The extent of John Durham's face plant seems to know no end.

It requires investigation to identify whether the information is true. The FBI decided it was worth investigating because of who it came from and the circumstances of the election.

You’re all hindsight and political bias.
They investigated Clinton Campaign oppo research by spying on the Trump Campaign?

They would have started with the Clinton Campaign, if they wanted to know who it came from and who created the circumstances of the election.

Wait, wait: are you seriously trying to sell me on the idea that the Strzok-led "investigations" were anything but political hackery? I had no idea that was the direction you were going with this. I thought you were just trying to minimize it, claim it did not rise to the level of "sickening."

Really? You're going to justify it?

Go ahead. This I gotta read!

Start with which particular "circumstances of the election" justified spying on one campaign at the behest of the other?
 

‘Clinton Plan’ Emails Were Likely Made by Russian Spies, Declassified Report Shows​

The Trump-era special counsel who scoured the Russia investigation for wrongdoing gathered evidence that undermines a theory pushed by some Republicans that Hillary Clinton’s campaign conspired to frame Donald J. Trump for colluding with Moscow in the 2016 election, information declassified on Thursday shows.

The information, a 29-page annex to the special counsel’s 2023 report, reveals that a foundational document for that theory was most likely stitched together by Russian spies. The document is a purported email from July 27, 2016, that said Mrs. Clinton had approved a campaign proposal to tie Mr. Trump to Russia to distract from the scandal over her use of a private email server.

The release of the annex adds new details to the public’s understanding of a complex trove of 2016 Russian intelligence reports analyzing purported emails that Russian hackers stole from Americans. It also shows how the special counsel, John H. Durham, went to great lengths to try to prove that several of the emails were real, only to ultimately conclude otherwise.


Try as he might to complete his assigned task, that being to find wrongdoing in the Russia investigation for trump's political benefit, he failed. It was an extensive investigation that began in 2019 and continued until 2023. His report was palpably anticipated by the Right with expectations it would "blow the lid off" nefarious acts by the Obama admin. He found none.

DNI Tulsi Gabbard, no doubt at trump's direction, has tried to rekindle accusations against Obama and his staff. It's been another epic failure because, to coin a phrase, there is no there, there.

New EVIDENCE DERbergHOFF! It is like an appeal after a verdict----------->NEW EVIDENCE means the case is reopened-)

Of course if I was you, I would NEVER want that, lololol. Oh well, DEAL WITH IT-)

P.S. I live close to Chicago in NW Indiana. I always wondered WHY I was a Cubs fan instead of a White Sux fan. Now I know why! To many SOCKS everywhere, lol, and none of them are worth a damn, hehehehehehehehehe!

So how are your SOCKS doing today, and does it Gaul you that you are considered either a WHITE SUX, or a RED SUX, instead of a BLACK SUX-) But then again, the BLACK SUX on the WHITE SUX got caught selling the World Series for money; you know, kinda like Nancy Punklosi-)

Seriously, you people are SCREWED-)
 
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You guys can try to make up ridiculous conspiracies all you want.. even MAGA can see through this turd. Everyone wants the Epstein files and the Trump birthday card released. No one cares about this made up crap.
 
They investigated Clinton Campaign oppo research by spying on the Trump Campaign?

They would have started with the Clinton Campaign, if they wanted to know who it came from and who created the circumstances of the election.

Wait, wait: are you seriously trying to sell me on the idea that the Strzok-led "investigations" were anything but political hackery? I had no idea that was the direction you were going with this. I thought you were just trying to minimize it, claim it did not rise to the level of "sickening."

Really? You're going to justify it?

Go ahead. This I gotta read!

Start with which particular "circumstances of the election" justified spying on one campaign at the behest of the other?
It was one minor element of many. You’re ignoring the broader context.

The hack of the DNC
The shady characters around Trump
The report about Papadopolous
The lying from Trump and others around him

If Russia is interfering in the election, you don’t think the FBI should figure out how far it goes? What are you afraid of?
 
It was one minor element of many. You’re ignoring the broader context.

The hack of the DNC
Not done by Trump.
The shady characters around Trump
Not Trump.
The report about Papadopolous
Refresh my memory?
The lying from Trump and others around him
Disagreeing with Democrats and Never Trumpers =/= lying.
If Russia is interfering in the election, you don’t think the FBI should figure out how far it goes? What are you afraid of?
Oh, sure. If there were any chance that that was their motivation, of course.

But we know from the words of the head of both Crossfire Hurricane, the investigation of Trump's supposed collusion with Russia and Midterm Exam, the investigation of Hillary's email server that this was not the motivation.

We know from his texts to his FBI lawyer mistress that the motivation for the investigations was "We'll stop him," "God he is a loathsome human being," "Hillary should win by a hundred million to zero," "I was in Walmart and I could smell the Trump support," etc. I know you are not stupid enough to believe that such a person only went to the FISA courts, having dressed up the Steele Dossier as evidence, to search for the truth.

So no. I do not want such political hacks using vague concerns over "shady characters" to be granted the ability to spy on Americans as if they were foreigners. Neither do the FISA courts, thats why they admonished the FBI.

Or were the FISA judges just a bunch of MAGA hacks?
 
Here are the "Cliff's Notes" to the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, which was cooked up to save HRC's campaign, and indeed to keep her out of prison. Compliments of Matt Taibbi:


From all indications, this was the worst compromise of the American intelligence and law enforcement community in history. And yet the MSM ignores it, even as the picture in the jigsaw puzzle becomes more and more visible.
Taibbi has done some very good investigative reporting over the years. But his career is now forever tarnished by the conspiratorial lunacy he is pushing even after Durham's four year investigation makes a mockery of his ham handed allegations. The easiest way to blow up his fantastical story may not be that Durham's report doesn't substantiate any of it. Or that only obscure, right wing schlock sites like Townhall saw fit to publish his screed. The easiest way to expose his folly may be to ask a simple question.
If the FBI was engaged in the distraction Taibbi claims it was, to help Hillary get out from under the tremendously overblown server story, why did it keep the existence of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation a secret from the public during the campaign? If the goal was to help Hillary, and hurt trump, why not leak the CH probe to the media?

AI Overview

The public first learned about the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, the FBI's probe into potential ties between the 2016 Trump campaign and Russia, in May 2018. This occurred when The New York Times reported on the investigation's origins and its connection to the larger Mueller investigation.
 
Refresh my memory?
How about you refresh your own memory. Here's your homework assignment. What connection does an Australian ambassador and Papadopoulos have to Crossfire Hurricane?
 
Not done by Trump.

Not Trump.

Refresh my memory?

Disagreeing with Democrats and Never Trumpers =/= lying.

Oh, sure. If there were any chance that that was their motivation, of course.

But we know from the words of the head of both Crossfire Hurricane, the investigation of Trump's supposed collusion with Russia and Midterm Exam, the investigation of Hillary's email server that this was not the motivation.

We know from his texts to his FBI lawyer mistress that the motivation for the investigations was "We'll stop him," "God he is a loathsome human being," "Hillary should win by a hundred million to zero," "I was in Walmart and I could smell the Trump support," etc. I know you are not stupid enough to believe that such a person only went to the FISA courts, having dressed up the Steele Dossier as evidence, to search for the truth.

So no. I do not want such political hacks using vague concerns over "shady characters" to be granted the ability to spy on Americans as if they were foreigners. Neither do the FISA courts, thats why they admonished the FBI.

Or were the FISA judges just a bunch of MAGA hacks?
Even Durham agreed that the FBI needed to investigate the Trump campaign’s unusual ties to Russia.

Sorry, but Trump isn’t immune from suspicion and in fact makes himself far more likely to be investigated because of his behaviors during the campaign.

National security is taken seriously. I don’t want a world where the FBI ignores politically sensitive areas because they’re afraid of hurting your feelings and having their actions distorted in public media.

MAGA is making us less safe by overreacting.
 
How about you refresh your own memory. Here's your homework assignment. What connection does an Australian ambassador and Papadopoulos have to Crossfire Hurricane?
Nope, nope. You don't assign me homework.

Not going to run off to research because of four words you posted under the name "marener" while you continue to post thread after thread of worthless cut and paste nonsense as berg.

If you (or any "other" poster) believes that Papadopoulos is the trump card that wipes out all of the corruption of the Crossfire Hurricane and Midyear Exam investigations, feel free to explain why, and we can debate that.

Or heck, maybe I'll agree with you that Papadopoulos justified the FBI lying to the FISA courts over and over and pretending that oppo research was evidence. If your argument is good enough.

I'll not waste anymore time teaching you how a message board works. Next time try not to forget which "character" you're posting as.
 
Even Durham agreed that the FBI needed to investigate the Trump campaign’s unusual ties to Russia.
No one would have objected to an honest investigation.
Sorry, but Trump isn’t immune from suspicion and in fact makes himself far more likely to be investigated because of his behaviors during the campaign.

National security is taken seriously. I don’t want a world where the FBI ignores politically sensitive areas because they’re afraid of hurting your feelings and having their actions distorted in public media.

MAGA is making us less safe by overreacting.
All the more reason that we needed honest and non-partisan people investigating both Clinton and Trump.
 
No one would have objected to an honest investigation.
Of course they would. Trump and MAGA don’t give a shit about honesty.
All the more reason that we needed honest and non-partisan people investigating both Clinton and Trump.
You’re too biased to be able to identify honest and nonpartisans. There never was evidence to suggest anyone did anything out of partisan bias.

And that’s after being investigated ad nauseam.

Trump’s DoJ is the most partisan and least honest in many, many, many years.
 
Nope, nope. You don't assign me homework.
Too late, I just did. Your choice to wallow in your ignorance comes as no surprise to me. The fact that you don't know the answer to the question means you can't competently comment on the subject. Making you nothing if not consistent.
 
Of course they would. Trump and MAGA don’t give a shit about honesty.

You’re too biased to be able to identify honest and nonpartisans. There never was evidence to suggest anyone did anything out of partisan bias.

And that’s after being investigated ad nauseam.

Trump’s DoJ is the most partisan and least honest in many, many, many years.
Too late, I just did. Your choice to wallow in your ignorance comes as no surprise to me. The fact that you don't know the answer to the question means you can't competently comment on the subject. Making you nothing if not consistent.
Not at all suprised that "both of" you have stopped trying to back your arguments up with facts and have instead fallen back on personal attacks.

But then what else could you have? Hard to imagine what would justify the DOJ/FBI not only going after the Trump campaign in a completely partisan way, but lying to FISA courts to do it.

Well, if that's the kind of government you want, keep voting Democrat. Who knows, they may find another stooge to pretend is a moderate and get him in someday. Voters have short memories, as the Dems have always counted on.
 
Not at all suprised that "both of" you have stopped trying to back your arguments up with facts and have instead fallen back on personal attacks.

But then what else could you have? Hard to imagine what would justify the DOJ/FBI not only going after the Trump campaign in a completely partisan way, but lying to FISA courts to do it.

Well, if that's the kind of government you want, keep voting Democrat. Who knows, they may find another stooge to pretend is a moderate and get him in someday. Voters have short memories, as the Dems have always counted on.
Again, thoroughly investigated and no evidence of partisan bias was identified.

One warrant to the FISA court was found to contain a false statement and was prosecuted.

That’s it.

Hell, Durham maliciously prosecuted two innocent people out of partisan bias but that was just fine.

The fact is the FBI did far more to hurt Clinton than to hurt Trump in tue 2016 election. The kept the investigation into the Trump campaign secret but had no problems publicizing the investigation into Clinton. That discrepancy alone should tell you that your narrative has some serious holes.
 
Not at all suprised that "both of" you have stopped trying to back your arguments up with facts
If you choose not to believe the facts I've presented I can't do anything but humiliate you for doing so. Just don't pretend I haven't presented any.
 
Again, thoroughly investigated and no evidence of partisan bias was identified.

One warrant to the FISA court was found to contain a false statement and was prosecuted.

That’s it.

Hell, Durham maliciously prosecuted two innocent people out of partisan bias but that was just fine.

The fact is the FBI did far more to hurt Clinton than to hurt Trump in tue 2016 election. The kept the investigation into the Trump campaign secret but had no problems publicizing the investigation into Clinton. That discrepancy alone should tell you that your narrative has some serious holes.

IG Report on Russia Probe Finds No Anti-Trump Bias but Identifies Other Errors​


Nobody hates facts like Seymour...........except trump.
 
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Not at all suprised that "both of" you have stopped trying to back your arguments up with facts and have instead fallen back on personal attacks.

But then what else could you have? Hard to imagine what would justify the DOJ/FBI not only going after the Trump campaign in a completely partisan way, but lying to FISA courts to do it.

Well, if that's the kind of government you want, keep voting Democrat. Who knows, they may find another stooge to pretend is a moderate and get him in someday. Voters have short memories, as the Dems have always counted on.
Don't go away mad Seymour. But be sure to get back to me when you can answer the question I told you to research. Maybe it will help your understanding of the matter.
 
Again, thoroughly investigated and no evidence of partisan bias was identified.

One warrant to the FISA court was found to contain a false statement and was prosecuted.

That’s it.
The FISA Courts knew different:

WashingtonCNN —
The typically ultra-close-lipped Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court slammed the FBI for mistakes it made in the Carter Page surveillance warrants and ordered the agency to detail how it will improve its warrant applications in light of the errors, uncovered recently by the Justice Department’s inspector general.

“The FBI’s handling of the Carter Page applications, as portrayed in the [Office of the inspector general] report, was antithetical to the heightened duty of candor described above. The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable,” federal Judge Rosemary Collyer wrote in an order from the court published Tuesday.


You are aware of what the word "frequency" means, and what the "s" on the end of the words "applications" and "mistakes" mean?
Hell, Durham maliciously prosecuted two innocent people out of partisan bias but that was just fine.
Again, no facts. Who are these innocents, and why do you not name them when you make the accusation?
The fact is the FBI did far more to hurt Clinton than to hurt Trump in tue 2016 election.
You're right about that one, Miss Stopped Clock.

The FBI's training and body of knowledge is about fighting crime and gathering intelligence. Their operations in the arena of partisan politics and election rigging were the work of amateurs. They should have left that to the CIA, who have experience rigging foreign elections for decades.

All they did was prove Trump's point about elections being rigged against an "outsider," and galvanize Trump's base. If the FBI did not want people to think they were partisan hacks who put a cinder block on the scale of the 2016 election, they should have delayed their so-called "investigations" until the elections were over.

James Comey damanged Hillary greatly, which was a key factor in Trump winning, IMO. But he was much more famewhore than partisan. Of course he announced that he would not prosecute Clinton and then proceded to list all the crimes of which she was guilty, in violation of FBI norms and basic fairness. Of course he announced the reopening of the investigation 11 days before election day. He would have strangled his own mother at a press conference if it would have gotten him thirty more seconds of air time.

The kept the investigation into the Trump campaign secret but had no problems publicizing the investigation into Clinton. That discrepancy alone should tell you that your narrative has some serious holes.
Again, I blame Comey for that one. But how can you keep arguing that the FBI was the gold standard of investigative fairness and non-partisanship?
 
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Corrupt intel? Let me guess. They're corrupt because the IC concluded, based on overwhelming evidence, Russia worked to get trump elected in 2016. Do I have that right?
No berg80 you don't... the IC assessment said otherwise.... and then after Trump won, Obama ordered they go back to re-write the IC assessment to say what he wanted it to say, that Trump and Russia colluded...
Please try to keep up.. you are embarrassing yourself

Obama ordered the rewrite of the assessment until it met the narrative he wanted..

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/docu...-Report-Manufactured-Russia-Hoax-July2025.pdf

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