Ex-F.B.I. Lawyer Expected to Plead Guilty in Durham Investigation

[bripat9643]

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

DO you have a clue how far and wide a wire tap warrant goes? 3 or 4 persons outside of the primary target... who called Trump making Trump a target of the wire tap.. Now every one Trump called is now tapped... Great way into the orginization through a back door... Your ignorant of how this works aren't you...

They pretend to be ignorant because they know there are a lot of dumbasses in this world who will believe their horseshit.

 

[iceberg]

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

DO you have a clue how far and wide a wire tap warrant goes? 3 or 4 persons outside of the primary target... who called Trump making Trump a target of the wire tap.. Now every one Trump called is now tapped... Great way into the orginization through a back door... Your ignorant of how this works aren't you...

and to think trump never was involved in those calls.

fucking bullshit trying to wordsmith it so small so she can go WHEEE I TOLD YOU GIGGLE knowing full well the game that she just tried to play.

do it her way and there's hell to pay.

 

[MACAULAY]

"Prosecutors are not expected to reveal any evidence of a broad anti-Trump conspiracy among law enforcement officials."

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Yes, Coyote---NYT gets the story first and SPINS it to make it sound like nothing. You noticed. But, check the weasel words "not expected"---and who wrote this? One of the Democrat Lawfare Boys who doesn't really know shit. Probably one of the ones who talked about clear and convincing evidence of an open conspiracy between Trump and Putin for years---with NOTHING FOUND---nada, squat. Hell, Adam Schiff might have been a source for this NYT spin---he usually is.

You ought to leave your TDS Bubble and read what the real world reads.

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Here you go, Coyote. Another source explaining things.

Try to get information from places other than the NYT and CNN---that way, you won't look foolish as often.


"What we know at this point is what has been reported in the press. That information is based on a leak, and that leak is coming from Clinsmith’s attorneys. So you have to accept and account for the “spin” they give to their client’s position and his decision to plead guilty. The following is “spin”:

“…but there is no evidence showing a broader conspiracy to undermine the candidacy of U.S. President Donald Trump, the New York Times reported on Friday.”

This should more accurately read:

“Clinesmith’s attorneys have not been provided with evidence that there is a broader conspiracy….”

"The reporting on the story says that Durham is not expected to announce a wide-ranging conspiracy as part of Clinesmith’s guilty plea. That is most likely the case because there is no need to do so, and doing so in connection with Clinesmith would only put such allegations in the public arena for others to see — including other targets of the investigation.

BREAKING: FBI Attorney Clinesmith to Plead Guilty to Falsifying Carter Page FISA Warrant

Suggests Durham has a broad set of "targets."

www.redstate.com

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The guy who wrote this is a 22 prosecuting federal attorney, not a snowflake brainwashed Trump Hater at the New York Times.

Here's more"

"This information from the CIA should have stopped the Page FISA application in its tracks. The CIA told the FBI that Page had been a friendly source of information in the past about Russian intelligence activities, and Page would be treated as a friendly source of intelligence in the future if he offered additional information. That was contrary to what the FISA application ended up representing to the FISC about Page’s status as a “Russian Agent.” Clinesmith certainly recognized the implications of the CIA communication, as he opened up the message in a way such that he could edit it, and he changed the language to make it say the exact opposite of what the CIA had reported to the CH."

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

Why would you plea guilty if you didn't?

According to you guys...that's what Flynn did...several times.

Yes he did because of the threats to his family. Who is threatening this guys family?

 

[Coyote]

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

 

[Coyote]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

Why would you plea guilty if you didn't?

According to you guys...that's what Flynn did...several times.

Yes he did because of the threats to his family. Who is threatening this guys family?

Well, using your logic - he is likely being threatened, but we don't know that yet.

 

[bripat9643]

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

 

[depotoo]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

Why would you plea guilty if you didn't?

According to you guys...that's what Flynn did...several times.

Yes he did because of the threats to his family. Who is threatening this guys family?

He actually came to the doj and said let’s make a deal when he found out they recovered the original email. He knew his ass was grass.

 

[Coyote]

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

DO you have a clue how far and wide a wire tap warrant goes? 3 or 4 persons outside of the primary target... who called Trump making Trump a target of the wire tap.. Now every one Trump called is now tapped... Great way into the orginization through a back door... Your ignorant of how this works aren't you...

and to think trump never was involved in those calls.

fucking bullshit trying to wordsmith it so small so she can go WHEEE I TOLD YOU GIGGLE knowing full well the game that she just tried to play.

do it her way and there's hell to pay.

If you make claims, support it. If your sole support is conjecture and hypotheticals, then be prepared to be called on your B.S.

 

[gipper]

Means nothing. Another sacrificial lamb to appease the masses.

LOL

A good judge of Trump, are you?

He’s easy to judge.

I've been warning you Progressive lunatics you were fucking with the wrong guy.

Why hasn’t he done something about it?

 

[Coyote]

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

 

[iceberg]

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

DO you have a clue how far and wide a wire tap warrant goes? 3 or 4 persons outside of the primary target... who called Trump making Trump a target of the wire tap.. Now every one Trump called is now tapped... Great way into the orginization through a back door... Your ignorant of how this works aren't you...

and to think trump never was involved in those calls.

fucking bullshit trying to wordsmith it so small so she can go WHEEE I TOLD YOU GIGGLE knowing full well the game that she just tried to play.

do it her way and there's hell to pay.

If you make claims, support it. If your sole support is conjecture and hypotheticals, then be prepared to be called on your B.S.

great. i'll answer it just like you do.

emotionally.

 

[bripat9643]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

Why would you plea guilty if you didn't?

According to you guys...that's what Flynn did...several times.

Yes he did because of the threats to his family. Who is threatening this guys family?

Well, using your logic - he is likely being threatened, but we don't know that yet.

He's being threatened with a conviction at trial.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

Why would you plea guilty if you didn't?

According to you guys...that's what Flynn did...several times.

Yes he did because of the threats to his family. Who is threatening this guys family?

Well, using your logic - he is likely being threatened, but we don't know that yet.

When he is, get back to me on that. Until that time, he was caught red handed. It's not a process crime like with Flynn. So it seems, this guy did very illegal things that if he did not, could have changed the entire investigation. You do know we taxpayers spent 32 million chasing ghosts, don't you?

 

[iceberg]

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

i'm sorry - can you provide the facts on this? i believe you just chided me about doing these types of things.

wow. that didn't take long.

 

[Hossfly]

It'll all come to naught if the Republicans don't put on their big boy pants and go all out on the swamp creatures. Or could it be that the Repubs all fear that Arkancide will smite them? I would give 10 years pay to see the Clintons and Sotero in jail.

 

[bripat9643]

Think about this for a moment...

This attorney falsified public records used to obtain an illegal wire tap on a presidential candidate and then on a SITTING US PRESIDENT. This means everything they did was ILLEGAL from the get go. This makes the case solid as bedrock on everyone else.

This makes the intentional (premeditated) Fraud on the FISA court valid charges to follow up with. Given who knew and when they were told, this makes everyone in the chain right up to and including Obama and Biden culpable in the Coup.

This one case makes all the others possible. The next bomb could be 35+ indictments... And it could happen very early next week. What IF Biden is named in an indictment? What will democrats do? Biden is still just a citizen and does not gain exemption from prosecution.

I need lots of popcorn....

There was no wire tap, legal or illegal on a presidential candidate or a sitting U.S. president. Where do you guys come up with this whacked out stuff?

They spied on him, moron. These days you don't need a physical wiretap since the NSA records every phone call you make. All you have to do is get permission to access them. That's what FISA warrants are for. The claim that "there was no wiretap" is a leftwing diversion.

Specifically where was Trump spied on and when both prior and post election?

I just told you, dumbass. They went to the NSA database.

And they specifically pulled Trump's calls phone calls and pre election?

Who knows what they pulled. There's no record of that. We know they pulled the Kislyak phone call. Where do you imagine they got that?

 

[colfax_m]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

 

[iceberg]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

He didn't know it was an official investigation. He was new to the scene. When he asked Comey if he should get his lawyers first, Comey told him it wasn't necessary. It was a few off the record questions.

New to the scene? Good grief. He's a general who reached the top echelons of military command and was appointed to highly sensitive positions. Not an idiot.

Off the record? Two FBI agents sitting in front of him taking notes suggests it's "off the record"?

Y'all have a really low opinion of Flynn's intelligence.

or flynn counted on protocol where you simply don't do what the FBI did here and therefor was at ease with the questions.

spin doctors in surgery today.

 

[colfax_m]

Remember. Pleading guilty doesn’t actually mean you did anything illegal.

He actually was caught red handed.
if you are referring to Flynn, the fbi agents stated they didn’t think he had lied. He was threatened into pleading guilty, so they wouldn’t also break financially his son, as they had done to him. Big difference. Total faux comparison.

Flynn was caught red handed too.

Everyone who pleads guilty does so because of the threat of a worse sentence.

So therefore there’s no proof he did anything wrong since a guilty plea doesn’t mean a crime has been committed. That’s the stupid world we live in thanks to Billy Barr.

He was "caught" doing nothing illegal, moron. And, yes, a guilty is not proof of anything, especially when a establishment douchebag like Mueller is the prosecutor. Thousands of people who plead guilty were later found to be innocent and set free.

Great. So the guilty plea of Clinesmith is in no way validation or evidence of any illegal action.

Congrats. Our country just got dumber because of you.

You don't think that altering a document in order to get the FISA court to approve of a surveillance warrant isn't illegal?

Maybe he didn’t intend to alter it? Maybe he didn’t know that was illegal?

Of course not. He's a lawyer. How could he possibly know it wasn't legal.

Hey, sounds pretty stupid to me. But people said that Flynn didn’t know it was illegal to lie to the FBI so that’s the new standard.

I haven't heard anyone say that. However, he was deliberately given the impression it wasn't an official investigation. If your neighbor is an FBi agent, is it a crime to tell him that your dog didn't crap in his yard?

No one gave him that impression. Two FBI agents don’t show up to your office randomly for friendly conversations.

He didn’t lie, according to fbi notes. What don’t you get?!?Oh, I know, the truth doesn’t fit your narrative so you DO lie.

I read the FBI notes. So did the judge. They confirm he lied.

we also have confirmed the FBI lied to get warrants.

WHEEE - but you don't give a fuck about that now do you.

On Carter Page, yes. And that guy plead guilty to those charges and will face the consequences. This is the outcome I was hoping for all along.

Now Flynn on the other hand lied to the FBI in an investigation and is going to face no consequences because none of y'all care about corruption.