Education Dept. : BDS activity against Israel will be defined as anti-Semitism

[Coyote]

I would disagree with the second - I suspect they too would fear for their lives.

Oh come on. There are a million Arab Israelis. They don't fear for their lives.

Israel has the power to squash them and does little to restrict settler violence. Numbers matter little in comparison to power.

Settler violence on Arabs is not sanctioned by Israel, at all.

On the other hand, take a look on what Hamas and others are doing in Gaza and Area C and Jerusalem, inciting any new possible ways to terrorize or kill Jews.

What does one think they have been doing since March with the March of Return?

And, yes, a ONE State solution where Muslims are the only ones in power.....is the ultimate solution they seek. Always has been

Then show me where they state that.

Google the Hamas Charter. Or the PLO charter. Or the Fatah charter.

Here is a hint:

Belgium funded school formerly named after terrorist murderer Dalal Mughrabi changes name and logo – logo now includes PA map presenting all of Israel as “Palestine”
Source: Facebook page of the Dalal Mughrabi Beit Awwa Coed Elementary School, Aug. 25, 2018

Logo posted on the Facebook page of the Dalal Mughrabi Coed School

The name of the Facebook page has not been changed even though the school was officially renamed The Belgian School – Tala’ei Al-Janoub instead of the Dalal Mughrabi Coed School in August 2018. The Facebook page still features the name of terrorist Dalal Mughrabi, who led the murder of 37, 12 of them children.

The school's new logo (above right) contains the PA map of "Palestine" that presents all of Israel as "Palestine" together with the PA areas, covered by a Palestinian flag, an open book at the bottom of the map, and to its right, a face with a keffiya (Arab headdress) around it. At the top is the new name of the school: "The Belgian School – Tala’ei Al-Janoub." The school's previous logo (above left), containing a picture of terrorist Dalal Mughrabi, still appears in the photo album associated with the Facebook page as of Aug. 29, 2018.
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Oslo mayor awarded with “Jibril Rajoub” plaque with map erasing Israel on it
Source: Official PA daily, Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Aug. 3, 2018

Headline: “The Al-Quds Girls team gave the mayor of Oslo the Rajoub Plaque”

The article includes a picture of Al-Quds Girls team administrative manager Khitam Mahmoud giving Oslo Mayor Marianne Borgen the “Jibril Rajoub Plaque,” which includes the PA map of “Palestine” that presents all of Israel as “Palestine” together with the PA areas, and on top of it what appears to be the Al-Aqsa Mosque and a Palestinian flag.

"Palestine" replaces Israel | PMW

We are talking about BDS, not charters - BDS. Where do they say they want to erase Israel?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

"My Muslim friends here in the US. Great guys"



....is this what their wives look like? seriously.






i know the same muslims you know.




"great guys."



ohhhhhhh yeah.......

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They're.Grrrrrrrrrreeaat !

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What does that have to do with anything?

Why do you always answer questions with questions. Can we agree that Islam is indeed the "mother load of bad ideas"?

Because that post asked me no questions and made little sense in relation to the topic - hence my question - what does it have to do with the discussion? Member can always choose to actually converse should he want to instead of posting pictures of women in burkhas which is rarely worn by Palestinian women.

No. Because you are essentially broadbrushing an entire religion and on top of that - providing erroneous information. You claimed in historical Western Europe women were treated like queens. That is laughable. All religions in their conservative sects and history have treated women like shit and like property. Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism - but you ignore that. Now I will agree that in the modern world, in many countries Islam is more conservative, more restrictive and much in need of enlightenment but that is also tied to the culture. Muslims in America for example, are no different than their Christian counterparts but that is ignored in the broad brushing and it is in that where I have an issue. Are you questions sufficiently answered?

Nope. Why do you think in the modern world every majority Muslim country is socially backwards where compared to Western nations? Coincidence or is that ideology extremely flawed? Do tell.

Most complex problems do not have simple answers - that is one of them. Why is every majority Buddhist country socially backwards compared to Western nations? Why is every majority Hindu country socially backwards compared to Western nations? Why are Christian majority countries in Africa socially backwards compared to Western nations?

Religion? Something else? I vote for something else since it's clearly not just Islam.

You are just not being honest. Islam is not just a religion because it is an ideology too. 53+ and all backwards even compared to Israel.

 

[Coyote]

Actually, I take that back. We should include Israel as well, since BDS calls for Arab return to Israel "proper".

That would confuse things since few think that Israel proper is in dispute.

BDS does. Gaza does (March of Return ring a bell?)

If Jews should not be permitted to move to Arab Palestine, then Arabs should not be permitted to move to Israel.

Actually...they are heavily restricted from doing so...

Which is the RIGHT and PROPER thing to do, according to those who would restrict Jews from certain places. The double standard occurs when one people demands presence while the other people is restricted in presence. Which do you think it SHOULD be? And then WHY isn't it?

Shusha - I'm going to say the same thing I said to Sixties - I keep answering questions. But mine are not being answered.

 

[Coyote]

What does that have to do with anything?

Why do you always answer questions with questions. Can we agree that Islam is indeed the "mother load of bad ideas"?

Because that post asked me no questions and made little sense in relation to the topic - hence my question - what does it have to do with the discussion? Member can always choose to actually converse should he want to instead of posting pictures of women in burkhas which is rarely worn by Palestinian women.

No. Because you are essentially broadbrushing an entire religion and on top of that - providing erroneous information. You claimed in historical Western Europe women were treated like queens. That is laughable. All religions in their conservative sects and history have treated women like shit and like property. Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism - but you ignore that. Now I will agree that in the modern world, in many countries Islam is more conservative, more restrictive and much in need of enlightenment but that is also tied to the culture. Muslims in America for example, are no different than their Christian counterparts but that is ignored in the broad brushing and it is in that where I have an issue. Are you questions sufficiently answered?

Nope. Why do you think in the modern world every majority Muslim country is socially backwards where compared to Western nations? Coincidence or is that ideology extremely flawed? Do tell.

Most complex problems do not have simple answers - that is one of them. Why is every majority Buddhist country socially backwards compared to Western nations? Why is every majority Hindu country socially backwards compared to Western nations? Why are Christian majority countries in Africa socially backwards compared to Western nations?

Religion? Something else? I vote for something else since it's clearly not just Islam.

You are just not being honest. Islam is not just a religion because it is an ideology too. 53+ and all backwards even compared to Israel.

I'm being completely honest. I gave you relevent examples of other countries and other religions. Every single Buddhist majority and Hindu majority nation is socially backwards. If you can't accept that, it's not my honesty in question.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I would disagree with the second - I suspect they too would fear for their lives.

Oh come on. There are a million Arab Israelis. They don't fear for their lives.

Israel has the power to squash them and does little to restrict settler violence. Numbers matter little in comparison to power.

Settler violence on Arabs is not sanctioned by Israel, at all.

On the other hand, take a look on what Hamas and others are doing in Gaza and Area C and Jerusalem, inciting any new possible ways to terrorize or kill Jews.

What does one think they have been doing since March with the March of Return?

And, yes, a ONE State solution where Muslims are the only ones in power.....is the ultimate solution they seek. Always has been

It's not sanctioned but it OCCURS and little is done to prevent it or seek justice compared to violence on settlers. This is a long standing problem, and Israel only recently awoke to the fact that settler violence was potentially an issue to take seriously. Despite that, they still tend to be handled with kid gloves because of the political clout they carry.

I do find it odd that until recently the High Court in Israel was very pro Arabs, giving everything to the Arabs, land, etc. Not allowing Jews to even go to the Temple Mount as now demanded by the Muslims, never mind praying there.

So, in Israel, everything is against the Arabs, and for the Jews, according to you.

 

[rylah]

[ What BDS is all about. Please tell me that it is only about Israel, and that Russians, Turks, British, go through the same thing for occupying another people's land. Although, of course, is not "occupying" any other people's land]


The “three D” test is a definition of antisemitism crafted by Natan Sharansky, the former head of the Jewish Agency. In 2004, Sharansky outlined what he called “new antisemitism”.

Demonization, he wrote, is when Israel’s actions are blown out of all sensible proportion and comparisons are made, for example, between Israelis and Nazis, and between Palestinian refugee camps and Auschwitz. Double standard is when criticism of Israel is applied selectively and the Jewish state is singled out, for example, by the United Nations. Delegitimization, Sharansky wrote, is when Israel’s fundamental right to exist is denied.

The BDS campaign does not call for the boycott and divestment from Israel because it wants peace. It calls for a one-state solution, one which BDS supporters envisage will one day end the Zionist enterprise that led 70 years ago to the establishment of the world’s only Jewish state.

(full article online)

New antisemitism

I'm going to disagree a bit here, not because I particularly agree with BDS (it's frequent comparison's to apartheid are questionable, as is an insistence on right to return) - BUT, I went to their main webpage to see what they had to say about themselves. They don't call for a one state solution or any solution nor do they call for an end to Israel proper.

FAQs

The BDS movement aims to pressure Israel to respect international law by:


1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.


2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality.


3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194.


These are three basic rights without which the Palestinian people cannot exercise its inalienable right to self-determination.​

The BDS movement does not advocate for a particular solution to the conflict and does not call for either a “one state solution” or a “two state solution”. Instead, BDS focuses on the realization of basic rights and the implementation of international law.

[1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.]

They may not be telling people this BUT All of Israel is considered Arab land.

Arab Israelis have full rights, to vote, work, etc

So, 1 and 2 are kind of confusing for those who do not know what is really on the mind of the Arab leaders, who have made it very clear in their Charters, that their final goal is the destruction of Israel by any means available.

For a discussion we can really only go by what they say and do, and they specified "West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights" - if you have evidence that they want to "de-occupy" Israel proper - show me.

Are You kidding??!
This is the central activity of the organization, convince people that the Jewish nation has no right to exist, not one or two villages but ALL OF IT:
Israel's 1948 founding is 'occupation' in BDS resolution approved by student government - The College Fix

And that's before we even discuss the incitement to violence and openly antisemitic imagery used by the organization.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why do you always answer questions with questions. Can we agree that Islam is indeed the "mother load of bad ideas"?

Because that post asked me no questions and made little sense in relation to the topic - hence my question - what does it have to do with the discussion? Member can always choose to actually converse should he want to instead of posting pictures of women in burkhas which is rarely worn by Palestinian women.

No. Because you are essentially broadbrushing an entire religion and on top of that - providing erroneous information. You claimed in historical Western Europe women were treated like queens. That is laughable. All religions in their conservative sects and history have treated women like shit and like property. Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism - but you ignore that. Now I will agree that in the modern world, in many countries Islam is more conservative, more restrictive and much in need of enlightenment but that is also tied to the culture. Muslims in America for example, are no different than their Christian counterparts but that is ignored in the broad brushing and it is in that where I have an issue. Are you questions sufficiently answered?

Nope. Why do you think in the modern world every majority Muslim country is socially backwards where compared to Western nations? Coincidence or is that ideology extremely flawed? Do tell.

Most complex problems do not have simple answers - that is one of them. Why is every majority Buddhist country socially backwards compared to Western nations? Why is every majority Hindu country socially backwards compared to Western nations? Why are Christian majority countries in Africa socially backwards compared to Western nations?

Religion? Something else? I vote for something else since it's clearly not just Islam.

You are just not being honest. Islam is not just a religion because it is an ideology too. 53+ and all backwards even compared to Israel.

I'm being completely honest. I gave you relevent examples of other countries and other religions. If you can't accept that, it's not my honesty in question.

You are not. How many Buddhist countries approve overwhelmingly of murder over a cartoon? How
Many call for the genocide of Jews? This is silly.

 

[Coyote]

Because that post asked me no questions and made little sense in relation to the topic - hence my question - what does it have to do with the discussion? Member can always choose to actually converse should he want to instead of posting pictures of women in burkhas which is rarely worn by Palestinian women.

No. Because you are essentially broadbrushing an entire religion and on top of that - providing erroneous information. You claimed in historical Western Europe women were treated like queens. That is laughable. All religions in their conservative sects and history have treated women like shit and like property. Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism - but you ignore that. Now I will agree that in the modern world, in many countries Islam is more conservative, more restrictive and much in need of enlightenment but that is also tied to the culture. Muslims in America for example, are no different than their Christian counterparts but that is ignored in the broad brushing and it is in that where I have an issue. Are you questions sufficiently answered?

Nope. Why do you think in the modern world every majority Muslim country is socially backwards where compared to Western nations? Coincidence or is that ideology extremely flawed? Do tell.

Most complex problems do not have simple answers - that is one of them. Why is every majority Buddhist country socially backwards compared to Western nations? Why is every majority Hindu country socially backwards compared to Western nations? Why are Christian majority countries in Africa socially backwards compared to Western nations?

Religion? Something else? I vote for something else since it's clearly not just Islam.

You are just not being honest. Islam is not just a religion because it is an ideology too. 53+ and all backwards even compared to Israel.

I'm being completely honest. I gave you relevent examples of other countries and other religions. If you can't accept that, it's not my honesty in question.

You are not. How many Buddhist countries approve overwhelmingly of murder over a cartoon? How
Many call for the genocide of Jews? This is silly.

Now you are moving the goalposts from socially backwards to specific items.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Nope. Why do you think in the modern world every majority Muslim country is socially backwards where compared to Western nations? Coincidence or is that ideology extremely flawed? Do tell.

Most complex problems do not have simple answers - that is one of them. Why is every majority Buddhist country socially backwards compared to Western nations? Why is every majority Hindu country socially backwards compared to Western nations? Why are Christian majority countries in Africa socially backwards compared to Western nations?

Religion? Something else? I vote for something else since it's clearly not just Islam.

You are just not being honest. Islam is not just a religion because it is an ideology too. 53+ and all backwards even compared to Israel.

I'm being completely honest. I gave you relevent examples of other countries and other religions. If you can't accept that, it's not my honesty in question.

You are not. How many Buddhist countries approve overwhelmingly of murder over a cartoon? How
Many call for the genocide of Jews? This is silly.

Now you are moving the goalposts.

No I am not. There is a level of socially inferior and Islam countries are 100x worse than Buddhist counties. False equivalency by you. Like Judaism and Christianity it is a religion of peace. Islam was founded by a warlord.

 

[Shusha]

Actually, I take that back. We should include Israel as well, since BDS calls for Arab return to Israel "proper".

That would confuse things since few think that Israel proper is in dispute.

BDS does. Gaza does (March of Return ring a bell?)

If Jews should not be permitted to move to Arab Palestine, then Arabs should not be permitted to move to Israel.

Actually...they are heavily restricted from doing so...

Which is the RIGHT and PROPER thing to do, according to those who would restrict Jews from certain places. The double standard occurs when one people demands presence while the other people is restricted in presence. Which do you think it SHOULD be? And then WHY isn't it?

Shusha - I'm going to say the same thing I said to Sixties - I keep answering questions. But mine are not being answered.

Its because you are approaching all the justifications without looking deeper into the WHY.

So you say Arabs are restricted from moving from Israel. (Not true, btw.) And I could easily address that. But the crux of all of this is WHY.

WHY is Israel pursuing Jerusalem and not Gaza?

 

[Sixties Fan]

I would disagree with the second - I suspect they too would fear for their lives.

Oh come on. There are a million Arab Israelis. They don't fear for their lives.

Israel has the power to squash them and does little to restrict settler violence. Numbers matter little in comparison to power.

Settler violence on Arabs is not sanctioned by Israel, at all.

On the other hand, take a look on what Hamas and others are doing in Gaza and Area C and Jerusalem, inciting any new possible ways to terrorize or kill Jews.

What does one think they have been doing since March with the March of Return?

And, yes, a ONE State solution where Muslims are the only ones in power.....is the ultimate solution they seek. Always has been

It's not sanctioned but it OCCURS and little is done to prevent it or seek justice compared to violence on settlers. This is a long standing problem, and Israel only recently awoke to the fact that settler violence was potentially an issue to take seriously. Despite that, they still tend to be handled with kid gloves because of the political clout they carry.

One more thing:

The number of Jews attacking Arabs in Israel or in Judea and Samaria, would be considered about 1% of the number of Muslims attacking Jews in the same areas.

And no, Jews do not get away with attacking, robbing or murdering Arabs in those areas.

Political clout?
Some extremist Jews, which is what you are really talking about, attack Arabs because they may have been attacked themselves, or because some of them lose it after the constant attacks on them, or even because they see those Arabs as not having the right to be on previously owned Jewish land (do, please remember that ALL JEWS were expelled from Judea and Samaria from their homes, lands and businesses in 1948) and you call Israel as being "soft" on them?

I will not put it as a question.

You Really do not see the difference between the daily incitement and attacks on Jews from Arabs in Gaza or from Arabs in Judea and Samaria and even those living in Israel .

That is a fact.

(Check what is happening on the border with Gaza today, or any other day)

 

[Sixties Fan]

Actually, I take that back. We should include Israel as well, since BDS calls for Arab return to Israel "proper".

That would confuse things since few think that Israel proper is in dispute.

BDS does. Gaza does (March of Return ring a bell?)

If Jews should not be permitted to move to Arab Palestine, then Arabs should not be permitted to move to Israel.

Actually...they are heavily restricted from doing so...

Finish that sentence. Who is being restricted?

Arabs from moving into Israel.

As Susha put it, not true.

And no, Israel, like any other country, will not allow people who want to see to its destruction to move there.
There are plenty of those in Israel already, just check the Knesset and the Arab Joint.

 

[Shusha]

I said numbers matter little.

Oops. My bad. My point stands though.

 

[Coyote]

[ What BDS is all about. Please tell me that it is only about Israel, and that Russians, Turks, British, go through the same thing for occupying another people's land. Although, of course, is not "occupying" any other people's land]


The “three D” test is a definition of antisemitism crafted by Natan Sharansky, the former head of the Jewish Agency. In 2004, Sharansky outlined what he called “new antisemitism”.

Demonization, he wrote, is when Israel’s actions are blown out of all sensible proportion and comparisons are made, for example, between Israelis and Nazis, and between Palestinian refugee camps and Auschwitz. Double standard is when criticism of Israel is applied selectively and the Jewish state is singled out, for example, by the United Nations. Delegitimization, Sharansky wrote, is when Israel’s fundamental right to exist is denied.

The BDS campaign does not call for the boycott and divestment from Israel because it wants peace. It calls for a one-state solution, one which BDS supporters envisage will one day end the Zionist enterprise that led 70 years ago to the establishment of the world’s only Jewish state.

(full article online)

New antisemitism

I'm going to disagree a bit here, not because I particularly agree with BDS (it's frequent comparison's to apartheid are questionable, as is an insistence on right to return) - BUT, I went to their main webpage to see what they had to say about themselves. They don't call for a one state solution or any solution nor do they call for an end to Israel proper.

FAQs

The BDS movement aims to pressure Israel to respect international law by:


1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.


2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality.


3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194.


These are three basic rights without which the Palestinian people cannot exercise its inalienable right to self-determination.​

The BDS movement does not advocate for a particular solution to the conflict and does not call for either a “one state solution” or a “two state solution”. Instead, BDS focuses on the realization of basic rights and the implementation of international law.

[1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.]

They may not be telling people this BUT All of Israel is considered Arab land.

Arab Israelis have full rights, to vote, work, etc

So, 1 and 2 are kind of confusing for those who do not know what is really on the mind of the Arab leaders, who have made it very clear in their Charters, that their final goal is the destruction of Israel by any means available.

For a discussion we can really only go by what they say and do, and they specified "West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights" - if you have evidence that they want to "de-occupy" Israel proper - show me.

Are You kidding??!
This is the central activity of the organization, convince people that the Jewish nation has no right to exist, not one or two villages but ALL OF IT:
Israel's 1948 founding is 'occupation' in BDS resolution approved by student government - The College Fix

And that's before we even discuss the incitement to violence and openly antisemitic imagery used by the organization.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon

Most complex problems do not have simple answers - that is one of them. Why is every majority Buddhist country socially backwards compared to Western nations? Why is every majority Hindu country socially backwards compared to Western nations? Why are Christian majority countries in Africa socially backwards compared to Western nations?

Religion? Something else? I vote for something else since it's clearly not just Islam.

You are just not being honest. Islam is not just a religion because it is an ideology too. 53+ and all backwards even compared to Israel.

I'm being completely honest. I gave you relevent examples of other countries and other religions. If you can't accept that, it's not my honesty in question.

You are not. How many Buddhist countries approve overwhelmingly of murder over a cartoon? How
Many call for the genocide of Jews? This is silly.

Now you are moving the goalposts.

No I am not. There is a level of socially inferior and Islam countries are 100x worse than Buddhist counties. False equivalency by you. Like Judaism and Christianity it is a religion of peace. Islam was founded by a warlord.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages and human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon they are better?

Thanks for providing more information though - you just hate Muslims right? If you knew anything about history you would know that no major religion is truly a religion of peace. It's never that simple.

 

[Coyote]

I would disagree with the second - I suspect they too would fear for their lives.

Oh come on. There are a million Arab Israelis. They don't fear for their lives.

Israel has the power to squash them and does little to restrict settler violence. Numbers matter little in comparison to power.

Settler violence on Arabs is not sanctioned by Israel, at all.

On the other hand, take a look on what Hamas and others are doing in Gaza and Area C and Jerusalem, inciting any new possible ways to terrorize or kill Jews.

What does one think they have been doing since March with the March of Return?

And, yes, a ONE State solution where Muslims are the only ones in power.....is the ultimate solution they seek. Always has been

It's not sanctioned but it OCCURS and little is done to prevent it or seek justice compared to violence on settlers. This is a long standing problem, and Israel only recently awoke to the fact that settler violence was potentially an issue to take seriously. Despite that, they still tend to be handled with kid gloves because of the political clout they carry.

I do find it odd that until recently the High Court in Israel was very pro Arabs, giving everything to the Arabs, land, etc. Not allowing Jews to even go to the Temple Mount as now demanded by the Muslims, never mind praying there.

So, in Israel, everything is against the Arabs, and for the Jews, according to you.

I never simplify it into "everything" is one or the other. So speak for YOURSELF not me.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

[ What BDS is all about. Please tell me that it is only about Israel, and that Russians, Turks, British, go through the same thing for occupying another people's land. Although, of course, is not "occupying" any other people's land]


The “three D” test is a definition of antisemitism crafted by Natan Sharansky, the former head of the Jewish Agency. In 2004, Sharansky outlined what he called “new antisemitism”.

Demonization, he wrote, is when Israel’s actions are blown out of all sensible proportion and comparisons are made, for example, between Israelis and Nazis, and between Palestinian refugee camps and Auschwitz. Double standard is when criticism of Israel is applied selectively and the Jewish state is singled out, for example, by the United Nations. Delegitimization, Sharansky wrote, is when Israel’s fundamental right to exist is denied.

The BDS campaign does not call for the boycott and divestment from Israel because it wants peace. It calls for a one-state solution, one which BDS supporters envisage will one day end the Zionist enterprise that led 70 years ago to the establishment of the world’s only Jewish state.

(full article online)

New antisemitism

I'm going to disagree a bit here, not because I particularly agree with BDS (it's frequent comparison's to apartheid are questionable, as is an insistence on right to return) - BUT, I went to their main webpage to see what they had to say about themselves. They don't call for a one state solution or any solution nor do they call for an end to Israel proper.

FAQs

The BDS movement aims to pressure Israel to respect international law by:


1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.


2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality.


3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194.


These are three basic rights without which the Palestinian people cannot exercise its inalienable right to self-determination.​

The BDS movement does not advocate for a particular solution to the conflict and does not call for either a “one state solution” or a “two state solution”. Instead, BDS focuses on the realization of basic rights and the implementation of international law.

[1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.]

They may not be telling people this BUT All of Israel is considered Arab land.

Arab Israelis have full rights, to vote, work, etc

So, 1 and 2 are kind of confusing for those who do not know what is really on the mind of the Arab leaders, who have made it very clear in their Charters, that their final goal is the destruction of Israel by any means available.

For a discussion we can really only go by what they say and do, and they specified "West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights" - if you have evidence that they want to "de-occupy" Israel proper - show me.

Are You kidding??!
This is the central activity of the organization, convince people that the Jewish nation has no right to exist, not one or two villages but ALL OF IT:
Israel's 1948 founding is 'occupation' in BDS resolution approved by student government - The College Fix

And that's before we even discuss the incitement to violence and openly antisemitic imagery used by the organization.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon

You are just not being honest. Islam is not just a religion because it is an ideology too. 53+ and all backwards even compared to Israel.

I'm being completely honest. I gave you relevent examples of other countries and other religions. If you can't accept that, it's not my honesty in question.

You are not. How many Buddhist countries approve overwhelmingly of murder over a cartoon? How
Many call for the genocide of Jews? This is silly.

Now you are moving the goalposts.

No I am not. There is a level of socially inferior and Islam countries are 100x worse than Buddhist counties. False equivalency by you. Like Judaism and Christianity it is a religion of peace. Islam was founded by a warlord.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages and human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon they are better?

Thanks for providing more information though - you just hate Muslims right? If you knew anything about history you would know that no major religion is truly a religion of peace. It's never that simple.

Hate? No. Concern yes. Buddhist countries don’t kill you for drawing cartoons.

 

[Coyote]

That would confuse things since few think that Israel proper is in dispute.

BDS does. Gaza does (March of Return ring a bell?)

If Jews should not be permitted to move to Arab Palestine, then Arabs should not be permitted to move to Israel.

Actually...they are heavily restricted from doing so...

Which is the RIGHT and PROPER thing to do, according to those who would restrict Jews from certain places. The double standard occurs when one people demands presence while the other people is restricted in presence. Which do you think it SHOULD be? And then WHY isn't it?

Shusha - I'm going to say the same thing I said to Sixties - I keep answering questions. But mine are not being answered.

Its because you are approaching all the justifications without looking deeper into the WHY.

So you say Arabs are restricted from moving from Israel. (Not true, btw.) And I could easily address that. But the crux of all of this is WHY.

WHY is Israel pursuing Jerusalem and not Gaza?

Pragmatism in part. Gaza is a tiger by the tail, and maintaining it was a political and economic liability.

Jerusalem has been claimed in it's entirety by Israel from the beginning. As to the why behind it - it's the historical and religious center of the Jewish people. I don't dispute that. But more recent history has created conflict with that claim. I also don't dispute that Israel is a better steward of the heritage and preservation of it's sites. But manipulating things to dilute or disenfranchise resident populations is not right either. Nor is insisting that the Palestinians MUST negotiate (as oppose to going to the UN) while then taking, with American support, Jerusalem in entirety WITHOUT negotiation - that doesn't seem right in my opinion.

That is the why.

 

[Shusha]

How many Arab settlments have been created? No one has yet answered that. How many Arab settlers have come in from elsewhere to live in those communities? No one answered that. How many Jewish settlements have been created? How many Jews have come in from elsewhere to live in those communitees? I don't think we can talk about double standards with out answers.

The double standard is that when the Jews come from "elsewhere" its bad. But when Arabs come from "elsewhere" its good. BOTH people are seeking return to their historical homeland. How can it be "good" for one to return and "bad" for the other to return?

 

[Coyote]

I'm going to disagree a bit here, not because I particularly agree with BDS (it's frequent comparison's to apartheid are questionable, as is an insistence on right to return) - BUT, I went to their main webpage to see what they had to say about themselves. They don't call for a one state solution or any solution nor do they call for an end to Israel proper.

FAQs

The BDS movement aims to pressure Israel to respect international law by:


1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.


2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality.


3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194.


These are three basic rights without which the Palestinian people cannot exercise its inalienable right to self-determination.​

The BDS movement does not advocate for a particular solution to the conflict and does not call for either a “one state solution” or a “two state solution”. Instead, BDS focuses on the realization of basic rights and the implementation of international law.

[1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall
International law recognises the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights as occupied by Israel.]

They may not be telling people this BUT All of Israel is considered Arab land.

Arab Israelis have full rights, to vote, work, etc

So, 1 and 2 are kind of confusing for those who do not know what is really on the mind of the Arab leaders, who have made it very clear in their Charters, that their final goal is the destruction of Israel by any means available.

For a discussion we can really only go by what they say and do, and they specified "West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Syrian Golan Heights" - if you have evidence that they want to "de-occupy" Israel proper - show me.

Are You kidding??!
This is the central activity of the organization, convince people that the Jewish nation has no right to exist, not one or two villages but ALL OF IT:
Israel's 1948 founding is 'occupation' in BDS resolution approved by student government - The College Fix

And that's before we even discuss the incitement to violence and openly antisemitic imagery used by the organization.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon

I'm being completely honest. I gave you relevent examples of other countries and other religions. If you can't accept that, it's not my honesty in question.

You are not. How many Buddhist countries approve overwhelmingly of murder over a cartoon? How
Many call for the genocide of Jews? This is silly.

Now you are moving the goalposts.

No I am not. There is a level of socially inferior and Islam countries are 100x worse than Buddhist counties. False equivalency by you. Like Judaism and Christianity it is a religion of peace. Islam was founded by a warlord.

We have Buddhist countries actively committing genocide in horrific ways, we have Buddhist countries among those with the highest rates of child marriages and human trafficking. Gender equality and human rights are a joke in those countries. So because they don't blow up over a cartoon they are better?

Thanks for providing more information though - you just hate Muslims right? If you knew anything about history you would know that no major religion is truly a religion of peace. It's never that simple.

Hate? No. Concern yes. Buddhist countries don’t kill you for drawing cartoons.

No. They just marry off kids and burn people of the wrong ethnicity alive in their homes and enslave trafficked humans. Stuff like that.

 

[Coyote]

How many Arab settlments have been created? No one has yet answered that. How many Arab settlers have come in from elsewhere to live in those communities? No one answered that. How many Jewish settlements have been created? How many Jews have come in from elsewhere to live in those communitees? I don't think we can talk about double standards with out answers.

The double standard is that when the Jews come from "elsewhere" its bad. But when Arabs come from "elsewhere" its good. BOTH people are seeking return to their historical homeland. How can it be "good" for one to return and "bad" for the other to return?

It is not a double standard. If Arabs came into the occupied territories from elsewhere to build new communities - it's not acceptable either. The region needs to be settled first or there needs to be equitable settling of both peoples.