endowed by their Creator ......

[RetiredGySgt]

Claiming a Country made up of over 70 percent ( still today) Christians is not a Christian Country is ignorant as hell.

No, it's semantics. We are not in one sense, that being that our government does not endorse the specific religion like many other religiously controlled governments.

And yet you have no problem identifying other Countries that are not run by religious leaders as Christians. Italy being one. Spain another. Used to be Germany and France and England as well.

Irregardless of the fact our Government recognizes no set religion, the US is a Christian Nation. The Semantics are on you and Obama.

 

[KittenKoder]

Claiming a Country made up of over 70 percent ( still today) Christians is not a Christian Country is ignorant as hell.

No, it's semantics. We are not in one sense, that being that our government does not endorse the specific religion like many other religiously controlled governments.

And yet you have no problem identifying other Countries that are not run by religious leaders as Christians. Italy being one. Spain another. Used to be Germany and France and England as well.

Irregardless of the fact our Government recognizes no set religion, the US is a Christian Nation. The Semantics are on you and Obama.

Itally, it is still ruled by the church. Germany, England, and France once were but they adopted a separation of church and state stance recently so of course people changed what they say about it. Obama did not make a mistake this time (one of the few times), we are not ruled by the churches, period. Why is it so important, by the way? Why is it so important to announce to the world what majority we have? Are you intent on excluding all other religious people from the government or are christians so arrogant they have to have it announced to the world? The thing is, it's not. We are the United States of America, that is our country, we are a Democracy (are close to one anyway) and that is our government system, we embrace a freedom that was at one time unique and novel, and now people are learning from us. Take pride in that, take pride in the fact that we actually set a good example in one area. Who knows, maybe the Muslim ruled countries will one day make the same change and start allowing christians over there safely, shouldn't that be a good thing? If we cling to this insecurity that a few have and start calling ourselves a "christian nation" then we are instead setting an example that none of the others should change for the better, doing so would undermine what our country stands for, and make Democracy look like a complete failure to those we are trying to sell the idea to. Think about it, but take off the blinders a moment and think about it globally. Look at all the good we have accomplished with other countries by NOT saying we are a "christian nation", we actually influence England to start improving themselves, England ... a country we all thought would die before booting out the Catholic rulership. Now the country is improving leaps and bounds, still a long way to go yet, but any step in the right direction is a good step. If not for Germany forging their separation of church and state they would still have the wall, but they decided to instead emulate us, the US. Do you really want to see those other countries fall back and fail, only proving to the world that we are not a good example, or do you want them to stand up with pride and strength shouting "we are Germany/France/England and we followed the US ideals." Think about it, from more than one angle.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

England has not been Catholic since one of the Kings kicked out the Church and seized all their property and declared the Church of England. May want to check your facts dear.

Once again dumb ass, a Country does not have to be ruled by a religious group to deemed a type of religious nation. If that were the criteria, then I know of no Christian nation since the end of the Enlightenment.

Ohh and Italy is not now nor has been for several Centuries, ruled by the Pope. Nor has Spain. Italy is a Democracy. A very bad one, they have had something like 300 Governments since the end of WW2.

 

[JBeukema]

Ya cause we do not have all the evidence of divinity inspired in our Founding documents and commentary.

You mean like several influential FF commenting on the damage to both church and state when they mingle? Or TJ commenting on the need for a 'wall of separation' between them? Or the fact that the only time religion appears in the DI is in the rough draft, when referring to the crimes of the 'Christian king of England'?

Further a treaty is a political document designed to appease people. One can easily say something untrue in said document.

A treaty is legally binding- and it was under the very definition of Founding Fathers- Washington and Adams

Like it or NOT, this Country IS a Christian Country

no, it's not- else we'd be executing non-christians

It was founded by Christians and has been run by them it's entire History.

Yes, xtians founded and argued for slavery... also, they knew they couldn't trust one another, so they had to keep eachother from using the State to enforce their religion or act against the other's

Our public works and our Public buildings are all adorned with CHRISTIAN works and symbols. Phrases and statements.

Like Moses w/ blank tablets? or did you mean the images of Hammurabi?

 

[Ravi]

Ya references everywhere in our creation documents of this country but the left would have us believe we are not a Christian nation.

well there are lots of different religions and gods......do believe they were only refering to the christian god.....to the exclusion of all others....

I doubt it, otherwise they would have said it. Since America was started to get away from oppressive religion it seems to me they were very careful not to saddle us with one. The "creator" is whoever the created feels comfortable labeling such. Even Mother Nature fits the bill.

 

[JBeukema]

I doubt it, otherwise they would have said itl.

-and the 1st amendment wouldn't exist as we know it- nor the First Treaty of Tripoli... nor liberty in America...

 

[JBeukema]

BTW, Paul says that since all authority is given by God, servants are to be content in their service and be the best servants possible. In rebelling against the Christian king of England (in the words of the Declaration of Independence, rough draft), the Patriots were rebelling against the Authority of God and rejecting the authority given to earthly rulers and masters given by God himself- quite a rejection of Christian teaching and biblical principles

 

[RetiredGySgt]

BTW, Paul says that since all authority is given by God, servants are to be content in their service and be the best servants possible. In rebelling against the Christian king of England (in the words of the Declaration of Independence, rough draft), the Patriots were rebelling against the Authority of God and rejecting the authority given to earthly rulers and masters given by God himself- quite a rejection of Christian teaching and biblical principles

Except Kings are NOT appointed nor anointed by God. There is only one King that will ever happen to and that is Jesus Christ when he rules Earth.

 

[Smartt33]

Ya references everywhere in our creation documents of this country but the left would have us believe we are not a Christian nation.

well there are lots of different religions and gods......do believe they were only refering to the christian god.....to the exclusion of all others....

I believe it was a reference to the one True God, the Creator, and Almighty. When you take a look at who was interumental in writing it, it is then pretty easy to decide if that God was connected to any particular religion.

 

[TofuDog]

I'm VERY well endowed. Thank you to whomever.

 

[TofuDog]

"Except Kings are NOT appointed nor anointed by God. There is only one King that will ever happen to and that is Jesus Christ when he rules Earth."

2 questions: How do you know that Jesus hasn't already come and we all just dismissed him as a nutjob who thought he was jesus and locked him away in a funny farm?

What's he waiting for?

 

[JBeukema]

Except Kings are NOT appointed nor anointed by God.

You never read the Torah/OT, did you?- or the NT, it seems

There is only one King that will ever happen to and that is Jesus Christ when he rules Earth.

That's not what the KHL says- sorry, you call it
'the bible'

I believe it was a reference to the one True God, the Creator, and Almighty. When you take a look at who was interumental in writing it, it is then pretty easy to decide if that God was connected to any particular religion.

if you read the Constitution, it's clear that no single god or religion was to be honoured

What's he waiting for?

Imaginary beings have a bad habit of never showing

 

[LOki]

who or what is the "creator".........if not a reference to a "god" of some type.....then what.....

how can one argue for life liberty and the persuit of happiness but deny the "creator" that gave you what you are arguing for.....

I will tell you.

The important point is not that a "creator" or that "Nature's God" exists, but rather that rights are not conferred, or granted by governments--rights are intrinsic to our being.

That is exactly how. Are you clear on that now?

Ya references everywhere in our creation documents of this country but the left would have us believe we are not a Christian nation.

Maybe if there was some mention of Christ, specifically--or more convincingly, if there were an amendment to the Constitution that establishes God's First Commandment as law, rather than refuting it.

Ya cause we do not have all the evidence of divinity inspired in our Founding documents and commentary. Further a treaty is a political document designed to appease people. One can easily say something untrue in said document.

THe treaty is actually LAW.

Like it or NOT, this Country IS a Christian Country.

By what exact standard?

It was founded by Christians and has been run by them it's entire History.

Some argue it was founded and run by Deists.

Our public works and our Public buildings are all adorned with CHRISTIAN works and symbols. Phrases and statements.

Amonst other NON-Christian works and symbols.

Doesn't change the fact that we are a Christian nation.

In a very loose sense, I'll agree.

We are not RUN by religion but we are a religious nation, even still today. And the predominate TYPE is Christian.

Like I said, I agree that, in the very loosest sense, this is a Christian nation.

Just because some yahoo claims to be a Christian, it doesn't necessarily follow that he is actually a Christian--and if a whole bunch of yahoos (claiming to be Christian . . . or otherwise) insist that this is a Christian Nation, it doesn't necessarily follow that this is a Christian Nation.

You can be done with your argument now.

Did you know that originally the Individual States had State religions?

Did you know that you're wrong? The colonies had state religion--not the States.

Did you know that all the early Presidents made a POINT of going to Christian services as President? Even Thomas Jefferson, whom everyone keeps claiming was not religious at all went faithfully ever week to services held in the Congress. ALL Christian services.

They all went to restaurants and the theater too. Some of them took walks in parks, or went camping. yay.

Our Congress has CHRISTIAN Chaplains.

How were they paid?

I do not know of a single President that has not had a connection to the Christian religion, except maybe Obama, but even he pretends to be a Christian.

It is unconstitutional to require a religious test to hold office, that's because even Presidents have a right to their own religion--a right that directly contradicts the 1st Commandment of Christian law--yet in direct contradiction to what it necessarily means to be a Christian Nation, "the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion", and Christianity is by no means the religion enforce by the United States Government.

BTW, Paul says that since all authority is given by God, servants are to be content in their service and be the best servants possible. In rebelling against the Christian king of England (in the words of the Declaration of Independence, rough draft), the Patriots were rebelling against the Authority of God and rejecting the authority given to earthly rulers and masters given by God himself- quite a rejection of Christian teaching and biblical principles

Except Kings are NOT appointed nor anointed by God.

Sure they are. See "divine right".

There is only one King that will ever happen to and that is Jesus Christ when he rules Earth.

And Jesus is also known as the King of whom? . . . . kings, perhaps? Ever hear of that one?

 

[Iriemon]

Yet another thread about the inherently ambiguous phrase "Christian nation". One side argues that there are a bunch of Christians in historically in the country and the other arguing that the governing documents say nothing about Christiantity.

Semantic argument that will go on forever.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

"Except Kings are NOT appointed nor anointed by God. There is only one King that will ever happen to and that is Jesus Christ when he rules Earth."

2 questions: How do you know that Jesus hasn't already come and we all just dismissed him as a nutjob who thought he was jesus and locked him away in a funny farm?

What's he waiting for?

Only God knows when Jesus will return and we won't mistake him for anything except what he is, as he will be leading an Army of Angels to do battle with Satan and man's army in support of Satan.

God does not work for man nor does he inform man of his time lines of doing things. Some believe they know though, they assert we are in the end times, that God has begun to restore his church and his rule for the Coming of Christ.

I can not know though so just wait.

I do so love when unbelievers ask dumb questions that are already answered for them in the Bible. God will send Jesus when he has decided Satan and man have had enough time to prove they can not rule Earth or man with out God. That was the deal God Struck with Satan.

 

[manu1959]

who or what is the "creator".........if not a reference to a "god" of some type.....then what.....

how can one argue for life liberty and the persuit of happiness but deny the "creator" that gave you what you are arguing for.....

I will tell you.

The important point is not that a "creator" or that "Nature's God" exists, but rather that rights are not conferred, or granted by governments--rights are intrinsic to our being.

That is exactly how. Are you clear on that now?

exactly but these rights were confered to you by your creator without witch you wouldn't exist and would have no need for any rights.....

 

[RetiredGySgt]

who or what is the "creator".........if not a reference to a "god" of some type.....then what.....

how can one argue for life liberty and the persuit of happiness but deny the "creator" that gave you what you are arguing for.....

I will tell you.

The important point is not that a "creator" or that "Nature's God" exists, but rather that rights are not conferred, or granted by governments--rights are intrinsic to our being.

That is exactly how. Are you clear on that now?

Ya references everywhere in our creation documents of this country but the left would have us believe we are not a Christian nation.

Maybe if there was some mention of Christ, specifically--or more convincingly, if there were an amendment to the Constitution that establishes God's First Commandment as law, rather than refuting it.

THe treaty is actually LAW.

By what exact standard?

Some argue it was founded and run by Deists.

Amonst other NON-Christian works and symbols.

In a very loose sense, I'll agree.

Like I said, I agree that, in the very loosest sense, this is a Christian nation.

Just because some yahoo claims to be a Christian, it doesn't necessarily follow that he is actually a Christian--and if a whole bunch of yahoos (claiming to be Christian . . . or otherwise) insist that this is a Christian Nation, it doesn't necessarily follow that this is a Christian Nation.

You can be done with your argument now.

Did you know that you're wrong? The colonies had state religion--not the States.

They all went to restaurants and the theater too. Some of them took walks in parks, or went camping. yay.

How were they paid?

It is unconstitutional to require a religious test to hold office, that's because even Presidents have a right to their own religion--a right that directly contradicts the 1st Commandment of Christian law--yet in direct contradiction to what it necessarily means to be a Christian Nation, "the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion", and Christianity is by no means the religion enforce by the United States Government.

Except Kings are NOT appointed nor anointed by God.

Sure they are. See "divine right".

There is only one King that will ever happen to and that is Jesus Christ when he rules Earth.

And Jesus is also known as the King of whom? . . . . kings, perhaps? Ever hear of that one?

The 144000 that will ascend will be the "Kings" that Jesus is King of.

Divine right is a man made figment to justify the Kings that took power over man. Satan rules this world and has since Adam and Eve sinned. Those Kings worked directly or indirectly for Satan. Just as our Current Governments do so. Eots little Conspiracy is true in one sense, Satan runs everything one way or another.

 

[Iriemon]

who or what is the "creator".........if not a reference to a "god" of some type.....then what.....

how can one argue for life liberty and the persuit of happiness but deny the "creator" that gave you what you are arguing for.....

The question I have, whether you believe America is a "Christian nation" or not, is in this phrase:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Regardless of what you think is referenced by "the Creator", given this is the document that our nation was founded upon, espousing a principle or our country so clear that it is deemed "self-evident"

all men are created equal​

If that is what we are about, if that is what we believe how the Creator created us, how can we possible justify withholding basic human rights from "men" simply with the argument that they are not Americans or citizens?

How can we hold that all men are created equal by the Creator, but then treat men so unequally as to deprive them of fundamental rights we hold dear as set forth in our Constitution?

 

[JBeukema]

I do so love when unbelievers ask dumb questions that are already answered for them in the Bible.

I love when non-jews try to co-opt a jewish religion that callsfor the slaughter of all non-jews. It's like a gay black jew joining the Nazi arty.

That was the deal God Struck with Satan.

Your god made a deal with the devil? Not THAT'S revealing

 

[JBeukema]

RGS doesn't even know his own religion