The Nexus Of Russia, China, Japan and Pearl Harbor

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1. Stalin, personification of evil, but by far the smartest of the dictators, Hitler and Franklin Roosevelt. He had the most effective spy agency in history. It didn't have to be that good in America, because FDR was so stupid that he welcomed Stalin's agents into his administration, and when they were revealed......he promoted them.

2. But they were very active and effective in Japan. Japan was on the cusp of becoming a world power, and needed resources and colonies....and looked longingly at Manchuria and at Soviet territory. Stalin used his agents to pursuade Japan to target America, and the Pacific, instead.


3. In 1995,Kremlin agent Vitaly Pavlov revealed "Operation Snow,"the plan to manipulate Japan and America into war."
In "Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter make a very strong case for Pearl Harbor being the most complex and successful KGB operation,designed to avert a Japanese attack on the USSR, and to force the United States to fight a two-front war, and be unable to stop Stalin from control of at least half of Europe. In 1995, former Kremlin agent Vitaly Pavlov revealed his role in this "Operation Snow."

Pavlov "was sent to the United States seven months before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor to meet with Harry Dexter White, then director of Monetary Research for the Treasury.
Did "Snow" mean "White"? Yes,

Harry Dexter White had been a Soviet "asset"
since the early 1930s, providing information to Whittaker Chambers, a courier for the communist underground. By 1941 White was a top aide and adviser to Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury.

Pavlov wrote that the Soviets feared a Japanese attack from the east, and his mission was to discuss with White what could be done to keep the Japanese from joining forces with the Germans."
Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History
[Operation Snow http://nation.time.com/2012/12/07/pearl-harbor-2-0/]



4. "The chapter on Pearl Harbor is likewise instructive as to how Soviet agents operated.

Japan seriously considered an attack on Russia, but Stalin’s agents in the Japanese government and in the highly efficient Sorge spy ring on the island nation helped persuade Imperial Japan to turn its aggression “elsewhere.” That “elsewhere” eventually turned out to be Pearl Harbor.

Stalin’s acolytes in the U.S. were simultaneously pushing a foreign policy against Japan that would lead the Japanese away from any designs on Siberia and toward conflict with America."
Infiltration, intrigue and Communists - Conservative News


5. Japan was responsible for numerous atrocities in China, and the current Red Chinese have made it known that they haven't forgotten.

Japan has finally begun to militarize. They recently launched their newest aircraft carrier:

JS Kaga (DDH-184) is a helicopter carrier with a planned future conversion into an aircraft carrier. Officially classified as a multi-purpose operation destroyer, she is the second ship in the Izumo class of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF), the other being JS Izumo.
Aircraft carried: 7 ASW helicopters and 2 SAR ...
Displacement: 19,500 long tons (19,800 t) stan...
JS Kaga - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › JS_Kaga




Does the name ring a bell?

"...and was one of the main carriers that launched the planes that attacked Pearl Harbor."

I wonder if it's headed for the South China Sea.
 
Is this a book review or a conspiracy theory about the Pearl Harbor attack? If the latter, Japan didn't need any egging on by Soviet spies. As a result of Japan's imperialistic incursions into China, the U.S. had cut off 90% of its oil supplies, thus crippling its economy. Japan then set its sights on Southeast Asia, particularly Dutch Indonesia, as a replacement source of oil. Since FDR had moved the U.S. Navy to Hawaii earlier in 1941, it now represented a major threat to Japan's plan.

The U.S. expected a Japanese attack on the Philippines, Guam or Midway, but thought that Hawaii was just too far away (3,000 miles) to be a serious target. Fortunately, we had sent two aircraft carrier task forces out towards Guam and Midway before the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. As a result, the ship losses at Pearl were not as crippling to the Navy as first believed.
 
Is this a book review or a conspiracy theory about the Pearl Harbor attack? If the latter, Japan didn't need any egging on by Soviet spies. As a result of Japan's imperialistic incursions into China, the U.S. had cut off 90% of its oil supplies, thus crippling its economy. Japan then set its sights on Southeast Asia, particularly Dutch Indonesia, as a replacement source of oil. Since FDR had moved the U.S. Navy to Hawaii earlier in 1941, it now represented a major threat to Japan's plan.

The U.S. expected a Japanese attack on the Philippines, Guam or Midway, but thought that Hawaii was just too far away (3,000 miles) to be a serious target. Fortunately, we had sent two aircraft carrier task forces out towards Guam and Midway before the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. As a result, the ship losses at Pearl were not as crippling to the Navy as first believed.


It is a set of facts.




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Richard Sorge, (born October 4, 1895, Baku, Russia [now in Azerbaijan]—died November 7, 1944, Tokyo, Japan), German press correspondent who headed a successful Soviet espionage ring in Tokyo during World War II. Britannica.com




In need of natural resources to become the global empire to which they aspired, Japan had it’s eyes on Stalin’s Russia.
Always thinking two moves ahead of everyone else, Stalin knew his ally, Hitler, would attack him for the same natural resources…..so he set his spy network to work to move Japan to attack a different power…..America.



Under Stalin's auspices, Sorge worked to direct Japan against America.
And he was successful.
...Richard Sorge was arrested in Tokyo in 1941 by the Japanese police, he had just informed Soviet dictator Josef Stalin that Japan was planning to attack Pearl Harbor. Thus was the culmination of a years-long operation directed by the Soviet Union wherein the ultimate weapon was influence(there's that word again, Joe Biden's favorite).

The Sorge spy ring achieved success in steering Japan away from its previously considered plan to attack the Soviet Union, and instead to turn its fire on another target which turned out to be the United States."
The role of Soviet agents in the Pearl Harbor attack
The role of Soviet agents in the Pearl Harbor attack

Amongst the myriad twists and turns and subplots of World War II was the amazing efficiency with which Soviet agents in the U.S.O., Japan, and elsewhere around the globe coordinated to steer the imperial Japanese government away from an attack on the Soviet Union – a multi-year effort that...
www.renewamerica.com
 
1. Stalin, personification of evil, but by far the smartest of the dictators, Hitler and Franklin Roosevelt. He had the most effective spy agency in history. It didn't have to be that good in America, because FDR was so stupid that he welcomed Stalin's agents into his administration, and when they were revealed......he promoted them.
Just one comment for you, under the assumption that you are clever enough to understand?

The latest tactic being employed as US propaganda is still the demonization of Russia under the wrong assumption that they are communists. But the change in tactics to be noted is that Nazism will no longer be condemned openly. Nazism won't be mentioned by the propagandists, in the interest of not alienating the Ukraine's neo-Nazis who are spearheading their fight. Also relevant is Russia's claim to be fighting Nazism.
This will eventually evolve into more cheering for WW2 Nazism. I saw the first example of that yesterday on US t.v. If you care for details, please ask.

Demonizing Nazism is contrary to your country's purpose. But promoting Nazi accomplishments is still not quite acceptable.
 
Just one comment for you, under the assumption that you are clever enough to understand?

The latest tactic being employed as US propaganda is still the demonization of Russia under the wrong assumption that they are communists. But the change in tactics to be noted is that Nazism will no longer be condemned openly. Nazism won't be mentioned by the propagandists, in the interest of not alienating the Ukraine's neo-Nazis who are spearheading their fight. Also relevant is Russia's claim to be fighting Nazism.
This will eventually evolve into more cheering for WW2 Nazism. I saw the first example of that yesterday on US t.v. If you care for details, please ask.

Demonizing Nazism is contrary to your country's purpose. But promoting Nazi accomplishments is still not quite acceptable.



I have not posted on the current Russia-Ukraine situation.


The term propaganda need be restricted to Leftist/Progressive/Liberal/Democrat media, as they maintain informational dominance.

You Bolsheviks must be so proud.
 
It is a set of facts.




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Richard Sorge, (born October 4, 1895, Baku, Russia [now in Azerbaijan]—died November 7, 1944, Tokyo, Japan), German press correspondent who headed a successful Soviet espionage ring in Tokyo during World War II. Britannica.com




In need of natural resources to become the global empire to which they aspired, Japan had it’s eyes on Stalin’s Russia.
Always thinking two moves ahead of everyone else, Stalin knew his ally, Hitler, would attack him for the same natural resources…..so he set his spy network to work to move Japan to attack a different power…..America.
You're on the right track with further and escalated demonization of Russia, but you're going to have to steer away from any demonization of the Nazis, in the best interests of your country's propaganda effort.
Suggesting that Stalin was allied with Hitler, while true in a limited sense for a short period of time, is now verboten!

Communism is the enemy for propaganda purposes.

Nazism and fascism is not!
 
I have not posted on the current Russia-Ukraine situation.


The term propaganda need be restricted to Leftist/Progressive/Liberal/Democrat media, as they maintain informational dominance.

You Bolsheviks must be so proud.
There is pride to be had in opposing fascism.
Communism in the example of China's effort to apply capitalist principles is interesting on which to speculate. That could be the way of the future in the sense of how it differs so greatly with US style capitalism under a faux democracy.

Why not?
You know how you are going to have to behave if you are interested in an exchange of ideas with me!

You Bolsheviks must be so proud.

That doesn't work!
 
There is pride to be had in opposing fascism.
Communism in the example of China's effort to apply capitalist principles is interesting on which to speculate. That could be the way of the future in the sense of how it differs so greatly with US style capitalism under a faux democracy.

Why not?
You know how you are going to have to behave if you are interested in an exchange of ideas with me!



That doesn't work!



"There is pride to be had in opposing fascism."


We have a winner in the category of "Unintentional Humor!!!!!"

You are a Fascist, you dunce.


One can only wonder why you come here to lie about America and Americans when the Fascism you desire is apparent in your home country?


"As #TrudeauTyranny rains violence on Ottawa, other Canadian cities STEP UP against the CRACKDOWN​

The cops in Ottawa are dragging truckers out at gunpoint, stealing their money and even their pets, kicking and beating them in the streets while not wearing name tags or badge numbers so they can’t be tried at Nuremberg. But as the tinpot dictator’s oppression machine marches in the capital, truckers are lining up in other cities in solidarity and defiance."
therightscoop.com

As #TrudeauTyranny rains violence on Ottawa, other Canadian cities STEP UP against the CRACKDOWN

The cops in Ottawa are dragging truckers out at gunpoint, stealing their money and even their pets, kicking and beating them in the streets while not wearing name tags or badge numbers so they can&…
therightscoop.com
therightscoop.com


"Ottawa police to emulate FBI’s Jan 6 tactics, using video to hunt down protesters ‘for months to come’​

In the latest sign that there will be severe punishment meted out to those who dared to defy Trudeau, Ottawa’s interim police chief made it clear that those who were present at the peaceful protests will be hunted down in a similar manner that those in the U.S. who were at the Capitol on January 6, 2021 were."
www.bizpacreview.com

Ottawa police to emulate FBI's Jan 6 tactics, using video to hunt down protesters 'for months to come'

With PM Justin Trudeau's Canadian crackdown in full swing, Ottawa's police chief said that protesters will be hunted down for months to come.
www.bizpacreview.com
www.bizpacreview.com


"RED FLAG: Canadian Deputy PM says some powers SEIZED by Trudeau’s gov’t will be made PERMANENT​

This is like Tyranny 101. First they call it an emergency. Then they seize emergency power and say it won’t be permanent it’s just necessary during these “extraordinary” times."

therightscoop.com

RED FLAG: Canadian Deputy PM says some powers SEIZED by Trudeau’s gov’t will be made PERMANENT

This is like Tyranny 101. First they call it an emergency. Then they seize emergency power and say it won’t be permanent it’s just necessary during these “extraordinary” tim…
therightscoop.com
therightscoop.com



"Russell Brand BLASTS #TrudeauTyranny for “seizure of power” and “oppression” of Freedom Convoy​

On the issue of the tyrannical, dictatorial, fascist crackdown by Canadian Hitler Justin Trudeau, Brand is absolutely on the side of right, if not The Right.

My favorite line was “governments like control and power! That’s what their job is. The same as Coca-Cola likes sugary brown water.”
therightscoop.com

WATCH: Russell Brand BLASTS #TrudeauTyranny for “seizure of power” and “oppression” of Freedom Convoy

Russell Brand is a liberal, and weird one, but not really a “progressive” in the woke sense. In some ways he reminds one of a libertarian on some issues, and is an anti-war type. But so…
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"#TrudeauTyranny trends as Ottawa cops attack protesters and ASSAULT REPORTERS​

The Trudeau regime has given up all pretense of free society, as they trample freedoms and human beings in a vicious, Stalin-esque crackdown on free speech. Not just the speech of protesters but of the press as well.

The Ottawa government and the Canadian government overall are invoking anti-terror powers to physically assault protesters and reporters, and lying online about what they’re doing, gaslighting the world as they burn down Canada’s veneer of being a free state."
therightscoop.com

#TrudeauTyranny trends as Ottawa cops attack protesters and ASSAULT REPORTERS

The Trudeau regime has given up all pretense of free society, as they trample freedoms and human beings in a vicious, Stalin-esque crackdown on free speech. Not just the speech of protesters but of…
therightscoop.com
therightscoop.com



The Fascism on display would warm your heart........if you had one.
 
Japan was on the cusp of becoming a world power, and needed resources and colonies....and looked longingly at Manchuria and at Soviet territory. Stalin used his agents to pursuade Japan to target America, and the Pacific, instead.
Stalin used his Army to kick Japan's butt in 1939.
 
The Forgotten Soviet-Japanese War of 1939 - The Diplomat


Absurd.

Stalin had every intention of having America use its forces to destroy Germany and Japan, and thereby aid his aims of communist world domination.
He demanded the Allies attack Europe as far West as possible....Normandy, so the Red Army could occupy Europe post war.


Nominally a US ally, he had no intention of using his forces when he could simply promise to do so….and renege.
That's why he didn't attack Japan.
"… on 8 August 1945, two days after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and the day before the second bomb fell on Nagasaki, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan.”





“The Soviet Union had an interest in the Far East long before the Second World War. By the 1930s, Stalin’s Soviet Union and Imperial Japan both viewed themselves as rising powers with ambitions to expand their territorial holdings. In addition to a strategic rivalry dating back to the 19th century, they now nursed an ideological enmity born of the Bolshevik Revolution and the ultraconservative military’s growing hold on Japanese politics.

…the Allies were trying to persuade the Soviet Union to participate in the war against Japan. However, Stalin still adamantly refused any participation with the war against Japan, to avoid war on two fronts.

After the Germans were defeated at the battle of Stalingrad at the beginning of 1943, Stalin began to build up Soviet forces in North East China. In November of the same year, Stalin showed signs of willingness to participate in the war against Japan, by verbally agreeing, at the Tehran Conference, that the moment Germany collapsed, the Soviet would join in defeating Japan.

…In the first week of February 1945, ‘The Big Three’ met again at Yalta, a resort city on the south coast of the Crimean peninsula, to discuss the post-war reorganization of Germany and Europe. In this meeting, the pledge that Stalin made at Tehran was confirmed. Stalin agreed that the Soviet Union would enter the war against Japan three months after Germany’s surrender,…

… on 8 August 1945, two days after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and the day before the second bomb fell on Nagasaki, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan.”
 
The Forgotten Soviet-Japanese War of 1939 - The Diplomat
(Sorry, I haven't figured out how to attach link.)


That's OK....I have read the Diplomat article....I don't believe it.

I believe that Stalin was the smartest tactician of the time and planned not to waste forces on Japan. He held back until the war was over.

Media of all sorts praises Stalin and Russia....unduly.

The majority of Russians killed in WWII were killed by Russian forces.

He got us to fight his war, even though no one thought the smaller Germany could have defeated Russia (except Hitler, a fool).


Stalin demanded that Roosevelt continue the war until 'unconditional surrender.'







Many anti-Nazi Germans were ready to fight Hitler, but Stalin couldn't allow any German post-war resistance to Communism...

So Roosevelt agreed.

He could have ended the war with a victory before Normandy.





Know what that means?



To get an idea of the cost of the extended war...."....over one hundred thirty-five thousand American GIs died –a startling figure today – between D day[june 6, 1944] and V-E day,[May 8, 1945]...."
So did the Red Army really singlehandedly defeat the Third Reich Stuff I Done Wrote - The Michael A. Charles Online Presence

Get that?

135,000 brave American boys whose lives were offered up as a gift to Stalin....to make certain that communism survived.


Based on the ratio of deaths to wounded, that would suggest almost an additional 200,000 wounded, just between Normandy and Germany's surrender.

Totally attributed to Roosevelt's refusal to allow a treaty to end the war.








United States suffered 292,000 combat deaths. Fully a third to a half during the last few years......could have been avoided.

World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


100,000 American boys.....
They were sacrificed, Roosevelt's love-token, to Stalin by this love-sick, puerile United States President.
What other explanation is there?
 
You're on the right track with further and escalated demonization of Russia, but you're going to have to steer away from any demonization of the Nazis, in the best interests of your country's propaganda effort.
Suggesting that Stalin was allied with Hitler, while true in a limited sense for a short period of time, is now verboten!

Communism is the enemy for propaganda purposes.

Nazism and fascism is not!
Stalin was allied with Germany for at least
You're on the right track with further and escalated demonization of Russia, but you're going to have to steer away from any demonization of the Nazis, in the best interests of your country's propaganda effort.
Suggesting that Stalin was allied with Hitler, while true in a limited sense for a short period of time, is now verboten!

Communism is the enemy for propaganda purposes.

Nazism and fascism is not!

Stalin was allied with not only Hitler, but the Weimar Republic before him. It started as early as 1922 with Germany being allowed to do training, weapons and aircraft development and military research in the USSR far beyond the reach of the League of Nations disarmament inspectors intended to make sure Germany stayed disarmed. Stalin was providing Hitler with war materials, oil, food and raw materials from at least the mid-thirties right up until the soearheads of the Barbarossa forces passed trains carrying war material into Germany.
 
Stalin was allied with Germany for at least



...until June 21, 1941.


When Hitler began his advances on other countries, Stalin refused to join the nations talking of stopping him. Stalin was, in fact, pleased that Hitler was destroying the old order throughout Europe. "There will be no parliaments, no trade unions, no armies, no governments....then Stalin will come as the liberator...millions of people will be sitting in concentration camps, hoping someone will liberate them, then Stalin and the Red Army will come and liberate them. That was his plan." Vladimir Bukovsky.

But Hitler didn't have the supplies nor resources he needed, so August 23, 1939, Soviet Russia' Foreign Minister Molotov signs the Nazi-Soviet Non-aggression Pact while German Foreign Minister Von Ribbentrop and Soviet leader Josef Stalin look on, while standing under a portrait of Lenin –materials to be provided in later economic agreements.


Germany would not have conquered the USSR.

Hitler knew that....and so must have Roosevelt.

Here are the facts:
.. when Operation Barbarossa started on June 22, 1941, the available (German) supplies of fuel, tires, spare parts etc., were only good enough for about two months.....

Stalin, in fact, had been supplying resources to Hitler.

The Wehrmacht continued to advance, albeit very slowly, and by mid-November some units found themselves at only 30 kilometers from the capital. But the troops were now totally exhausted, and running out of supplies. Their commanders knew that it was simply impossible to take Moscow.
Hitler s Failed Blitzkrieg against the Soviet Union. The Battle of Moscow and Stalingrad Turning Point of World War II Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
72 Years Ago, December 1941: Turning Point of World War II
'The Victory of the Red Army in front of Moscow was a Major Break'…
by Jacques Pauwels



By attacking in June, Hitler had planned to avoid Russia's three greatest generals....December, January, and February.
He didn't.
 
When World War II ended in 1945 few doubted that the victor's laurels belonged mainly to Joseph Stalin. Under his leadership the Soviet Union had just won the war of the century, and that victory was closely identified with his role as the country's supreme commander.

Stalin's victory? The Soviet Union and World War II - History ...


[URL='https://www.historyireland.com/stalins-victory-the-soviet-union-and-world-war-ii/#:~:text=When%20World%20War%20II%20ended,as%20the%20country%27s%20supreme%20commander.']https://www.historyireland.com › stalins-victory-the-soviet...
 
1. Stalin, personification of evil, but by far the smartest of the dictators, Hitler and Franklin Roosevelt. He had the most effective spy agency in history. It didn't have to be that good in America, because FDR was so stupid that he welcomed Stalin's agents into his administration, and when they were revealed......he promoted them.

2. But they were very active and effective in Japan. Japan was on the cusp of becoming a world power, and needed resources and colonies....and looked longingly at Manchuria and at Soviet territory. Stalin used his agents to pursuade Japan to target America, and the Pacific, instead.


3. In 1995,Kremlin agent Vitaly Pavlov revealed "Operation Snow,"the plan to manipulate Japan and America into war."
In "Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter make a very strong case for Pearl Harbor being the most complex and successful KGB operation,designed to avert a Japanese attack on the USSR, and to force the United States to fight a two-front war, and be unable to stop Stalin from control of at least half of Europe. In 1995, former Kremlin agent Vitaly Pavlov revealed his role in this "Operation Snow."

Pavlov "was sent to the United States seven months before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor to meet with Harry Dexter White, then director of Monetary Research for the Treasury.
Did "Snow" mean "White"? Yes,

Harry Dexter White had been a Soviet "asset"
since the early 1930s, providing information to Whittaker Chambers, a courier for the communist underground. By 1941 White was a top aide and adviser to Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury.

Pavlov wrote that the Soviets feared a Japanese attack from the east, and his mission was to discuss with White what could be done to keep the Japanese from joining forces with the Germans."
Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History
[Operation Snow http://nation.time.com/2012/12/07/pearl-harbor-2-0/]



4. "The chapter on Pearl Harbor is likewise instructive as to how Soviet agents operated.

Japan seriously considered an attack on Russia, but Stalin’s agents in the Japanese government and in the highly efficient Sorge spy ring on the island nation helped persuade Imperial Japan to turn its aggression “elsewhere.” That “elsewhere” eventually turned out to be Pearl Harbor.

Stalin’s acolytes in the U.S. were simultaneously pushing a foreign policy against Japan that would lead the Japanese away from any designs on Siberia and toward conflict with America."
Infiltration, intrigue and Communists - Conservative News


5. Japan was responsible for numerous atrocities in China, and the current Red Chinese have made it known that they haven't forgotten.

Japan has finally begun to militarize. They recently launched their newest aircraft carrier:

JS Kaga (DDH-184) is a helicopter carrier with a planned future conversion into an aircraft carrier. Officially classified as a multi-purpose operation destroyer, she is the second ship in the Izumo class of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF), the other being JS Izumo.
Aircraft carried: 7 ASW helicopters and 2 SAR ...
Displacement: 19,500 long tons (19,800 t) stan...
JS Kaga - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › JS_Kaga



Does the name ring a bell?

"...and was one of the main carriers that launched the planes that attacked Pearl Harbor."

I wonder if it's headed for the South China Sea.
Japan seriously considered an attack on Russia, but Stalin’s agents in the Japanese government and in the highly efficient Sorge spy ring on the island nation helped persuade Imperial Japan to turn its aggression “elsewhere.” That “elsewhere” eventually turned out to be Pearl Harbor.


I think Japan had a better reason for not attacking the soviet union

They had already fought russian forces twice since 1939 and got their ass kicked both times
 

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