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FYI... a larger share of African Americans than whites say they are Christian.
But Black Christians are not trying to force their religion on non-Christian US citizens by insisting we all live in their Christian Nation founded by white Christians and we should be thankful that these white Christians are restrained by the US Constitution

I’m sure thankful that the JESUS-less US Constitution has restrained these white Christians and that their numbers are dwindling.
The proportion of US adults who are white born-again or evangelical Protestants – the religious group which strives hardest to see its political agenda adopted – is now 16%, down from 19% a decade ago.https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/17/americans-less-christian-religion-survey-pew​
I don't see that happening period.

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I'm glad you found something that makes you happy.
I’m in favor of Christians standing up to Christian nationalism.
Christians Against Christian Nationalism
As Christians, our faith teaches us everyone is created in God’s image and commands us to love one another. As Americans, we value our system of government and the good that can be accomplished in our constitutional democracy. Today, we are concerned about a persistent threat to both our religious communities and our democracy — Christian nationalism.​

Christian nationalism seeks to merge Christian and American identities, distorting both the Christian faith and America’s constitutional democracy. Christian nationalism demands Christianity be privileged by the State and implies that to be a good American, one must be Christian. It often overlaps with and provides cover for white supremacy and racial subjugation. We reject this damaging political ideology and invite our Christian brothers and sisters to join us in opposing this threat to our faith and to our nation.​

As Christians, we are bound to Christ, not by citizenship, but by faith. We believe that:​

  • People of all faiths and none have the right and responsibility to engage constructively in the public square.
  • Patriotism does not require us to minimize our religious convictions.
  • One’s religious affiliation, or lack thereof, should be irrelevant to one’s standing in the civic community.
  • Government should not prefer one religion over another or religion over nonreligion.
  • Religious instruction is best left to our houses of worship, other religious institutions and families.
  • America’s historic commitment to religious pluralism enables faith communities to live in civic harmony with one another without sacrificing our theological convictions.
  • Conflating religious authority with political authority is idolatrous and often leads to oppression of minority and other marginalized groups as well as the spiritual impoverishment of religion.
  • We must stand up to and speak out against Christian nationalism, especially when it inspires acts of violence and intimidation—including vandalism, bomb threats, arson, hate crimes, and attacks on houses of worship—against religious communities at home and abroad.
Whether we worship at a church, mosque, synagogue, or temple, America has no second-class faiths. All are equal under the U.S. Constitution. As Christians, we must speak in one voice condemning Christian nationalism as a distortion of the gospel of Jesus and a threat to American democracy.​
 

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I entertained the idea of reparations for slavery, it WAS within the real of probability. They lost me, slavery ended 155 years ago. Rioting and destroying stuff, um no fuck racism. Its happening NOW. Racism is a lie. Riots are very real...
If we are going to consider reparations it should be for existing blacks to pay us for allowing them to stay in the US and make this their home. We pay many monthly for food, rent and medical treatments when needed. If they were still living in a tribe in Africa, what would their life be? Would they own a car, computer, a wardrobe and be considered "poor?" Doubt it.
White people get money for food, rent and medical treatment. What are those reparations for?
White people aren't asking for reparations.
1.Arguendo is a Latin legal term meaning for the sake of argument.
Arguendo - Wikipedia

Before the knee jerk aspersions learned in government school kick in (see what I did there?), let’s try this as an intellectual exercise: examples of evil as the motivation, as the fuel for many events and doctrines, abound. Consider the case of the Las Vegas shooter by whose actions 868 people were injured, and 60 killed, with no benefit to the shooter….and, as of this date, no motive. Call it evil.

Now, take the further step of personification of evil, as Satan, or as Obama’s mentor, Saul Alinsky posited, Lucifer….just as God can be viewed as the personification of good.



2. Now, bigger picture: Richard Wurmbrand begins his book “Marx and Satan,” [*Wurmbrand, Marx and Satan, https://legiochristi.com/static/lit/Marx_and_Satan.pdf] this way: “Marxism today governs over one third of mankind. If it could be shown that the originators and perpetrators of this movement were indeed behind-closed doors devil-worshipers, consciously exploiting Satanic powers, would not such a startling realization require action?”
I’d say a careful consideration of such a widespread power of evil a worthy endeavor, rather than dismissing it out of hand.




3. “Paul Kengor is a professor of political science at Grove City College in Grove City, Pennsylvania. He has just published "The Devil and Karl Marx,"
The Devil and Karl Marx

4. The book has come out during an important time in our history since so many Americans, particularly our youth, have fallen for the seductive siren song of socialism taught to them by the academic elite.

5. "The Black Book of Communism," edited by Stephane Courtois, details the Marxist-Leninist death toll in the 20th century. Here is the breakdown: USSR, 20 million deaths; China, 65 million; Vietnam, 1 million; North Korea and Cambodia, 2 million each; Eastern Europe, 1 million; and about 3.5 million in Latin America, Africa and Afghanistan. These figures understate those detailed by Professor R.J. Rummel in "Death by Government." He finds that from 1917 until its collapse, the Soviet Union murdered or caused the death of 61 million people, mostly its own citizens. From 1949 to 1976, Communist China's Mao Zedong regime was responsible for the death of as many as 78 million of its own citizens.” The Devil and Karl Marx



6. Evil “ There are certain words that have passed out of the realm of public debate. One of them is the word “evil.” Its disuse is certainly not because the world is any less dangerous, or because people have finally gotten the better of their base nature, or because Satan has been neutered. When was the last time you heard anyone use the word in common conversation? When was the last time it was uttered by one of your political leaders?”
What does the Bible say about recognizing evil?

The doctrines that result in million upon millions of dead human being are evil.



Evil always takes advantage of ignorance (Proverbs 7:6–27)

If the Bible isn’t your source of knowledge, Santayana put it this way:

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Acts 4
32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.


Which has what to do with the OP? A sign of your indoctrination?

The Bible has naught to do with and certainly doesn't endorse, socialism.
Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, et al



And this is the face of government coercion.....


Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together with Vyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of thecollectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor. He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, the Kuban region, Crimea, the lower Volga region, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, and Siberia demanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
That religious freedom was enshrined in the Constitution, does not mean that the nation was not a Christian nation.
Since no one had to be a Christian to be an American citizen under the new Constitution m, there is no way it truthfully can be said that America was founded as a Christian nation.

Sure it can. The nation was massively majority Christian, with Christians dominating every aspect of public life and with Churches happy to engage in politics and Christian ideas and culture enshrined in law and culture.

That it also respected the religious freedom of every citizen, including religious minorities, does not conflict with that.
So where exactly did Jesus command His followers to seize earthly political power and set up Christian nations, where they can then lord over and dominate others?
Your pretense that it is the Christians who are the would be tyrants in our society today, is not fooling anyone. Try again lefty.
I'm sorry! Since Christianity became the dominate religion in the West it's been a shining example of liberty and toleration.

Compared to the alternatives, yes.
 

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I am white. That you find that to be important to the discussion, says a lot about you. I don't give a damn what color you are.
It is important to the discussion because of the fact that just about the only Americans that are clamoring for the need to identify America as a Christian Nation are white Christians Evangelicals.

Its important not to allow the Christian Nation fallacy stand because the white Christian evangelicals do not represent all Americans or a majority of Christians when they spread the full lie:

The full lie is that America was founded as a white Christian Nation by white Christians and was subsequently undermined by godless liberals, minorities and humanists controlled by some powerful cabal of secular elite.

Most Christians don’t believe the white evangelical lie. Why do we need to keep hearing it from those who cannot defend it.

Name one issue where this is important. Because I think that this is not about that, it is about you justifying your anti-Christian bigotry and your racism.
 

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Because the secular elite he is carrying water for, is using him to support their anti-Christian bigotry.
Just a reminder Correll that you were asked to provide the source of the above referenced claim about (duped) Reverend Darby’s conclusion that America was not founded as a Christian Nation. I’m confident that you cannot verify how you know a black Christian preacher is nothing other than a duped stooge of white anti-Christian elites, which leads me to conclude that it is very easy for you to lie about a Christian man from the minority black religious community because your advocacy for Christian Nationalism and Supremacy with God on your side leads you to subconsciously believe that your Christian religion is a sufficient shield of the racist motivation to absurdly label Reverend Darby a dupe of Anti-Christian elites as part of your argunent.


Here is a quote by one of your fellow white Christian Nationalists for the record:

The late Jerry Falwell once said, "The idea of separation of church and state was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country..”

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It actually does not hurt my position, even if the majority of Christians disagree with me. THeir opinion does not negate historical facts, such as the massive majority that Christians had at the time of the Founding and for the most of our history.
The correct and proper way to define the nation in which You, me, Jerry Falwell Jr and Reverend Darby is:

“Anerica was founded when there was a Protestant Christian majority living on its soil.”

Whats wrong with being factually accurate and precise in your words.

When you say America was founded as a Christian Nation you are saying the white Protestant Christian majority exclusively founded America for the white Christian Protestant majority to be able to tolerate non-Christian beliefs or non religious beliefs who were in the minority.

It is wrong and you should know it.



By virtue of you taking exception with the phrase "Christian nation," I think you have. America can be a Christian nation without being a theocracy which is what you are really arguing against.
CONGRATULATIONS to ding: Actually post ed something besides a mindless insult.

See the quote by the late REVEREND Jerry Falwell above. Forgive for not trusting that white Christian Nationalists will not as Falwell makes clear achieve their goal to enable Christians to run their own country.

I do not live in a Christian Nation and I won’t let it happen in my watch by defending the US Constitution in all its secular glory.
 
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1. I don't care what color Darby is.
But you excessively care that white 18th Century Protestant Christians get all the credit for founding the Christian Nation that Mr Darby is so fortunate to live in today.

No, I don't. YOu brought it up. This is massively important to YOU. And I think I know why.

Reverend Darby’s race matters to this discussion because you count black Christians and millions of other Christians who are aligned more politically left than you , to form the basis of your argument that America was founded as a Christian Nation and still is.
YOU are the one that started the discussion on whether this nation was founded as a Christian Nation, and/is still a Christian Nation. In the context of that discussion, them being Christians is relevant. Them not agreeing with me politically is not.





Your argument is based on white Christian majority status at the time of the founding, but you cannot see the absurdity of counting a black man, who rejects your argument, in that majority. And you call him a dupe as if he has no mind if his own.

He does not have to agree with me, for him to still count as a Christian. My position is that this nation was and is a Christian Nation, not that it is a <insert detailed description of mine ideology and beliefs> nation.

And I call him a dupe because I am giving him the benefit of a doubt that he is a victim of lies, instead of one of the liars.
 

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FYI... a larger share of African Americans than whites say they are Christian.
But Black Christians are not trying to force their religion on non-Christian US citizens by insisting we all live in their Christian Nation founded by white Christians and we should be thankful that these white Christians are restrained by the US Constitution

I’m sure thankful that the JESUS-less US Constitution has restrained these white Christians and that their numbers are dwindling.
The proportion of US adults who are white born-again or evangelical Protestants – the religious group which strives hardest to see its political agenda adopted – is now 16%, down from 19% a decade ago.https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/17/americans-less-christian-religion-survey-pew​
I don't see that happening period.

I'm glad you found something that makes you happy.

It's not. Lefties like to pretend it is, to justify their attempts to drive Christians and Christianity from the Public Square.
 

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Because the secular elite he is carrying water for, is using him to support their anti-Christian bigotry.
Just a reminder Correll that you were asked to provide the source of the above referenced claim about (duped) Reverend Darby’s conclusion that America was not founded as a Christian Nation. I’m confident that you cannot verify how you know a black Christian preacher is nothing other than a duped stooge of white anti-Christian elites, which leads me to conclude that it is very easy for you to lie about a Christian man from the minority black religious community because your advocacy for Christian Nationalism and Supremacy with God on your side leads you to subconsciously believe that your Christian religion is a sufficient shield of the racist motivation to absurdly label Reverend Darby a dupe of Anti-Christian elites as part of your argunent.


Here is a quote by one of your fellow white Christian Nationalists for the record:

The late Jerry Falwell once said, "The idea of separation of church and state was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country..”

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It actually does not hurt my position, even if the majority of Christians disagree with me. THeir opinion does not negate historical facts, such as the massive majority that Christians had at the time of the Founding and for the most of our history.
The correct and proper way to define the nation in which You, me, Jerry Falwell Jr and Reverend Darby is:

“Anerica was founded when there was a Protestant Christian majority living on its soil.”

Whats wrong with being factually accurate and precise in your words.

When you say America was founded as a Christian Nation you are saying the white Protestant Christian majority exclusively founded America for the white Christian Protestant majority to be able to tolerate non-Christian beliefs or non religious beliefs who were in the minority.

It is wrong and you should know it.



By virtue of you taking exception with the phrase "Christian nation," I think you have. America can be a Christian nation without being a theocracy which is what you are really arguing against.
CONGRATULATIONS to ding: Actually post ed something besides a mindless insult.

See the quote by the late REVEREND Jerry Falwell above. Forgive for not trusting that white Christian Nationalists will not as Falwell makes clear achieve their goal to enable Christians to run their own country.

I do not live in a Christian Nation and I won’t let it happen in my watch by defending the US Constitution in all its secular glory.

America was not founded to be a Christian only nation.
It was never meant to be a theocracy.

But it was founded by orthodox Christians, based on the Judeo-Christian Bible....which was the single most quoted document by the Founders, and points to Jesus Christ in the text of the Constitution. Segments of our founding documents come directly from the Bible.


That religion and that book were always seen as the guidance that would form the basis of our morality.

It is the neo-Marxist influence of government school that has corrupted your view and deprived you of the truth. I doubt you will ever recover from said intellectual abuse.
 

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Lefties like to pretend it is, to justify their attempts to drive Christians and Christianity from the Public Square.
For the record the Christian share of the US population is in steady decline and it has been for decades and millennials are more solidly secular minded than previous generations.

Also for the record I passionately welcome white Evangelical Christian Nationalists under the absolute spiritual leadership of Bible Holder extraordinaries Donald J Trump to the public square.

We need to see them and debate them in the light of day for what they truly are.
 
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I'm glad you found something that makes you happy.
I’m in favor of Christians standing up to Christian nationalism.
Christians Against Christian Nationalism
As Christians, our faith teaches us everyone is created in God’s image and commands us to love one another. As Americans, we value our system of government and the good that can be accomplished in our constitutional democracy. Today, we are concerned about a persistent threat to both our religious communities and our democracy — Christian nationalism.​

Christian nationalism seeks to merge Christian and American identities, distorting both the Christian faith and America’s constitutional democracy. Christian nationalism demands Christianity be privileged by the State and implies that to be a good American, one must be Christian. It often overlaps with and provides cover for white supremacy and racial subjugation. We reject this damaging political ideology and invite our Christian brothers and sisters to join us in opposing this threat to our faith and to our nation.​

As Christians, we are bound to Christ, not by citizenship, but by faith. We believe that:​

  • People of all faiths and none have the right and responsibility to engage constructively in the public square.
  • Patriotism does not require us to minimize our religious convictions.
  • One’s religious affiliation, or lack thereof, should be irrelevant to one’s standing in the civic community.
  • Government should not prefer one religion over another or religion over nonreligion.
  • Religious instruction is best left to our houses of worship, other religious institutions and families.
  • America’s historic commitment to religious pluralism enables faith communities to live in civic harmony with one another without sacrificing our theological convictions.
  • Conflating religious authority with political authority is idolatrous and often leads to oppression of minority and other marginalized groups as well as the spiritual impoverishment of religion.
  • We must stand up to and speak out against Christian nationalism, especially when it inspires acts of violence and intimidation—including vandalism, bomb threats, arson, hate crimes, and attacks on houses of worship—against religious communities at home and abroad.
Whether we worship at a church, mosque, synagogue, or temple, America has no second-class faiths. All are equal under the U.S. Constitution. As Christians, we must speak in one voice condemning Christian nationalism as a distortion of the gospel of Jesus and a threat to American democracy.​
Sounds like you have a bit of Saul Alinski agenda in you.
 

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Trump has shown some amazing things about religion in America and particularly Evangelicals when it comes to political power. You would think Trump Christ-like. But I fail to remember Christ being in favor of caging children or breaking up families. Did I miss that? Two pieces below help, it isn't about being religious, is it? What then of religion? Has it lost its holiness, its goodness.

'How the evangelical movement became Trump's "bitch" — and yes, I know what that word signifies'

'As an evangelical myself, I can see how far the movement has sunk — even to betraying its own ideal of masculinity'



"His most notable advice for interacting with half the human population is "grab 'em by the pussy". Who could have predicted such an alliance?"

Climate too. Why not pray away hurricanes floods and fires, poverty too while they are at it. Interesting how the mixture of politics and religion accomplishes so little good.

'Faith and politics mix to drive evangelical Christians’ climate change denial'


'Climate science denial may stem more from politics than religion'

'Social scientist Dan Kahan rejects the idea of an automatic link between religiosity and any anti-science bias. He argues that religiosity only incidentally tracks science denial because some scientific findings have become “culturally antagonistic” to some identity groups.'


"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." Matthew 6:24
If you anything about JESUS, you would know HE doesn't like fake news.

You are talking about criminals breaking into a country and if you don't have intruders living in your house then you are a Hypocrite. Do you have intruders living in your house??? I didn't think so.

Trump never "advised" men to "grab 'em by the pussy"; he said that some women liked that. Since there are BILLIONS of women in the world, "some" is more then likely true. At the same time, "some" would respond violently. Besides, this was a private discussion between two men and do you really want GOD to judge all your private conversations you had with your male friends? Probably not.

And Trump is fighting for the rights of persecuted Christians.

 

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It would be so refreshing to have an honest discussion for once with an advocate for abortion.
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It would be so refreshing to have an honest discussion for once with an advocate for abortion.
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- and your purpose for the "discussion" you have not already imposed by your incendiary statements.
To state the obvious; that it is wrong to abort a human life.
To state the obvious; that it is wrong to abort a human life.
but murdering everything else in Garden Earth is ok -
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you've not explained how having a vasectomy or using a condom is not the same as an abortion ... fill us in.

That is moronic. Completely moronic.
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That is moronic. Completely moronic.
but murdering everything else in Garden Earth is ok - you've not explained how having a vasectomy or using a condom is not the same as an abortion ... fill us in.
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don't be a coward, give it a whirll -
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have you your letter from the priest, their permission for your vasectomy ... bing fixed it for himself no different than an abortion.

A sperm is not a human life you fucking moron. A fertilized egg, is. THe sperm by itself, will not grow up and one day have a family of it's own.

The fertilized egg, will. Because it is a human life. A brand new human life, with a lot of growing in front of him or her, but a human never the less.
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What part of that, is too hard for you to understand?
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preventative intervention is the same no matter when it occurs - and is the choice made by the individual involved - bing chose abortion for himself while denying the same to others the same as you and your self centric, qualifying motivations intervening against the lives of others you have no legitimacy being involved with.
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The sperm is not.
you are a joke by using a condom you are preventing a birth. the very purpose of a vasectomy is the prevention of life - your doing nothing more than screaming fire in a packed theatre.

Except it obvious does matter whether the intervention occurs, before the parts come together it is parts that could become something greater if the right chain of events happens,


and later on, it is a human being.
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Except it obvious does matter whether the intervention occurs, before the parts come together it is parts that could become something greater if the right chain of events happens,
and later on, it is a human being.
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the line you yourself have drawn is not conciliatory, the intervention is the same result no matter when it occurs - you are nothing more than a disingenuous sociopathic zealot.

at least build and sale your chastity belt you alone have the key for, they will be forever in your debt.

THe line is not one I have drawn, the line is the difference between a human life and not a human life.


YOur denial of this, is you just stonewalling like a troll.
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THe line is not one I have drawn, the line is the difference between a human life and not a human life.


YOur denial of this, is you just stonewalling like a troll.
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no, its your making a false issue from the same result - from beginning to end.

you must have no intervention, intercourse but only for the sole purpose you deem as animalistic reproduction whether or not pregnancy is the result for your objection to be valid.

and they will need your approval to make the attempt being certain by your presence no mistakes or loss of fluids occurs.

No, I mustn't. Your words have no weight to them. They are structured as though it is a conclusion with a supporting argument.

But, your claims are empty assertions, with no actual reasons or logic to give them weight.
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No, I mustn't. Your words have no weight to them. They are structured as though it is a conclusion with a supporting argument.

But, your claims are empty assertions, with no actual reasons or logic to give them weight.
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you mustn't what - bear witness to their intercourse to preserve whatever may spill from their bedside.

You said I must. I said, NOT.

You went weird, because you cannot support your conclusion. Yet you will hold to it, for reasons you can not, or will not share.
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You went weird, because you cannot support your conclusion. Yet you will hold to it, for reasons you can not, or will not share.
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preventative intervention is the same no matter when it occurs - and is the choice made by the individual involved -
the line you yourself have drawn is not conciliatory, the intervention is the same result no matter when it occurs -
no, its your making a false issue from the same result - from beginning to end.
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my position has been made perfectly clear - your end run is nothing more than sociopathic zealotry.

Yes, your position is clear. It just refuses to recognize that a fertilized egg is different than a sperm cell.

ie, you are delusional.
He's a subversive. He's knows he's making a bullshit argument. But it's the stupidest argument one could make.
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He's a subversive. He's knows he's making a bullshit argument. But it's the stupidest argument one could make.
Yes, your position is clear. It just refuses to recognize that a fertilized egg is different than a sperm cell.

ie, you are delusional.
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there is no difference in the end result for any intervention whenever it occurs - bing's vasectomy is the same as an abortion.
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Your pretense that it is the Christians who are the would be tyrants in our society today, is not fooling anyone. Try again lefty.
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there is no pretense to recorded history -

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christianity is a religion of persecution and victimization of the innocent, uninterrupted since the 4th century to the present day - in this country particularly by their vestiture from the beginning in slavery and other brutalities to indigenous and other peoples of meekness made vulnerable to their evil. correll.
 

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Sounds like you have a bit of Saul Alinski agenda in you.
You bring up Saul Alinksi. I don’t know much about him, so please tell how Salinki is related to this debate and the message you are responding to.
 

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America was not founded to be a Christian only nation.
That’s true. Good for you. So why do you support white Protestant Evangelical Christians going around spewing an untrue statement that America was founded as a Christian Nation and is a Christian nation.

I’m not a Christian and I do not live in a Christian Nation. I live a nation where the majority profess to be Christian of one Denomination or another. The majority of them are not clamoring to the world that America was founded as a Christian Nation.

So why are you?
 

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America was not founded to be a Christian only nation.
That’s true. Good for you. So why do you support white Protestant Evangelical Christians going around spewing an untrue statement that America was founded as a Christian Nation and is a Christian nation.

I’m not a Christian and I do not live in a Christian Nation. I live a nation where the majority profess to be Christian of one Denomination or another. The majority of them are not clamoring to the world that America was founded as a Christian Nation.

So why are you?


I only post the truth.


This is the truth, and what I support:
America was not founded to be a Christian only nation.
It was never meant to be a theocracy.

But it was founded by orthodox Christians, based on the Judeo-Christian Bible....which was the single most quoted document by the Founders, and points to Jesus Christ in the text of the Constitution. Segments of our founding documents come directly from the Bible.


That religion and that book were always seen as the guidance that would form the basis of our morality.

It is the neo-Marxist influence of government school that has corrupted your view and deprived you of the truth. I doubt you will ever recover from said intellectual abuse.
 

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Name one issue where this is important. Because I think that this is not about that, it is about you justifying your anti-Christian bigotry and your racism.
Kindly post specific examples of me expressing anti-Christian bigotry. I’m for pluralism and multiculturalism and that fully applies to Christianity in all forms.


As for me being racist - you are desperate to find coherency but you won’t find it there.
 

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