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Because the secular elite he is carrying water for, is using him to support their anti-Christian bigotry.
Do you know as a matter of fact that Darby a Black Christian Preacher obtained his conclusion that America was not founded as a Christian Nation from a cabal of evil fuched up secular elites? if you don’t have any evidence of that you are lying to have maintain your argument.

America was not founded as a Christian Nation. That is a facts based conclusion reached by millions of Americans of all religions and non-religions including millions of Christians like Reverend Darby.

Your mindless dismissal of millions of right thinking Americans including Christians that cannot agree with you tells me that you are some kind white Christian supremacist elite.


1. I don't care what color Darby is. That you do, is on you.

2. I got that he reached his conclusion. Wow. Thanks for clarifying that.

3. I've made my argument. Your citing an Authority, based on him being black, it seems.

4. Your logical fallacy of appeal to popularity is noted and dismissed. Your argument is invalid.

5. I am not dismissing them. I am dismissing the idea that their beliefs are more important than historical and/or current reality. Do you understand that their beliefs do not define reality?
 

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Notice everyone EXCPEPT 'ding' is capable of posting more than one sentence, and can use sources to back their claims.
ding is just a Lying-for-Jesus multi-posting TROLL with NO real contribution... ever.

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I come with my own personal warning label. I must be dangerous. :lol:
 

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...tells me that you are some kind white Christian supremacist elite
Wow.

Yeah, he is batshit crazy.
I'm curious... do you agree with abu afak 's assessment that ding is just a Lying-for-Jesus multi-posting TROLL with NO real contribution... ever?

Because you indicated that by agreeing with his post. Was that a mistake? Or do you agree with him?

It was a mistake. I was distracted by the time sensitive need to take the dog for a walk.
 

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He’s White. He thinks Christianity is the supreme religion in America - if you want to duspute he’s an elite OK fine. Maybe that was too much!

I am white. That you find that to be important to the discussion, says a lot about you. I don't give a damn what color you are.

I think America is a Christian Nation, where the Right to Religious Freedom is well protected.


That that bothers you, is something wrong with you, not me.
 

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I entertained the idea of reparations for slavery, it WAS within the real of probability. They lost me, slavery ended 155 years ago. Rioting and destroying stuff, um no fuck racism. Its happening NOW. Racism is a lie. Riots are very real...
If we are going to consider reparations it should be for existing blacks to pay us for allowing them to stay in the US and make this their home. We pay many monthly for food, rent and medical treatments when needed. If they were still living in a tribe in Africa, what would their life be? Would they own a car, computer, a wardrobe and be considered "poor?" Doubt it.
White people get money for food, rent and medical treatment. What are those reparations for?
White people aren't asking for reparations.
1.Arguendo is a Latin legal term meaning for the sake of argument.
Arguendo - Wikipedia

Before the knee jerk aspersions learned in government school kick in (see what I did there?), let’s try this as an intellectual exercise: examples of evil as the motivation, as the fuel for many events and doctrines, abound. Consider the case of the Las Vegas shooter by whose actions 868 people were injured, and 60 killed, with no benefit to the shooter….and, as of this date, no motive. Call it evil.

Now, take the further step of personification of evil, as Satan, or as Obama’s mentor, Saul Alinsky posited, Lucifer….just as God can be viewed as the personification of good.



2. Now, bigger picture: Richard Wurmbrand begins his book “Marx and Satan,” [*Wurmbrand, Marx and Satan, https://legiochristi.com/static/lit/Marx_and_Satan.pdf] this way: “Marxism today governs over one third of mankind. If it could be shown that the originators and perpetrators of this movement were indeed behind-closed doors devil-worshipers, consciously exploiting Satanic powers, would not such a startling realization require action?”
I’d say a careful consideration of such a widespread power of evil a worthy endeavor, rather than dismissing it out of hand.




3. “Paul Kengor is a professor of political science at Grove City College in Grove City, Pennsylvania. He has just published "The Devil and Karl Marx,"
The Devil and Karl Marx

4. The book has come out during an important time in our history since so many Americans, particularly our youth, have fallen for the seductive siren song of socialism taught to them by the academic elite.

5. "The Black Book of Communism," edited by Stephane Courtois, details the Marxist-Leninist death toll in the 20th century. Here is the breakdown: USSR, 20 million deaths; China, 65 million; Vietnam, 1 million; North Korea and Cambodia, 2 million each; Eastern Europe, 1 million; and about 3.5 million in Latin America, Africa and Afghanistan. These figures understate those detailed by Professor R.J. Rummel in "Death by Government." He finds that from 1917 until its collapse, the Soviet Union murdered or caused the death of 61 million people, mostly its own citizens. From 1949 to 1976, Communist China's Mao Zedong regime was responsible for the death of as many as 78 million of its own citizens.” The Devil and Karl Marx



6. Evil “ There are certain words that have passed out of the realm of public debate. One of them is the word “evil.” Its disuse is certainly not because the world is any less dangerous, or because people have finally gotten the better of their base nature, or because Satan has been neutered. When was the last time you heard anyone use the word in common conversation? When was the last time it was uttered by one of your political leaders?”
What does the Bible say about recognizing evil?

The doctrines that result in million upon millions of dead human being are evil.



Evil always takes advantage of ignorance (Proverbs 7:6–27)

If the Bible isn’t your source of knowledge, Santayana put it this way:

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Acts 4
32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.


Which has what to do with the OP? A sign of your indoctrination?

The Bible has naught to do with and certainly doesn't endorse, socialism.
Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, et al



And this is the face of government coercion.....


Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together with Vyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of thecollectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor. He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, the Kuban region, Crimea, the lower Volga region, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, and Siberia demanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
That religious freedom was enshrined in the Constitution, does not mean that the nation was not a Christian nation.
Since no one had to be a Christian to be an American citizen under the new Constitution m, there is no way it truthfully can be said that America was founded as a Christian nation.

Sure it can. The nation was massively majority Christian, with Christians dominating every aspect of public life and with Churches happy to engage in politics and Christian ideas and culture enshrined in law and culture.

That it also respected the religious freedom of every citizen, including religious minorities, does not conflict with that.
So where exactly did Jesus command His followers to seize earthly political power and set up Christian nations, where they can then lord over and dominate others?
Your pretense that it is the Christians who are the would be tyrants in our society today, is not fooling anyone. Try again lefty.
I'm sorry! Since Christianity became the dominate religion in the West it's been a shining example of liberty and toleration.
 

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I am white. That you find that to be important to the discussion, says a lot about you. I don't give a damn what color you are.
It is important to the discussion because of the fact that just about the only Americans that are clamoring for the need to identify America as a Christian Nation are white Christians Evangelicals.

Its important not to allow the Christian Nation fallacy stand because the white Christian evangelicals do not represent all Americans or a majority of Christians when they spread the full lie:

The full lie is that America was founded as a white Christian Nation by white Christians and was subsequently undermined by godless liberals, minorities and humanists controlled by some powerful cabal of secular elite.

Most Christians don’t believe the white evangelical lie. Why do we need to keep hearing it from those who cannot defend it.
 

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I entertained the idea of reparations for slavery, it WAS within the real of probability. They lost me, slavery ended 155 years ago. Rioting and destroying stuff, um no fuck racism. Its happening NOW. Racism is a lie. Riots are very real...
If we are going to consider reparations it should be for existing blacks to pay us for allowing them to stay in the US and make this their home. We pay many monthly for food, rent and medical treatments when needed. If they were still living in a tribe in Africa, what would their life be? Would they own a car, computer, a wardrobe and be considered "poor?" Doubt it.
White people get money for food, rent and medical treatment. What are those reparations for?
White people aren't asking for reparations.
1.Arguendo is a Latin legal term meaning for the sake of argument.
Arguendo - Wikipedia

Before the knee jerk aspersions learned in government school kick in (see what I did there?), let’s try this as an intellectual exercise: examples of evil as the motivation, as the fuel for many events and doctrines, abound. Consider the case of the Las Vegas shooter by whose actions 868 people were injured, and 60 killed, with no benefit to the shooter….and, as of this date, no motive. Call it evil.

Now, take the further step of personification of evil, as Satan, or as Obama’s mentor, Saul Alinsky posited, Lucifer….just as God can be viewed as the personification of good.



2. Now, bigger picture: Richard Wurmbrand begins his book “Marx and Satan,” [*Wurmbrand, Marx and Satan, https://legiochristi.com/static/lit/Marx_and_Satan.pdf] this way: “Marxism today governs over one third of mankind. If it could be shown that the originators and perpetrators of this movement were indeed behind-closed doors devil-worshipers, consciously exploiting Satanic powers, would not such a startling realization require action?”
I’d say a careful consideration of such a widespread power of evil a worthy endeavor, rather than dismissing it out of hand.




3. “Paul Kengor is a professor of political science at Grove City College in Grove City, Pennsylvania. He has just published "The Devil and Karl Marx,"
The Devil and Karl Marx

4. The book has come out during an important time in our history since so many Americans, particularly our youth, have fallen for the seductive siren song of socialism taught to them by the academic elite.

5. "The Black Book of Communism," edited by Stephane Courtois, details the Marxist-Leninist death toll in the 20th century. Here is the breakdown: USSR, 20 million deaths; China, 65 million; Vietnam, 1 million; North Korea and Cambodia, 2 million each; Eastern Europe, 1 million; and about 3.5 million in Latin America, Africa and Afghanistan. These figures understate those detailed by Professor R.J. Rummel in "Death by Government." He finds that from 1917 until its collapse, the Soviet Union murdered or caused the death of 61 million people, mostly its own citizens. From 1949 to 1976, Communist China's Mao Zedong regime was responsible for the death of as many as 78 million of its own citizens.” The Devil and Karl Marx



6. Evil “ There are certain words that have passed out of the realm of public debate. One of them is the word “evil.” Its disuse is certainly not because the world is any less dangerous, or because people have finally gotten the better of their base nature, or because Satan has been neutered. When was the last time you heard anyone use the word in common conversation? When was the last time it was uttered by one of your political leaders?”
What does the Bible say about recognizing evil?

The doctrines that result in million upon millions of dead human being are evil.



Evil always takes advantage of ignorance (Proverbs 7:6–27)

If the Bible isn’t your source of knowledge, Santayana put it this way:

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Acts 4
32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.


Which has what to do with the OP? A sign of your indoctrination?

The Bible has naught to do with and certainly doesn't endorse, socialism.
Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, et al



And this is the face of government coercion.....


Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together with Vyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of thecollectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor. He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, the Kuban region, Crimea, the lower Volga region, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, and Siberia demanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
That religious freedom was enshrined in the Constitution, does not mean that the nation was not a Christian nation.
Since no one had to be a Christian to be an American citizen under the new Constitution m, there is no way it truthfully can be said that America was founded as a Christian nation.

Sure it can. The nation was massively majority Christian, with Christians dominating every aspect of public life and with Churches happy to engage in politics and Christian ideas and culture enshrined in law and culture.

That it also respected the religious freedom of every citizen, including religious minorities, does not conflict with that.
So where exactly did Jesus command His followers to seize earthly political power and set up Christian nations, where they can then lord over and dominate others?
Your pretense that it is the Christians who are the would be tyrants in our society today, is not fooling anyone. Try again lefty.
I'm sorry! Since Christianity became the dominate religion in the West it's been a shining example of liberty and toleration.
Yes, we all know about Christianity.
 

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I am white. That you find that to be important to the discussion, says a lot about you. I don't give a damn what color you are.
It is important to the discussion because of the fact that just about the only Americans that are clamoring for the need to identify America as a Christian Nation are white Christians Evangelicals.

Its important not to allow the Christian Nation fallacy stand because the white Christian evangelicals do not represent all Americans or a majority of Christians when they spread the full lie:

The full lie is that America was founded as a white Christian Nation by white Christians and was subsequently undermined by godless liberals, minorities and humanists controlled by some powerful cabal of secular elite.

Most Christians don’t believe the white evangelical lie. Why do we need to keep hearing it from those who cannot defend it.
FYI... a larger share of African Americans than whites say they are Christian.
 

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The full lie is that America was founded as a white Christian Nation by white Christians and was subsequently undermined by godless liberals, minorities and humanists controlled by some powerful cabal of secular elite.
All I can tell you is that America was founded by Christians who held Christian values and principles. The influence that Christianity had on America's heritage is undeniable. As for the rest, you are defining the rule through exception.
 

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I entertained the idea of reparations for slavery, it WAS within the real of probability. They lost me, slavery ended 155 years ago. Rioting and destroying stuff, um no fuck racism. Its happening NOW. Racism is a lie. Riots are very real...
If we are going to consider reparations it should be for existing blacks to pay us for allowing them to stay in the US and make this their home. We pay many monthly for food, rent and medical treatments when needed. If they were still living in a tribe in Africa, what would their life be? Would they own a car, computer, a wardrobe and be considered "poor?" Doubt it.
White people get money for food, rent and medical treatment. What are those reparations for?
White people aren't asking for reparations.
1.Arguendo is a Latin legal term meaning for the sake of argument.
Arguendo - Wikipedia

Before the knee jerk aspersions learned in government school kick in (see what I did there?), let’s try this as an intellectual exercise: examples of evil as the motivation, as the fuel for many events and doctrines, abound. Consider the case of the Las Vegas shooter by whose actions 868 people were injured, and 60 killed, with no benefit to the shooter….and, as of this date, no motive. Call it evil.

Now, take the further step of personification of evil, as Satan, or as Obama’s mentor, Saul Alinsky posited, Lucifer….just as God can be viewed as the personification of good.



2. Now, bigger picture: Richard Wurmbrand begins his book “Marx and Satan,” [*Wurmbrand, Marx and Satan, https://legiochristi.com/static/lit/Marx_and_Satan.pdf] this way: “Marxism today governs over one third of mankind. If it could be shown that the originators and perpetrators of this movement were indeed behind-closed doors devil-worshipers, consciously exploiting Satanic powers, would not such a startling realization require action?”
I’d say a careful consideration of such a widespread power of evil a worthy endeavor, rather than dismissing it out of hand.




3. “Paul Kengor is a professor of political science at Grove City College in Grove City, Pennsylvania. He has just published "The Devil and Karl Marx,"
The Devil and Karl Marx

4. The book has come out during an important time in our history since so many Americans, particularly our youth, have fallen for the seductive siren song of socialism taught to them by the academic elite.

5. "The Black Book of Communism," edited by Stephane Courtois, details the Marxist-Leninist death toll in the 20th century. Here is the breakdown: USSR, 20 million deaths; China, 65 million; Vietnam, 1 million; North Korea and Cambodia, 2 million each; Eastern Europe, 1 million; and about 3.5 million in Latin America, Africa and Afghanistan. These figures understate those detailed by Professor R.J. Rummel in "Death by Government." He finds that from 1917 until its collapse, the Soviet Union murdered or caused the death of 61 million people, mostly its own citizens. From 1949 to 1976, Communist China's Mao Zedong regime was responsible for the death of as many as 78 million of its own citizens.” The Devil and Karl Marx



6. Evil “ There are certain words that have passed out of the realm of public debate. One of them is the word “evil.” Its disuse is certainly not because the world is any less dangerous, or because people have finally gotten the better of their base nature, or because Satan has been neutered. When was the last time you heard anyone use the word in common conversation? When was the last time it was uttered by one of your political leaders?”
What does the Bible say about recognizing evil?

The doctrines that result in million upon millions of dead human being are evil.



Evil always takes advantage of ignorance (Proverbs 7:6–27)

If the Bible isn’t your source of knowledge, Santayana put it this way:

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Acts 4
32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.


Which has what to do with the OP? A sign of your indoctrination?

The Bible has naught to do with and certainly doesn't endorse, socialism.
Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, et al



And this is the face of government coercion.....


Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together with Vyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of thecollectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor. He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, the Kuban region, Crimea, the lower Volga region, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, and Siberia demanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
That religious freedom was enshrined in the Constitution, does not mean that the nation was not a Christian nation.
Since no one had to be a Christian to be an American citizen under the new Constitution m, there is no way it truthfully can be said that America was founded as a Christian nation.

Sure it can. The nation was massively majority Christian, with Christians dominating every aspect of public life and with Churches happy to engage in politics and Christian ideas and culture enshrined in law and culture.

That it also respected the religious freedom of every citizen, including religious minorities, does not conflict with that.
So where exactly did Jesus command His followers to seize earthly political power and set up Christian nations, where they can then lord over and dominate others?
Your pretense that it is the Christians who are the would be tyrants in our society today, is not fooling anyone. Try again lefty.
I'm sorry! Since Christianity became the dominate religion in the West it's been a shining example of liberty and toleration.
Sure, but not without ups and downs. We live in an imperfect world.

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I entertained the idea of reparations for slavery, it WAS within the real of probability. They lost me, slavery ended 155 years ago. Rioting and destroying stuff, um no fuck racism. Its happening NOW. Racism is a lie. Riots are very real...
If we are going to consider reparations it should be for existing blacks to pay us for allowing them to stay in the US and make this their home. We pay many monthly for food, rent and medical treatments when needed. If they were still living in a tribe in Africa, what would their life be? Would they own a car, computer, a wardrobe and be considered "poor?" Doubt it.
White people get money for food, rent and medical treatment. What are those reparations for?
White people aren't asking for reparations.
1.Arguendo is a Latin legal term meaning for the sake of argument.
Arguendo - Wikipedia

Before the knee jerk aspersions learned in government school kick in (see what I did there?), let’s try this as an intellectual exercise: examples of evil as the motivation, as the fuel for many events and doctrines, abound. Consider the case of the Las Vegas shooter by whose actions 868 people were injured, and 60 killed, with no benefit to the shooter….and, as of this date, no motive. Call it evil.

Now, take the further step of personification of evil, as Satan, or as Obama’s mentor, Saul Alinsky posited, Lucifer….just as God can be viewed as the personification of good.



2. Now, bigger picture: Richard Wurmbrand begins his book “Marx and Satan,” [*Wurmbrand, Marx and Satan, https://legiochristi.com/static/lit/Marx_and_Satan.pdf] this way: “Marxism today governs over one third of mankind. If it could be shown that the originators and perpetrators of this movement were indeed behind-closed doors devil-worshipers, consciously exploiting Satanic powers, would not such a startling realization require action?”
I’d say a careful consideration of such a widespread power of evil a worthy endeavor, rather than dismissing it out of hand.




3. “Paul Kengor is a professor of political science at Grove City College in Grove City, Pennsylvania. He has just published "The Devil and Karl Marx,"
The Devil and Karl Marx

4. The book has come out during an important time in our history since so many Americans, particularly our youth, have fallen for the seductive siren song of socialism taught to them by the academic elite.

5. "The Black Book of Communism," edited by Stephane Courtois, details the Marxist-Leninist death toll in the 20th century. Here is the breakdown: USSR, 20 million deaths; China, 65 million; Vietnam, 1 million; North Korea and Cambodia, 2 million each; Eastern Europe, 1 million; and about 3.5 million in Latin America, Africa and Afghanistan. These figures understate those detailed by Professor R.J. Rummel in "Death by Government." He finds that from 1917 until its collapse, the Soviet Union murdered or caused the death of 61 million people, mostly its own citizens. From 1949 to 1976, Communist China's Mao Zedong regime was responsible for the death of as many as 78 million of its own citizens.” The Devil and Karl Marx



6. Evil “ There are certain words that have passed out of the realm of public debate. One of them is the word “evil.” Its disuse is certainly not because the world is any less dangerous, or because people have finally gotten the better of their base nature, or because Satan has been neutered. When was the last time you heard anyone use the word in common conversation? When was the last time it was uttered by one of your political leaders?”
What does the Bible say about recognizing evil?

The doctrines that result in million upon millions of dead human being are evil.



Evil always takes advantage of ignorance (Proverbs 7:6–27)

If the Bible isn’t your source of knowledge, Santayana put it this way:

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Acts 4
32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need.


Which has what to do with the OP? A sign of your indoctrination?

The Bible has naught to do with and certainly doesn't endorse, socialism.
Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, et al



And this is the face of government coercion.....


Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together with Vyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of thecollectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor. He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, the Kuban region, Crimea, the lower Volga region, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, and Siberia demanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
That religious freedom was enshrined in the Constitution, does not mean that the nation was not a Christian nation.
Since no one had to be a Christian to be an American citizen under the new Constitution m, there is no way it truthfully can be said that America was founded as a Christian nation.

Sure it can. The nation was massively majority Christian, with Christians dominating every aspect of public life and with Churches happy to engage in politics and Christian ideas and culture enshrined in law and culture.

That it also respected the religious freedom of every citizen, including religious minorities, does not conflict with that.
So where exactly did Jesus command His followers to seize earthly political power and set up Christian nations, where they can then lord over and dominate others?
Your pretense that it is the Christians who are the would be tyrants in our society today, is not fooling anyone. Try again lefty.
I'm sorry! Since Christianity became the dominate religion in the West it's been a shining example of liberty and toleration.

The Judeo-Christian faith is what has allowed humanity to benefit from Western Civilization.
It is the reason slavery ended and, human life became sacred.
.Three millennia ago, due to the start of monotheism, humanity began to construct the ‘house’ we live in today, the palace known as Western Civilization. Genesis 1:26 suddenly made every individual special, and made the argument against slavery.
In 1215, the Magna Carta underscored the premise with this language:
“Know ye, that we, in the presence of God, and for the salvation of our soul, and the souls of all our ancestors and heirs,….”
1215: Magna Carta - Online Library of Liberty


A pity that education isn't one of your assets.
 

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I agree with Sen. Goldwater here. The Religious Left, through characters like Jim Wallis and Lou Farrakhan have tried to impose their religious ideals into the government and condemned those who refuse it as "satanic" or "homophobic" if they don't like Gay Marriage.
You just described an Evangelical and a person who is an extreme NOI and you know the SPLC described them as a hate group. Obama even dismissed him.

Farrakhan praised Republican candidate Donald Trump as the only candidate "who has stood in front of the Jewish community and said 'I don’t want your money.'"

Obama was one of Farrakhan's chief lieutenants in putting together the Million Man March. O never condemned Calypso Louis when he was an office holder in the failed city of Chicago
Farrakhan, 82, has led the Nation of Islam since 1977.

And Obama was never one of Farrakhan generals. But Farrankhan loves tramp.

anyway this is about Politics and Evangelicals.

Wright was an admitted Black liberation theology pastor. That is marxism pretending to be faith, with anti-white racism as a topping.


Obama loved that message so much, he "converted" for it.
I don't know who wright was, can you tell me about him?? When you mention last names I'd like a little info about them. How do I know who he was? :auiqs.jpg:
is that like this person you mention,tramp?....
 

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1. I don't care what color Darby is.
But you excessively care that white 18th Century Protestant Christians get all the credit for founding the Christian Nation that Mr Darby is so fortunate to live in today.

Reverend Darby’s race matters to this discussion because you count black Christians and millions of other Christians who are aligned more politically left than you , to form the basis of your argument that America was founded as a Christian Nation and still is. Your argument is based on white Christian majority status at the time of the founding, but you cannot see the absurdity of counting a black man, who rejects your argument, in that majority. And you call him a dupe as if he has no mind if his own.
 

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FYI... a larger share of African Americans than whites say they are Christian.
But Black Christians are not trying to force their religion on non-Christian US citizens by insisting we all live in their Christian Nation founded by white Christians and we should be thankful that these white Christians are restrained by the US Constitution

I’m sure thankful that the JESUS-less US Constitution has restrained these white Christians and that their numbers are dwindling.
The proportion of US adults who are white born-again or evangelical Protestants – the religious group which strives hardest to see its political agenda adopted – is now 16%, down from 19% a decade ago.https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/17/americans-less-christian-religion-survey-pew​
 

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