Evangelicals and Trump

[Correll]

Do you agree there is nothing untoward about Evangelical Christians politically supporting President Trump, for political reasons and that the attempt by others to spin it as something "wrong", is bs?

I have already said what I think about the evangelical “Moral Majority” types and their embrace of the utterly amoral conman Trump. There are many kinds of “Evangelicals” and many different types of Christians. Just like there are different kinds of Muslims and Jews.

I defend womens right to have a legal abortion, I am against anti-scientific “creationism,” I despise the intellectual dishonesty of people like Politicalchic, and I think most rich televangelists are despicable hypocrites. For most of the latter, support to Trump seems not “untoward” or “wrong” ... but perfectly appropriate.

And that is what I am referring to.

A simple yes was the answer you should have given. But you couldn't do it.


You had to signal that despite disagreeing with the lib herd on this one little issue, that you were still a good member of the mob and still looked down on those that dare to dissent from the Conventional Wisdom that your lib crowd has created.

That is my point.

THe issue here is the LEFT'S anti-Christian Bigotry and attempts to discriminate against them, and you cannot clearly side with the rights of the Christians in question here against the Left.


You can't do it.

 

[Correll]

# 738 reply to 733

Do you agree there is nothing untoward about Evangelical Christians politically supporting President Trump, for political reasons and that the attempt by others to spin it as something "wrong", is bs?

I already said hell yes to your white evangelical Christians politically and publically supporting Trump because when they do they enter the real world that is supposed to be based on facts and a demonstration that they are somewhat attached to reality.

The op states otherwise. If you really believed what you just said, your position and actions in this thread, should have been grudging agreement with me, instead of pretending that the issue is Christians being problems.

So when a non-believer like me hears one of your saved political evangelical activists tell me that TrumpO was chosen by his god to save America and make it Great Again - excuse me if I laugh at the damned fool.

YOur desire to not respect other cultures is fine. That has not been my complaint, and your refusal to be honest about that, casts even further doubt on your claim of respecting the rights of others.

And because I’m laughing at that white Trump believin’ Christian fool, I get to laugh some more when another fool comes along like you whimpering and crying out loud that a good old fashioned secular laugh like mine is motivated by bigoted hatred of all Christians.

When people like midcan5 start a thread bashing Christians for engaging in normal political activity, and you come in and join in the Christian bashing, then my accusation of anti-Christian bigotry is valid and deserves to be addressed as such.

Your denial of that, is not honest, and casts further doubt on your claim of respecting the rights of others.

I guess you’d have a point if all Christians worshipped TrumpO like you do, but we all know there are more American Democrats professing Christian and Jewish faith than Republicans. They live in cities and although a majority many get stiffed by the red rural state electoral advantage.

Nothing about my point, is based on the assumption that all Christians agree with me. Your misrepresentation of my position AND the fact that you dishonestly spin political support of Trump as "worship" in a thread that is about discriminating against Evangelical Christians, casts doubt on your claim of supporting the rights of others.

I cited Reverend Darby who appears to care not at all about some necessity to demand belief that America was founded as a Christian nation and you called the black preacher a dupe.

Nothing about Darby, or his words, is relevant to my position or the topic of thread. And I find it odd that you have a need to almost always mention his race, as though his being black makes his opinion count more. This irrelevant off topic issue you keep bringing up, does nothing to support your claim of respecting the rights of others.

And then you hide behind Jesus’ robe and hurl more insults and conspiracy theories about the sinister socialist plan to destroy America and Christianity before yours and @ding’s very eyes.

"hiding behind Jesus's robe"? What the hell does that even mean? I'm right here calling you out of your bs and defending my position seriously and honestly. What more do you want? My freaking address so you can dox me to the Antifa Mob and they can come and kill me?

Nothing in that statement, supports your pretense of respecting other peoples rights.

I’ve worked every weekday and some weekends for fifty five years and I own property and have plenty of capital and rental income for my retirement.

IF I’m a socialist I’m a piss poor one.

Lots of piss poor socialists support socialism and will pay the price if they ever win and get what they want.

Your claim of respecting the rights of people you obviously have contempt for, for the crimes of disagreeing with you AND not supporting your lefty agenda, is not credible.


Not with the way you have spent most of your time in this thread, spinning up strawmen about Christian Nationalists and the terrible threat they are, that needs to be fought against because, blah, blah, blah.


Oh, sorry, I meant to say, WHITE Christian Nationalists. Cause race seems so very important to you.

 

[Correll]

Well, I never consider people who slander me or Liberals or Democrats as “Satanic” exactly “normal.” I have faced more than my fair share of such attacks over the years. I see many problems in supporting Trump ... period. I see particular hypocrisy in “Moral Majority” types supporting the utterly amoral Trump. Within their rights? Of course!

But I warn fanatically partisan evangelicals and other Christians who try to organize out of their Churches for Trump that many in our nation are becoming less tolerant of such activity, already in many cases technically illegal. There is no Constitutional right, merely traditional acceptance, for granting Churches special tax benefits. Churches were historically granted such benefits because they were long seen as providing socially important benefits to their communities. If they ever become seen as little more than political organizing centers for political campaigns, local pastors and mega church leaders alike may find their special tax benefits under assault. This is just one more reason I say many evangelicals of the “Christian Right” are hurting not just the reputation of Christianity but its future place in American society.

ONly when churches organize for those you oppose? It is still ok for them to organize politically if it is for politicians you support, such as black churches supporting Biden?

Not at all. But we are not talking about black and white issues. Personally I would be very sad to see Churches lose their non-profit and special “pastor” privileges. Churches do important things, meet spiritual and social needs in many communities. But of course here “churches” must include mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples as well. How do you feel about extending tax benefits to all these groups? Again, the country is changing, and we need to not discriminate .... among superstitious cults just as among ancient “religions” of every kind and sect.

This thread is about discriminating against Christians who support Trump. It is pretending that the low opinion of Trump that liberals have, combined with the low opinion liberals have of white evangelical Christians,


somehow justifies attacking, ridiculing, demonizing, marginalizing, who knows what else, evangelical Christians who support Trump.


For you to sort of acknowledge that, but only when combined with digs at Christianity and those that support Trump and then to immediately pivot to pretending that the problem is Christians discriminating against "mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples",


is disingenuous and implies support for the anti-Christian bigotry and discrimination we have seen in this thread.

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This thread is about discriminating against Christians who support Trump. It is pretending that the low opinion of Trump that liberals have, combined with the low opinion liberals have of white evangelical Christians,


somehow justifies attacking, ridiculing, demonizing, marginalizing, who knows what else, evangelical Christians who support Trump.

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the reasons have been provided to you correll - stop making up false allegations to suit your own disregard for the objective facts.
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christianity, the desert religions have recorded uninterrupted histories of persecution and victimization of the innocence from their beginnings to the present day ...

you yourself represent in your posts their past and present transgressions without a shred of remorse.

The Present Day is you trying to persecute and victimize your enemies today, because you have the upper hand, today.


That you justify your persecution and thuggery, with past injusticies done by other people in other times in other places,


is irrelevant to your actions.


You are a bully and an asshole and a bigot and an asshole.


Did I mention that you were an asshole?


Cause I don't want to forget that.


You asshole bigot.

.

Cause I don't want to forget that.

you yourself represent in your posts their past and present transgressions without a shred of remorse.

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really -

you simply ignore the relevancy of why in your mind you accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of in association with your support of a corrupt entity, christianity mascaraing as a religion. and believe insults are a way to cleanse your own dark soul.

My position here is that the political support of President Trump by Evangelical Christians is fine and normal.


That you don't like Christianity, is your choice. My issue with it, is when you go beyond that, and start talking smack like you want to take action to prevent some Christians, those that disagree with you, from engaging in the political process.



They have the same human rights as you. YOur hate of them does not justify the discrimination and oppression you want to see done to them.

 

[Correll]

#739 reply to #729

SUre. As I explained before, it is an invented controversy, based primarily on semantics

No. You are lying by omission by generalizing as you admit in order to omit non-Christian Deist and Unitarian founding fathers, and Constitutional leaders such Madison who steered religious freedom into the Constitution based on his outspoken contempt for the corrupt 15 centuries of the Christian Church and it’s lazy superstitious laity. His friend and fellow Jefferson write that Calvinism was demonic.

So you have a political agenda requiring a belief that America was founded as a Christian nation and it can’t be right until it is as Christian as it was at the founding. Trouble is you are a liar.

It’s not generalizing or a case of semantics to omit historical fact that Christianity affected the Constitution as a negative reaction to it.

#562 corr corr corr

2. I generalized that as a group, they were Christian.

You can’t do that

#569 corr corr corr

ANd now you change the debate to one of semantics,

#578 corr corr corr

Nothing un-American about wanting to keep the America you grew up in.

No it’s not. How does that excuse your generalized lie? Nothing wrong with wanting to keep the progress that did not exist from the time that one in any era grew up to the time the leave this beautiful progressives works leaving cranky and sour/assed conservatives like you behind.

I can generalize about a group, and generalizing about a group, is not denying the existence of individuals in that group that were different, or their contributions.


Your claim otherwise is a game of semantics you are playing to gin up an excuse for you to attack Christians. At least those that dare to oppose your political agenda.


That you are playing that silly troll game in a thread started to bash Christians for engaging in normal political activity,


GREATLY undermines your claim to represent the rights of others.

 

[Correll]

#740 reply to #460 and 578
#460 ding ding ding

That's multiculturalism and it's aimed at destroying the dominant culture of a nation

Is religious pluralism doing the same damage to what you consider the dominant culture?


#578 corr corr corr

Nothing un-American about wanting to keep the America you grew up in.

Minding what ding says in #460 when you were growing up were you then a member of the as yet undamaged dominant culture?

Yes, I was. Why do you ask?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well, I never consider people who slander me or Liberals or Democrats as “Satanic” exactly “normal.” I have faced more than my fair share of such attacks over the years. I see many problems in supporting Trump ... period. I see particular hypocrisy in “Moral Majority” types supporting the utterly amoral Trump. Within their rights? Of course!

But I warn fanatically partisan evangelicals and other Christians who try to organize out of their Churches for Trump that many in our nation are becoming less tolerant of such activity, already in many cases technically illegal. There is no Constitutional right, merely traditional acceptance, for granting Churches special tax benefits. Churches were historically granted such benefits because they were long seen as providing socially important benefits to their communities. If they ever become seen as little more than political organizing centers for political campaigns, local pastors and mega church leaders alike may find their special tax benefits under assault. This is just one more reason I say many evangelicals of the “Christian Right” are hurting not just the reputation of Christianity but its future place in American society.

ONly when churches organize for those you oppose? It is still ok for them to organize politically if it is for politicians you support, such as black churches supporting Biden?

Not at all. But we are not talking about black and white issues. Personally I would be very sad to see Churches lose their non-profit and special “pastor” privileges. Churches do important things, meet spiritual and social needs in many communities. But of course here “churches” must include mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples as well. How do you feel about extending tax benefits to all these groups? Again, the country is changing, and we need to not discriminate .... among superstitious cults just as among ancient “religions” of every kind and sect.

This thread is about discriminating against Christians who support Trump. It is pretending that the low opinion of Trump that liberals have, combined with the low opinion liberals have of white evangelical Christians,

somehow justifies attacking, ridiculing, demonizing, marginalizing, who knows what else, evangelical Christians who support Trump.

For you to sort of acknowledge that, but only when combined with digs at Christianity and those that support Trump and then to immediately pivot to pretending that the problem is Christians discriminating against "mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples",

is disingenuous and implies support for the anti-Christian bigotry and discrimination we have seen in this thread.

You do seem to love to twist my words. Read what I wrote again. I never at all implied “that the problem is Christians discriminating against "’mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples.’”

I did read your words. And you certainly did imply that.
If you were HALF the man you pretend to be, you would not hesitate to call out the anti-Christian bigotry of your fellow lefties in this thread.
And without mitigating your position by off topic comments on how bad Christians have been in the past, or are today, or how bad Trump is, or blah, blah, ******* blah.

Really getting tired of your lack of seriousness, your personal attacks, your paranoia, your lumping me in with others here ... and your triple spacing your comments too.

The subject is Evangelicals and Trump. I expressed my opinions intelligently and contributed honestly and appropriately to the related discussion of Christian nationalists. I addressed the claim by PoliticalChic that our nation “was founded as a Christian nation,” and I did it in an objective manner.

I do not “take sides” with people I have differences with just because they also disagree with you. You are not that important to me, nor are they. I especially want to avoid getting in the middle of disrespectful grudge matches — shit shows — so typical of USMB and your own ... “discussions.”

"... I addressed the claim by PoliticalChic that our nation “was founded as a Christian nation,”

I bet you can't find any such quote, low-life.

Your sort can never post without lying.


Thrice I said the following:

America was not founded to be a Christian only nation.
It was never meant to be a theocracy.

But it was founded by orthodox Christians, based on the Judeo-Christian Bible....which was the single most quoted document by the Founders, and points to Jesus Christ in the text of the Constitution. Segments of our founding documents come directly from the Bible.


That religion and that book were always seen as the guidance that would form the basis of our morality.

It is the neo-Marxist influence of government school that has corrupted your view and deprived you of the truth. I doubt you will ever recover from said intellectual abuse.

And, of course, it is true.



The only explanation is your jealousy of my breadth and depth of knowledge, and you can't compete.

I feel your pain.

I'd be happy to provide a reading curriculum for you.




Let's see you deny that you aren't the lying sack of offal as I just proved you are.

 

[ding]

#740 reply to #460 and 578
#460 ding ding ding

That's multiculturalism and it's aimed at destroying the dominant culture of a nation

Is religious pluralism doing the same damage to what you consider the dominant culture?


#578 corr corr corr

Nothing un-American about wanting to keep the America you grew up in.

Minding what ding says in #460 when you were growing up were you then a member of the as yet undamaged dominant culture?

I think each person should worship God as they see fit.

 

[BreezeWood]

Well, I never consider people who slander me or Liberals or Democrats as “Satanic” exactly “normal.” I have faced more than my fair share of such attacks over the years. I see many problems in supporting Trump ... period. I see particular hypocrisy in “Moral Majority” types supporting the utterly amoral Trump. Within their rights? Of course!

But I warn fanatically partisan evangelicals and other Christians who try to organize out of their Churches for Trump that many in our nation are becoming less tolerant of such activity, already in many cases technically illegal. There is no Constitutional right, merely traditional acceptance, for granting Churches special tax benefits. Churches were historically granted such benefits because they were long seen as providing socially important benefits to their communities. If they ever become seen as little more than political organizing centers for political campaigns, local pastors and mega church leaders alike may find their special tax benefits under assault. This is just one more reason I say many evangelicals of the “Christian Right” are hurting not just the reputation of Christianity but its future place in American society.

ONly when churches organize for those you oppose? It is still ok for them to organize politically if it is for politicians you support, such as black churches supporting Biden?

Not at all. But we are not talking about black and white issues. Personally I would be very sad to see Churches lose their non-profit and special “pastor” privileges. Churches do important things, meet spiritual and social needs in many communities. But of course here “churches” must include mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples as well. How do you feel about extending tax benefits to all these groups? Again, the country is changing, and we need to not discriminate .... among superstitious cults just as among ancient “religions” of every kind and sect.

This thread is about discriminating against Christians who support Trump. It is pretending that the low opinion of Trump that liberals have, combined with the low opinion liberals have of white evangelical Christians,


somehow justifies attacking, ridiculing, demonizing, marginalizing, who knows what else, evangelical Christians who support Trump.


For you to sort of acknowledge that, but only when combined with digs at Christianity and those that support Trump and then to immediately pivot to pretending that the problem is Christians discriminating against "mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples",


is disingenuous and implies support for the anti-Christian bigotry and discrimination we have seen in this thread.

.

This thread is about discriminating against Christians who support Trump. It is pretending that the low opinion of Trump that liberals have, combined with the low opinion liberals have of white evangelical Christians,


somehow justifies attacking, ridiculing, demonizing, marginalizing, who knows what else, evangelical Christians who support Trump.

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the reasons have been provided to you correll - stop making up false allegations to suit your own disregard for the objective facts.
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View attachment 397201
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christianity, the desert religions have recorded uninterrupted histories of persecution and victimization of the innocence from their beginnings to the present day ...

you yourself represent in your posts their past and present transgressions without a shred of remorse.

The Present Day is you trying to persecute and victimize your enemies today, because you have the upper hand, today.


That you justify your persecution and thuggery, with past injusticies done by other people in other times in other places,


is irrelevant to your actions.


You are a bully and an asshole and a bigot and an asshole.


Did I mention that you were an asshole?


Cause I don't want to forget that.


You asshole bigot.

.

Cause I don't want to forget that.

you yourself represent in your posts their past and present transgressions without a shred of remorse.

.
really -

you simply ignore the relevancy of why in your mind you accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of in association with your support of a corrupt entity, christianity mascaraing as a religion. and believe insults are a way to cleanse your own dark soul.

My position here is that the political support of President Trump by Evangelical Christians is fine and normal.


That you don't like Christianity, is your choice. My issue with it, is when you go beyond that, and start talking smack like you want to take action to prevent some Christians, those that disagree with you, from engaging in the political process.



They have the same human rights as you. YOur hate of them does not justify the discrimination and oppression you want to see done to them.

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They have the same human rights as you. YOur hate of them does not justify the discrimination and oppression you want to see done to them.

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you ignore the history of oppression exercised by the desert religions being the reason for their political exclusion written in the u s constitution to use your term against the actual historical fact you deny -
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and use juvenile slander to ingratiate your own subliminal desire to persecute and victimize the innocent as your 4th century christian bible instructs as its underlying goal for errant hegemony.

 

[BreezeWood]

I have already said what I think about the evangelical “Moral Majority” types and their embrace of the utterly amoral conman Trump.

Forget about that which is personal. Has the President and his administration done anything good or worthwhile in the past four years? Rate the Presidency, not the man.

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Forget about that which is personal. Has the President and his administration done anything good or worthwhile in the past four years? Rate the Presidency, not the man.

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meriweather was there for their vote -
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but otherwise is happy for the outcome.

 

[Correll]

Well, I never consider people who slander me or Liberals or Democrats as “Satanic” exactly “normal.” I have faced more than my fair share of such attacks over the years. I see many problems in supporting Trump ... period. I see particular hypocrisy in “Moral Majority” types supporting the utterly amoral Trump. Within their rights? Of course!

But I warn fanatically partisan evangelicals and other Christians who try to organize out of their Churches for Trump that many in our nation are becoming less tolerant of such activity, already in many cases technically illegal. There is no Constitutional right, merely traditional acceptance, for granting Churches special tax benefits. Churches were historically granted such benefits because they were long seen as providing socially important benefits to their communities. If they ever become seen as little more than political organizing centers for political campaigns, local pastors and mega church leaders alike may find their special tax benefits under assault. This is just one more reason I say many evangelicals of the “Christian Right” are hurting not just the reputation of Christianity but its future place in American society.

ONly when churches organize for those you oppose? It is still ok for them to organize politically if it is for politicians you support, such as black churches supporting Biden?

Not at all. But we are not talking about black and white issues. Personally I would be very sad to see Churches lose their non-profit and special “pastor” privileges. Churches do important things, meet spiritual and social needs in many communities. But of course here “churches” must include mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples as well. How do you feel about extending tax benefits to all these groups? Again, the country is changing, and we need to not discriminate .... among superstitious cults just as among ancient “religions” of every kind and sect.

This thread is about discriminating against Christians who support Trump. It is pretending that the low opinion of Trump that liberals have, combined with the low opinion liberals have of white evangelical Christians,


somehow justifies attacking, ridiculing, demonizing, marginalizing, who knows what else, evangelical Christians who support Trump.


For you to sort of acknowledge that, but only when combined with digs at Christianity and those that support Trump and then to immediately pivot to pretending that the problem is Christians discriminating against "mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples",


is disingenuous and implies support for the anti-Christian bigotry and discrimination we have seen in this thread.

.

This thread is about discriminating against Christians who support Trump. It is pretending that the low opinion of Trump that liberals have, combined with the low opinion liberals have of white evangelical Christians,


somehow justifies attacking, ridiculing, demonizing, marginalizing, who knows what else, evangelical Christians who support Trump.

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the reasons have been provided to you correll - stop making up false allegations to suit your own disregard for the objective facts.
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View attachment 397201
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christianity, the desert religions have recorded uninterrupted histories of persecution and victimization of the innocence from their beginnings to the present day ...

you yourself represent in your posts their past and present transgressions without a shred of remorse.

The Present Day is you trying to persecute and victimize your enemies today, because you have the upper hand, today.


That you justify your persecution and thuggery, with past injusticies done by other people in other times in other places,


is irrelevant to your actions.


You are a bully and an asshole and a bigot and an asshole.


Did I mention that you were an asshole?


Cause I don't want to forget that.


You asshole bigot.

.

Cause I don't want to forget that.

you yourself represent in your posts their past and present transgressions without a shred of remorse.

.
really -

you simply ignore the relevancy of why in your mind you accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of in association with your support of a corrupt entity, christianity mascaraing as a religion. and believe insults are a way to cleanse your own dark soul.

My position here is that the political support of President Trump by Evangelical Christians is fine and normal.


That you don't like Christianity, is your choice. My issue with it, is when you go beyond that, and start talking smack like you want to take action to prevent some Christians, those that disagree with you, from engaging in the political process.



They have the same human rights as you. YOur hate of them does not justify the discrimination and oppression you want to see done to them.

.

They have the same human rights as you. YOur hate of them does not justify the discrimination and oppression you want to see done to them.

.
you ignore the history of oppression exercised by the desert religions being the reason for their political exclusion written in the u s constitution to use your term against the actual historical fact you deny -
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View attachment 397346
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and use juvenile slander to ingratiate your own subliminal desire to persecute and victimize the innocent as your 4th century christian bible instructs as its underlying goal for errant hegemony.

nope. I ignore nothing.

History is full of oppression.

You today are using past oppression to justify the oppression you want to do to others who oppose you.


You are the bad guy here, not me.

 

[BreezeWood]

Well, I never consider people who slander me or Liberals or Democrats as “Satanic” exactly “normal.” I have faced more than my fair share of such attacks over the years. I see many problems in supporting Trump ... period. I see particular hypocrisy in “Moral Majority” types supporting the utterly amoral Trump. Within their rights? Of course!

But I warn fanatically partisan evangelicals and other Christians who try to organize out of their Churches for Trump that many in our nation are becoming less tolerant of such activity, already in many cases technically illegal. There is no Constitutional right, merely traditional acceptance, for granting Churches special tax benefits. Churches were historically granted such benefits because they were long seen as providing socially important benefits to their communities. If they ever become seen as little more than political organizing centers for political campaigns, local pastors and mega church leaders alike may find their special tax benefits under assault. This is just one more reason I say many evangelicals of the “Christian Right” are hurting not just the reputation of Christianity but its future place in American society.

ONly when churches organize for those you oppose? It is still ok for them to organize politically if it is for politicians you support, such as black churches supporting Biden?

Not at all. But we are not talking about black and white issues. Personally I would be very sad to see Churches lose their non-profit and special “pastor” privileges. Churches do important things, meet spiritual and social needs in many communities. But of course here “churches” must include mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples as well. How do you feel about extending tax benefits to all these groups? Again, the country is changing, and we need to not discriminate .... among superstitious cults just as among ancient “religions” of every kind and sect.

This thread is about discriminating against Christians who support Trump. It is pretending that the low opinion of Trump that liberals have, combined with the low opinion liberals have of white evangelical Christians,


somehow justifies attacking, ridiculing, demonizing, marginalizing, who knows what else, evangelical Christians who support Trump.


For you to sort of acknowledge that, but only when combined with digs at Christianity and those that support Trump and then to immediately pivot to pretending that the problem is Christians discriminating against "mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples",


is disingenuous and implies support for the anti-Christian bigotry and discrimination we have seen in this thread.

.

This thread is about discriminating against Christians who support Trump. It is pretending that the low opinion of Trump that liberals have, combined with the low opinion liberals have of white evangelical Christians,


somehow justifies attacking, ridiculing, demonizing, marginalizing, who knows what else, evangelical Christians who support Trump.

.
the reasons have been provided to you correll - stop making up false allegations to suit your own disregard for the objective facts.
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View attachment 397201
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christianity, the desert religions have recorded uninterrupted histories of persecution and victimization of the innocence from their beginnings to the present day ...

you yourself represent in your posts their past and present transgressions without a shred of remorse.

The Present Day is you trying to persecute and victimize your enemies today, because you have the upper hand, today.


That you justify your persecution and thuggery, with past injusticies done by other people in other times in other places,


is irrelevant to your actions.


You are a bully and an asshole and a bigot and an asshole.


Did I mention that you were an asshole?


Cause I don't want to forget that.


You asshole bigot.

.

Cause I don't want to forget that.

you yourself represent in your posts their past and present transgressions without a shred of remorse.

.
really -

you simply ignore the relevancy of why in your mind you accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of in association with your support of a corrupt entity, christianity mascaraing as a religion. and believe insults are a way to cleanse your own dark soul.

My position here is that the political support of President Trump by Evangelical Christians is fine and normal.


That you don't like Christianity, is your choice. My issue with it, is when you go beyond that, and start talking smack like you want to take action to prevent some Christians, those that disagree with you, from engaging in the political process.



They have the same human rights as you. YOur hate of them does not justify the discrimination and oppression you want to see done to them.

.

They have the same human rights as you. YOur hate of them does not justify the discrimination and oppression you want to see done to them.

.
you ignore the history of oppression exercised by the desert religions being the reason for their political exclusion written in the u s constitution to use your term against the actual historical fact you deny -
.
View attachment 397346
.
and use juvenile slander to ingratiate your own subliminal desire to persecute and victimize the innocent as your 4th century christian bible instructs as its underlying goal for errant hegemony.

nope. I ignore nothing.

History is full of oppression.

You today are using past oppression to justify the oppression you want to do to others who oppose you.


You are the bad guy here, not me.

.

You are the bad guy here, not me.

.
why is that correll -

I'm not using the death of a religious itinerant to deceivingly alter their purpose for nefarious political agendas disguised as a religion - that is you and your crutch.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

#752 reply to #742

Oh, sorry, I meant to say, WHITE Christian Nationalists. Cause race seems so very important to you.

It is crucially important to this discussion about flu-stricken TRUMPO and his COVID denying Evangelical Christians. That’s because of all the denominations and sects of Christianity in America
the most vocal advocates who insist we must accept that America was founded as a Christian Nation are white.

Why do you react to facts with such extreme nonsense.

Its not an accusation that they are racist or white supremacists or anything like that. It’s simply a matter of fact.

Do you have any data that rejects my understanding that a very large percentage of those who want America to be a Christian Nation are white Christian nationalists.

paranoid much?

 

[Correll]

Well, I never consider people who slander me or Liberals or Democrats as “Satanic” exactly “normal.” I have faced more than my fair share of such attacks over the years. I see many problems in supporting Trump ... period. I see particular hypocrisy in “Moral Majority” types supporting the utterly amoral Trump. Within their rights? Of course!

But I warn fanatically partisan evangelicals and other Christians who try to organize out of their Churches for Trump that many in our nation are becoming less tolerant of such activity, already in many cases technically illegal. There is no Constitutional right, merely traditional acceptance, for granting Churches special tax benefits. Churches were historically granted such benefits because they were long seen as providing socially important benefits to their communities. If they ever become seen as little more than political organizing centers for political campaigns, local pastors and mega church leaders alike may find their special tax benefits under assault. This is just one more reason I say many evangelicals of the “Christian Right” are hurting not just the reputation of Christianity but its future place in American society.

ONly when churches organize for those you oppose? It is still ok for them to organize politically if it is for politicians you support, such as black churches supporting Biden?

Not at all. But we are not talking about black and white issues. Personally I would be very sad to see Churches lose their non-profit and special “pastor” privileges. Churches do important things, meet spiritual and social needs in many communities. But of course here “churches” must include mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples as well. How do you feel about extending tax benefits to all these groups? Again, the country is changing, and we need to not discriminate .... among superstitious cults just as among ancient “religions” of every kind and sect.

This thread is about discriminating against Christians who support Trump. It is pretending that the low opinion of Trump that liberals have, combined with the low opinion liberals have of white evangelical Christians,


somehow justifies attacking, ridiculing, demonizing, marginalizing, who knows what else, evangelical Christians who support Trump.


For you to sort of acknowledge that, but only when combined with digs at Christianity and those that support Trump and then to immediately pivot to pretending that the problem is Christians discriminating against "mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples",


is disingenuous and implies support for the anti-Christian bigotry and discrimination we have seen in this thread.

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This thread is about discriminating against Christians who support Trump. It is pretending that the low opinion of Trump that liberals have, combined with the low opinion liberals have of white evangelical Christians,


somehow justifies attacking, ridiculing, demonizing, marginalizing, who knows what else, evangelical Christians who support Trump.

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the reasons have been provided to you correll - stop making up false allegations to suit your own disregard for the objective facts.
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christianity, the desert religions have recorded uninterrupted histories of persecution and victimization of the innocence from their beginnings to the present day ...

you yourself represent in your posts their past and present transgressions without a shred of remorse.

The Present Day is you trying to persecute and victimize your enemies today, because you have the upper hand, today.


That you justify your persecution and thuggery, with past injusticies done by other people in other times in other places,


is irrelevant to your actions.


You are a bully and an asshole and a bigot and an asshole.


Did I mention that you were an asshole?


Cause I don't want to forget that.


You asshole bigot.

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Cause I don't want to forget that.

you yourself represent in your posts their past and present transgressions without a shred of remorse.

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really -

you simply ignore the relevancy of why in your mind you accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of in association with your support of a corrupt entity, christianity mascaraing as a religion. and believe insults are a way to cleanse your own dark soul.

My position here is that the political support of President Trump by Evangelical Christians is fine and normal.


That you don't like Christianity, is your choice. My issue with it, is when you go beyond that, and start talking smack like you want to take action to prevent some Christians, those that disagree with you, from engaging in the political process.



They have the same human rights as you. YOur hate of them does not justify the discrimination and oppression you want to see done to them.

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They have the same human rights as you. YOur hate of them does not justify the discrimination and oppression you want to see done to them.

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you ignore the history of oppression exercised by the desert religions being the reason for their political exclusion written in the u s constitution to use your term against the actual historical fact you deny -
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and use juvenile slander to ingratiate your own subliminal desire to persecute and victimize the innocent as your 4th century christian bible instructs as its underlying goal for errant hegemony.

nope. I ignore nothing.

History is full of oppression.

You today are using past oppression to justify the oppression you want to do to others who oppose you.


You are the bad guy here, not me.

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You are the bad guy here, not me.

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why is that correll -

I'm not using the death of a religious itinerant to deceivingly alter their purpose for nefarious political agendas disguised as a religion - that is you and your crutch.

Because you want to deprive a group that you hate of their human rights, based on your bigotry.


That is why you are the bad guy.



My political agenda is clear. I spend hours here every day, talking to anyone that will listen about what it is.


You are a ******* retard.

 

[Correll]

#752 reply to #742

Oh, sorry, I meant to say, WHITE Christian Nationalists. Cause race seems so very important to you.

It is crucially important to this discussion about flu-stricken TRUMPO and his COVID denying Evangelical Christians. That’s because of all the denominations and sects of Christianity in America
the most vocal advocates who insist we must accept that America was founded as a Christian Nation are white.

Why do you react to facts with such extreme nonsense.

Its not an accusation that they are racist or white supremacists or anything like that. It’s simply a matter of fact.

Do you have any data that rejects my understanding that a very large percentage of those who want America to be a Christian Nation are white Christian nationalists.

paranoid much?

How does the skin color of the people involved matter?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

#755 reply to #754

How does the skin color of the people involved matter?

The skin color of the group of church going Christians shouting their lie in the public square that America was founded as a Christian nation is white and it matters.

Black church going Christians are not telling that lie.

So we have a small percentage among all white Christians that are lying Christians. We have zero to very few black Christians that are lying Christians.

Why do you want to lump black honest Christians in with the same group of lying white Christians.

 

[Correll]

#755 reply to #754

How does the skin color of the people involved matter?

The skin color of the group of church going Christians shouting their lie in the public square that America was founded as a Christian nation is white and it matters.

Black church going Christians are not telling that lie.

So we have a small percentage among all white Christians that are lying Christians. We have zero to very few black Christians that are lying Christians.

Why do you want to lump black honest Christians in with the same group of lying white Christians.

If you are specifying Christian Nationalists, then unless the black Christians in question are Christian Nationalists, then you are NOT lumping them in.


So, what is your real reason for always mentioning skin color?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

“I [Tom Paine] addressed the claim by @PoliticalChic that our nation ‘was founded as a Christian nation...’”

This was definitely my mistake. I was thinking of her phrase “based on the Bible.” Actually I only addressed historical issues, in historical context, raised by her misleading statement:

“America was not founded to be a Christian only nation.
It was never meant to be a theocracy. But it was founded by orthodox Christians, based on the Judeo-Christian Bible....which was the single most quoted document by the Founders, and points to Jesus Christ in the text of the Constitution. Segments of our founding documents come directly from the Bible.”

When I make a mistake, as here, I admit it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

“I [Tom Paine] addressed the claim by @PoliticalChic that our nation ‘was founded as a Christian nation...’”

This was definitely my mistake. I was thinking of her phrase “based on the Bible.” Actually I only addressed historical issues, in historical context, raised by her misleading statement:

“America was not founded to be a Christian only nation.
It was never meant to be a theocracy. But it was founded by orthodox Christians, based on the Judeo-Christian Bible....which was the single most quoted document by the Founders, and points to Jesus Christ in the text of the Constitution. Segments of our founding documents come directly from the Bible.”

When I make a mistake, as here, I admit it.

And I appreciate that.

 

[BreezeWood]

Well, I never consider people who slander me or Liberals or Democrats as “Satanic” exactly “normal.” I have faced more than my fair share of such attacks over the years. I see many problems in supporting Trump ... period. I see particular hypocrisy in “Moral Majority” types supporting the utterly amoral Trump. Within their rights? Of course!

But I warn fanatically partisan evangelicals and other Christians who try to organize out of their Churches for Trump that many in our nation are becoming less tolerant of such activity, already in many cases technically illegal. There is no Constitutional right, merely traditional acceptance, for granting Churches special tax benefits. Churches were historically granted such benefits because they were long seen as providing socially important benefits to their communities. If they ever become seen as little more than political organizing centers for political campaigns, local pastors and mega church leaders alike may find their special tax benefits under assault. This is just one more reason I say many evangelicals of the “Christian Right” are hurting not just the reputation of Christianity but its future place in American society.

ONly when churches organize for those you oppose? It is still ok for them to organize politically if it is for politicians you support, such as black churches supporting Biden?

Not at all. But we are not talking about black and white issues. Personally I would be very sad to see Churches lose their non-profit and special “pastor” privileges. Churches do important things, meet spiritual and social needs in many communities. But of course here “churches” must include mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples as well. How do you feel about extending tax benefits to all these groups? Again, the country is changing, and we need to not discriminate .... among superstitious cults just as among ancient “religions” of every kind and sect.

This thread is about discriminating against Christians who support Trump. It is pretending that the low opinion of Trump that liberals have, combined with the low opinion liberals have of white evangelical Christians,


somehow justifies attacking, ridiculing, demonizing, marginalizing, who knows what else, evangelical Christians who support Trump.


For you to sort of acknowledge that, but only when combined with digs at Christianity and those that support Trump and then to immediately pivot to pretending that the problem is Christians discriminating against "mosques and synagogues and pagan religious temples",


is disingenuous and implies support for the anti-Christian bigotry and discrimination we have seen in this thread.

.

This thread is about discriminating against Christians who support Trump. It is pretending that the low opinion of Trump that liberals have, combined with the low opinion liberals have of white evangelical Christians,


somehow justifies attacking, ridiculing, demonizing, marginalizing, who knows what else, evangelical Christians who support Trump.

.
the reasons have been provided to you correll - stop making up false allegations to suit your own disregard for the objective facts.
.
View attachment 397201
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christianity, the desert religions have recorded uninterrupted histories of persecution and victimization of the innocence from their beginnings to the present day ...

you yourself represent in your posts their past and present transgressions without a shred of remorse.

The Present Day is you trying to persecute and victimize your enemies today, because you have the upper hand, today.


That you justify your persecution and thuggery, with past injusticies done by other people in other times in other places,


is irrelevant to your actions.


You are a bully and an asshole and a bigot and an asshole.


Did I mention that you were an asshole?


Cause I don't want to forget that.


You asshole bigot.

.

Cause I don't want to forget that.

you yourself represent in your posts their past and present transgressions without a shred of remorse.

.
really -

you simply ignore the relevancy of why in your mind you accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of in association with your support of a corrupt entity, christianity mascaraing as a religion. and believe insults are a way to cleanse your own dark soul.

My position here is that the political support of President Trump by Evangelical Christians is fine and normal.


That you don't like Christianity, is your choice. My issue with it, is when you go beyond that, and start talking smack like you want to take action to prevent some Christians, those that disagree with you, from engaging in the political process.



They have the same human rights as you. YOur hate of them does not justify the discrimination and oppression you want to see done to them.

.

They have the same human rights as you. YOur hate of them does not justify the discrimination and oppression you want to see done to them.

.
you ignore the history of oppression exercised by the desert religions being the reason for their political exclusion written in the u s constitution to use your term against the actual historical fact you deny -
.
View attachment 397346
.
and use juvenile slander to ingratiate your own subliminal desire to persecute and victimize the innocent as your 4th century christian bible instructs as its underlying goal for errant hegemony.

nope. I ignore nothing.

History is full of oppression.

You today are using past oppression to justify the oppression you want to do to others who oppose you.


You are the bad guy here, not me.

.

You are the bad guy here, not me.

.
why is that correll -

I'm not using the death of a religious itinerant to deceivingly alter their purpose for nefarious political agendas disguised as a religion - that is you and your crutch.

Because you want to deprive a group that you hate of their human rights, based on your bigotry.


That is why you are the bad guy.



My political agenda is clear. I spend hours here every day, talking to anyone that will listen about what it is.


You are a ******* retard.

.

I'm not using the death of a religious itinerant to deceivingly alter their purpose for nefarious political agendas disguised as a religion - that is you and your crutch.

My political agenda is clear. I spend hours here every day, talking to anyone that will listen about what it is.

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"spend hours" ... get a life, something better than purposeless selfgratification.

- you are using a corrupt religion with a history of social disorder as the basis for your politics you have failed to defend as a legitimate undertaking after requests for clarification you have not provided.

 

[ding]

#740 reply to #460 and 578
#460 ding ding ding

That's multiculturalism and it's aimed at destroying the dominant culture of a nation

Is religious pluralism doing the same damage to what you consider the dominant culture?


#578 corr corr corr

Nothing un-American about wanting to keep the America you grew up in.

Minding what ding says in #460 when you were growing up were you then a member of the as yet undamaged dominant culture?

I think each person should worship God as they see fit.

Must have been a winning answer