"Utterly Insane"....Says Elon Musk About The "Big, Beautiful Bill" Gutting All Clean Energy Incentives. And He Is Correct.

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Show your math, greentard.

Easy...I paid $30,000 for my solar panels. You will pay A LOT more than that during your worthless MAGA lifetime for your dirty fossil fuel energy.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

OK....so are you going to tell Trump to end subsidies for the oil and gas industries? If not, why not?

They don’t get any.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

They don’t get any.

Yeah, they do. MAGA liar. So full of shit.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Yeah, they do. MAGA liar. So full of shit.

What do they get. List it.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

What do they get. List it.

Nope...I did earlier. You can find it and ignore it on your own time.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Nope...I did earlier. You can find it and ignore it on your own time.

So you didn’t. Just put a link to your post. I’m not thread surfacing to find your stupidity.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

So you didn’t. Just put a link to your post. I’m not thread surfacing to find your stupidity.

Then don't. You debate in bad faith, anyway. You just ignore facts that you don't agree with. It's boring.

Not worth my time arguing with a total dishonest MAGA imbecile who believes the 2020 election was stolen.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Then don't. You debate in bad faith, anyway. You just ignore facts that you don't agree with. It's boring.

Not worth my time arguing with a total dishonest MAGA imbecile who believes the 2020 election was stolen.

Providing a link is too difficult for you then. Or you’re wrong. I’m going to go with you’re wrong.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Providing a link is too difficult for you then. Or you’re wrong. I’m going to go with you’re wrong.

Do what you want, mentally ill MAGA traitor.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Do what you want, mentally ill MAGA traitor.

Damn, all you had to do was provide a link. Yet you decided to become unfucking hinged instead.

 

[Nobody911]

If Trump's "One Big Beautiful Bill" becomes law, the primary beneficiaries would be higher-income households, corporations, and certain manufacturers, while lower-income Americans and some sectors like electric vehicle (EV) makers would suffer.

Who Benefits and Why:

• Higher-income households (especially those earning $200,000 to $500,000 and above) would gain significantly from tax cuts, including a permanent reduction in estate taxes for inheritances under $15 million and expanded tax incentives. Over one-third of the tax cuts would go to households earning $460,000 or more annually24.

• Corporations and businesses would benefit from permanent corporate tax cuts, maintaining the reduced 21% corporate tax rate established in 2017, and expanded tax breaks for investments in machinery, equipment, research, and disadvantaged Opportunity Zones through 20332.

• Manufacturers of conventional gasoline-powered vehicles are expected to benefit as the bill eliminates the $7,500 tax credit for electric vehicle purchases starting September 30, potentially reducing consumer interest in EVs and boosting sales of petrol/diesel cars4.

Who Would Suffer and Why:

• Lower-income households face major cuts in health and nutrition programs. The bill proposes nearly $1 trillion in Medicaid cuts, which could cause about 12 million people to lose health insurance over the next decade, disproportionately affecting rural and low-income Americans2.

• Recipients of food assistance (SNAP/food stamps) would face stricter work requirements (80 hours/month for able-bodied adults 18-64), potentially reducing benefits by $300 billion and affecting millions dependent on these programs2.

• Electric vehicle makers and clean energy sectors would lose out due to the rollback of EV tax credits and the accelerated end of renewable energy incentives by 2027, which could hinder clean energy jobs and investments43.

• Some immigrant groups would face reduced eligibility for federal benefits and increased fees, impacting refugees, asylees, and victims of domestic violence and human trafficking7.

Changes in the Bill So Far:

• The Senate version has intensified Medicaid cuts compared to the House version and expanded business tax breaks5.

• The bill raised the national debt ceiling by $5 trillion and lifted a moratorium on state AI regulations5.

• Amendments have been negotiated to address concerns, such as SNAP carve-outs for some states including Alaska, but Medicaid payment boosts for certain states were ruled noncompliant with Senate rules3.

• The child tax credit would increase permanently to $2,200 per child, a smaller increase than the House's proposed $2,500 but better than a reduction to $1,000 if the bill fails4.

• A new work requirement for Medicaid and food stamp recipients with children over certain ages has been introduced, tightening eligibility7.

• The bill includes a new "Trump account" savings plan for infants born 2025-2028, providing $1,000 government seed money invested until adulthood7.

Summary:

The bill enacts large tax cuts favoring wealthy individuals and businesses, increases spending on defense and border security, but offsets costs by cutting Medicaid and food assistance, potentially harming millions of low-income Americans. It also curtails clean energy incentives while favoring traditional energy and auto sectors. The bill has passed the Senate narrowly and awaits House approval before President Trump can sign it into law15.

This legislation is a major political and economic gamble, with clear winners among the affluent and corporations, and significant losses for vulnerable populations reliant on social programs and clean energy sectors.

sources:

1. Senate passes Trump's "big, beautiful bill" in 51 to 50 vote after marathon session
2. Who would win and who would lose in Republicans' 'big, beautiful bill'
3. https://www.politico.com/live-updat...s/dems-delete-the-big-beautiful-bill-00435099
4. Who wins, who loses if Trump’s ‘One Big Beautiful Bill’ passes?
5. Senate passes Trump’s sweeping ‘big beautiful’ agenda bill, sending it to the House for high-stakes showdown
6. Tax Cuts and Jobs Act - Wikipedia
7. https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/01/politics/congress-senate-bill-tax-spending-trump-gop-explainer
8. Senate passes Trump's big bill with Medicaid changes; House battle is next
9. Senate passes One Big Beautiful Bill, getting the GOP’s policy agenda one step closer to Trump's desk

The middle class would experience modest benefits but also face some challenges under Trump's "One Big Beautiful Bill."

Benefits for the Middle Class:

• The bill delivers the largest middle- and working-class tax cut in U.S. history, with typical hardworking families expected to see over $10,000 more in take-home pay annually12.

• It includes a 15% tax cut for Americans earning between $30,000 and $80,000 per year, along with no federal income tax on overtime or tips, which could save workers nearly $2,000 annually2.

• The standard deduction remains doubled and permanent, benefiting 91% of taxpayers, including many middle-class households25.

• The child tax credit is increased and made permanent, supporting over 40 million families, many of whom are middle class234.

• Additional supports include expanded childcare access, paid leave tax credits, and improved housing affordability incentives, which also benefit middle-income families2.

Challenges and Limitations:

• According to the Congressional Budget Office and independent analyses, middle-income families would gain a more modest $500 to $1,000 per year on average, which is significantly less than the gains for the wealthiest households6.

• The bill includes steep cuts to Medicaid and food assistance programs, which could indirectly affect middle-class families who rely on these safety nets or face higher healthcare costs67.

• Some middle- and lower-middle-income workers may not benefit fully from provisions like the overtime and tip tax breaks, as not all receive overtime or earn enough tips to pay federal income tax7.

• The bill’s overall structure shifts more benefits to the wealthy, with more than one-third of tax cuts going to households earning $460,000 or more, implying the middle class gets a smaller share of the total tax relief46.

Summary:

While the middle class would see some tax relief, bigger paychecks, and expanded family benefits, the gains are relatively modest compared to the wealthy, and cuts to healthcare and social programs may offset some of these benefits for many middle-income families. Thus, the middle class benefits but also faces risks from reduced social safety nets and healthcare support.

sources:

1. Myth vs. Fact: The One Big Beautiful Bill
2. President Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill Prevents the Largest Tax Hike in History and Unleashes Economic Growth
3. The United States Senate Committee on Finance
4. Who wins, who loses if Trump’s ‘One Big Beautiful Bill’ passes?
5. Here's what's in Trump's "big, beautiful bill" that passed the Senate
6. Trump's 'Big, Beautiful Bill' Pulls $1,600 From Poorest, Adds $12,000 For Richest Annually, Shows CBO Analysis
7. The ugly truth about Trump's "big, beautiful bill"
8. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly in the One, Big, Beautiful Bill
9. https://www.financialexpress.com/wo...e-from-trumps-one-big-beautiful-bill/3899259/

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They are....your MAGA Nazi lies have been disproven. Find some new bullshit, troll.

Typical greentard moron.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

About $40 per month in winter when its very cold and $50 per month in summer. So I call it $45 per month or so. Once a year maintenance cost about $150.
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And how much did they cost?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Easy...I paid $30,000 for my solar panels. You will pay A LOT more than that during your worthless MAGA lifetime for your dirty fossil fuel energy.

How much do you save a month?

 

[Rigby5]

Since you are so smart, try answering basic climate questions...


1. Why does one Earth polar circle have 9+ times the ice of the other?
2. Why is there ice age glacier south of Arctic Circle on Greenland but no such ice age glacier north of Arctic Circle on Alaska?
3. If the oceans are "warming" why is the record decade for canes still the 1940s?
4. If the oceans are "rising" why can't we see one single photo of land sinking?
5. How did Co2 thaw North America and freeze Greenland at the same time?

1. Since the axis of the earth wobbles, the Artic points towards the sun, but the Antarctic never does. So the Antarctic has way more ice. The Antarctic also is mostly on land, so there are no warm currents melting the ice from underneath either.

2. Both Alaska and Greenland are cold and have glaciers. But the reason Greenland has much thicker ice sheet, is that there is more precipitation due to weather patterns that have nothing to do with temperature.

3. There is no doubt oceans are warming, and there was no Northwest Passage for tens of thousands of years until 1997 when the first melting of the Northwest Passage in summer happened.

4. The oceans have only risen a few inches, but we seen coastal places like Florida and the Maldives are where there are lots of visual confirmation of higher water.

5. Greenland is also thawing. But the ice is more than a mile thick, so will take time.

 

[Rigby5]

Energy incentives are nonsense. A waste of money. Climate change is a hoax created by the Marxist left to bleed American taxpayers and destroy fossil fuels, the engine of capitalism. It's a giant twofer for our enemies, who are not practicing this nonsense.

First of all, I see no reason to believe global warming is a hoax, but regardless, we are still running out of fossil fuel, so we still need to switch.
In particular, the US has less than 1.5% of the world's oil and gas, so any switch we can do is in our favor.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

1. Since the axis of the earth wobbles, the Artic points towards the sun, but the Antarctic never does. So the Antarctic has way more ice. The Antarctic also is mostly on land, so there are no warm currents melting the ice from underneath either.

2. Both Alaska and Greenland are cold and have glaciers. But the reason Greenland has much thicker ice sheet, is that there is more precipitation due to weather patterns that have nothing to do with temperature.

3. There is no doubt oceans are warming, and there was no Northwest Passage for tens of thousands of years until 1997 when the first melting of the Northwest Passage in summer happened.

4. The oceans have only risen a few inches, but we seen coastal places like Florida and the Maldives are where there are lots of visual confirmation of higher water.

5. Greenland is also thawing. But the ice is more than a mile thick, so will take time.

Since the axis of the earth wobbles, the Artic points towards the sun, but the Antarctic never does.

Liar.

You don't know shit about uranium either.

 

[Rigby5]

When you do stuff like require EV vehicles by 2035, that's garbage. That's hurts people far worse than 'dirty fossil fuels' do.

I am all against emissions that are causing global warming, but EVs do not help.
Electricity is very inefficient, in generation, power plant storage, transmission, EV battery storage, EV battery weight up hills, EV battery discharge, electric motor conversion back to kinetic energy.

Far more sense would be something like hydrogen, ethanol, or bio diesel.

 

[Leo123]

It pains me to say this, but Elon Musk is 100% correct. This bill is a ******* disaster for the environment, our economy, and for our country.

Trump and the Republican Party are literally destroying this country.

This is one of the biggest reasons Senator Thom Tillis (R-NC) is going to vote against the bill -- it kills good-paying, green energy manufacturing jobs in North Carolina and throughout the country.

Trump wants to bring back 1970s factories from China with his stupid ******* tariffs making cheap ass shirts, shorts, toys, pots, and pans.

But good paying, high tech green energy factory jobs? Nah.....just give all those good green energy manufacturing jobs to China!!

Total insanity.


From the Washington Post. --

Congressional Republicans are poised to reverse course on U.S. energy policy by wiping out hundreds of billions of dollars in incentives for solar and wind projects as well as for consumers seeking to purchase everything from energy-saving appliances to electric cars.

The Senate’s tax bill, which cleared a key procedural hurdle Saturday, contains strict green energy cutbacks that disappointed lobbyists for solar, wind and battery companies, who hoped senators would temper some of the House’s most draconian cuts. It also imposes a new tax on existing wind and solar farms if they include materials from a foreign entity like China — a huge blow for the renewables industry, which incorporates many materials from China across its supply chain.

“They’re proposing an outright massacre with punishing new taxes on these industries,” Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) wrote in a statement on Saturday. He said Republicans added what amounts to a “death sentence” for green energy, with provisions added “in the middle of the night” Friday before voting started in the Senate.

The bill, which still must be passed by both the Senate and the House, would fulfill a major campaign pledge of President Donald Trump, who favors coal mining and oil drilling and has railed against federal green energy spending. With the reversal, executives and climate experts are expecting a sharp retreat in U.S. manufacturing and continued Chinese domination of the industry.

“The latest Senate draft bill will destroy millions of jobs in America and cause immense strategic harm to our country!” Tesla founder Elon Musk posted on X on Saturday, extending his split with the administration he served as leader of the U.S. DOGE Service. “Utterly insane and destructive. It gives handouts to industries of the past while severely damaging industries of the future.”

The new bill also eliminates consumer subsidies for rooftop solar, electric vehicles, heat pumps and other energy-efficient technologies. Homeowners will have just a few months (for electric vehicles) or until the end of the year (for heat pumps and rooftop solar) to take advantage of the credits before they expire.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2025/06/28/solar-green-energy-tax-bill-trump/

Your first 6 words in your post are a lie so, I didn't bother reading the rest.

 

[Rigby5]

CO2 FRAUD "climate activist" cannot answer basic climate questions, how typical...

COWARD!!!

Sorry, but global warming is true.

The normal climate cycle comes from plants using up so much CO2 that it the infrared heat is allowed to escape out to space at the upper atmosphere.
That makes the planet colder until it gets so cold the plants die.
That makes the plants rot and release their CO2 again, making the planet warming again, because CO2 is opaque to infrared and does not let it escape the earth to space as easily.
That normal cooling and heating cycle is about 110k years long.
There have been over 12 of these natural global warming cycles.

However, the last natural warming peak was only about 15k years ago, and now we are supposed to start cooling.
But by artificially doubling the CO2 concentration, we are essentially adding an artificial global warming on top of the warmest part of the natural global warming.
That is a double warming that has never happened before.
The risk is that even though it may take hundreds or even a thousand years, the temperatures reached could kill all life on the planet?

We don't know for sure how hot it is going to get from this double CO2?
There is a possibility that warming will evaporate more ocean, and that will cause cloud cover to increase albedo reflection, and prevent horrendous warming.
But who would want to take that risk?