Environmental Religious Zealots, you have blood on your hands because of "CLEAN ENERGY".

[koshergrl]

"Then you don't understand the words you use."

Those are your words. "As if" is code for "you didn't actually say it but I'm going to pretend you did".

:Well, manifestly better than you lot in most cases. But that's because of the advantage of education."

Ad hom nonsense, irrelevant background noise.

I'm not an expert on mental illness, but I know what impact it has on people.

I'm an expert, I know what impact it has as well. I've testified in court about whether or not state custody should continue for multiple people. So yeah.

As for Lithium mining, as I said, I'm not a hardrock geologist, but again, I've got much more experience with mineralogy and mining than you do. I got my degrees in geology, so..."

That is thrilling. So you are fine with the damage done to the Amazon delta.

But your car burns oil.

Yep.

As do the things you enjoy. Don't forget that. We didn't start mining lithium just for ev'S



I don't actually believe that yet. But even if it is once extracted the oil continues to pollute. My Li batteries are used for many years.

And then they pollute the landscape and the water for eternity. Oil is biodegradable.

Not as much as yours.

Meh.

 

[abu afak]

A wind farm company admitted killing 150 eagles in the US and was fined $8 million. Almost all died from being hit by the blades.

• seems a small amount to be fined when the symbols of the US and protected species is being exterminated. Where is the outcry from the environmental whackos, who want to protect these birds? Chirp, Chirp..

And how many people Die or suffer because of Respiratory Illness due to Fossil Fuels, Coal mining, particulate matter, etc.
You ******* MORON!
You are so ******* Stoopid!

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+may+people+die+or+air+pollution&oq=how+may+people+die+or+air+pollution&aqs=chrome..69i57.14039j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

7 million
The WHO estimates that: 4.2 million die prematurely every year from outdoor (ambient) air pollution. 3.8 million die from indoor air pollution. 7 million die in total from all sources of air pollution.Nov 25, 2021

Data Review: How many people die from air pollution?​

https://ourworldindata.org › data-review-air-pollution-dea...

Air pollution - WHO | World Health Organization​

https://www.who.int › Health topics
Ambient air pollution accounts for an estimated 4.2 million deaths per year due to stroke, heart disease, lung cancer, lung cancer, acute and chronic ...
‎Ambient (outdoor) air pollution · ‎New WHO Global Air Quality... · ‎Health impacts

Air Pollution Kills Far More People Than Covid Ever Will​

https://www.bloomberg.com › opinion › articles › air-p...
Mar 10, 2021 — More than 10 million people die each year from air pollution, according to a new study — far more than the estimated 2.6 million people who have ...

Fossil fuel air pollution responsible for 1 in 5 deaths worldwide​

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu › c-change › news › foss...
Feb 9, 2021 —
New research finds that deaths from Fossil Fuel emissions are higher than previously thought—more than 8 Million people per year, worldwide.

• U.S.: Air pollution deaths 2019 | Statista​

https://www.statista.com › ... › Emissions
Mar 21, 2022 — The number of deaths attributable to air pollution in the United States have dropped significantly in the past 30 years.

Air Pollution Accounts for 1 in 8 Deaths Worldwide, According ...​

https://www.niehs.nih.gov › geh_newsletter › articles
Apr 19, 2014 — Ambient air pollution contributes to 3.7 million deaths per year. (Photo courtesy of epa.gov). The large increase in the estimates, WHO explains ...

Air pollution - ScienceDaily​

https://www.sciencedaily.com › terms › air_pollution
The World Health Organization estimates that 4.6 million people die each year from causes directly attributable to air pollution. Many of these mortalities are ...

100000 Americans Die from Air Pollution, Study Finds​

https://www.usnews.com › News › National News
Apr 8, 2019 —
More than 100,000 Americans each year die of heart attacks, strokes and other illnesses caused by air pollution spewed from factories ...


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[koshergrl]

You know nothing, there’s that

Yet he likes to bloviate about knowing more than everybody.
I'm trying to figure out why his geology training makes it okay for him to tell us what to do when it comes to energy.

And how many people Die or suffer because of Respiratory Illness due to Coal mining, particulate matter, etc.

7 million
The WHO estimates that: 4.2 million die prematurely every year from outdoor (ambient) air pollution. 3.8 million die from indoor air pollution. 7 million die in total from all sources of air pollution.Nov 25, 2021

Data Review: How many people die from air pollution?​

https://ourworldindata.org › data-review-air-pollution-dea...

Air pollution - WHO | World Health Organization​

https://www.who.int › Health topics

Ambient air pollution accounts for an estimated 4.2 million deaths per year due to stroke, heart disease, lung cancer, lung cancer, acute and chronic ...
‎Ambient (outdoor) air pollution · ‎New WHO Global Air Quality... · ‎Health impacts

Air Pollution Kills Far More People Than Covid Ever Will​

https://www.bloomberg.com › opinion › articles › air-p...
Mar 10, 2021 — More than 10 million people die each year from air pollution, according to a new study — far more than the estimated 2.6 million people who have ...

Fossil fuel air pollution responsible for 1 in 5 deaths worldwide​

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu › c-change › news › foss...
Feb 9, 2021 — New research finds that deaths from fossil fuel emissions are higher than previously thought—more than 8 million people per year, worldwide.

• U.S.: Air pollution deaths 2019 | Statista​

https://www.statista.com › ... › Emissions
Mar 21, 2022 — The number of deaths attributable to air pollution in the United States have dropped significantly in the past 30 years.

Air Pollution Accounts for 1 in 8 Deaths Worldwide, According ...​

https://www.niehs.nih.gov › geh_newsletter › articles
Apr 19, 2014 — Ambient air pollution contributes to 3.7 million deaths per year. (Photo courtesy of epa.gov). The large increase in the estimates, WHO explains ...

Air pollution - ScienceDaily​

https://www.sciencedaily.com › terms › air_pollution
The World Health Organization estimates that 4.6 million people die each year from causes directly attributable to air pollution. Many of these mortalities are ...

100000 Americans Die from Air Pollution, Study Finds​

https://www.usnews.com › News › National News
Apr 8, 2019 — More than 100,000 Americans each year die of heart attacks, strokes and other illnesses caused by air pollution spewed from factories, ...
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Oh no!
We must be punished!

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

I'm an expert, I know what impact it has as well. I've testified in court about whether or not state custody should continue for multiple people. So yeah.

Is that why you called them "crazies" here?

Do you call them "crazies" when you are "testifying in court"?

And then they pollute the landscape and the water for eternity. Oil is biodegradable.

"Most petroleum hydrocarbons are biodegradable under aerobic conditions; though a few compounds found in crude oils, for example, resins, hopanes, polar molecules, and asphaltenes, have practically imperceptible biodegradation rates. " (SOURCE)

 

[koshergrl]

Is that why you called them "crazies" here?

Do you call them "crazies" when you are "testifying in court"?




"Most petroleum hydrocarbons are biodegradable under aerobic conditions; though a few compounds found in crude oils, for example, resins, hopanes, polar molecules, and asphaltenes, have practically imperceptible biodegradation rates. " (SOURCE)

So the additives. You know the additives are to (allegedly) make it burn “cleaner”...right?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." Isaac Asimov

And while that statement/axiom is true it should be the motto of the public education system where social education has replaced academic education, public schools are nothing more than the re-education camps left wing governments set in every country they infect.

 

[elektra]

But it is not the ONLY means of doing so.

And, again, YOU enjoy those very things as well, so you might want to try to find something ONLY EV and Solar users use.



Would it be possible to have an actual adult nuanced conversation abou this topic or is the game just to troll back and forth?

Because I can and actually WOULD like to discuss this. But you don't seem capable of it. You're a die-hard troll and that seems to be the ONLY thing you like.

Inefficient expensive forms of producing electricity is never needed

You claim to be educated, driven by science, yet you support green energy which is bad for our environment

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Inefficient expensive forms of producing electricity is never needed

It is when the inexpensive an "efficient" systems are inexpensive because of subsidies to extremely profitable corporations and "efficient" in that the entire energy ecosystem has been set up to accomodate them.

You claim to be educated, driven by science, yet you support green energy which is bad for our environment

Incorrect.

 

[elektra]

And how many people Die or suffer because of Respiratory Illness due to Fossil Fuels, Coal mining, particulate matter, etc.
You ******* MORON!
You are so ******* I

100000 Americans Die from Air Pollution, Study Finds​

https://www.usnews.com › News › National News
Apr 8, 2019 —
More than 100,000 Americans each year die of heart attacks, strokes and other illnesses caused by air pollution spewed from factories ...

And what is your solution Mr. Wizard?

"We will cut down all the trees and destroy miles of nature to install giant wind mills and miles of solar panel"

"We will build the largest most inefficient wind turbines and solar panels"10

It is when the inexpensive an "efficient" systems are inexpensive because of subsidies to extremely profitable corporations and "efficient" in that the entire energy ecosystem has been set up to accomodate them.

The oil industry was developed without subsidies.

Green energy is literally paid for by government. Green energy would never if been built without the cash thrown at it by government.

I will note that you are attempting to diver t attention to oil and gas, which incidentally Green energy consumes more than any other way we produce electricity.

 

[abu afak]

And what is your solution Mr. Wizard?
"We will cut down all the trees and destroy miles of nature to install giant wind mills and miles of solar panel"
"We will build the largest most inefficient wind turbines and solar panels"10

To get to app 80% renewable with NG as back up.

The oil industry was developed without subsidies

False, and they still get huge amounts of subsidies.

Green energy is literally paid for by government. Green energy would never if been built without the cash thrown at it by government.

Only very partially.
Solar and Wind are now CHEAPER than Oil and Gas, and were even before the price spike/war.
90% of new power generation last year was Renewables.

I will note that you are attempting to diver t attention to oil and gas, which incidentally Green energy consumes more than any other way we produce electricity.

Silly claim.
Of course, in the early years most renewables are built with old power from old plants.
But increasingly they will be built by renewable power.
(Fossil Fuel plants can produce enough panels to put themselves out of business in a year.. and Are.)

Anything else, just ask.
I post ON TOPIC.
Most of those who oppose me just troll/have to troll.
So thank you for your topical reply.
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[elektra]

To get to app 80% renewable with NG as back up.



False, and they still get huge amounts of subsidies.



Only very partially.
Solar and Wind are now CHEAPER than Oil nd Gas, and were even before the price spike/war.
90% of new power generation last year was Renewables.



Silly claim.
Of course, in the early years most renewables are built with old power from old plants.
But increasingly they will be built by renewable power.
(Fossil Fuel plants can produce enough panels to put themselves out of business in a year.. and Are.)

Anything else, just ask.
I post ON TOPIC.
Most of those who oppose me just troll/have to troll.
So thank you for your topical reply.
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You don't know shit about anything. 80% renewables? You are talking out your ass now.

CaLifornia has been trying for 30 years and they have yet to reach 5% baseload.

Of course the first thing to address is the word renewable. There is no such thing. Solar panels and wind turbines constantly fail.

oil and gas have never ever been subsidized, that is just more of the bastardizatipn of language.

renewable can not power the industry required to build them, never ever will they be able to do that. maybe you can quote old crock and a colorado rail rolling mill, but that is not making steel, fiberglass or polysilicon

nothing in your post is true, it is all a prediction of the future.

pure joke

 

[abu afak]

You don't know shit about anything. 80% renewables? You are talking out your ass now.

Is 100% renewable energy realistic? Here’s what we know.

Reasons for skepticism, reasons for optimism, and some tentative conclusions.

www.vox.com

"...Today’s models, at least, appear to agree that “a diversified mix of low-CO2 generation resources” add up to a more cost-effective path to deep decarbonization than 100% renewables. This is particularly true above 60% or 80% decarbonization, when the costs of the renewables-only option rise sharply.​

​

Again, it’s all about balancing out VRE. The easiest way to do that is with fast, flexible natural gas plants, but you can’t get past around 60% decarbonization with a large fleet of gas plants running. Getting to 80% or beyond means closing or idling lots of those plants. So you need other balancing options."..."​

Many say 100% is possible. I don't see it soon.
ie

100% renewable energy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"...The main barriers to the widespread implementation of large-scale renewable energy and low-carbon energy strategies are seen to be primarily social and political rather than technological or economic.[9][10] According to the 2013 Post Carbon Pathways report, which reviewed many international studies, the key roadblocks are: climate change denial, the fossil fuels lobby, political inaction, unsustainable energy consumption, outdated energy infrastructure, and financial constraints.[11]..​

"You don't know shit " is inaccurate and Blind partisan nonsense.

I Post ON TOPIC.
To the degree your post is I thank you.
But I will do my best to embarrass and put down one-line or Insult-only trolls due to the LACK of Moderation on USMB. (Home OF the RW trolls.. perhaps 70%)

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[Cardinal Carminative]

So the additives. You know the additives are to (allegedly) make it burn “cleaner”...right?

I don't believe those are necessarily ADDITIVES. Some may be but petroleum contains a very broad array of organic chemicals. Most of those listed occur naturally in petroleum.

 

[koshergrl]

I don't believe those are necessarily ADDITIVES. Some may be but petroleum contains a very broad array of organic chemicals. Most of those listed occur naturally in petroleum.

Are you denying the accuracy of the source??

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Are you denying the accuracy of the source??

hopanes, asphaltenes etc. are naturally occurring compounds in petroleum. The source I cited did not say otherwise.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Are you denying the accuracy of the source??

As an example: one of the sources of naturally occurring hopanes appears to be the diagenetic alteration of bacterial components (oil is made up mostly of algal and bacterial material)

(SOURCE)

Diagenesis is the first set of alterations that happen to organic materials that are deposited and buried. Oil starts off with accumulation of organic materials from bacteria and algae which is why we have a variety of BIOMARKERS like hopanes as well as porphyrin rings (these latter come from chlorophyl) and even pristane/phytane which is an alkyl chain that cleaves off of chlorophyl and the ratio of pristane to phytane can tell you something about the thermal aging of the organic material in a geologic setting.

 

[jc456]

Do you call them "crazies" when you are "testifying in court"?

can't call someone crazy in court? That's crazy.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

can't call someone crazy in court? That's crazy.

If one claims "expertise" in an area like mental health (as koshergrl did) going even further noting that she has testified in court on the topic then using derogatory terms like "crazies" for the mentally ill would be highly unlikely.

 

[jc456]

If one claims "expertise" in an area like mental health (as koshergrl did) going even further noting that she has testified in court on the topic then using derogatory terms like "crazies" for the mentally ill would be highly unlikely.

someone's crazy, someone's crazy.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

someone's crazy, someone's crazy.

If you think that is how actual mental health experts speak then count yourself lucky your family has never had to deal with this topic.

You are truly blessed.