Erecting Barriers to Voting is Anti-Democratic

[westwall]

States run their elections, and those that so choose can opt for mail-in ballots, a method that has proven to be safe and secure, supported by most Americans, despite convicted felons and Russian despots not liking it.

Why would those who claim, without evidence, that vote-by-mail is vulnerable to fraud, extend the opportunity for fraud to overseas military personnel and disabled Americans?

Those states broke their own laws in 2020. This is now proven beyond doubt.

States that break their own voting laws are NEVER to be trusted, with anything, ever again.

 

[Redfish]

Your dogma lacks empirical data to prop it up.

Vote-by-Mail has been proven to be safe and secure.

bullshit, mail in voting has been proven fraudulent many times. too easy to cheat with fake ballots. But we understand, you dems know that you can only win by cheating because your policies are rejected by the vast majority of americans.

 

[Redfish]

More than half of Americans supported allowing no-excuse mail-in voting.

wrong, stop lying, more than half of Americans supported absentee ballots for those too sick or physically out of the country.

 

[schmidlap]

bullshit, mail in voting has been proven fraudulent many times.

Please document your claim by citing those cases.

 

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[schmidlap]

wrong, stop lying, more than half of Americans supported absentee ballots for those too sick or physically out of the country.

You keep blowing Trump gas.

Pew Research Center survey, 58% of respondents said they favor “allowing any voter to vote by mail"

 

[BackAgain]

You keep blowing Trump gas.

Pew Research Center survey, 58% of respondents said they favor “allowing any voter to vote by mail

Hm. “Any voter.” I would imagine that most of those participating in that poll would have assumed that “any voter” be a legally eligible voter.

Yet one of the problems with voting by mail still involves voter fraud.

Do you happen to know whether or not Pew ever polled people on whether only legally eligible voters should be able to register and vote?

 

[BS Filter]

The same old bogus argument from the left. For 200 years people voted in person, but suddenly they are too old, crippled, etc. Hogwash.

 

[schmidlap]

Hm. “Any voter.” I would imagine that most of those participating in that poll would have assumed that “any voter” be a legally eligible voter.

Yet one of the problems with voting by mail still involves voter fraud.

Do you happen to know whether or not Pew ever polled people on whether only legally eligible voters should be able to register and vote?

You have yet to document any confirmed occasions of fraud under mail-in-voting in any state impacting the outcome of an election.

[T]he nation’s Founding Fathers in drafting the Constitution gave authority over elections to the states, rather than the federal government...​

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State lawmakers approve the laws that govern the voting process in their states – and this can vary widely, depending on how they think elections should work...​

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Still, confusion about how elections are run and laws that differ from state to state helped fuel conspiracy theories still swirling today about the 2020 election, including the false claim that the presidential election was stolen.​

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In fact, there was no widespread fraud or tampering with the vote. And rules that differ don’t mean an election was inaccurate or that fraud occurred.​

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“While election laws and regulations differ from state to state, the common threads of bipartisanship, transparency and professionalism undergird the work of election administrators,” said Jennifer Morrell, a former election official in Utah and Colorado.​

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“In every state, policy makers are charged with creating the rules, election officials are responsible for carrying them out, and voters – regardless of party affiliation – are bound to them.”​

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Election 2024: Why does each state in the U.S. have different voting rules?

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If you believe Trump when he falsely tells you that he won the 2020 presidential election "in a LANDSLIDE!," please cite the instances of voter fraud that have been confirmed.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Mail in ballots are the worst idea ever. We need same day, paper ballot, in person elections with ID. Don't have ID? You don't vote. I'd go as far to have literacy tests, as well as some sort of exam or cognitive test to prove you are capable of understanding what you are voting for.

Like "do you support the Democrats?" "Yes" "Oh, well you failed the cognitive test, sorry, you don't get to vote for Trump this year sir"

 

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You have yet to document any confirmed occasions of fraud under mail-in-voting in any state impacting the outcome of an election.

[T]he nation’s Founding Fathers in drafting the Constitution gave authority over elections to the states, rather than the federal government...​

​

State lawmakers approve the laws that govern the voting process in their states – and this can vary widely, depending on how they think elections should work...​

​

Still, confusion about how elections are run and laws that differ from state to state helped fuel conspiracy theories still swirling today about the 2020 election, including the false claim that the presidential election was stolen.​

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In fact, there was no widespread fraud or tampering with the vote. And rules that differ don’t mean an election was inaccurate or that fraud occurred.​

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“While election laws and regulations differ from state to state, the common threads of bipartisanship, transparency and professionalism undergird the work of election administrators,” said Jennifer Morrell, a former election official in Utah and Colorado.​

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“In every state, policy makers are charged with creating the rules, election officials are responsible for carrying them out, and voters – regardless of party affiliation – are bound to them.”​

​

Election 2024: Why does each state in the U.S. have different voting rules?

How the US elects a president through thousands of local elections, with varying rules.

apnews.com

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If you believe Trump when he falsely tells you that he won the 2020 presidential election "in a LANDSLIDE!," please cite the instances of voter fraud that have been confirmed.

Nice but ignorant diatribe. Way too verbose.

The states’ authority over elections does NOT mean that they can ignore the Constitutional requirement that voters be American citizens.

 

[schmidlap]

Nice but ignorant diatribe. Way too verbose.

The states’ authority over elections does NOT mean that they can ignore the Constitutional requirement that voters be American citizens.

So, over four-and-a-half years after the presidential election certified by every state and Congress, you can't cite a single instance of criminal fraud regarding voting by mail.

Millions of conspirators, no evidence, no one charged.

 

[MarathonMike]

Republicans are illiberal and anti-democratic – their efforts to disenfranchise voters is proof of that.

Motivated by lies about non-existent voter fraud and lies about noncitizens voting, Republicans seek to create barriers to voting, disenfranchising voters of color perceived to be likely Democratic voters.

What's wrong Clayton? Are you worried potential Democrat voters are too stupid to know how to register for the vote?

 

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So, over four-and-a-half years after the presidential election certified by every state and Congress, you can't cite a single instance of criminal fraud regarding voting by mail.

Millions of conspirators, no evidence, no one charged.

So there was perfectly clear and obvious evidence of election fraud.

What I have never claimed is that it was sufficient to overturn the election call. We will probably never know since we can’t know how many incidents went undetected.

And by the way, as I also previously noted, there have been many prosecutions for election fraud involving absentee ballots and votes cast by ineligible voters like non U.S. citizens.

Again: https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/108824/documents/HHRG-116-JU00-20190129-SD020.pdf

 

[AZrailwhale]

Since you brought it up, official polling places can be located at the company or battalion level with division or higher level officers as the election judges

Making it virtually impossible for libs to cheat and steal an election

They have done it in the past by delaying the mailing of the absentee ballots or not counting them because they are not postmarked.

 

[schmidlap]

So there was perfectly clear and obvious evidence of election fraud.

What I have never claimed is that it was sufficient to overturn the election call. We will probably never know since we can’t know how many incidents went undetected.

And by the way, as I also previously noted, there have been many prosecutions for election fraud involving absentee ballots and votes cast by ineligible voters like non U.S. citizens.

Again: https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/108824/documents/HHRG-116-JU00-20190129-SD020.pdf

So, document how votes (by mail or otherwise) were falsified in any one state you chose.

How was it uncovered and who is being charged?

 

[Mac-7]

They have done it in the past by delaying the mailing of the absentee ballots or not counting them because they are not postmarked.

Yes lib state and local officials have rejected military ballots in the past

That would not happen using the system I described

 

[schmidlap]

Yes lib state and local officials have rejected military ballots in the past

That would not happen using the system I described

The lie undermining democracy fails to document any elections being perverted by fraudulent votes, by mail or otherwise.

A cult ignores documented reality, and clings to and parrots its baseless article of faith,

They can concoct no actual evidence to prop up the lie they parrot, so can only bleat "Fake News!" because they can't handle the truth.

 

[Mac-7]

The lie undermining democracy fails to document any elections being perverted by fraudulent votes, by mail or otherwise.

A cult ignores documented reality, and clings to and parrots its baseless article of faith,

They can concoct no actual evidence to prop up the lie they parrot, so can only bleat "Fake News!" because they can't handle the truth.

You appear to have led a sheltered life

Marxists lie

The old Soviets used to tell anyone who would listen how wonderful everything was in communist russia when it really wasent

And that included rigged elections

Today libs are using the Moscow playbook and they have learned it well

 

[schmidlap]

You appear to have led a sheltered life

Marxists lie

The old Soviets used to tell anyone who would listen how wonderful everything was in communist russia when it really wasent

And that included rigged elections

Today libs are using the Moscow playbook and they have learned it well

Your desperately trying to evade the fact that you are unable to document any elections anywhere being perverted by mail-in ballots is blatantly obvious.

Ad hominem attacks and hyper-partisan raving are not substitutes for facts.