Engaging with Trump's die-hard supporters isn't productive

[DrLove]

As if anyone on the left or sane right hasn't learned this lesson already?

<snips>

Ordinary people worn out by the dramas and lies of the past four years have a right to refuse to take Trump’s most enthusiastic supporters seriously. To reject further debate with people whose views are completely incoherent is not only understandable, but sensible.​

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I am talking about the people who are giving Trump their full-throated support to the very end, even as he mulls a military coup; the people who buy weird paintings of Trump crossing the Delaware, or who believe that Trump is an agent of Jesus Christ, or who think that Trump is fighting a blood-drinking ring of pedophiles. These supporters have gone far beyond political loyalty and have succumbed to a kind of mass delusion. It is not possible to engage them. Indeed, to argue with them is to legitimize their beliefs, which itself is unhealthy for our democracy.​

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I don’t want to treat our fellow citizens with open contempt, or to confront and berate them. Rather, I am arguing for silence. The Trump loyalists who still cling to conspiracy theories and who remain part of a cult of personality should be deprived of the attention they seek, shunned for their antidemocratic lunacy, and then outvoted at the ballot box.​

​

If we’ve learned one thing about “Trumpism,” it is that there is no such thing as “Trumpism.” No content anchors it; no program or policy comes from it. No motivating ideology stands behind it, unless we think of general grievance and a hatred of cultural and intellectual elites as an “idea.” And when views are incoherent andbeliefs are rooted in fantasies, compromise is impossible. Further engagement is not only unwarranted, but it can also become counterproductive.​

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We must go on as a nation, and as families. Of course you still love your uncle, even if he is bellowing about stolen elections at Christmas dinner, just as you love your sister-in-law even while she’s trying to ruin a wedding reception by holding forth on socialist saboteurs. But neither they nor the millions of other diehards deserve our engagement. The sooner we refuse to continue such conversations, the sooner we might return to being a serious nation.​

And yet, we do it anyway. Most of us can learn something from this piece. Sure, it's fun to point fingers and laugh at Trumpettes, but it has become counterproductive.

Engaging With Trump’s Die-Hard Supporters Isn’t Productive

The loyalists who still cling to conspiracy theories should be deprived of the attention they seek.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[JGalt]

Good. Then GFY and leave us alone.

 

[Jimmy_Chitwood]

As if anyone on the left or sane right hasn't learned this lesson already?

<snips>

Ordinary people worn out by the dramas and lies of the past four years have a right to refuse to take Trump’s most enthusiastic supporters seriously. To reject further debate with people whose views are completely incoherent is not only understandable, but sensible.​

​

I am talking about the people who are giving Trump their full-throated support to the very end, even as he mulls a military coup; the people who buy weird paintings of Trump crossing the Delaware, or who believe that Trump is an agent of Jesus Christ, or who think that Trump is fighting a blood-drinking ring of pedophiles. These supporters have gone far beyond political loyalty and have succumbed to a kind of mass delusion. It is not possible to engage them. Indeed, to argue with them is to legitimize their beliefs, which itself is unhealthy for our democracy.​

​

I don’t want to treat our fellow citizens with open contempt, or to confront and berate them. Rather, I am arguing for silence. The Trump loyalists who still cling to conspiracy theories and who remain part of a cult of personality should be deprived of the attention they seek, shunned for their antidemocratic lunacy, and then outvoted at the ballot box.​

​

If we’ve learned one thing about “Trumpism,” it is that there is no such thing as “Trumpism.” No content anchors it; no program or policy comes from it. No motivating ideology stands behind it, unless we think of general grievance and a hatred of cultural and intellectual elites as an “idea.” And when views are incoherent andbeliefs are rooted in fantasies, compromise is impossible. Further engagement is not only unwarranted, but it can also become counterproductive.​

​

We must go on as a nation, and as families. Of course you still love your uncle, even if he is bellowing about stolen elections at Christmas dinner, just as you love your sister-in-law even while she’s trying to ruin a wedding reception by holding forth on socialist saboteurs. But neither they nor the millions of other diehards deserve our engagement. The sooner we refuse to continue such conversations, the sooner we might return to being a serious nation.​

And yet, we do it anyway. Most of us can learn something from this piece. Sure, it's fun to point fingers and laugh at Trumpettes, but it has become counterproductive.

Engaging With Trump’s Die-Hard Supporters Isn’t Productive

The loyalists who still cling to conspiracy theories should be deprived of the attention they seek.

www.theatlantic.com

TDS Driven Thread Number: 10,203

 

[Harry Dresden]

As if anyone on the left or sane right hasn't learned this lesson already?

<snips>

Ordinary people worn out by the dramas and lies of the past four years have a right to refuse to take Trump’s most enthusiastic supporters seriously. To reject further debate with people whose views are completely incoherent is not only understandable, but sensible.​

​

I am talking about the people who are giving Trump their full-throated support to the very end, even as he mulls a military coup; the people who buy weird paintings of Trump crossing the Delaware, or who believe that Trump is an agent of Jesus Christ, or who think that Trump is fighting a blood-drinking ring of pedophiles. These supporters have gone far beyond political loyalty and have succumbed to a kind of mass delusion. It is not possible to engage them. Indeed, to argue with them is to legitimize their beliefs, which itself is unhealthy for our democracy.​

​

I don’t want to treat our fellow citizens with open contempt, or to confront and berate them. Rather, I am arguing for silence. The Trump loyalists who still cling to conspiracy theories and who remain part of a cult of personality should be deprived of the attention they seek, shunned for their antidemocratic lunacy, and then outvoted at the ballot box.​

​

If we’ve learned one thing about “Trumpism,” it is that there is no such thing as “Trumpism.” No content anchors it; no program or policy comes from it. No motivating ideology stands behind it, unless we think of general grievance and a hatred of cultural and intellectual elites as an “idea.” And when views are incoherent andbeliefs are rooted in fantasies, compromise is impossible. Further engagement is not only unwarranted, but it can also become counterproductive.​

​

We must go on as a nation, and as families. Of course you still love your uncle, even if he is bellowing about stolen elections at Christmas dinner, just as you love your sister-in-law even while she’s trying to ruin a wedding reception by holding forth on socialist saboteurs. But neither they nor the millions of other diehards deserve our engagement. The sooner we refuse to continue such conversations, the sooner we might return to being a serious nation.​

And yet, we do it anyway. Most of us can learn something from this piece. Sure, it's fun to point fingers and laugh at Trumpettes, but it has become counterproductive.

Engaging With Trump’s Die-Hard Supporters Isn’t Productive

The loyalists who still cling to conspiracy theories should be deprived of the attention they seek.

www.theatlantic.com

engaging with you die hard party people isnt productive either.....

 

[Blues Lifer]

I would say that going back and forth with Trump-hating Chinocrats.. or in my case just even reading others do so.. is repetitive, boring, pointless, and makes this forum far less worth the clicks than it could be.

 

[DrLove]

Good. Then GFY and leave us alone.

I rarely unmask your posts Galt. So generally speaking, your wish is my command!

 

[DrLove]

I would say that going back and forth with Trump-hating Chinocrats.. or in my case just even reading others do so.. is repetitive, boring, pointless, and makes this forum far less worth the clicks than it could be.

You unleash the term "Chinocrats" and expect to be taken seriously?
Okay

 

[night_son]

As if anyone on the left or sane right hasn't learned this lesson already?

<snips>

Ordinary people worn out by the dramas and lies of the past four years have a right to refuse to take Trump’s most enthusiastic supporters seriously. To reject further debate with people whose views are completely incoherent is not only understandable, but sensible.​

​

I am talking about the people who are giving Trump their full-throated support to the very end, even as he mulls a military coup; the people who buy weird paintings of Trump crossing the Delaware, or who believe that Trump is an agent of Jesus Christ, or who think that Trump is fighting a blood-drinking ring of pedophiles. These supporters have gone far beyond political loyalty and have succumbed to a kind of mass delusion. It is not possible to engage them. Indeed, to argue with them is to legitimize their beliefs, which itself is unhealthy for our democracy.​

​

I don’t want to treat our fellow citizens with open contempt, or to confront and berate them. Rather, I am arguing for silence. The Trump loyalists who still cling to conspiracy theories and who remain part of a cult of personality should be deprived of the attention they seek, shunned for their antidemocratic lunacy, and then outvoted at the ballot box.​

​

If we’ve learned one thing about “Trumpism,” it is that there is no such thing as “Trumpism.” No content anchors it; no program or policy comes from it. No motivating ideology stands behind it, unless we think of general grievance and a hatred of cultural and intellectual elites as an “idea.” And when views are incoherent andbeliefs are rooted in fantasies, compromise is impossible. Further engagement is not only unwarranted, but it can also become counterproductive.​

​

We must go on as a nation, and as families. Of course you still love your uncle, even if he is bellowing about stolen elections at Christmas dinner, just as you love your sister-in-law even while she’s trying to ruin a wedding reception by holding forth on socialist saboteurs. But neither they nor the millions of other diehards deserve our engagement. The sooner we refuse to continue such conversations, the sooner we might return to being a serious nation.​

And yet, we do it anyway. Most of us can learn something from this piece. Sure, it's fun to point fingers and laugh at Trumpettes, but it has become counterproductive.

Engaging With Trump’s Die-Hard Supporters Isn’t Productive

The loyalists who still cling to conspiracy theories should be deprived of the attention they seek.

www.theatlantic.com

WE haven't even begun to "engage" your kind. After we do . . . well, you'll be dancing to a different tune.

 

[DrLove]

I probably should have put this OP in the Clean Debate Zone. I was kind of looking for sane responses.
Lemme put it this way to Trumpsters: Has arguing with those who don't like Trump been productive for you?
Maybe the time has come for BOTH sides to ignore one another.

 

[WillowTree]

As if anyone on the left or sane right hasn't learned this lesson already?

<snips>

Ordinary people worn out by the dramas and lies of the past four years have a right to refuse to take Trump’s most enthusiastic supporters seriously. To reject further debate with people whose views are completely incoherent is not only understandable, but sensible.​

​

I am talking about the people who are giving Trump their full-throated support to the very end, even as he mulls a military coup; the people who buy weird paintings of Trump crossing the Delaware, or who believe that Trump is an agent of Jesus Christ, or who think that Trump is fighting a blood-drinking ring of pedophiles. These supporters have gone far beyond political loyalty and have succumbed to a kind of mass delusion. It is not possible to engage them. Indeed, to argue with them is to legitimize their beliefs, which itself is unhealthy for our democracy.​

​

I don’t want to treat our fellow citizens with open contempt, or to confront and berate them. Rather, I am arguing for silence. The Trump loyalists who still cling to conspiracy theories and who remain part of a cult of personality should be deprived of the attention they seek, shunned for their antidemocratic lunacy, and then outvoted at the ballot box.​

‘oh bullshit. You spent the last four years being an assholian. And talking bs against Trump and his supporters. Ram your lamatations up your ass.​

​

If we’ve learned one thing about “Trumpism,” it is that there is no such thing as “Trumpism.” No content anchors it; no program or policy comes from it. No motivating ideology stands behind it, unless we think of general grievance and a hatred of cultural and intellectual elites as an “idea.” And when views are incoherent andbeliefs are rooted in fantasies, compromise is impossible. Further engagement is not only unwarranted, but it can also become counterproductive.​

​

We must go on as a nation, and as families. Of course you still love your uncle, even if he is bellowing about stolen elections at Christmas dinner, just as you love your sister-in-law even while she’s trying to ruin a wedding reception by holding forth on socialist saboteurs. But neither they nor the millions of other diehards deserve our engagement. The sooner we refuse to continue such conversations, the sooner we might return to being a serious nation.​

And yet, we do it anyway. Most of us can learn something from this piece. Sure, it's fun to point fingers and laugh at Trumpettes, but it has become counterproductive.
Bs! You ain’t never been anything but counter productive!

Engaging With Trump’s Die-Hard Supporters Isn’t Productive

The loyalists who still cling to conspiracy theories should be deprived of the attention they seek.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[DrLove]

WE haven't even begun to "engage" your kind. After we do . . . well, you'll be dancing to a different tune.

LoL - Are we in armed insurrection mode now?

 

[G.T.]

I probably should have put this OP in the Clean Debate Zone. I was kind of looking for sane responses.
Lemme put it this way to Trumpsters: Has arguing with those who don't like Trump been productive for you?
Maybe the time has come for BOTH sides to ignore one another.

It's true though, it's useless engaging with a Cult. Only a mental health professional or a diffusion of their Leader's power can help them. Give it a few news cycles after January 20th.

 

[jbrownson0831]

As if anyone on the left or sane right hasn't learned this lesson already?

<snips>

Ordinary people worn out by the dramas and lies of the past four years have a right to refuse to take Trump’s most enthusiastic supporters seriously. To reject further debate with people whose views are completely incoherent is not only understandable, but sensible.​

​

I am talking about the people who are giving Trump their full-throated support to the very end, even as he mulls a military coup; the people who buy weird paintings of Trump crossing the Delaware, or who believe that Trump is an agent of Jesus Christ, or who think that Trump is fighting a blood-drinking ring of pedophiles. These supporters have gone far beyond political loyalty and have succumbed to a kind of mass delusion. It is not possible to engage them. Indeed, to argue with them is to legitimize their beliefs, which itself is unhealthy for our democracy.​

​

I don’t want to treat our fellow citizens with open contempt, or to confront and berate them. Rather, I am arguing for silence. The Trump loyalists who still cling to conspiracy theories and who remain part of a cult of personality should be deprived of the attention they seek, shunned for their antidemocratic lunacy, and then outvoted at the ballot box.​

​

If we’ve learned one thing about “Trumpism,” it is that there is no such thing as “Trumpism.” No content anchors it; no program or policy comes from it. No motivating ideology stands behind it, unless we think of general grievance and a hatred of cultural and intellectual elites as an “idea.” And when views are incoherent andbeliefs are rooted in fantasies, compromise is impossible. Further engagement is not only unwarranted, but it can also become counterproductive.​

​

We must go on as a nation, and as families. Of course you still love your uncle, even if he is bellowing about stolen elections at Christmas dinner, just as you love your sister-in-law even while she’s trying to ruin a wedding reception by holding forth on socialist saboteurs. But neither they nor the millions of other diehards deserve our engagement. The sooner we refuse to continue such conversations, the sooner we might return to being a serious nation.​

And yet, we do it anyway. Most of us can learn something from this piece. Sure, it's fun to point fingers and laugh at Trumpettes, but it has become counterproductive.

Engaging With Trump’s Die-Hard Supporters Isn’t Productive

The loyalists who still cling to conspiracy theories should be deprived of the attention they seek.

www.theatlantic.com

Right, plus when it comes to the leftyvirus we quote facts and you babble your propaganda, because you hate the truth.

 

[night_son]

WE haven't even begun to "engage" your kind. After we do . . . well, you'll be dancing to a different tune.

LoL - Are we in armed insurrection mode now?

On a slightly different note, we fished in a private lake up north last week and caught some amazing rainbow trout—up to 31". That probably sounds small fish to you West Coast guys. Half the lake was frozen over, but we still did quite well. My niece, ten, had a blast.

 

[JGalt]

I would say that going back and forth with Trump-hating Chinocrats.. or in my case just even reading others do so.. is repetitive, boring, pointless, and makes this forum far less worth the clicks than it could be.

You unleash the term "Chinocrats" and expect to be taken seriously?
Okay

Hey, you've moved up in the world, baby. We used to refer to ya'll as "Pedocrats."

 

[DrLove]

I probably should have put this OP in the Clean Debate Zone. I was kind of looking for sane responses.
Lemme put it this way to Trumpsters: Has arguing with those who don't like Trump been productive for you?
Maybe the time has come for BOTH sides to ignore one another.

It's true though, it's useless engaging with a Cult. Only a mental health professional or a diffusion of their Leader's power can help them. Give it a few news cycles after January 20th.

I certainly don't wish to be a downer for the forum. But one of my New Years resolutions is to post less after 1-20. There will be little left but the opportunity to engage with bitter-clingers and there are so many far more productive things for us to do!

 

[JGalt]

I probably should have put this OP in the Clean Debate Zone. I was kind of looking for sane responses.
Lemme put it this way to Trumpsters: Has arguing with those who don't like Trump been productive for you?
Maybe the time has come for BOTH sides to ignore one another.

It's true though, it's useless engaging with a Cult. Only a mental health professional or a diffusion of their Leader's power can help them. Give it a few news cycles after January 20th.

The fact that you refer to us as a "cult" only proves one thing: You elected a candidate who has the charisma of a cold, wet, dead fish.

I'd sure hate to shake that flopper's hand. I don't think that clamminess would ever wash off.

 

[jbrownson0831]

I probably should have put this OP in the Clean Debate Zone. I was kind of looking for sane responses.
Lemme put it this way to Trumpsters: Has arguing with those who don't like Trump been productive for you?
Maybe the time has come for BOTH sides to ignore one another.

It's true though, it's useless engaging with a Cult. Only a mental health professional or a diffusion of their Leader's power can help them. Give it a few news cycles after January 20th.

Hahahahaha followers of the cult party lecturing us about Trump hahahahaha

 

[jbrownson0831]

I probably should have put this OP in the Clean Debate Zone. I was kind of looking for sane responses.
Lemme put it this way to Trumpsters: Has arguing with those who don't like Trump been productive for you?
Maybe the time has come for BOTH sides to ignore one another.

It's true though, it's useless engaging with a Cult. Only a mental health professional or a diffusion of their Leader's power can help them. Give it a few news cycles after January 20th.

I certainly don't wish to be a downer for the forum. But one of my New Years resolutions is to post less after 1-20. There will be little left but the opportunity to engage with bitter-clingers and there are so many far more productive things for us to do!

Like go look for a job and stop whining.

 

[G.T.]

I probably should have put this OP in the Clean Debate Zone. I was kind of looking for sane responses.
Lemme put it this way to Trumpsters: Has arguing with those who don't like Trump been productive for you?
Maybe the time has come for BOTH sides to ignore one another.

It's true though, it's useless engaging with a Cult. Only a mental health professional or a diffusion of their Leader's power can help them. Give it a few news cycles after January 20th.

I certainly don't wish to be a downer for the forum. But one of my New Years resolutions is to post less after 1-20. There will be little left but the opportunity to engage with bitter-clingers and there are so many far more productive things for us to do!

The entire Country needs to detox from the Cult - they're disgusting.