Educating the Stupid on How Audits Work In Real Life

[Stryder50]

Politicians get voted out of office all the time

Career Civil Servants keep Government running as partisan administrations come and go

Again more bullshit. Or shall we say deflection and disinformation ?

Most Career Civil Servants do the least they need to retain their job and collect paycheck and benefits. They are partisan towards their job security and doing the least they can to look like they are earning their keep. They keep their guv'mint agency/department running, but they don't care much about integrating with the 'Government' and even less care and concern about serving the Nation or especially the Citizens.

Career Civil Servants are rarely civil, do minimumal service, and most think that Citizens exist to serve them/the government.

 

[rightwinger]

Again more bullshit. Or shall we say deflection and disinformation ?

Most Career Civil Servants do the least they need to retain their job and collect paycheck and benefits. They are partisan towards their job security and doing the least they can to look like they are earning their keep. They keep their guv'mint agency/department running, but they don't care much about integrating with the 'Government' and even less care and concern about serving the Nation or especially the Citizens.

Career Civil Servants are rarely civil, do minimumal service, and most think that Citizens exist to serve them/the government.

Total propaganda based on hate

 

[DGS49]

For those of us with real world experience this is quite entertaining.

In the private sector (referred to above as the "real world"), it happens ALL THE TIME. There is a merger or an aquisition, or a business downturn, or a new CEO, and every operation in the company is looked at to see if it is necessary, efficient, or doing what it is supposed to do.

Heads roll. All the time. Sometimes good people get laid off with the bad, because it was simply too difficult to evaluate every single person in a superfluous department.

It is not a tragedy, just because it is happening in the public sector.

And it is not an outrage, or a "Constitutional Crisis," just because it is something Trump is doing.

You Lefties need to get a grip.

 

[rightwinger]

For those of us with real world experience this is quite entertaining.

In the private sector (referred to above as the "real world"), it happens ALL THE TIME. There is a merger or an aquisition, or a business downturn, or a new CEO, and every operation in the company is looked at to see if it is necessary, efficient, or doing what it is supposed to do.

Heads roll. All the time. Sometimes good people get laid off with the bad, because it was simply too difficult to evaluate every single person in a superfluous department.

It is not a tragedy, just because it is happening in the public sector.

And it is not an outrage, or a "Constitutional Crisis," just because it is something Trump is doing.

You Lefties need to get a grip.

Good, do that
Make an actual effort to evaluate what an agency does. Hire efficiency experts, subject matter experts, talk to people who do the job to find out what works and what doesn’t. Eliminate functions you don’t need and release those people.

Don’t just fire thirty percent of the people and hope you didn’t need them.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Some is by "legislatures", but much of "We the People"s money taken by guv'mint is by the agencies and bureaucracies.
It is the 'revised codes' and 'laws passed/enacted by the federal and state legislatures, as well as their agencies and bureaucracies (regulations) that one needs to read.
You are such a traitor and tool of the exploiters to say such can not be criticized.
YOU should reread the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution a few more times until you understand those documents.

The legislatures approve those monies.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Bullshit !

The citizens elect their representatives to decide which services we want, but they (representatives) often decide which services they think we need or can have. Meanwhile it's the agencies and bureaucracies that decide how half-assed they will provide some of those 'services' and also how much the citizens get gouged by taxes and fees to pay for such.

... which is approved by the legislatures.

 

[Foxfyre]

Musk is not doing an audit

An audit is against set procedures.
Are you meeting your goals with quantifiable results

Musk is reviewing agencies and giving an opinion.
An opinion based on no knowledge of the organization and why things are done the way they are done

How much knowledge does a person need to give a credible opinion that it is a problem that millions of dead people still shown as alive on the social security rolls and the opportunity for fraud that can present?

How much knowledge does a person need to spot and make public unconscionable and indefensible massive spending with no evidence of anything good or necessary accomplished with that money?

How much knowledge does a person need to evaluate whether employees are showing up to work?

We could go on and on, but auditing can involve much more than just accounting experience. And when there are no procedures in place by design, that too can be noted by a competent person with little expertise of an organization.

Who is qualified to make recommendations for necessary downsizing of government and making it effective, efficient and working for the American people instead of its own massive bureaucracy again? A person who had effectively accomplished that with his own big businesses is certainly a more logical choice than would be an accountant or a politician.

And it begs the question from the left as to why they object so strenuously to downsizing and streamlining and making efficient and effective what has become a massive bureaucracy accountable to nobody.

 

[rightwinger]

How much knowledge does a person need to give a credible opinion that it is a problem that millions of dead people still shown as alive on the social security rolls and the opportunity for fraud that can present?

There is nobody in that group collecting benefits
Their SSN just hasn’t been deactivated

 

[rightwinger]

How much knowledge does a person need to evaluate whether employees are showing up to work?

Working from home does not mean you are not working
Evaluate based on performance metrics, not where you keep your desk

 

[Foxfyre]

There is nobody in that group collecting benefits
Their SSN just hasn’t been deactivated

You have a social security number that is shown as active on the rolls but that belongs to a deceased person, anybody can use that number and it would show up as a valid number. The opportunity for fraud should be glaringly obvious to anybody who isn't a looney leftwing woke numbnut. Actually it should be glaringly obvious to that numbnut but he/she is likely too intellectually dishonest to ever admit it.

 

[Foxfyre]

Working from home does not mean you are not working
Evaluate based on performance metrics, not where you keep your desk

I said nothing about working from home. However from what I have personally observed and what others have personally observed, many and maybe most of those staying at home were not giving the country their best effort if they were working at all.

I personally worked from home for a number of years but I was paid on commission. If I didn't get the work done I didn't get paid. Those on salary with benefits and little oversight have much less incentive to do their jobs when nobody much cares whether they are doing their jobs or not.

 

[rightwinger]

You have a social security number that is shown as active on the rolls but that belongs to a deceased person, anybody can use that number and it would show up as a valid number. The opportunity for fraud should be glaringly obvious to anybody who isn't a looney leftwing woke numbnut. Actually it should be glaringly obvious to that numbnut but he/she is likely too intellectually dishonest to ever admit it.

No, they can’t use that number
SS payments are direct deposit to a bank account.
Someone listed as 120 years old who suddenly claims benefits will draw attention.
There is no evidence of it happening

Even Elon couldn’t find any

 

[rightwinger]

I said nothing about working from home. However from what I have personally observed and what others have personally observed, many and maybe most of those staying at home were not giving the country their best effort if they were working at all.

Whether you work from home or in a cubicle, you still have a job to do.
If your supervisor finds you do not finish reports, answer emails, participate in teleconferences, you are terminated
Just as if you work in a cubicle

 

[Orangecat]

The minority must go along even if they don't like it.

Kinda like slavery and Indian reservations?
Democracy, yay!

 

[Foxfyre]

No, they can’t use that number
SS payments are direct deposit to a bank account.
Someone listed as 120 years old who suddenly claims benefits will draw attention.
There is no evidence of it happening

Even Elon couldn’t find any

The potential for crooks to access those numbers and sell them to illegals exists. And the system is unlikely to catch somebody using a social security number formerly issued to somebody long dead.

When working work comp claims involving illegals and checking medical histories, I noted many had used two, three, four different social security numbers. Those were never questioned by medical facilities. How many were made up out of whole cloth or belonged to somebody else is anybody's guess. And to use a number belonging to somebody alive puts that person at significant risk of harm.

DOGE is quite right that the system needs to be firmed up with more safeguards in place.

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[Foxfyre]

Again more bullshit. Or shall we say deflection and disinformation ?

Most Career Civil Servants do the least they need to retain their job and collect paycheck and benefits. They are partisan towards their job security and doing the least they can to look like they are earning their keep. They keep their guv'mint agency/department running, but they don't care much about integrating with the 'Government' and even less care and concern about serving the Nation or especially the Citizens.

Career Civil Servants are rarely civil, do minimumal service, and most think that Citizens exist to serve them/the government.

And the federal bureaucracy is now mostly a bastion of far left partisan Democrats.

 

[Foxfyre]

Whether you work from home or in a cubicle, you still have a job to do.
If your supervisor finds you do not finish reports, answer emails, participate in teleconferences, you are terminated
Just as if you work in a cubicle

That's the way it should be. But when the supervisors don't give a damn--and many of them don't--they all will take advantage of their protected status and don't give 100%. Or in many cases even 20%. People allowed to keep their jobs when doing the barest minimum will often do the barest minimum.

 

[rightwinger]

That's the way it should be. But when the supervisors don't give a damn--and many of them don't--they all will take advantage of their protected status and don't give 100%. Or in many cases even 20%. People allowed to keep their jobs when doing the barest minimum will often do the barest minimum.

Now you are just making shit up
Every federal employee has performance standards to meet. So do supervisors.

You know what doesn’t get things done?
Firing employees without concern for what the impact will be

 

[Foxfyre]

Now you are just making shit up
Every federal employee has performance standards to meet. So do supervisors.

You know what doesn’t get things done?
Firing employees without concern for what the impact will be

I know a number of people in the federal government. I stand by my post because I know what I am talking about. You apparently don't.

 

[rightwinger]

I know a number of people in the federal government. I stand by my post because I know what I am talking about. You apparently don't.

I worked for the Federal Government for 40 years
We had a mission to accomplish. Leaders who fail to accomplish the mission are replaced.
Workers who are not doing their part in doing that mission are replaced.
Refusing to work or not showing up for work are grounds for termination