Empire of Japan attacks America, this day in 1941

[AZrailwhale]

Japan didn't have the radar system until the post-war era, only relying on scout planes in the Pacific War. The US enjoyed a technological advantage in sea battles in the later stage of the war, such as Midway, which was no surprise because of the radar. Yamamoto planned to pull off another Pearl Harbor at Midway but it didn't work.

Japan had radar in 1942, it wasn’t widely installed on ships until mid 1943. Japan never really pushed the research on the technology.

 

[toobfreak]

It was also Sunday morning before duty hours so most of the aircraft maintainers, ordnance troops and truck drivers were off duty, asleep and in many cases still drunk from partying Saturday night.

Yep. Hard to believe we allowed ourselves to be so vulnerable during a wartime. Shades of how Israel was asleep celebrating a holiday on 10/7 when Hamas attacked. It is almost like the Japanese had inside knowledge. There we were with all these ships, planes and personnel in a centralized, isolated space unprepared for combat just sitting there fat, dumb and happy that no one would ever dare attack the USA.

 

[Pastelli]

Thanks.

 

[Mushroom]

When Brit experts visited Washington after Pearl Harbor they were shocked that there was no national intelligence network or espionage network in place in the aging FDR administration.

There was none before it either. Probably the closest thing like that we had before WWII was the organization that Allan Pinkerton unofficially ran during the Civil War.

So even insinuating that that was the fault of President Roosevelt is a failure, as the country never really had such an organization.

 

[Mushroom]

Well, perhaps in the 20-40 minutes they might have had warning then, maybe they could have sounded alarms and order all to abandon ship and at least some lives could have been saved.

Right, abandon ship.

At anchor, in a harbor.

Apparently you have never actually served in the military. It can take 20-40 minutes for the people to decide such things to figure out if they want their coffee black or not at the start of the meeting to make such a call. And remember we are also talking about in an era where messages moved very slowly. Even if the guy the RADAR station called had taken it seriously, the message would have still been working its way up the chain of command when the attack started.

 

[Mushroom]

Hard to believe we allowed ourselves to be so vulnerable during a wartime. It is almost like the Japanese had inside knowledge. There we were with all these ships, planes and personnel in a centralized, isolated space unprepared for combat just sitting there fat, dumb and happy that no one would ever dare attack the USA.

We were not at war, so that is not really accurate.

And we were preparing. That is why none of the carriers were in port at the time. Every carrier in the Pacific was almost non-stop ferrying fighters to various outposts. The only exception was the USS Saratoga (CV-3) which was just arriving in San Diego to embark her aircraft because she had been in Washington for the previous 6 months being refit and upgraded.

USS Lexington (CV-2) was enroute to Midway with a group of Vindicator dive-bombers for Midway.

USS Enterprise (CV-6) was returning from Wake Island after delivering Marine Fighter Squadron VMA-211 and their 24 F4F Wildcats.

And many often mention the flight of six B-17s that were arriving in Hawaii when the attack started. However, those bombers were only intending to stop at Hawaii tor fueling and crew rest. They actual destination was the Philippines. We were beefing up our forces in the Pacific as fast as we could at that time. That was also after six years of retirement, General MacArthur was reactivated and placed in command of the US Forces in the Far East. And we pulled all of our forces out of China and sent them to the Philippines to shore up their defenses.

 

[there4eyeM]

Japan was a victim of its own beliefs, traditions and paradigms. Great power requires great wisdom in order to continue. Japan, Germany and Russia are glaring modern examples of failures in that regard. Prudent nations should take note.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Today in History: In 1941, Japan attacks Pearl Harbor

Today is Thursday, Dec. 7, the 341st day of 2023. There are 24 days left in the year.

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On the morning of December 7th, the Japanese pulled a Pearl Harbor job in the US territory of Hawaii.

They laughed about the devious attack until the 1980's, I remember Mr. Fuji laughing on TV "We fooled you stupid Americans in Pearl Harbor, and we will do the same to capture the WWF tag team belts".


But in reality, it was the fault of the ultraliberal Roosevelt, who should have seen the devious look in the eyes of these fiends and realized that Pearl Harbor in Honolulu was the idea site to pull a Pearl Harbor job.

 

[luiza]

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But in reality, it was the fault of the ultraliberal Roosevelt, who should have seen the devious look in the eyes of these fiends and realized that Pearl Harbor in Honolulu was the idea site to pull a Pearl Harbor job.

Huge False Flag .
FR desperately needed to manipulate his Sheeple to enter the war and with full complicity they engineered a False Flag which worked perfectly .
Some people to this day will still deny it was a False Flag. That is ,people who cannot / do not read and /or DYOR .

It was repeated as 9/11 and this time many of the Normies realised later what had happened .
But there are still a few Sheeple who think that a bunch of amateur Arabs were totally responsible .
Which means that until we have further brain surgery advances we will just have to tolerate the handicapped .

 

[there4eyeM]

How did the 1905 war between Japan and Russia start?

 

[toobfreak]

Right, abandon ship.
At anchor, in a harbor.

Well, it would at least be worth a try rather than just stand there waiting to get bombed. How long could it take to sound the abandon ship klaxon and have people just drop everything and start fleeing for safety? Thousands of people died there including an uncle. Had the Navy been prepared and at least had a contingency plan for just in case worse scenario and saved just five of those people, it would have been five lives saved.

Better yet, there should have been a few ships out there, 100-200 miles out panning the horizon with radar as an early warning system, I mean, after all, look what they had to protect! Any military which operates from the arrogance that no one would ever dare attack them gets their butt kicked.

And had the Navy somehow successfully defended itself by being prepared at Pearl Harbor, it might have saved dropping two nukes on the Japanese people. Bottom line is that we were totally vulnerable and unprepared and the Japs read our weakness perfectly.

Not saying it was possible or even practical, but I'd rather try for it and fail than not try at all and have what happened happen.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yep. Hard to believe we allowed ourselves to be so vulnerable during a wartime. Shades of how Israel was asleep celebrating a holiday on 10/7 when Hamas attacked. It is almost like the Japanese had inside knowledge. There we were with all these ships, planes and personnel in a centralized, isolated space unprepared for combat just sitting there fat, dumb and happy that no one would ever dare attack the USA.

The Japanese didn't need inside knowledge, their consulate was well aware that the Army and Navy gave their personnel weekends off and military personnel tended to party on Saturday nights.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Huge False Flag .
FR desperately needed to manipulate his Sheeple to enter the war and with full complicity they engineered a False Flag which worked perfectly .
Some people to this day will still deny it was a False Flag. That is ,people who cannot / do not read and /or DYOR .

It was repeated as 9/11 and this time many of the Normies realised later what had happened .
But there are still a few Sheeple who think that a bunch of amateur Arabs were totally responsible .
Which means that until we have further brain surgery advances we will just have to tolerate the handicapped .

FDR didn't want a war with Japan, he wanted a war with Germany. Japan was a distraction. The US government believed that Japan would back down in the face of the embargos.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Well, it would at least be worth a try rather than just stand there waiting to get bombed. How long could it take to sound the abandon ship klaxon and have people just drop everything and start fleeing for safety? Thousands of people died there including an uncle. Had the Navy been prepared and at least had a contingency plan for just in case worse scenario and saved just five of those people, it would have been five lives saved.

Better yet, there should have been a few ships out there, 100-200 miles out panning the horizon with radar as an early warning system, I mean, after all, look what they had to protect! Any military which operates from the arrogance that no one would ever dare attack them gets their butt kicked.

And had the Navy somehow successfully defended itself by being prepared at Pearl Harbor, it might have saved dropping two nukes on the Japanese people. Bottom line is that we were totally vulnerable and unprepared and the Japs read our weakness perfectly.

Not saying it was possible or even practical, but I'd rather try for it and fail than not try at all and have what happened happen.

I don't think that any of the ships at Pearl Harbor even had radar.

 

[toobfreak]

The Japanese didn't need inside knowledge, their consulate was well aware that the Army and Navy gave their personnel weekends off and military personnel tended to party on Saturday nights.

We were soft and weak. Probably much softer and weaker today.

 

[jwoodie]

Well, it would at least be worth a try rather than just stand there waiting to get bombed. How long could it take to sound the abandon ship klaxon and have people just drop everything and start fleeing for safety? Thousands of people died there including an uncle. Had the Navy been prepared and at least had a contingency plan for just in case worse scenario and saved just five of those people, it would have been five lives saved.

Better yet, there should have been a few ships out there, 100-200 miles out panning the horizon with radar as an early warning system, I mean, after all, look what they had to protect! Any military which operates from the arrogance that no one would ever dare attack them gets their butt kicked.

And had the Navy somehow successfully defended itself by being prepared at Pearl Harbor, it might have saved dropping two nukes on the Japanese people. Bottom line is that we were totally vulnerable and unprepared and the Japs read our weakness perfectly.

Not saying it was possible or even practical, but I'd rather try for it and fail than not try at all and have what happened happen.

Ironically, the US Army was responsible for the defense of Pearl Harbor, not the Navy. Its security assessment was that there more danger from local sabotage than from foreign attack. That is why most of its airplanes were clustered together rather than being held ready to repel an air invasion.

The US Navy's mission was to defend US possessions west of Hawaii. Its official assessment was that Pearl Harbor was too far away from Japan to be a feasible target. The fact that its aircraft carriers were out at sea during the attack was a triple blessing: Their absence caused the Japanese to call off a third airstrike which would have destroyed our fuel supplies; the carriers themselves would have been damaged or sunk; and we would not have been able to defeat the Japanese Navy at Midway.

 

[protectionist]

Right, abandon ship.

At anchor, in a harbor.

Apparently you have never actually served in the military. It can take 20-40 minutes for the people to decide such things to figure out if they want their coffee black or not at the start of the meeting to make such a call. And remember we are also talking about in an era where messages moved very slowly. Even if the guy the RADAR station called had taken it seriously, the message would have still been working its way up the chain of command when the attack started.

So you were there to check all this out first hand, huh ?

 

[protectionist]

Well, it would at least be worth a try rather than just stand there waiting to get bombed. How long could it take to sound the abandon ship klaxon and have people just drop everything and start fleeing for safety? Thousands of people died there including an uncle. Had the Navy been prepared and at least had a contingency plan for just in case worse scenario and saved just five of those people, it would have been five lives saved.

Better yet, there should have been a few ships out there, 100-200 miles out panning the horizon with radar as an early warning system, I mean, after all, look what they had to protect! Any military which operates from the arrogance that no one would ever dare attack them gets their butt kicked.

And had the Navy somehow successfully defended itself by being prepared at Pearl Harbor, it might have saved dropping two nukes on the Japanese people. Bottom line is that we were totally vulnerable and unprepared and the Japs read our weakness perfectly.

Not saying it was possible or even practical, but I'd rather try for it and fail than not try at all and have what happened happen.

Just as "the Japs read our weakness perfectly", this minute, Hamas, Hezbollah, et al are reading our weakness (starting with Joe Biden), and making plans to attack our cities.

Hezbollah, Hamas, al Qaeda, et are the Japs of 2023/2024. Mark my words.

 

[toobfreak]

Just as "the Japs read our weakness perfectly", this minute, Hamas, Hezbollah, et al reading our weakness (starting with Joe Biden), and making plans to attack our cities.
Hezbollah, Hamas, al Qaeda, et ar the Japs of 2023/2024. Mark my words.

I occasionally catch a show by a guy called Ben Bergquam who is the only one I know really scoping out the border even going into Mexico at the risk of his own life to see what's going on down there before people get to the USA, and he even interviews many of the illegal immigrants and they are from all over the world, including from China and Afghanistan.

I don't see any little kids, no women or old men. 99% of the millions coming into this country are young healthy military age men from hostile countries.

You can look him up and check out his many videos to see that I'm not lying.

 

[Mushroom]

Japan had radar in 1942, it wasn’t widely installed on ships until mid 1943. Japan never really pushed the research on the technology.

Well, like many things in Japan, the competing services refused to share with each other.

The Army actually had the most advanced RADAR in the nation, but refused to share what they had with the Navy. But when compared to the systems of the US, they were unquestionably behind. The late-war Japanese Army RADAR was roughly equal to the early war US stuff.

And many of the systems the Navy used were of very low quality. As in only able to detect large groups of aircraft, or able to scan either the surface or air but not both. And the Japanese put it on relatively few ships when compared to the US, which mounted it on almost everything they had.