EXCELLENT! Department of Education may be axed!

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The question would be....why would you decide that ?

School seems to be a one-size-fits-all, and I am not sure that has been successful.

You did when you asked if we should educate everyone. Should we let parents decide if they are going to educate their handicapped or learning-disabled child? How about if the child has ADHD or dyslexia? School is about the farthest thing from one-size-fits-all as it could be.

 

[Stann]

Betsy DeVos joins Trump in support of 'disbanding' the Department of Education | Fox News Video

Former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos discusses what a second Trump term may mean for U.S. education on 'The Story with Martha MacCallum.'

www.foxnews.com

Yay! I've been calling for this for a long, long time.

Check out point .25 about how America, despite all the $$$ thrown at education does not rank well compared to other countries RE education.

At point 3.20 Betsy DeVos talks about how money from the federal gvt (D of E) goes to schools with strings attached aka an AGENDA.

she must be talking about the agenda of introducing our innocent children to pornographic books...

Americans aren't dumb enough. That's Trump's answer. GOD help US ,a round about way for a certain version of god to reinfect the schools no doubt.

 

[westwall]

Americans aren't dumb enough. That's Trump's answer. GOD help US ,a round about way for a certain version of god to reinfect the schools no doubt.

Since the education department was created American students have dropped from being in the top 5, to being in the bottom third.

Looks like the goal of that department is to create idiots.

Like you.

 

[Winco]

But it is my experience that kids will enjoy school, and want to attend school, if they are engaged. The private schools are examples of that. Why are they so much more successful, with overall less money spent per student?

Well No Shit Sherlock.

When you are sent with $$$$$ from Lawyers and Doctors, and not the low life scum from the inner city, of course the RICH Private Schools have a HUGE advantage.

The teachers in Private School are NOT superior to the teachers in Public School.

 

[LeftofLeft]

I’d be happy if the new administration dialed back the woke, DEI, restorative justice and transgender agendas and focused on STEM, Math, and Critical Reasoning.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes, that is true. But I also taught undergrad as well. Never lower grades, it was always college level, you are correct.

But it is my experience that kids will enjoy school, and want to attend school, if they are engaged. The private schools are examples of that. Why are they so much more successful, with overall less money spent per student?

Because they pay their teachers less and spend less on facilities and transportation. I have a master's degree in education where I studied both public, private and parochial schools. The funding could not be more different. The students could not be more different. Unfortunately, you have a very limited view. Studies have shown there is not a dimes worth of difference in the resulting outcomes for those groups, despite all the caterwauling by special interest groups. Homeschoolers always claim superiority but can never provide proof because any comparison study just might disprove their beliefs.

BTW, private school students are engaged because their middle and upper-class parent will take their phones or other privileges away if they don't do well and not waste their high dollar tuitions. That is why voucher students often fail. Their parents have no incentive to make them do well. You can take the child out of the 'hood but sometimes can't take the 'hood out of the child.

 

[Winco]

Since the education department was created American students have dropped from being in the top 5, to being in the bottom third.

Looks like the goal of that department is to create idiots.

Like you.

Because the USA offers a free education to ALL students.

You think the BEST students are worse than the other Countries BEST students.



That's why you clearly have no idea about public education.

 

[Unkotare]

... I have taught at the Graduate level. ...

Was I replying to you? No, I was not.

 

[my2¢]

Hope those have in President-Elects is like MLB during Spring training when fans have sky-high hope for their favorite team. It would be nice to see the Department of Education gone, but I'll believe it when I no longer see it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Since the education department was created American students have dropped from being in the top 5, to being in the bottom third.

Looks like the goal of that department is to create idiots.

Like you.

Compare the number of minorities and special education students in 1975 to today and you will find the reason why. It is hard for many schools (example: California) to teach anything to any students because far too few speak English as their first language. That didn't exist to today's level in 1975.

My three kids graduated 2002, 2006, and 2012. Every one of their high school educations was vastly superior to my 1978 graduation. All three went on to college. In the case of the first two, I taught and was an assistant principal in the school where they graduated. The same is true for my daughter-in-law. With my youngest, she was taught by many of the same teachers that I taught with during my time in the district. When she graduated, she had half her freshman year at college already completed and a full ride 4-year scholarship!

The testing used to calculate those rankings are known to educators as a load of crap. How do honestly compare reading in different languages? Other countries track their students at the middle school level to college and vocational tracks. Guess which ones they do not test?

Comparing 1980 to today is impossible because that world no longer exists.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I’d be happy if the new administration dialed back the woke, DEI, restorative justice and transgender agendas and focused on STEM, Math, and Critical Reasoning.

That would be nice if the federal government had any impact on that crap which comes in at the state and local level. Do you think every school across this country has those problems? Usually, local areas control those programs. Remember, states like Virginia and Florida have basically outlawed all of that. I know that you would have to look hard to find any of that in my state of Tennesse because the culture does not support it.

 

[Unkotare]

...

You want to really learn how it was in the old days, go find an old school book. One from the 1920's or '30's.

...

About 20% of school-aged children attended elementary or secondary school in the 1920s. What accommodations or special ed do you think was available then? What efforts at having opportunities for all students do you think were put forth? How many poor kids do you think had even a chance to go to school? How many of that 20% were homeless? How many had one parent at home taking fentanyl? Etc, etc.

 

[Unkotare]

... I was teaching classes before you were born.

Unlikely.

 

[Unkotare]

... The private schools are examples of that. Why are they so much more successful, with overall less money spent per student?

Selective enrollment.

 

[Curried Goats]

Sounds like a job for the sovereign states to fix. All the feds can offer is one size fits all nonsense.

You can't really fix the fact that educated people are always going to be the least likely to share your ignorant MAGAt outlook on the world.

 

[westwall]

Unlikely.

I'm 80 this year. You?

 

[westwall]

Selective enrollment.

To a point that is true. But wasting time, indoctrinating students with CRT bullshit doesn't help your case.

 

[Curried Goats]

Don't get mad at me Unkotare. Facts are facts. Harris won the educated by double digits just as Trump won the uneducated by double digits. That's simply the tale of tape.

 

[Unkotare]

I'm 80 this year. You?

Were you teaching when you were 25? It's possible, I started when I was 24.

 

[LeftofLeft]

That would be nice if the federal government had any impact on that crap which comes in at the state and local level. Do you think every school across this country has those problems? Usually, local areas control those programs. Remember, states like Virginia and Florida have basically outlawed all of that. I know that you would have to look hard to find any of that in my state of Tennesse because the culture does not support it.

With Democrats in Control, they make funding conditional upon some level of adoption of their agenda. While I’m glad some states resist, it would be best for the country if they ditched the social transformation agenda in favor of hard skills sets.