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What do some people see the world positively and others through an ideology filter that blocks commonsense. It would seem an excellent public education a value worth paying for and yet many feel threatened by knowledge. Fear buys bombs, why doesn't fear of an uneducated public also cause concern. Totalitarian nations control educational access for a reason. Educational neglect has the same effect.



"Republicans [and others] approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home -but not for housing. They are strong for labor - but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage - the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all - but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine - for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing - but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing - so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it." Harry S. Truman
 

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What do some people see the world positively and others through an ideology filter that blocks commonsense. It would seem an excellent public education a value worth paying for and yet many feel threatened by knowledge. Fear buys bombs, why doesn't fear of an uneducated public also cause concern. Totalitarian nations control educational access for a reason. Educational neglect has the same effect.



"Republicans [and others] approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home -but not for housing. They are strong for labor - but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage - the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all - but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine - for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing - but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing - so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it." Harry S. Truman
An uneducated population are easier to control, they're easier to tell what to do, who to vote for, and they will respond well to simplistic ideas, like power.

So the right don't want good education, it doesn't breed Republicans.
 

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As if public education is a "good education."

What a crock.
 

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Public education in a democracy might be difficult with both parties wanting to control education. How many educational programs have politicians created before Bush's NCLB? How many have been successful?
 
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When people criticize our public education they fail to admit, or maybe understand, why that is. Knowing lots of teachers much has to do with facilities and material. Consider the amount of money spent on public schools and consider the attitude of Americans towards education.

"For years, Finland has led the pack in international test scores, becoming a source of fascination for education policymakers and experts. Now, the country is changing the way it teaches students. Going forward, Finnish schools will be placing less emphasis on individual subjects like math and history, and will instead focus on broader, more interdisciplinary topics. The goal, according to Finnish leaders, is to provide students with the necessary skills for a more technological, global society."

Here are three things you need to know about Finland’s changing education system: Finland's Schools Are Overhauling The Way They Do Things. Here's How
 

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Funny the best example of a successful AMERICAN education system is the Hillsdale Academy. It distributes its plan nationwide. In a small rural setting it has produced a number of National Merit Scholars and very high test scores by stressing traditional subjects including Latin.
 

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The American public school system is ENTIRELY the creation of the Democratic party, and the unions which symbiotically support it. The combination of unsustainable compensation, bizarre and illogical work rules, faux professionalism, and perverse lifetime tenure, have created a "kingdom" that combines conspicuous failure with crushing cost.

And yet when the obvious shortcomings are mentioned, the predictable response is ALWAYS "not enough MONEY!"
 

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When people criticize our public education they fail to admit, or maybe understand, why that is. Knowing lots of teachers much has to do with facilities and material. Consider the amount of money spent on public schools and consider the attitude of Americans towards education.

"For years, Finland has led the pack in international test scores, becoming a source of fascination for education policymakers and experts. Now, the country is changing the way it teaches students. Going forward, Finnish schools will be placing less emphasis on individual subjects like math and history, and will instead focus on broader, more interdisciplinary topics. The goal, according to Finnish leaders, is to provide students with the necessary skills for a more technological, global society."

Here are three things you need to know about Finland’s changing education system: Finland's Schools Are Overhauling The Way They Do Things. Here's How
Actually a lot is about training and trying to improve teaching, also about how schools are set up and what they aim to teach.

If you teach stuff that's not worth anything, nothing really matters.
 

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Funny the best example of a successful AMERICAN education system is the Hillsdale Academy. It distributes its plan nationwide. In a small rural setting it has produced a number of National Merit Scholars and very high test scores by stressing traditional subjects including Latin.
That's what we need, lots of students who can pass tests, because then they'll have the skills needed to pass tests in the future, which will come in very handy for.... er.... for.... I don't know, which job requires you to pass tests?
 

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The American public school system is ENTIRELY the creation of the Democratic party, and the unions which symbiotically support it. The combination of unsustainable compensation, bizarre and illogical work rules, faux professionalism, and perverse lifetime tenure, have created a "kingdom" that combines conspicuous failure with crushing cost.

And yet when the obvious shortcomings are mentioned, the predictable response is ALWAYS "not enough MONEY!"
So what about the Republicans then? Where have they been the whole time? What have they been doing?

Either they're so incompetent they have done nothing, or even worse, they've been combating education.
 

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Wise people have always understood that there cannot be freedom without an educated electorate.

"Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves therefore are its only safe depositories. And to render even them safe their minds must be improved to a certain degree. This indeed is not all that is necessary, though it be essentially necessary. An amendment of our constitution must here come in aid of the public education. The influence over government must be shared among all the people. If every individual which composes their mass participates of the ultimate authority, the government will be safe; because the corrupting the whole mass will exceed any private resources of wealth"
-- Thomas Jefferson, from 'Notes on the State of Virginia' Query 14

"It is better for the poorer classes to have the aid of the richer by a general tax on property, than that every parent should provide at his own expence for the education of his children, it is certain that every Class is interested in establishments which give to the human mind its highest improvements, and to every Country its truest and most durable celebrity."
-- James Madison; from letter to W.T. Barry (Aug. 4, 1822)

"We agree in the utility of universal education, but 'will nations agree in it as fully and extensively as we do?' Why should they not? It would not be fair to conclude that, because they have not yet been disposed to agree in it, they never will. It is allowed that the present age is more enlightened than former ones. Freedom of inquiry is certainly more encouraged; the feelings of humanity have softened the heart; the true principles of civil and religious liberty are better understood; tyranny in all its shapes is more detested; and bigotry, if not still blind, must be mortified to see that she is despised. Such an age may afford at least a nattering expectation that nations, as well as individuals, will view the utility of universal education in so strong a light, as to induce sufficient national patronage and support."
-- Samuel Adams; letter to John Adams (November 20, 1790)

"there should not be a district of one Mile square without a school in it, not founded by a Charitable individual but maintained at the expence of the People themselv they must be taught to reverence themselvs instead of adoreing their servants their Generals Admirals Bishops and Statesmen"
-- John Adams; from letter to John Jebb (Sept. 10, 1785)
 

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You can't nail just Republicans for public education when the Democrats are absolutely heavily involved in profiting off of them. Further, as long as we have all of the money going towards testing then there won't be any money for teachers and facilities.

Yes. I know the WH has decided that there might be too much testing but with that statement came the "some parents actually like the testing".

There comes a point where the give a damn is more than the party.
 

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Should we spend the same amount of money on each child's elementary and high school education or should we spend more money on some children's education and less on others?
 

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Funny the best example of a successful AMERICAN education system is the Hillsdale Academy. It distributes its plan nationwide. In a small rural setting it has produced a number of National Merit Scholars and very high test scores by stressing traditional subjects including Latin.
That's what we need, lots of students who can pass tests, because then they'll have the skills needed to pass tests in the future, which will come in very handy for.... er.... for.... I don't know, which job requires you to pass tests?



All of them .
 

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What do some people see the world positively and others through an ideology filter that blocks commonsense. It would seem an excellent public education a value worth paying for and yet many feel threatened by knowledge. Fear buys bombs, why doesn't fear of an uneducated public also cause concern. Totalitarian nations control educational access for a reason. Educational neglect has the same effect.



"Republicans [and others] approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home -but not for housing. They are strong for labor - but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage - the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all - but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine - for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing - but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing - so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it." Harry S. Truman
An uneducated population are easier to control, they're easier to tell what to do, who to vote for,


Not as easy as a well programmed one. That's what democrats think education is for.
 

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