Education Dept. : BDS activity against Israel will be defined as anti-Semitism

[Sixties Fan]

[ What BDS is all about. Please tell me that it is only about Israel, and that Russians, Turks, British, go through the same thing for occupying another people's land. Although, of course, is not "occupying" any other people's land]


The “three D” test is a definition of antisemitism crafted by Natan Sharansky, the former head of the Jewish Agency. In 2004, Sharansky outlined what he called “new antisemitism”.

Demonization, he wrote, is when Israel’s actions are blown out of all sensible proportion and comparisons are made, for example, between Israelis and Nazis, and between Palestinian refugee camps and Auschwitz. Double standard is when criticism of Israel is applied selectively and the Jewish state is singled out, for example, by the United Nations. Delegitimization, Sharansky wrote, is when Israel’s fundamental right to exist is denied.

The BDS campaign does not call for the boycott and divestment from Israel because it wants peace. It calls for a one-state solution, one which BDS supporters envisage will one day end the Zionist enterprise that led 70 years ago to the establishment of the world’s only Jewish state.

(full article online)

New antisemitism

I'm going to disagree a bit here, not because I particularly agree with BDS (it's frequent comparison's to apartheid are questionable, as is an insistence on right to return) - BUT, I went to their main webpage to see what they had to say about themselves. They don't call for a one state solution or any solution nor do they call for an end to Israel proper.

FAQs

The BDS movement aims to pressure Israel to respect international law by:


1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.


2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality.


3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194.


These are three basic rights without which the Palestinian people cannot exercise its inalienable right to self-determination.​

The BDS movement does not advocate for a particular solution to the conflict and does not call for either a “one state solution” or a “two state solution”. Instead, BDS focuses on the realization of basic rights and the implementation of international law.

[1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.]

They may not be telling people this BUT All of Israel is considered Arab land.

Arab Israelis have full rights, to vote, work, etc

So, 1 and 2 are kind of confusing for those who do not know what is really on the mind of the Arab leaders, who have made it very clear in their Charters, that their final goal is the destruction of Israel by any means available.

For a discussion we can really only go by what they say and do, and they specified "West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights" - if you have evidence that they want to "de-occupy" Israel proper - show me.

Are You kidding??!
This is the central activity of the organization, convince people that the Jewish nation has no right to exist, not one or two villages but ALL OF IT:
Israel's 1948 founding is 'occupation' in BDS resolution approved by student government - The College Fix

And that's before we even discuss the incitement to violence and openly antisemitic imagery used by the organization.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon

You are just not being honest. Islam is not just a religion because it is an ideology too. 53+ and all backwards even compared to Israel.

I'm being completely honest. I gave you relevent examples of other countries and other religions. If you can't accept that, it's not my honesty in question.

You are not. How many Buddhist countries approve overwhelmingly of murder over a cartoon? How
Many call for the genocide of Jews? This is silly.

Now you are moving the goalposts.

No I am not. There is a level of socially inferior and Islam countries are 100x worse than Buddhist counties. False equivalency by you. Like Judaism and Christianity it is a religion of peace. Islam was founded by a warlord.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages and human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon they are better?

Thanks for providing more information though - you just hate Muslims right? If you knew anything about history you would know that no major religion is truly a religion of peace. It's never that simple.

We do not have to like any of the Muslim or Christian people who have chosen to hate and oppress and kill Jews throughout history.

Judaism IS a religion of Peace. It does not seek to convert people by force, but only by choice.
Hinduism and many others also do not force people to convert.

Sometimes it is .....that simple.

Jews have been giving up land for peace.

Muslims have been taking land, and not giving peace in return. Just look at Arafat, Abbas, etc and what they really want, and how they have been going about doing it.
BDS is no different.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

[1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.]

They may not be telling people this BUT All of Israel is considered Arab land.

Arab Israelis have full rights, to vote, work, etc

So, 1 and 2 are kind of confusing for those who do not know what is really on the mind of the Arab leaders, who have made it very clear in their Charters, that their final goal is the destruction of Israel by any means available.

For a discussion we can really only go by what they say and do, and they specified "West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights" - if you have evidence that they want to "de-occupy" Israel proper - show me.

Are You kidding??!
This is the central activity of the organization, convince people that the Jewish nation has no right to exist, not one or two villages but ALL OF IT:
Israel's 1948 founding is 'occupation' in BDS resolution approved by student government - The College Fix

And that's before we even discuss the incitement to violence and openly antisemitic imagery used by the organization.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon

You are not. How many Buddhist countries approve overwhelmingly of murder over a cartoon? How
Many call for the genocide of Jews? This is silly.

Now you are moving the goalposts.

No I am not. There is a level of socially inferior and Islam countries are 100x worse than Buddhist counties. False equivalency by you. Like Judaism and Christianity it is a religion of peace. Islam was founded by a warlord.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages and human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon they are better?

Thanks for providing more information though - you just hate Muslims right? If you knew anything about history you would know that no major religion is truly a religion of peace. It's never that simple.

Hate? No. Concern yes. Buddhist countries don’t kill you for drawing cartoons.

No. They just marry off kids and burn people of the wrong ethnicity alive in their homes and enslave trafficked humans. Stuff like that.

India has issues for sure but they don’t impose their views outside their country. It is one country. Islam is a majority in 53? All bad. ALL. Facts are not based on hate or love they are based on facts.

 

[Shusha]

Jerusalem has been claimed in it's entirety by Israel from the beginning. As to the why behind it - it's the historical and religious center of the Jewish people. I don't dispute that. But more recent history has created conflict with that claim. I also don't dispute that Israel is a better steward of the heritage and preservation of it's sites. But manipulating things to dilute or disenfranchise resident populations is not right either. Nor is insisting that the Palestinians MUST negotiate (as oppose to going to the UN) while then taking, with American support, Jerusalem in entirety WITHOUT negotiation - that doesn't seem right in my opinion.

That is the why.

To be fair, the American support extends ONLY to "West" Jerusalem (assuming you are discussing the Embassy and is a right EVERY OTHER NATION holds but some people wish to restrict for the Jewish State). And don't forget the Arab Palestinians were offered "East" Jerusalem ten years ago, including all the Jewish Holy Places (insane to look back at that now), and they refused it. And (!) don't forget that Israel accepted 181 which would have made Jerusalem an international city and outside the sovereignty of Israel. So it is a fallacy and disingenuous to claim that Israel has claimed Jerusalem in its entirety from the beginning.

Having said that, Israel has EVERY RIGHT to claim its historical and religious center as being under its sovereignty. ESPECIALLY since Arab Muslim control of Israel's Holy Places has been disastrous with respect to human rights.

But thank you for acknowledging the why. The WHY for Israel is always because she requires the physical, actual safety of her people and her historical monuments and for basic human rights to worship.

 

[Sixties Fan]

How many Arab settlments have been created? No one has yet answered that. How many Arab settlers have come in from elsewhere to live in those communities? No one answered that. How many Jewish settlements have been created? How many Jews have come in from elsewhere to live in those communitees? I don't think we can talk about double standards with out answers.

The double standard is that when the Jews come from "elsewhere" its bad. But when Arabs come from "elsewhere" its good. BOTH people are seeking return to their historical homeland. How can it be "good" for one to return and "bad" for the other to return?

It is not a double standard. If Arabs came into the occupied territories from elsewhere to build new communities - it's not acceptable either. The region needs to be settled first or there needs to be equitable settling of both peoples.

Where do you get your nonsense from?

Arabs have invaded a lot of Asia and all of North Africa, and they are still occupying those areas over the indigenous people.

Arabs did come into Gaza and Israel and Judea and Samaria until 1948 and took over homes and lands belonging to Jews, AND built new communities. They continue to do that with the help of the EU and others who are funding the Arabs to take over land which would otherwise end up as part of Israel.

Arabs continue to just say that a land belongs to them, and they are usually just handed that land by Israel, instead of allowing the Jewish owners have it.

Jews have a much harder time proving that the land is theirs, even with the titles in their hands.

 

[Sixties Fan]

For a discussion we can really only go by what they say and do, and they specified "West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights" - if you have evidence that they want to "de-occupy" Israel proper - show me.

Are You kidding??!
This is the central activity of the organization, convince people that the Jewish nation has no right to exist, not one or two villages but ALL OF IT:
Israel's 1948 founding is 'occupation' in BDS resolution approved by student government - The College Fix

And that's before we even discuss the incitement to violence and openly antisemitic imagery used by the organization.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon

Now you are moving the goalposts.

No I am not. There is a level of socially inferior and Islam countries are 100x worse than Buddhist counties. False equivalency by you. Like Judaism and Christianity it is a religion of peace. Islam was founded by a warlord.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages and human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon they are better?

Thanks for providing more information though - you just hate Muslims right? If you knew anything about history you would know that no major religion is truly a religion of peace. It's never that simple.

Hate? No. Concern yes. Buddhist countries don’t kill you for drawing cartoons.

No. They just marry off kids and burn people of the wrong ethnicity alive in their homes and enslave trafficked humans. Stuff like that.

India has issues for sure but they don’t impose their views outside their country. It is one country. Islam is a majority in 53? All bad. ALL. Facts are not based on hate or love they are based on facts.

We are all getting away from the BDS issue.

 

[Shusha]

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages and human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries.

And yet, no widespread, international condemnation of them a la BDS. No permanent UN agenda item against them.

Why is that, do you suppose?

 

[Shusha]

It is not a double standard. If Arabs came into the occupied disputed territories from elsewhere to build new communities - it's not acceptable either. The region needs to be settled first or there needs to be equitable settling of both peoples.

Good. We agree. You've just admitted that BDS is discriminatory in its very core beliefs. Now, back to the topic of this thread -- what are we going to do about BDS' discriminatory beliefs?

 

[Sixties Fan]

How many Arab settlments have been created? No one has yet answered that. How many Arab settlers have come in from elsewhere to live in those communities? No one answered that. How many Jewish settlements have been created? How many Jews have come in from elsewhere to live in those communitees? I don't think we can talk about double standards with out answers.

The double standard is that when the Jews come from "elsewhere" its bad. But when Arabs come from "elsewhere" its good. BOTH people are seeking return to their historical homeland. How can it be "good" for one to return and "bad" for the other to return?

I beg to disagree.

The areas in dispute are historically Jewish.

When one says that the Arabs are seeking to return to their historical homeland, it cannot be viewed as true, as the land of Israel, any of the Mandate, was Never, Ever an Arab Homeland.

Arab Homeland is the Arabian Peninsula, and no other land they have conquered or moved into should be considered their homeland, as in "ancient homeland" which is what they Palestinians have been trying to make the world believe.

It is one thing to say that one's family has been in a place for generations, or even centuries, but their "historical ancient homeland" is a different matter for all indigenous people.

 

[Shusha]

How many Arab settlments have been created? No one has yet answered that. How many Arab settlers have come in from elsewhere to live in those communities? No one answered that. How many Jewish settlements have been created? How many Jews have come in from elsewhere to live in those communitees? I don't think we can talk about double standards with out answers.

The double standard is that when the Jews come from "elsewhere" its bad. But when Arabs come from "elsewhere" its good. BOTH people are seeking return to their historical homeland. How can it be "good" for one to return and "bad" for the other to return?

I beg to disagree.

The areas in dispute are historically Jewish.

When one says that the Arabs are seeking to return to their historical homeland, it cannot be viewed as true, as the land of Israel, any of the Mandate, was Never, Ever an Arab Homeland.

Arab Homeland is the Arabian Peninsula, and no other land they have conquered or moved into should be considered their homeland, as in "ancient homeland" which is what they Palestinians have been trying to make the world believe.

It is one thing to say that one's family has been in a place for generations, or even centuries, but their "historical ancient homeland" is a different matter for all indigenous people.

The areas in dispute are historically Jewish. Jews are THE (only) indigenous peoples there.

The areas in dispute are also historically Arab. Historically Arab due to conquest, invasion, colonization, displacement and ethnic cleansing, but historically Arab none-the-less. Can't unbreak those eggs.

What sets US apart from them (religiously, humanely, politically) is our ability to hold and reconcile multiple points of view and respect them all.

 

[Sixties Fan]

How many Arab settlments have been created? No one has yet answered that. How many Arab settlers have come in from elsewhere to live in those communities? No one answered that. How many Jewish settlements have been created? How many Jews have come in from elsewhere to live in those communitees? I don't think we can talk about double standards with out answers.

The double standard is that when the Jews come from "elsewhere" its bad. But when Arabs come from "elsewhere" its good. BOTH people are seeking return to their historical homeland. How can it be "good" for one to return and "bad" for the other to return?

I beg to disagree.

The areas in dispute are historically Jewish.

When one says that the Arabs are seeking to return to their historical homeland, it cannot be viewed as true, as the land of Israel, any of the Mandate, was Never, Ever an Arab Homeland.

Arab Homeland is the Arabian Peninsula, and no other land they have conquered or moved into should be considered their homeland, as in "ancient homeland" which is what they Palestinians have been trying to make the world believe.

It is one thing to say that one's family has been in a place for generations, or even centuries, but their "historical ancient homeland" is a different matter for all indigenous people.

The areas in dispute are historically Jewish. Jews are THE (only) indigenous peoples there.

The areas in dispute are also historically Arab. Historically Arab due to conquest, invasion, colonization, displacement and ethnic cleansing, but historically Arab none-the-less. Can't unbreak those eggs.

What sets US apart from them (religiously, humanely, politically) is our ability to hold and reconcile multiple points of view and respect them all.

I do not believe that, because Jews lived anywhere in the world for a long period of time (Jews in Mesopotamia for 2500 years for instance) that anyone in the world is ever going to be considering Iraq, etc as "historically Jewish" regardless of the fact that Jews were living in that part of the ME for as long as they did, which is longer than any Muslim conquest (Arab or otherwise ) might have been.

As I put it, the Americas are not "Historically European" regardless of which European country invaded, conquered, colonized, displaced or ethnically cleansed any and all of those continents for the past 500 years.

As far as I see it, it is exactly the same with the Jewish homeland.

Yes, the Jewish people more readily accept Arabs, Christians or Muslims, living amongst them in Israel in peace or giving up land as they already have, than Muslims (and even Christians) ever have, or will in the future.

The word historical, does have a precise meaning to me.

America may have been "historically" colonized by the British. But if the French had taken over, it would no more make it their historical homeland, than it has for the British, or what eventually became....Americans.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

How many Arab settlments have been created? No one has yet answered that. How many Arab settlers have come in from elsewhere to live in those communities? No one answered that. How many Jewish settlements have been created? How many Jews have come in from elsewhere to live in those communitees? I don't think we can talk about double standards with out answers.

The double standard is that when the Jews come from "elsewhere" its bad. But when Arabs come from "elsewhere" its good. BOTH people are seeking return to their historical homeland. How can it be "good" for one to return and "bad" for the other to return?

It is not a double standard. If Arabs came into the occupied territories from elsewhere to build new communities - it's not acceptable either. The region needs to be settled first or there needs to be equitable settling of both peoples.

What region? They were conquered and are free to go to the any 53 other countries.

 

[Coyote]

How many Arab settlments have been created? No one has yet answered that. How many Arab settlers have come in from elsewhere to live in those communities? No one answered that. How many Jewish settlements have been created? How many Jews have come in from elsewhere to live in those communitees? I don't think we can talk about double standards with out answers.

The double standard is that when the Jews come from "elsewhere" its bad. But when Arabs come from "elsewhere" its good. BOTH people are seeking return to their historical homeland. How can it be "good" for one to return and "bad" for the other to return?

It is not a double standard. If Arabs came into the occupied territories from elsewhere to build new communities - it's not acceptable either. The region needs to be settled first or there needs to be equitable settling of both peoples.

What region? They were conquered and are free to go to the any 53 other countries.

So you support expulsion?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

How many Arab settlments have been created? No one has yet answered that. How many Arab settlers have come in from elsewhere to live in those communities? No one answered that. How many Jewish settlements have been created? How many Jews have come in from elsewhere to live in those communitees? I don't think we can talk about double standards with out answers.

The double standard is that when the Jews come from "elsewhere" its bad. But when Arabs come from "elsewhere" its good. BOTH people are seeking return to their historical homeland. How can it be "good" for one to return and "bad" for the other to return?

It is not a double standard. If Arabs came into the occupied territories from elsewhere to build new communities - it's not acceptable either. The region needs to be settled first or there needs to be equitable settling of both peoples.

What region? They were conquered and are free to go to the any 53 other countries.

So you support expulsion?

100%

 

[Coyote]

I'm going to disagree a bit here, not because I particularly agree with BDS (it's frequent comparison's to apartheid are questionable, as is an insistence on right to return) - BUT, I went to their main webpage to see what they had to say about themselves. They don't call for a one state solution or any solution nor do they call for an end to Israel proper.

FAQs

The BDS movement aims to pressure Israel to respect international law by:


1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.


2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality.


3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194.


These are three basic rights without which the Palestinian people cannot exercise its inalienable right to self-determination.​

The BDS movement does not advocate for a particular solution to the conflict and does not call for either a “one state solution” or a “two state solution”. Instead, BDS focuses on the realization of basic rights and the implementation of international law.

[1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.]

They may not be telling people this BUT All of Israel is considered Arab land.

Arab Israelis have full rights, to vote, work, etc

So, 1 and 2 are kind of confusing for those who do not know what is really on the mind of the Arab leaders, who have made it very clear in their Charters, that their final goal is the destruction of Israel by any means available.

For a discussion we can really only go by what they say and do, and they specified "West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights" - if you have evidence that they want to "de-occupy" Israel proper - show me.

Are You kidding??!
This is the central activity of the organization, convince people that the Jewish nation has no right to exist, not one or two villages but ALL OF IT:
Israel's 1948 founding is 'occupation' in BDS resolution approved by student government - The College Fix

And that's before we even discuss the incitement to violence and openly antisemitic imagery used by the organization.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon

I'm being completely honest. I gave you relevent examples of other countries and other religions. If you can't accept that, it's not my honesty in question.

You are not. How many Buddhist countries approve overwhelmingly of murder over a cartoon? How
Many call for the genocide of Jews? This is silly.

Now you are moving the goalposts.

No I am not. There is a level of socially inferior and Islam countries are 100x worse than Buddhist counties. False equivalency by you. Like Judaism and Christianity it is a religion of peace. Islam was founded by a warlord.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages and human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon they are better?

Thanks for providing more information though - you just hate Muslims right? If you knew anything about history you would know that no major religion is truly a religion of peace. It's never that simple.

We do not have to like any of the Muslim or Christian people who have chosen to hate and oppress and kill Jews throughout history.

Judaism IS a religion of Peace. It does not seek to convert people by force, but only by choice.
Hinduism and many others also do not force people to convert.

Sometimes it is .....that simple.

Jews have been giving up land for peace.

Muslims have been taking land, and not giving peace in return. Just look at Arafat, Abbas, etc and what they really want, and how they have been going about doing it.
BDS is no different.

Actually...historically, when it was a regional power, wasn't Judaism a warrior religion? The most peaceful religions seem to be those who have never been a political power anywhere.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

[1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.]

They may not be telling people this BUT All of Israel is considered Arab land.

Arab Israelis have full rights, to vote, work, etc

So, 1 and 2 are kind of confusing for those who do not know what is really on the mind of the Arab leaders, who have made it very clear in their Charters, that their final goal is the destruction of Israel by any means available.

For a discussion we can really only go by what they say and do, and they specified "West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights" - if you have evidence that they want to "de-occupy" Israel proper - show me.

Are You kidding??!
This is the central activity of the organization, convince people that the Jewish nation has no right to exist, not one or two villages but ALL OF IT:
Israel's 1948 founding is 'occupation' in BDS resolution approved by student government - The College Fix

And that's before we even discuss the incitement to violence and openly antisemitic imagery used by the organization.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon

You are not. How many Buddhist countries approve overwhelmingly of murder over a cartoon? How
Many call for the genocide of Jews? This is silly.

Now you are moving the goalposts.

No I am not. There is a level of socially inferior and Islam countries are 100x worse than Buddhist counties. False equivalency by you. Like Judaism and Christianity it is a religion of peace. Islam was founded by a warlord.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages and human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon they are better?

Thanks for providing more information though - you just hate Muslims right? If you knew anything about history you would know that no major religion is truly a religion of peace. It's never that simple.

We do not have to like any of the Muslim or Christian people who have chosen to hate and oppress and kill Jews throughout history.

Judaism IS a religion of Peace. It does not seek to convert people by force, but only by choice.
Hinduism and many others also do not force people to convert.

Sometimes it is .....that simple.

Jews have been giving up land for peace.

Muslims have been taking land, and not giving peace in return. Just look at Arafat, Abbas, etc and what they really want, and how they have been going about doing it.
BDS is no different.

Actually...historically, when it was a regional power, wasn't Judaism a warrior religion? The most peaceful religions seem to be those who have never been a political power anywhere.

Moses was never a warlord. Neither was Abraham. Neither was Jesus. Mo was.

 

[Coyote]

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages and human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries.

And yet, no widespread, international condemnation of them a la BDS. No permanent UN agenda item against them.

Why is that, do you suppose?

Actually...there are in regards to Buddhist Myanmar, but even then it recieves far less popular attention.

Israel/Palestine receives a lot of attention for two reasons - Jews and Jews. It receives positive attention because the Jews have been long standing historic victims of other nation's intolerance, violence and genocide. It receives negative attention because of anti-semitism and the attachment of double standards..

Buddhist Myanmar recieves far less attention, it's victims are Muslim and in the west, Muslims are the acceptable scapegoat and blamed for their own persecution in countries where they are a minority. The Buddhist majority is twisted into the victim. But right now, it's by far the worse conflict, with a greater potential for humanitarian disaster unfolding and less potential for a resolution. Myanmar is not Israel, with it's democratic values and, despite very real problems - a diverse and pluralistic society with a strong humanitarian culture. Myanmar has and will continue to commit genocide. Israel has not and will not imo.

 

[Shusha]

Actually...there are in regards to Buddhist Myanmar, but even then it recieves far less popular attention.

Would you have a link to that. Because when I google "boycott Myanmar" I get a bunch of travel sites arguing the pros and cons of travel boycotts (1.4 million results). I don't see a single organization dedicated to boycotting Myanmar for humanitarian causes.

Contrast that to "boycott Israel" which leads with a Wiki article, then with the BDS organization and carries on from there (18 million results).

There are dozens of countries and their governments officially boycotting Israel. I can't find one which boycotts Myanmar.

There is no "permanent agenda item" for ANY country except Israel.

So...ummmm

 

[Shusha]

Actually...historically, when it was a regional power, wasn't Judaism a warrior religion? The most peaceful religions seem to be those who have never been a political power anywhere.

No. Judaism is not and was not ever a "warrior religion". There is nothing in Jewish theology that would fall into that category. Which religions would you consider "peaceful" out of curiosity?

 

[Sixties Fan]

[1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.]

They may not be telling people this BUT All of Israel is considered Arab land.

Arab Israelis have full rights, to vote, work, etc

So, 1 and 2 are kind of confusing for those who do not know what is really on the mind of the Arab leaders, who have made it very clear in their Charters, that their final goal is the destruction of Israel by any means available.

For a discussion we can really only go by what they say and do, and they specified "West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights" - if you have evidence that they want to "de-occupy" Israel proper - show me.

Are You kidding??!
This is the central activity of the organization, convince people that the Jewish nation has no right to exist, not one or two villages but ALL OF IT:
Israel's 1948 founding is 'occupation' in BDS resolution approved by student government - The College Fix

And that's before we even discuss the incitement to violence and openly antisemitic imagery used by the organization.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon

You are not. How many Buddhist countries approve overwhelmingly of murder over a cartoon? How
Many call for the genocide of Jews? This is silly.

Now you are moving the goalposts.

No I am not. There is a level of socially inferior and Islam countries are 100x worse than Buddhist counties. False equivalency by you. Like Judaism and Christianity it is a religion of peace. Islam was founded by a warlord.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages and human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon they are better?

Thanks for providing more information though - you just hate Muslims right? If you knew anything about history you would know that no major religion is truly a religion of peace. It's never that simple.

We do not have to like any of the Muslim or Christian people who have chosen to hate and oppress and kill Jews throughout history.

Judaism IS a religion of Peace. It does not seek to convert people by force, but only by choice.
Hinduism and many others also do not force people to convert.

Sometimes it is .....that simple.

Jews have been giving up land for peace.

Muslims have been taking land, and not giving peace in return. Just look at Arafat, Abbas, etc and what they really want, and how they have been going about doing it.
BDS is no different.

Actually...historically, when it was a regional power, wasn't Judaism a warrior religion? The most peaceful religions seem to be those who have never been a political power anywhere.

With David it may have been, but no oppression, ethnic cleansing, etc. It was mainly defending what became the borders of the Nation of Israel, as all other nations would be doing. Solomon kept peace by marrying into the other Empires. No wars that I can recall at this moment. Eventually there was loss and regaining of some of the land by having to fight away the Greeks and the Persians, and the Romans.

 

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I do not believe that, because Jews lived anywhere in the world for a long period of time (Jews in Mesopotamia for 2500 years for instance) that anyone in the world is ever going to be considering Iraq, etc as "historically Jewish" regardless of the fact that Jews were living in that part of the ME for as long as they did, which is longer than any Muslim conquest (Arab or otherwise ) might have been.

As I put it, the Americas are not "Historically European" regardless of which European country invaded, conquered, colonized, displaced or ethnically cleansed any and all of those continents for the past 500 years.

As far as I see it, it is exactly the same with the Jewish homeland.

Yes, the Jewish people more readily accept Arabs, Christians or Muslims, living amongst them in Israel in peace or giving up land as they already have, than Muslims (and even Christians) ever have, or will in the future.

The word historical, does have a precise meaning to me.

America may have been "historically" colonized by the British. But if the French had taken over, it would no more make it their historical homeland, than it has for the British, or what eventually became....Americans.

You make a fair and reasonable point. One could argue that there are many places in the world which are "historically Jewish". One might argue that in a thousand years France will be "historically Arab Muslim".

But what does one DO with that?