies (regulations) that one needs to read.
You are such a traitor and tool of the exploiters to say such can not be criticized.
YOU should reread the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution a few more times until you understand those documents.

 

[Stryder50]

We the People ARE the Government
We elect representatives to provide the services WE want

If they don’t, we vote them out

Bullshit !

The citizens elect their representatives to decide which services we want, but they (representatives) often decide which services they think we need or can have. Meanwhile it's the agencies and bureaucracies that decide how half-assed they will provide some of those 'services' and also how much the citizens get gouged by taxes and fees to pay for such.