Easy To Convince The Uneducated

[alang1216]

Let's check.....

Did Hussein tell illegal aliens "When you vote, you're a citizen yourself" ???

Yup.

Nope. He actually didn't.

he kinda did.

If you watch an unedited video he is not telling illegal aliens to vote but telling naturalized citizens to exercise their rights as a citizen.

Third lie in a row......


Here I go again:

She says 'I' after making clear that she is speaking for illegal aliens.









Transcript:



RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting.

[And that is who she is speaking for!]

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
[Who would come for legal citizens voting?????????]
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself.

[Just like you.....a bald-faced liar!]

And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.

[Meaning: 'Go ahead and vote....no one will be the wiser!']



The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

[Meaning, I guess....if you are living with lots of other illegals...well, heck, at least some of you should go vote! After all....Trump is trying to get rid of you illegals!]

It was an interview, not a pre-written speech so it is hardly surprising there are parts that are awkward but this video does not show Obama urging undocumented people to vote:

So where did all the confusion come from? Well — we blame interviewer Gina Rodriguez in part for this.

Rodriguez, best known for her starring role in “Jane the Virgin,” refers broadly to a fear of voting among “millennials, Dreamers [and] undocumented citizens,” failing to articulate that — while all these people may be concerned about immigration rumors — the millennials are the only ones of the bunch who actually cast a ballot. It’s also confusing that both she and Obama say “citizen,” but mean it in totally opposite ways: She’s referring to undocumented immigrants (“I call them citizens because they contribute to this country”) and he to people who are here legally (“when you vote, you are a citizen yourself”).

Still, you’d have to willfully misinterpret the whole exchange to come away thinking that Obama was encouraging voter fraud.​

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's check.....

Did Hussein tell illegal aliens "When you vote, you're a citizen yourself" ???

Yup.

Nope. He actually didn't.

he kinda did.

If you watch an unedited video he is not telling illegal aliens to vote but telling naturalized citizens to exercise their rights as a citizen.

Third lie in a row......


Here I go again:

She says 'I' after making clear that she is speaking for illegal aliens.









Transcript:



RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting.

[And that is who she is speaking for!]

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
[Who would come for legal citizens voting?????????]
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself.

[Just like you.....a bald-faced liar!]

And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.

[Meaning: 'Go ahead and vote....no one will be the wiser!']



The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

[Meaning, I guess....if you are living with lots of other illegals...well, heck, at least some of you should go vote! After all....Trump is trying to get rid of you illegals!]

It was an interview, not a pre-written speech so it is hardly surprising there are parts that are awkward but this video does not show Obama urging undocumented people to vote:

So where did all the confusion come from? Well — we blame interviewer Gina Rodriguez in part for this.

Rodriguez, best known for her starring role in “Jane the Virgin,” refers broadly to a fear of voting among “millennials, Dreamers [and] undocumented citizens,” failing to articulate that — while all these people may be concerned about immigration rumors — the millennials are the only ones of the bunch who actually cast a ballot. It’s also confusing that both she and Obama say “citizen,” but mean it in totally opposite ways: She’s referring to undocumented immigrants (“I call them citizens because they contribute to this country”) and he to people who are here legally (“when you vote, you are a citizen yourself”).

Still, you’d have to willfully misinterpret the whole exchange to come away thinking that Obama was encouraging voter fraud.​

Amazing the lies you parrot, and your demand to remain oblivious.

 

[alang1216]

Obama's guaranteeing nuclear weapons to the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism?

And another classic lie.

Watch me hit this one out of the part, too.....


1. NPR wrote that they were restricted for 10 years:

"Perhaps the biggest unknown is what happens to that breakout time once some of the terms of this deal start to expire 10 and 15 years from now.

In an interview with NPR after the framework of this agreement was reached, President Obama conceded that "at that point the breakout times would have shrunk almost down to zero."

But this deal, Obama argued at the time, buys the United States at least a decade."
6 Things You Should Know About The Iran Nuclear Deal


And that was written three years ago.




2. "Obama Gave Iran A Faster Route To A Nuke -- And Didn't Tell Us
President Obama's deal with Iran was supposed to keep that nation's mullahs from creating a nuclear weapon with which it could intimidate and dominate the Mideast and much of Europe. Instead, it actually makes it more possible -- and in shorter time.

The Associated Press obtained a copy of a secret side deal that, in the words of the normally circumspect AP, advances "Tehran's ability to build a bomb even before the end of the pact." The accord as agreed to by the U.S. and five other nations was supposed to last 15 years. Or so we were told. Turns out, that's not the case.


...the deal as signed all but guarantees that Iran will someday get a nuclear weapon with which to terrorize its neighbors. What the AP document does is move up the time under which Iran can make a nuclear weapon. So we'll all be at risk sooner than we think.

The so-called "add-on" agreement lets Iran expand its uranium enrichment program after 10 years -- not 15 years, as the public parts of the deal suggested."
Obama Gave Iran A Faster Route To A Nuke -- And Didn't Tell Us | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

It is hard to know the future but here in the present, in the absence of the pact and the reimposing of US sanctions, Iran has begun enriching uranium again. I'd say if nothing changes it is Trump who will get the credit for giving Iran the bomb.

 

[RealDave]

A Trumpette calling others uneducated is like Danny Devito mocking people for being short.

We save soldiers lives by establishing allies that join us in war.

When Trump abandoned the Kurds in Syria, who will trust us again? How with that save soldier's lives?

Turkey has always wanted to attack the Kurds in Syria. The US blocked it. Trump pulled us out. When the kurds are attacked, Trump will not do shit to Turkey's economy because there is a Trump Tower in Istanbul..

You'd like your turn to be spanked???


Sure thing, RealDumb.....see if you can find anything....ANYTHING.....not 100% true, accurate and correct:


1. Of course, that is the mission of government school, owned and operated by Democrats/Progressives.
The Kurd kerfuffle is a case in point.
Trump promised disengagement from the perpetual wars of the Middle East....who complained then?

Now, saving American soldier's lives isn't important.



2. America made promises....in writing.....to the Ukraine, which Hussein didn't choose to fulfill,
....we'd protect them from a Russian invasion if they turned over nuclear weapons....

...and you had no problem with his refusal.....but now you choose to support Marxists and use this move as a cudgel to beat an American President.

On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state.
Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine




3. Who, exactly are we there to defend???

A quick trip to Wikipedia:

"The Kurdistan Workers' Party or PKK (Kurdish: Partiya Karkerên Kurdistanê‎[a]) is a Kurdish far-left militant and political organization based in Turkey and Iraq. Since 1984 the PKK has been involved in an armed conflict with the Turkish state (with a two-year cease-fire during 2013–2015), with the initial aim of achieving an independent Kurdish state, later changing it to a demand for equal rights and Kurdish autonomy in Turkey.[16][17][18][19]

The PKK was founded in 1978 in the village of Fis (near Lice) by a group of Kurdish students led by Abdullah Öcalan[20] and 1979 it made its existence known to tthehe public.[21]The PKK's ideology was originally a fusion of revolutionary socialism and Kurdish nationalism, seeking the foundation of an independent Communist state in the region,....

Ideology Kurdish nationalism[1]
Communalism
Democratic confederalism[2]
Libertarian socialism[3]
Jineology
Anti-capitalism"
Kurdistan Workers' Party - Wikipedia

Just what the Democrat Party stands for, too.




4. "Christian Fighters Abandon Anti-ISIS Kurd Group Because It's Communist
... many of the most motivated Western fighters are Christian crusaders eager to defeat the armies of Muhammad, but they were shocked to learn they'd joined up with a bunch of Kurdish atheist commies to do it:
Christian Fighters Abandon Anti-ISIS Kurd Group Because It's Communist



QED....if you know nothing, you'll fall for anything.

You voted for Trump so I'd quit accusing people of falling for stuff.

So, when Obama pulled troops from Iraq, you ilk had a fit. even though he had no option at that time.

Trump said he would bring our troops home. But there are ways to do this without screwing over our allies.

"You voted for Trump so I'd quit accusing people of falling for stuff."

Adults vote for policies, Democrats for persons.


This is what we adults voted for:

Here's a dozen reasons:


Most voted against the Democrats,
against the mess Hussein Obama made of the economy,
against the corruption we've witnessed for decades,
against awarding nuclear weapons to the 7th century savages,
against the anti-white bias of the Democrat Party,

against the flood of illegal immigrants who require welfare
against bringing millions of unvetted Muslim refugees from war-indoctrinated nations,
against redistribution of wealth,
against the failed Liberal welfare industry,
against being dictated to by the United Nothings,
against a failed Liberal education industry,

...and for the slim possibility of a rebirth of America.




"When secular leftists express frustration at how practicing Catholics (your humble servants) and evangelicals could ever vote for Donald Trump, the first thing they refuse to concede is the horror of the alternative.

They refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton clearly, forthrightly stood for abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason and even supported it having it funded by pro-life taxpayers. It’s what she and her husband called “safe, legal and rare.” Hillary and her crew even dismissed the videotaped baby-organ-selling grotesqueries of Planned Parenthood as somehow fictional. And they refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton represented the creeping extremism of the LGBT movement, with its emphasis on redesigning all the nation’s bathrooms, not to mention human nature."
Bozell & Graham Column: The Book Against Transgender Extremism




“Job growth surges by 312,000 in December” Job growth surges by 312,000 in December


"Unemployment hits 49-year low as US employers step up hiring"
Unemployment hits 49-year low as US employers step up hiring


"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. "
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports®


"Hispanic Unemployment Rate Sets New Record Low in April"
Hispanic Unemployment Rate Sets New Record Low in April

"Unemployment Rate for Women Falls to Lowest Since 1953"
Unemployment Rate for Women Falls to Lowest Since 1953 | Breitbart

"Lowest unemployment in 19 years for workers without bachelor's degrees in April"
Lowest unemployment in 19 years for workers without bachelor's degrees in April


“Black unemployment rate falls to 5.9%, ties record low hit earlier this year” Black unemployment rate falls to 5.9%, ties record low hit earlier this year





You must be quite the dunce not to have caught on yet.

You are the dunce. Trump won because he was not Clinton. 25% of voters voted against the other candidate and that vote gave Trump the win.

The fact is that voters oppose most of Trump's policies which include taxes, healthcare, immigration, border security and foreign policy. Even now, Trump's trade policies are hurting the world and US economy. Manufacturing is in a recession.

Rasmussen's last poll of likely voters in 2018 gave Republicans a 1 point edge in the generic ballot. They missed by 9 points.

So you're predicting a Trump loss in the election????


You figure this is what America wants????


1. America would fall back to this:
“Team Obama: Sorry, America, the ‘new normal’ may be here to stay

The good times may be over for good. In a speech to the Economic Club of New York yesterday, US Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said the US GDP growth rate, adjusted for inflation, is now projected to run a little above 2% a year.”
Team Obama: Sorry, America, the 'new normal' may be here to stay - AEI


2. The hard working American taxpayer would pay for illegal alien's healthcare

3. There'd be no penalty for sneaking over the border.....no sovereignty.

4. The world's worst state sponsor of terrorism would have nuclear weapons.

5. Infanticide, post-birth abortion, would be legalized

6. Taxes would be increased and tax cuts reversed

7. Sharia would become de rigueur

8. Free speech would be outlawed as 'hate speech.

9. Jewish persons would have to find shelter elsewhere

10. We could look forward to the end of private health insurance, reparations for slavery and drug dealers, financial security for those who ‘don’t care to work,’ abortion rights for 'transwomen (men), and packing the Supreme Court.




Speak up, dolt.

Dolt??? You have the nerve to call someone a dolt after posting this pile of crap?

There is no one pushing legalized infanticide. You are so stupid you could not understand what the Gov of Maryland said.

Then you took a sad situation for a family & lied about it accusing them of murder,.

You are one sick disgusting poor excuse for human being.

 

[alang1216]

Let's check.....

Did Hussein tell illegal aliens "When you vote, you're a citizen yourself" ???

Yup.

Nope. He actually didn't.

he kinda did.

If you watch an unedited video he is not telling illegal aliens to vote but telling naturalized citizens to exercise their rights as a citizen.

Third lie in a row......


Here I go again:

She says 'I' after making clear that she is speaking for illegal aliens.









Transcript:



RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting.

[And that is who she is speaking for!]

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
[Who would come for legal citizens voting?????????]
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself.

[Just like you.....a bald-faced liar!]

And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.

[Meaning: 'Go ahead and vote....no one will be the wiser!']



The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

[Meaning, I guess....if you are living with lots of other illegals...well, heck, at least some of you should go vote! After all....Trump is trying to get rid of you illegals!]

if she isn't speaking for them, she wouldn't need to add this line:

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live

Oops, my bad. I thought we were talking about Obama, not Jane the Virgin.

 

[alang1216]

Obama's guaranteeing nuclear weapons to the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism?

And another classic lie.

again, he gave them 150 billion, dropped on a iranian airfield. hmmmmm what else would they do with the money? curious what you're thinking they used it for? their people? oh shit kid, you need to leave the conversation if you think that.

You mean he returned their money as required by an international court? Regardless, money is no guarantee.

Barack Obama was ushering in the age of the ‘Iranian Nuclear Bomb’ and fueling Iran’s war machine.

Barack Obama, the #1 funder of radical Islamic fundamentalism and of the world’s worst state sponsor of terrorism, in the history of the world.



Under Hussein Obama, the United States was the lead benefactor of Islamic terrorism

He gave his nod to ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons for 7th century barbarians.



Barack Obama, in addition to slowing the rise of the oceans, also made the world a safer place to be by funding the world’s worst state sponsor of terrorism while not restricting their ballistic missile program and, at the same time, supporting Hezbollah.



The best friend the homicidal maniacs in charge of Iran ever had was Barack Hussein Obama.

The big question about Hussein Obama was always was he Sunni or Shia…and with the Iran deal, we got answer.

Not even up to you usual low standards for a copy & paste. No links or attribution.

 

[alang1216]

Why give the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism anything.....and certainly not the ability to produce nuclear weapons?

You give something to get something. Obama got a commitment to halt uranium enrichment. Trump reneged and now they started enriching again. Who is to blame should they build a bomb in a year?

 

[PoliticalChic]

You'd like your turn to be spanked???


Sure thing, RealDumb.....see if you can find anything....ANYTHING.....not 100% true, accurate and correct:


1. Of course, that is the mission of government school, owned and operated by Democrats/Progressives.
The Kurd kerfuffle is a case in point.
Trump promised disengagement from the perpetual wars of the Middle East....who complained then?

Now, saving American soldier's lives isn't important.



2. America made promises....in writing.....to the Ukraine, which Hussein didn't choose to fulfill,
....we'd protect them from a Russian invasion if they turned over nuclear weapons....

...and you had no problem with his refusal.....but now you choose to support Marxists and use this move as a cudgel to beat an American President.

On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state.
Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine




3. Who, exactly are we there to defend???

A quick trip to Wikipedia:

"The Kurdistan Workers' Party or PKK (Kurdish: Partiya Karkerên Kurdistanê‎[a]) is a Kurdish far-left militant and political organization based in Turkey and Iraq. Since 1984 the PKK has been involved in an armed conflict with the Turkish state (with a two-year cease-fire during 2013–2015), with the initial aim of achieving an independent Kurdish state, later changing it to a demand for equal rights and Kurdish autonomy in Turkey.[16][17][18][19]

The PKK was founded in 1978 in the village of Fis (near Lice) by a group of Kurdish students led by Abdullah Öcalan[20] and 1979 it made its existence known to tthehe public.[21]The PKK's ideology was originally a fusion of revolutionary socialism and Kurdish nationalism, seeking the foundation of an independent Communist state in the region,....

Ideology Kurdish nationalism[1]
Communalism
Democratic confederalism[2]
Libertarian socialism[3]
Jineology
Anti-capitalism"
Kurdistan Workers' Party - Wikipedia

Just what the Democrat Party stands for, too.




4. "Christian Fighters Abandon Anti-ISIS Kurd Group Because It's Communist
... many of the most motivated Western fighters are Christian crusaders eager to defeat the armies of Muhammad, but they were shocked to learn they'd joined up with a bunch of Kurdish atheist commies to do it:
Christian Fighters Abandon Anti-ISIS Kurd Group Because It's Communist



QED....if you know nothing, you'll fall for anything.

You voted for Trump so I'd quit accusing people of falling for stuff.

So, when Obama pulled troops from Iraq, you ilk had a fit. even though he had no option at that time.

Trump said he would bring our troops home. But there are ways to do this without screwing over our allies.

"You voted for Trump so I'd quit accusing people of falling for stuff."

Adults vote for policies, Democrats for persons.


This is what we adults voted for:

Here's a dozen reasons:


Most voted against the Democrats,
against the mess Hussein Obama made of the economy,
against the corruption we've witnessed for decades,
against awarding nuclear weapons to the 7th century savages,
against the anti-white bias of the Democrat Party,

against the flood of illegal immigrants who require welfare
against bringing millions of unvetted Muslim refugees from war-indoctrinated nations,
against redistribution of wealth,
against the failed Liberal welfare industry,
against being dictated to by the United Nothings,
against a failed Liberal education industry,

...and for the slim possibility of a rebirth of America.




"When secular leftists express frustration at how practicing Catholics (your humble servants) and evangelicals could ever vote for Donald Trump, the first thing they refuse to concede is the horror of the alternative.

They refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton clearly, forthrightly stood for abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason and even supported it having it funded by pro-life taxpayers. It’s what she and her husband called “safe, legal and rare.” Hillary and her crew even dismissed the videotaped baby-organ-selling grotesqueries of Planned Parenthood as somehow fictional. And they refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton represented the creeping extremism of the LGBT movement, with its emphasis on redesigning all the nation’s bathrooms, not to mention human nature."
Bozell & Graham Column: The Book Against Transgender Extremism




“Job growth surges by 312,000 in December” Job growth surges by 312,000 in December


"Unemployment hits 49-year low as US employers step up hiring"
Unemployment hits 49-year low as US employers step up hiring


"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. "
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports®


"Hispanic Unemployment Rate Sets New Record Low in April"
Hispanic Unemployment Rate Sets New Record Low in April

"Unemployment Rate for Women Falls to Lowest Since 1953"
Unemployment Rate for Women Falls to Lowest Since 1953 | Breitbart

"Lowest unemployment in 19 years for workers without bachelor's degrees in April"
Lowest unemployment in 19 years for workers without bachelor's degrees in April


“Black unemployment rate falls to 5.9%, ties record low hit earlier this year” Black unemployment rate falls to 5.9%, ties record low hit earlier this year





You must be quite the dunce not to have caught on yet.

You are the dunce. Trump won because he was not Clinton. 25% of voters voted against the other candidate and that vote gave Trump the win.

The fact is that voters oppose most of Trump's policies which include taxes, healthcare, immigration, border security and foreign policy. Even now, Trump's trade policies are hurting the world and US economy. Manufacturing is in a recession.

Rasmussen's last poll of likely voters in 2018 gave Republicans a 1 point edge in the generic ballot. They missed by 9 points.

So you're predicting a Trump loss in the election????


You figure this is what America wants????


1. America would fall back to this:
“Team Obama: Sorry, America, the ‘new normal’ may be here to stay

The good times may be over for good. In a speech to the Economic Club of New York yesterday, US Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said the US GDP growth rate, adjusted for inflation, is now projected to run a little above 2% a year.”
Team Obama: Sorry, America, the 'new normal' may be here to stay - AEI


2. The hard working American taxpayer would pay for illegal alien's healthcare

3. There'd be no penalty for sneaking over the border.....no sovereignty.

4. The world's worst state sponsor of terrorism would have nuclear weapons.

5. Infanticide, post-birth abortion, would be legalized

6. Taxes would be increased and tax cuts reversed

7. Sharia would become de rigueur

8. Free speech would be outlawed as 'hate speech.

9. Jewish persons would have to find shelter elsewhere

10. We could look forward to the end of private health insurance, reparations for slavery and drug dealers, financial security for those who ‘don’t care to work,’ abortion rights for 'transwomen (men), and packing the Supreme Court.




Speak up, dolt.

Dolt??? You have the nerve to call someone a dolt after posting this pile of crap?

There is no one pushing legalized infanticide. You are so stupid you could not understand what the Gov of Maryland said.

Then you took a sad situation for a family & lied about it accusing them of murder,.

You are one sick disgusting poor excuse for human being.

"There is no one pushing legalized infanticide.



So this is why you're known as RealDumb???


1. Obama voted for infanticide
Obama selected as his science adviser one who favored not just infantice....but slaughter months after birth.


2. The facts are that the major political party is actually a supporter of infanticide. On the other side of the aisle, Trump rails against this barbarism:

Trump “described what happens to a child after she is born alive following a failed abortion, saying, “The baby is born. The mother meets with the doctor, they take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby. I don't think so. It's incredible.”
What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.




Hussein Obama supported infanticide...wouldn't vote to support the baby.

Obama named Peter Singer, champion of infanticide, as his 'science adviser.'
The Democrat administration in Virginia offered a law for...in favor of....infanticide....stopped by Republicans.

The Democrat governor of Virginia actually agreed with the bill for infanticide.

"New York abortion law changes allow infanticide"
New York abortion law changes allow infanticide

"Anti-infanticide bill blocked by Senate Democrats"
Senate Democrats block Republicans’ anti-infanticide bill




3. Here’s the context. One of the major selling points of the Left/Democrats is that no personal responsibility is ever required, up to an including taking responsibility for creating a new and unique human being. So, if one does, no prob: kill it and more on.

Somehow this is meant to resonate with women who make a ‘mistake,’ and want the right to eradicate it.

Almost 99 % of all abortions are for nothing more than convenience. And this is perfectly alright for the Left.



That's the reality.



4. There is no way to separate abortion from infanticide for this reason: what if a child is born as a result of an unsuccessful attempted abortion?


And, as several states now allow abortion up to the moment of birth,… “The state of New York recently passed a horrific new abortion law removing almost all previous restrictions. The law now allows abortions to be performed up to the point of natural birth by physicians and also by some non-physician health care practitioners. It also removes protections for babies who accidentally survive an abortion procedure.” New York abortion law changes allow infanticide



"7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York"
7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York






…..the result of what happens to that child is included here:


“The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.”

Infanticide | Definition of Infanticide by Lexico




There is no dancing around it. It is infanticide.



If abortion up until the last minute is sanctioned, there is no way to prevent it from becoming infanticide.




5. “…what happens to a baby when she survives an abortion attempt? Is she given medical care as any other patient would receive, or is she left to die?.... the abortion industry and the media have tiptoed around the basic question.


Trump’s statement was only recalling what Virginia [Democrat] Gov. Ralph Northam said: “I can tell you exactly what happens: If a mother is in labor…the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and mother.”


6. So, according to [Democrat] Gov. Northam, whether a newborn gets the chance to live or not is a matter for “discussion.” Precious moments slip by as the infant is fighting for her life on the delivery table, but the mother and doctor are discussing whether or not she should live? At this point we are no longer talking about abortion or a woman’s body. We are talking about a child who has clearly become the patient.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.






This is the position of the Democrat Party:

"...whether a newborn gets the chance to live or not is a matter for “discussion.”

"...the infant is fighting for her life on the delivery table,..."


It's called infanticide. That's the reality.



"When secular leftists express frustration at how practicing Catholics (your humble servants) and evangelicals could ever vote for Donald Trump, the first thing they refuse to concede is the horror of the alternative.


They refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton clearly, forthrightly stood for abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason and even supported it having it funded by pro-life taxpayers.

It’s what she and her husband called “safe, legal and rare.” Hillary and her crew even dismissed the videotaped baby-organ-selling grotesqueries of Planned Parenthood as somehow fictional. And they refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton represented the creeping extremism of the LGBT movement, with its emphasis on redesigning all the nation’s bathrooms, not to mention human nature."
Bozell & Graham Column: The Book Against Transgender Extremism



It is a defining principle of Leftism that they can alter human nature.



Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia




Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] :

"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will"
New Soviet man - Wikipedia



In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.”
-http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html




“Human nature is the one constant through human history. It is always there.”

--Thucydides


7. “What happens when the mother and doctor decide not to let the infant live?
Do they withhold care and let the infant die on its own or do they kill the infant? And how?
The media claims Trump’s comment is incorrect, but no one in the abortion industry will answer the question.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.



Democrat Governor Northam
“So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he went on. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”


Soooo......liar.....what are the possible outcomes of that 'discussion'????????


If the "the mother and the family desired," could the boy or girl be left to die???????





Would it be consistent with the Democrat infanticide law?????

You betcha' it would.



8. In a recent thread, one of the apologists for the slaughter of the unborn decided the death sentence was decided in the very same way an earlier Democrat Party decided on the humanity: location.

If the slave were in Mississippi, he had no rights up to and including life. But, if the same person were residing in Connecticut, bingo! Freedom, and the right to live.



It appears the same test is the basis for life and liberty of the prospective chid.

When asked “What is the argument for the "right" of a woman to authorize the killing of her unborn baby that would not apply to her authorizing the similar slaughter of a year old that she was breastfeeding?”

This Philistine answered:

“One is the contents of her body. The other isn't.” Dehumanization of the Left





The ‘magical’ birth canal imparts ‘life.’ Don’t make it to the finish line……death.


But what if the baby ‘accidentally’ makes it across that finish line?

=====================================================================================

9.” In progressive Pennsylvania, here was a doctor, Kermit Gosnell, an African-American, he’s in his early 70s now, who ran an abortion clinic for 30 years, where he routinely, and these are not my words, this is the grand jury’s words, where he routinely delivered babies alive and then cut their necks with scissors.

And he did this for 30 years. That’s why in the eyes of the grand jury and also ABC’s Terry Moran, he was described as America’s biggest serial killer,…”
The True Story of Kermit Gosnell and His Victims





“…in the Kermit Gosnell trial (which received very little media attention), eye-witnesses testified that babies were moving and breathing before their spinal cords were cut; others were flushed in toilets or were thrown in the garbage with a shoebox for a coffin--while still alive inside!
The fact is, babies can survive abortion attempts.

The CDC tells us that, between 2003-2014, at least 143 infants died after being born alive during an abortion procedure, and the report even admits that this number is underestimated.

That’s an average of one infant a month! According to the report, some of these infants hung on to life for more than 24 hours after the induced abortion before they died!”
What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.





Is it murder?

America’s greatest serial killer, Dr. Kermit Gosnell.

“Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Guilty of Murder in Late-Term Procedures” Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Guilty of Murder in Late-Term Procedures



Convicted of first degree murder, and now, everything that Gosnell was convicted of is legal in NY….

....thanks to Democrats.



10. “When babies survive abortion, they will be either intentionally kept alive or intentionally put to death. There’s no in-between.….Congress needs to pass the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would add enforcement mechanisms to prosecute doctors who deny life-saving medical care to infants who survive abortion - putting an end to birth day abortions.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.




11. To prove that the Democrats are the assassins, the Republicans have a plan to make them reveal it:

"Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) introduced the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would provide medical care to babies born after botched abortions. Doctors would be required to provide medical care to a baby who survived an abortion, just as they would with any other patient. If doctors failed to provide care he or she would face criminal charges.
"I want to ask each and every one of my colleagues whether or not we're OK with infanticide," Sasse asked his colleagues.

But when the bill came to the Senate floor for a vote on Monday, Democrats filibustered."
Disgusting: Dems Prove, Once Again, They Support Infanticide With Their Latest Filibuster



Filibustered to defeat the proposal….exactly what the Democrats did to stop the attempts by the Republicans to get the vote for women (1919) and the same ploy the Democrats used to block every anti-lynching law (1920-1940).





"...all six Democrats running for president in 2020 voted against the bill. The list includes Sens. Cory Booker (NJ), Sherrod Brown (OH), Kirsten Gillibrand (NY), Kamala Harris (CA.), Amy Klobuchar (MN), and Elizabeth Warren (MA.). Independent Bernie Sanders (VT) also voted in line with Democrats." Ibid.

 

[alang1216]

Amazing the lies you parrot, and your demand to remain oblivious.

Are you asking me to stop quoting you?

 

[RealDave]

You mean he returned their money as required by an international court? Regardless, money is no guarantee.

he gave the 150 billion and I asked you a question, which you intentionally avoided answering cause you get blown up once you do. hahahahahahaha you're checkmated friend.

You asked a question you know neither of us can answer. I'm hardly checkmated more like disheartened.

As for the $, another lie:

First of all, former President Barack Obama didn’t give “150 billion in cash” to Iran.

The nuclear agreement included China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union, so Obama didn’t carry out any part of it on his own. The deal did lift some sanctions, which lifted a freeze on Iran’s assets that were held largely in foreign, not U.S., banks. And, to be clear, the money that was unfrozen belonged to Iran. It had only been made inaccessible by sanctions aimed at crippling the country’s nuclear program.

Secondly, $150 billion is a high-end estimate of the total that was freed up after some sanctions were lifted. U.S. Treasury Department estimates put the number at about $50 billion in “usable liquid assets,” according to 2015 testimony from Adam Szubin, acting under
of treasury for terrorism and financial intelligence.​

Why give the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism anything.....and certainly not the ability to produce nuclear weapons?

Every day and in every way you prove that the indoctrinated.....you government school grads.....will suck up to your elites no matter how damaging their views are.


After promising that Iran would never get nuclear weapons, Obama guaranteed them nukes.

October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table"
Hussein Obama


A perfect example of
“Taqiya is an Islamic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution. This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecutionor compulsion. However, it is also permitted in Sunni Islam under certain circumstances.” Taqiyya - Wikiquote[/QUOTE]
It was Iran's money.

Explain again how an agreement that stops a nuke gives Iran a Nuke.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You mean he returned their money as required by an international court? Regardless, money is no guarantee.

he gave the 150 billion and I asked you a question, which you intentionally avoided answering cause you get blown up once you do. hahahahahahaha you're checkmated friend.

You asked a question you know neither of us can answer. I'm hardly checkmated more like disheartened.

As for the $, another lie:

First of all, former President Barack Obama didn’t give “150 billion in cash” to Iran.

The nuclear agreement included China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union, so Obama didn’t carry out any part of it on his own. The deal did lift some sanctions, which lifted a freeze on Iran’s assets that were held largely in foreign, not U.S., banks. And, to be clear, the money that was unfrozen belonged to Iran. It had only been made inaccessible by sanctions aimed at crippling the country’s nuclear program.

Secondly, $150 billion is a high-end estimate of the total that was freed up after some sanctions were lifted. U.S. Treasury Department estimates put the number at about $50 billion in “usable liquid assets,” according to 2015 testimony from Adam Szubin, acting under
of treasury for terrorism and financial intelligence.​

Why give the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism anything.....and certainly not the ability to produce nuclear weapons?

Every day and in every way you prove that the indoctrinated.....you government school grads.....will suck up to your elites no matter how damaging their views are.


After promising that Iran would never get nuclear weapons, Obama guaranteed them nukes.

October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table"
Hussein Obama


A perfect example of
“Taqiya is an Islamic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution. This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecutionor compulsion. However, it is also permitted in Sunni Islam under certain circumstances.” Taqiyya - Wikiquote

It was Iran's money.

Explain again how an agreement that stops a nuke gives Iran a Nuke.[/QUOTE]



Who said it 'stopped' Iran from getting nuclear weapons???

Obama made certain they get them.

 

[RealDave]

You voted for Trump so I'd quit accusing people of falling for stuff.

So, when Obama pulled troops from Iraq, you ilk had a fit. even though he had no option at that time.

Trump said he would bring our troops home. But there are ways to do this without screwing over our allies.

"You voted for Trump so I'd quit accusing people of falling for stuff."

Adults vote for policies, Democrats for persons.


This is what we adults voted for:

Here's a dozen reasons:


Most voted against the Democrats,
against the mess Hussein Obama made of the economy,
against the corruption we've witnessed for decades,
against awarding nuclear weapons to the 7th century savages,
against the anti-white bias of the Democrat Party,

against the flood of illegal immigrants who require welfare
against bringing millions of unvetted Muslim refugees from war-indoctrinated nations,
against redistribution of wealth,
against the failed Liberal welfare industry,
against being dictated to by the United Nothings,
against a failed Liberal education industry,

...and for the slim possibility of a rebirth of America.




"When secular leftists express frustration at how practicing Catholics (your humble servants) and evangelicals could ever vote for Donald Trump, the first thing they refuse to concede is the horror of the alternative.

They refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton clearly, forthrightly stood for abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason and even supported it having it funded by pro-life taxpayers. It’s what she and her husband called “safe, legal and rare.” Hillary and her crew even dismissed the videotaped baby-organ-selling grotesqueries of Planned Parenthood as somehow fictional. And they refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton represented the creeping extremism of the LGBT movement, with its emphasis on redesigning all the nation’s bathrooms, not to mention human nature."
Bozell & Graham Column: The Book Against Transgender Extremism




“Job growth surges by 312,000 in December” Job growth surges by 312,000 in December


"Unemployment hits 49-year low as US employers step up hiring"
Unemployment hits 49-year low as US employers step up hiring


"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. "
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports®


"Hispanic Unemployment Rate Sets New Record Low in April"
Hispanic Unemployment Rate Sets New Record Low in April

"Unemployment Rate for Women Falls to Lowest Since 1953"
Unemployment Rate for Women Falls to Lowest Since 1953 | Breitbart

"Lowest unemployment in 19 years for workers without bachelor's degrees in April"
Lowest unemployment in 19 years for workers without bachelor's degrees in April


“Black unemployment rate falls to 5.9%, ties record low hit earlier this year” Black unemployment rate falls to 5.9%, ties record low hit earlier this year





You must be quite the dunce not to have caught on yet.

You are the dunce. Trump won because he was not Clinton. 25% of voters voted against the other candidate and that vote gave Trump the win.

The fact is that voters oppose most of Trump's policies which include taxes, healthcare, immigration, border security and foreign policy. Even now, Trump's trade policies are hurting the world and US economy. Manufacturing is in a recession.

Rasmussen's last poll of likely voters in 2018 gave Republicans a 1 point edge in the generic ballot. They missed by 9 points.

So you're predicting a Trump loss in the election????


You figure this is what America wants????


1. America would fall back to this:
“Team Obama: Sorry, America, the ‘new normal’ may be here to stay

The good times may be over for good. In a speech to the Economic Club of New York yesterday, US Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said the US GDP growth rate, adjusted for inflation, is now projected to run a little above 2% a year.”
Team Obama: Sorry, America, the 'new normal' may be here to stay - AEI


2. The hard working American taxpayer would pay for illegal alien's healthcare

3. There'd be no penalty for sneaking over the border.....no sovereignty.

4. The world's worst state sponsor of terrorism would have nuclear weapons.

5. Infanticide, post-birth abortion, would be legalized

6. Taxes would be increased and tax cuts reversed

7. Sharia would become de rigueur

8. Free speech would be outlawed as 'hate speech.

9. Jewish persons would have to find shelter elsewhere

10. We could look forward to the end of private health insurance, reparations for slavery and drug dealers, financial security for those who ‘don’t care to work,’ abortion rights for 'transwomen (men), and packing the Supreme Court.




Speak up, dolt.

Dolt??? You have the nerve to call someone a dolt after posting this pile of crap?

There is no one pushing legalized infanticide. You are so stupid you could not understand what the Gov of Maryland said.

Then you took a sad situation for a family & lied about it accusing them of murder,.

You are one sick disgusting poor excuse for human being.

"There is no one pushing legalized infanticide.



So this is why you're known as RealDumb???


1. Obama voted for infanticide
Obama selected as his science adviser one who favored not just infantice....but slaughter months after birth.


2. The facts are that the major political party is actually a supporter of infanticide. On the other side of the aisle, Trump rails against this barbarism:

Trump “described what happens to a child after she is born alive following a failed abortion, saying, “The baby is born. The mother meets with the doctor, they take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby. I don't think so. It's incredible.”
What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.




Hussein Obama supported infanticide...wouldn't vote to support the baby.

Obama named Peter Singer, champion of infanticide, as his 'science adviser.'
The Democrat administration in Virginia offered a law for...in favor of....infanticide....stopped by Republicans.

The Democrat governor of Virginia actually agreed with the bill for infanticide.

"New York abortion law changes allow infanticide"
New York abortion law changes allow infanticide

"Anti-infanticide bill blocked by Senate Democrats"
Senate Democrats block Republicans’ anti-infanticide bill




3. Here’s the context. One of the major selling points of the Left/Democrats is that no personal responsibility is ever required, up to an including taking responsibility for creating a new and unique human being. So, if one does, no prob: kill it and more on.

Somehow this is meant to resonate with women who make a ‘mistake,’ and want the right to eradicate it.

Almost 99 % of all abortions are for nothing more than convenience. And this is perfectly alright for the Left.



That's the reality.



4. There is no way to separate abortion from infanticide for this reason: what if a child is born as a result of an unsuccessful attempted abortion?


And, as several states now allow abortion up to the moment of birth,… “The state of New York recently passed a horrific new abortion law removing almost all previous restrictions. The law now allows abortions to be performed up to the point of natural birth by physicians and also by some non-physician health care practitioners. It also removes protections for babies who accidentally survive an abortion procedure.” New York abortion law changes allow infanticide



"7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York"
7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York






…..the result of what happens to that child is included here:


“The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.”

Infanticide | Definition of Infanticide by Lexico




There is no dancing around it. It is infanticide.



If abortion up until the last minute is sanctioned, there is no way to prevent it from becoming infanticide.




5. “…what happens to a baby when she survives an abortion attempt? Is she given medical care as any other patient would receive, or is she left to die?.... the abortion industry and the media have tiptoed around the basic question.


Trump’s statement was only recalling what Virginia [Democrat] Gov. Ralph Northam said: “I can tell you exactly what happens: If a mother is in labor…the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and mother.”


6. So, according to [Democrat] Gov. Northam, whether a newborn gets the chance to live or not is a matter for “discussion.” Precious moments slip by as the infant is fighting for her life on the delivery table, but the mother and doctor are discussing whether or not she should live? At this point we are no longer talking about abortion or a woman’s body. We are talking about a child who has clearly become the patient.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.






This is the position of the Democrat Party:

"...whether a newborn gets the chance to live or not is a matter for “discussion.”

"...the infant is fighting for her life on the delivery table,..."


It's called infanticide. That's the reality.



"When secular leftists express frustration at how practicing Catholics (your humble servants) and evangelicals could ever vote for Donald Trump, the first thing they refuse to concede is the horror of the alternative.


They refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton clearly, forthrightly stood for abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason and even supported it having it funded by pro-life taxpayers.

It’s what she and her husband called “safe, legal and rare.” Hillary and her crew even dismissed the videotaped baby-organ-selling grotesqueries of Planned Parenthood as somehow fictional. And they refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton represented the creeping extremism of the LGBT movement, with its emphasis on redesigning all the nation’s bathrooms, not to mention human nature."
Bozell & Graham Column: The Book Against Transgender Extremism



It is a defining principle of Leftism that they can alter human nature.



Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia




Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] :

"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will"
New Soviet man - Wikipedia



In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.”
-http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html




“Human nature is the one constant through human history. It is always there.”

--Thucydides


7. “What happens when the mother and doctor decide not to let the infant live?
Do they withhold care and let the infant die on its own or do they kill the infant? And how?
The media claims Trump’s comment is incorrect, but no one in the abortion industry will answer the question.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.



Democrat Governor Northam
“So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he went on. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”


Soooo......liar.....what are the possible outcomes of that 'discussion'????????


If the "the mother and the family desired," could the boy or girl be left to die???????





Would it be consistent with the Democrat infanticide law?????

You betcha' it would.



8. In a recent thread, one of the apologists for the slaughter of the unborn decided the death sentence was decided in the very same way an earlier Democrat Party decided on the humanity: location.

If the slave were in Mississippi, he had no rights up to and including life. But, if the same person were residing in Connecticut, bingo! Freedom, and the right to live.



It appears the same test is the basis for life and liberty of the prospective chid.

When asked “What is the argument for the "right" of a woman to authorize the killing of her unborn baby that would not apply to her authorizing the similar slaughter of a year old that she was breastfeeding?”

This Philistine answered:

“One is the contents of her body. The other isn't.” Dehumanization of the Left





The ‘magical’ birth canal imparts ‘life.’ Don’t make it to the finish line……death.


But what if the baby ‘accidentally’ makes it across that finish line?

=====================================================================================

9.” In progressive Pennsylvania, here was a doctor, Kermit Gosnell, an African-American, he’s in his early 70s now, who ran an abortion clinic for 30 years, where he routinely, and these are not my words, this is the grand jury’s words, where he routinely delivered babies alive and then cut their necks with scissors.

And he did this for 30 years. That’s why in the eyes of the grand jury and also ABC’s Terry Moran, he was described as America’s biggest serial killer,…”
The True Story of Kermit Gosnell and His Victims





“…in the Kermit Gosnell trial (which received very little media attention), eye-witnesses testified that babies were moving and breathing before their spinal cords were cut; others were flushed in toilets or were thrown in the garbage with a shoebox for a coffin--while still alive inside!
The fact is, babies can survive abortion attempts.

The CDC tells us that, between 2003-2014, at least 143 infants died after being born alive during an abortion procedure, and the report even admits that this number is underestimated.

That’s an average of one infant a month! According to the report, some of these infants hung on to life for more than 24 hours after the induced abortion before they died!”
What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.





Is it murder?

America’s greatest serial killer, Dr. Kermit Gosnell.

“Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Guilty of Murder in Late-Term Procedures” Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Guilty of Murder in Late-Term Procedures



Convicted of first degree murder, and now, everything that Gosnell was convicted of is legal in NY….

....thanks to Democrats.



10. “When babies survive abortion, they will be either intentionally kept alive or intentionally put to death. There’s no in-between.….Congress needs to pass the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would add enforcement mechanisms to prosecute doctors who deny life-saving medical care to infants who survive abortion - putting an end to birth day abortions.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.




11. To prove that the Democrats are the assassins, the Republicans have a plan to make them reveal it:

"Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) introduced the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would provide medical care to babies born after botched abortions. Doctors would be required to provide medical care to a baby who survived an abortion, just as they would with any other patient. If doctors failed to provide care he or she would face criminal charges.
"I want to ask each and every one of my colleagues whether or not we're OK with infanticide," Sasse asked his colleagues.

But when the bill came to the Senate floor for a vote on Monday, Democrats filibustered."
Disgusting: Dems Prove, Once Again, They Support Infanticide With Their Latest Filibuster



Filibustered to defeat the proposal….exactly what the Democrats did to stop the attempts by the Republicans to get the vote for women (1919) and the same ploy the Democrats used to block every anti-lynching law (1920-1940).





"...all six Democrats running for president in 2020 voted against the bill. The list includes Sens. Cory Booker (NJ), Sherrod Brown (OH), Kirsten Gillibrand (NY), Kamala Harris (CA.), Amy Klobuchar (MN), and Elizabeth Warren (MA.). Independent Bernie Sanders (VT) also voted in line with Democrats." Ibid.

That bill in the IL Senate that you are talking about was just a ploy.

Babies were ALREADY PROTECTED under Illinois law.

QUIT YOUR FUCKING LYING.

I'll skip the rest of your lies.

Under number 11, if you were pregnant with a severely disabled without any chance of survival, you would force those parents & trheir infant child to go through efforts to keep that baby alive even though there is no hope. That is torture.

When this happens, to allow the baby to die in peace in their parents arms is the only thing to do.

You call those parents murderers.

That shows how ignorant you people really are.

To allow someone without any hope to survive to die is like pulling the plug on a patient on life support. You call that murder.

You are one sick, ignorant piece of shit.

 

[RealDave]

You mean he returned their money as required by an international court? Regardless, money is no guarantee.

he gave the 150 billion and I asked you a question, which you intentionally avoided answering cause you get blown up once you do. hahahahahahaha you're checkmated friend.

You asked a question you know neither of us can answer. I'm hardly checkmated more like disheartened.

As for the $, another lie:

First of all, former President Barack Obama didn’t give “150 billion in cash” to Iran.

The nuclear agreement included China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union, so Obama didn’t carry out any part of it on his own. The deal did lift some sanctions, which lifted a freeze on Iran’s assets that were held largely in foreign, not U.S., banks. And, to be clear, the money that was unfrozen belonged to Iran. It had only been made inaccessible by sanctions aimed at crippling the country’s nuclear program.

Secondly, $150 billion is a high-end estimate of the total that was freed up after some sanctions were lifted. U.S. Treasury Department estimates put the number at about $50 billion in “usable liquid assets,” according to 2015 testimony from Adam Szubin, acting under
of treasury for terrorism and financial intelligence.​

Why give the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism anything.....and certainly not the ability to produce nuclear weapons?

Every day and in every way you prove that the indoctrinated.....you government school grads.....will suck up to your elites no matter how damaging their views are.


After promising that Iran would never get nuclear weapons, Obama guaranteed them nukes.

October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table"
Hussein Obama


A perfect example of
“Taqiya is an Islamic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution. This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecutionor compulsion. However, it is also permitted in Sunni Islam under certain circumstances.” Taqiyya - Wikiquote

It was Iran's money.

Explain again how an agreement that stops a nuke gives Iran a Nuke.

Who said it 'stopped' Iran from getting nuclear weapons???

Obama made certain they get them.[/QUOTE]
How did Obama do that?

Reakly, You assdfucks keep saying it,. So put up or shut up.

How does an agreement to stop Iran from getting a nuke, give Iran a nuke.

 

[RealDave]

You mean he returned their money as required by an international court? Regardless, money is no guarantee.

he gave the 150 billion and I asked you a question, which you intentionally avoided answering cause you get blown up once you do. hahahahahahaha you're checkmated friend.

You asked a question you know neither of us can answer. I'm hardly checkmated more like disheartened.

As for the $, another lie:

First of all, former President Barack Obama didn’t give “150 billion in cash” to Iran.

The nuclear agreement included China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union, so Obama didn’t carry out any part of it on his own. The deal did lift some sanctions, which lifted a freeze on Iran’s assets that were held largely in foreign, not U.S., banks. And, to be clear, the money that was unfrozen belonged to Iran. It had only been made inaccessible by sanctions aimed at crippling the country’s nuclear program.

Secondly, $150 billion is a high-end estimate of the total that was freed up after some sanctions were lifted. U.S. Treasury Department estimates put the number at about $50 billion in “usable liquid assets,” according to 2015 testimony from Adam Szubin, acting under
of treasury for terrorism and financial intelligence.​

Why give the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism anything.....and certainly not the ability to produce nuclear weapons?

Every day and in every way you prove that the indoctrinated.....you government school grads.....will suck up to your elites no matter how damaging their views are.


After promising that Iran would never get nuclear weapons, Obama guaranteed them nukes.

October 7 2008, in the second presidential debate: "We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would be a game-changer in the region. Not only would it threaten Israel, our strongest ally in the region and one of our strongest allies in the world, but it would also create a possibility of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. And so it's unacceptable. And I will do everything that's required to prevent it. And we will never take military options off the table"
Hussein Obama


A perfect example of
“Taqiya is an Islamic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution. This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecutionor compulsion. However, it is also permitted in Sunni Islam under certain circumstances.” Taqiyya - Wikiquote

It was Iran's money.

Explain again how an agreement that stops a nuke gives Iran a Nuke.

Who said it 'stopped' Iran from getting nuclear weapons???

Obama made certain they get them.[/QUOTE]
Who said it? all the countries that signed it.

 

[RealDave]

Let's check.....

Did Hussein tell illegal aliens "When you vote, you're a citizen yourself" ???

Yup.

Nope. He actually didn't.

he kinda did.

If you watch an unedited video he is not telling illegal aliens to vote but telling naturalized citizens to exercise their rights as a citizen.

Third lie in a row......


Here I go again:

She says 'I' after making clear that she is speaking for illegal aliens.









Transcript:



RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting.

[And that is who she is speaking for!]

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
[Who would come for legal citizens voting?????????]
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself.

[Just like you.....a bald-faced liar!]

And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.

[Meaning: 'Go ahead and vote....no one will be the wiser!']



The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

[Meaning, I guess....if you are living with lots of other illegals...well, heck, at least some of you should go vote! After all....Trump is trying to get rid of you illegals!]

It was an interview, not a pre-written speech so it is hardly surprising there are parts that are awkward but this video does not show Obama urging undocumented people to vote:

So where did all the confusion come from? Well — we blame interviewer Gina Rodriguez in part for this.

Rodriguez, best known for her starring role in “Jane the Virgin,” refers broadly to a fear of voting among “millennials, Dreamers [and] undocumented citizens,” failing to articulate that — while all these people may be concerned about immigration rumors — the millennials are the only ones of the bunch who actually cast a ballot. It’s also confusing that both she and Obama say “citizen,” but mean it in totally opposite ways: She’s referring to undocumented immigrants (“I call them citizens because they contribute to this country”) and he to people who are here legally (“when you vote, you are a citizen yourself”).

Still, you’d have to willfully misinterpret the whole exchange to come away thinking that Obama was encouraging voter fraud.​

You people are just plain retarded.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"You voted for Trump so I'd quit accusing people of falling for stuff."

Adults vote for policies, Democrats for persons.


This is what we adults voted for:

Here's a dozen reasons:


Most voted against the Democrats,
against the mess Hussein Obama made of the economy,
against the corruption we've witnessed for decades,
against awarding nuclear weapons to the 7th century savages,
against the anti-white bias of the Democrat Party,

against the flood of illegal immigrants who require welfare
against bringing millions of unvetted Muslim refugees from war-indoctrinated nations,
against redistribution of wealth,
against the failed Liberal welfare industry,
against being dictated to by the United Nothings,
against a failed Liberal education industry,

...and for the slim possibility of a rebirth of America.




"When secular leftists express frustration at how practicing Catholics (your humble servants) and evangelicals could ever vote for Donald Trump, the first thing they refuse to concede is the horror of the alternative.

They refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton clearly, forthrightly stood for abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason and even supported it having it funded by pro-life taxpayers. It’s what she and her husband called “safe, legal and rare.” Hillary and her crew even dismissed the videotaped baby-organ-selling grotesqueries of Planned Parenthood as somehow fictional. And they refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton represented the creeping extremism of the LGBT movement, with its emphasis on redesigning all the nation’s bathrooms, not to mention human nature."
Bozell & Graham Column: The Book Against Transgender Extremism




“Job growth surges by 312,000 in December” Job growth surges by 312,000 in December


"Unemployment hits 49-year low as US employers step up hiring"
Unemployment hits 49-year low as US employers step up hiring


"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. "
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports®


"Hispanic Unemployment Rate Sets New Record Low in April"
Hispanic Unemployment Rate Sets New Record Low in April

"Unemployment Rate for Women Falls to Lowest Since 1953"
Unemployment Rate for Women Falls to Lowest Since 1953 | Breitbart

"Lowest unemployment in 19 years for workers without bachelor's degrees in April"
Lowest unemployment in 19 years for workers without bachelor's degrees in April


“Black unemployment rate falls to 5.9%, ties record low hit earlier this year” Black unemployment rate falls to 5.9%, ties record low hit earlier this year





You must be quite the dunce not to have caught on yet.

You are the dunce. Trump won because he was not Clinton. 25% of voters voted against the other candidate and that vote gave Trump the win.

The fact is that voters oppose most of Trump's policies which include taxes, healthcare, immigration, border security and foreign policy. Even now, Trump's trade policies are hurting the world and US economy. Manufacturing is in a recession.

Rasmussen's last poll of likely voters in 2018 gave Republicans a 1 point edge in the generic ballot. They missed by 9 points.

So you're predicting a Trump loss in the election????


You figure this is what America wants????


1. America would fall back to this:
“Team Obama: Sorry, America, the ‘new normal’ may be here to stay

The good times may be over for good. In a speech to the Economic Club of New York yesterday, US Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said the US GDP growth rate, adjusted for inflation, is now projected to run a little above 2% a year.”
Team Obama: Sorry, America, the 'new normal' may be here to stay - AEI


2. The hard working American taxpayer would pay for illegal alien's healthcare

3. There'd be no penalty for sneaking over the border.....no sovereignty.

4. The world's worst state sponsor of terrorism would have nuclear weapons.

5. Infanticide, post-birth abortion, would be legalized

6. Taxes would be increased and tax cuts reversed

7. Sharia would become de rigueur

8. Free speech would be outlawed as 'hate speech.

9. Jewish persons would have to find shelter elsewhere

10. We could look forward to the end of private health insurance, reparations for slavery and drug dealers, financial security for those who ‘don’t care to work,’ abortion rights for 'transwomen (men), and packing the Supreme Court.




Speak up, dolt.

Dolt??? You have the nerve to call someone a dolt after posting this pile of crap?

There is no one pushing legalized infanticide. You are so stupid you could not understand what the Gov of Maryland said.

Then you took a sad situation for a family & lied about it accusing them of murder,.

You are one sick disgusting poor excuse for human being.

"There is no one pushing legalized infanticide.



So this is why you're known as RealDumb???


1. Obama voted for infanticide
Obama selected as his science adviser one who favored not just infantice....but slaughter months after birth.


2. The facts are that the major political party is actually a supporter of infanticide. On the other side of the aisle, Trump rails against this barbarism:

Trump “described what happens to a child after she is born alive following a failed abortion, saying, “The baby is born. The mother meets with the doctor, they take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby. I don't think so. It's incredible.”
What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.




Hussein Obama supported infanticide...wouldn't vote to support the baby.

Obama named Peter Singer, champion of infanticide, as his 'science adviser.'
The Democrat administration in Virginia offered a law for...in favor of....infanticide....stopped by Republicans.

The Democrat governor of Virginia actually agreed with the bill for infanticide.

"New York abortion law changes allow infanticide"
New York abortion law changes allow infanticide

"Anti-infanticide bill blocked by Senate Democrats"
Senate Democrats block Republicans’ anti-infanticide bill




3. Here’s the context. One of the major selling points of the Left/Democrats is that no personal responsibility is ever required, up to an including taking responsibility for creating a new and unique human being. So, if one does, no prob: kill it and more on.

Somehow this is meant to resonate with women who make a ‘mistake,’ and want the right to eradicate it.

Almost 99 % of all abortions are for nothing more than convenience. And this is perfectly alright for the Left.



That's the reality.



4. There is no way to separate abortion from infanticide for this reason: what if a child is born as a result of an unsuccessful attempted abortion?


And, as several states now allow abortion up to the moment of birth,… “The state of New York recently passed a horrific new abortion law removing almost all previous restrictions. The law now allows abortions to be performed up to the point of natural birth by physicians and also by some non-physician health care practitioners. It also removes protections for babies who accidentally survive an abortion procedure.” New York abortion law changes allow infanticide



"7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York"
7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York






…..the result of what happens to that child is included here:


“The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.”

Infanticide | Definition of Infanticide by Lexico




There is no dancing around it. It is infanticide.



If abortion up until the last minute is sanctioned, there is no way to prevent it from becoming infanticide.




5. “…what happens to a baby when she survives an abortion attempt? Is she given medical care as any other patient would receive, or is she left to die?.... the abortion industry and the media have tiptoed around the basic question.


Trump’s statement was only recalling what Virginia [Democrat] Gov. Ralph Northam said: “I can tell you exactly what happens: If a mother is in labor…the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and mother.”


6. So, according to [Democrat] Gov. Northam, whether a newborn gets the chance to live or not is a matter for “discussion.” Precious moments slip by as the infant is fighting for her life on the delivery table, but the mother and doctor are discussing whether or not she should live? At this point we are no longer talking about abortion or a woman’s body. We are talking about a child who has clearly become the patient.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.






This is the position of the Democrat Party:

"...whether a newborn gets the chance to live or not is a matter for “discussion.”

"...the infant is fighting for her life on the delivery table,..."


It's called infanticide. That's the reality.



"When secular leftists express frustration at how practicing Catholics (your humble servants) and evangelicals could ever vote for Donald Trump, the first thing they refuse to concede is the horror of the alternative.


They refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton clearly, forthrightly stood for abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason and even supported it having it funded by pro-life taxpayers.

It’s what she and her husband called “safe, legal and rare.” Hillary and her crew even dismissed the videotaped baby-organ-selling grotesqueries of Planned Parenthood as somehow fictional. And they refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton represented the creeping extremism of the LGBT movement, with its emphasis on redesigning all the nation’s bathrooms, not to mention human nature."
Bozell & Graham Column: The Book Against Transgender Extremism



It is a defining principle of Leftism that they can alter human nature.



Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia




Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] :

"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will"
New Soviet man - Wikipedia



In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.”
-http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html




“Human nature is the one constant through human history. It is always there.”

--Thucydides


7. “What happens when the mother and doctor decide not to let the infant live?
Do they withhold care and let the infant die on its own or do they kill the infant? And how?
The media claims Trump’s comment is incorrect, but no one in the abortion industry will answer the question.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.



Democrat Governor Northam
“So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he went on. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”


Soooo......liar.....what are the possible outcomes of that 'discussion'????????


If the "the mother and the family desired," could the boy or girl be left to die???????





Would it be consistent with the Democrat infanticide law?????

You betcha' it would.



8. In a recent thread, one of the apologists for the slaughter of the unborn decided the death sentence was decided in the very same way an earlier Democrat Party decided on the humanity: location.

If the slave were in Mississippi, he had no rights up to and including life. But, if the same person were residing in Connecticut, bingo! Freedom, and the right to live.



It appears the same test is the basis for life and liberty of the prospective chid.

When asked “What is the argument for the "right" of a woman to authorize the killing of her unborn baby that would not apply to her authorizing the similar slaughter of a year old that she was breastfeeding?”

This Philistine answered:

“One is the contents of her body. The other isn't.” Dehumanization of the Left





The ‘magical’ birth canal imparts ‘life.’ Don’t make it to the finish line……death.


But what if the baby ‘accidentally’ makes it across that finish line?

=====================================================================================

9.” In progressive Pennsylvania, here was a doctor, Kermit Gosnell, an African-American, he’s in his early 70s now, who ran an abortion clinic for 30 years, where he routinely, and these are not my words, this is the grand jury’s words, where he routinely delivered babies alive and then cut their necks with scissors.

And he did this for 30 years. That’s why in the eyes of the grand jury and also ABC’s Terry Moran, he was described as America’s biggest serial killer,…”
The True Story of Kermit Gosnell and His Victims





“…in the Kermit Gosnell trial (which received very little media attention), eye-witnesses testified that babies were moving and breathing before their spinal cords were cut; others were flushed in toilets or were thrown in the garbage with a shoebox for a coffin--while still alive inside!
The fact is, babies can survive abortion attempts.

The CDC tells us that, between 2003-2014, at least 143 infants died after being born alive during an abortion procedure, and the report even admits that this number is underestimated.

That’s an average of one infant a month! According to the report, some of these infants hung on to life for more than 24 hours after the induced abortion before they died!”
What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.





Is it murder?

America’s greatest serial killer, Dr. Kermit Gosnell.

“Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Guilty of Murder in Late-Term Procedures” Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Guilty of Murder in Late-Term Procedures



Convicted of first degree murder, and now, everything that Gosnell was convicted of is legal in NY….

....thanks to Democrats.



10. “When babies survive abortion, they will be either intentionally kept alive or intentionally put to death. There’s no in-between.….Congress needs to pass the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would add enforcement mechanisms to prosecute doctors who deny life-saving medical care to infants who survive abortion - putting an end to birth day abortions.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.




11. To prove that the Democrats are the assassins, the Republicans have a plan to make them reveal it:

"Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) introduced the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would provide medical care to babies born after botched abortions. Doctors would be required to provide medical care to a baby who survived an abortion, just as they would with any other patient. If doctors failed to provide care he or she would face criminal charges.
"I want to ask each and every one of my colleagues whether or not we're OK with infanticide," Sasse asked his colleagues.

But when the bill came to the Senate floor for a vote on Monday, Democrats filibustered."
Disgusting: Dems Prove, Once Again, They Support Infanticide With Their Latest Filibuster



Filibustered to defeat the proposal….exactly what the Democrats did to stop the attempts by the Republicans to get the vote for women (1919) and the same ploy the Democrats used to block every anti-lynching law (1920-1940).





"...all six Democrats running for president in 2020 voted against the bill. The list includes Sens. Cory Booker (NJ), Sherrod Brown (OH), Kirsten Gillibrand (NY), Kamala Harris (CA.), Amy Klobuchar (MN), and Elizabeth Warren (MA.). Independent Bernie Sanders (VT) also voted in line with Democrats." Ibid.

That bill in the IL Senate that you are talking about was just a ploy.

Babies were ALREADY PROTECTED under Illinois law.

QUIT YOUR FUCKING LYING.

I'll skip the rest of your lies.

Under number 11, if you were pregnant with a severely disabled without any chance of survival, you would force those parents & trheir infant child to go through efforts to keep that baby alive even though there is no hope. That is torture.

When this happens, to allow the baby to die in peace in their parents arms is the only thing to do.

You call those parents murderers.

That shows how ignorant you people really are.

To allow someone without any hope to survive to die is like pulling the plug on a patient on life support. You call that murder.

You are one sick, ignorant piece of shit.

"That bill in the IL Senate that you are talking about was just a ploy.

Babies were ALREADY PROTECTED under Illinois law."

Why would that prevent voting for it, you moron????



....but this excuse for voting against it avoids the fact that Congress regularly passes redundant bills….especially if there is a moral basis for same: last week the Congress unanimously passes an anti-lynching bill…..even though lynching is against the law throughout the country.

Yet the Democrats blocked- would not allow consideration of- a bill that would prevent the murder of innocent, defenseless babies.
There is no excuse.



Nor is there an excuse for your vulgarity every time I stuff your lies back down your throat.


Must be your upbringing, huh?

 

[RealDave]

You are the dunce. Trump won because he was not Clinton. 25% of voters voted against the other candidate and that vote gave Trump the win.

The fact is that voters oppose most of Trump's policies which include taxes, healthcare, immigration, border security and foreign policy. Even now, Trump's trade policies are hurting the world and US economy. Manufacturing is in a recession.

Rasmussen's last poll of likely voters in 2018 gave Republicans a 1 point edge in the generic ballot. They missed by 9 points.

So you're predicting a Trump loss in the election????


You figure this is what America wants????


1. America would fall back to this:
“Team Obama: Sorry, America, the ‘new normal’ may be here to stay

The good times may be over for good. In a speech to the Economic Club of New York yesterday, US Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said the US GDP growth rate, adjusted for inflation, is now projected to run a little above 2% a year.”
Team Obama: Sorry, America, the 'new normal' may be here to stay - AEI


2. The hard working American taxpayer would pay for illegal alien's healthcare

3. There'd be no penalty for sneaking over the border.....no sovereignty.

4. The world's worst state sponsor of terrorism would have nuclear weapons.

5. Infanticide, post-birth abortion, would be legalized

6. Taxes would be increased and tax cuts reversed

7. Sharia would become de rigueur

8. Free speech would be outlawed as 'hate speech.

9. Jewish persons would have to find shelter elsewhere

10. We could look forward to the end of private health insurance, reparations for slavery and drug dealers, financial security for those who ‘don’t care to work,’ abortion rights for 'transwomen (men), and packing the Supreme Court.




Speak up, dolt.

Dolt??? You have the nerve to call someone a dolt after posting this pile of crap?

There is no one pushing legalized infanticide. You are so stupid you could not understand what the Gov of Maryland said.

Then you took a sad situation for a family & lied about it accusing them of murder,.

You are one sick disgusting poor excuse for human being.

"There is no one pushing legalized infanticide.



So this is why you're known as RealDumb???


1. Obama voted for infanticide
Obama selected as his science adviser one who favored not just infantice....but slaughter months after birth.


2. The facts are that the major political party is actually a supporter of infanticide. On the other side of the aisle, Trump rails against this barbarism:

Trump “described what happens to a child after she is born alive following a failed abortion, saying, “The baby is born. The mother meets with the doctor, they take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby. I don't think so. It's incredible.”
What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.




Hussein Obama supported infanticide...wouldn't vote to support the baby.

Obama named Peter Singer, champion of infanticide, as his 'science adviser.'
The Democrat administration in Virginia offered a law for...in favor of....infanticide....stopped by Republicans.

The Democrat governor of Virginia actually agreed with the bill for infanticide.

"New York abortion law changes allow infanticide"
New York abortion law changes allow infanticide

"Anti-infanticide bill blocked by Senate Democrats"
Senate Democrats block Republicans’ anti-infanticide bill




3. Here’s the context. One of the major selling points of the Left/Democrats is that no personal responsibility is ever required, up to an including taking responsibility for creating a new and unique human being. So, if one does, no prob: kill it and more on.

Somehow this is meant to resonate with women who make a ‘mistake,’ and want the right to eradicate it.

Almost 99 % of all abortions are for nothing more than convenience. And this is perfectly alright for the Left.



That's the reality.



4. There is no way to separate abortion from infanticide for this reason: what if a child is born as a result of an unsuccessful attempted abortion?


And, as several states now allow abortion up to the moment of birth,… “The state of New York recently passed a horrific new abortion law removing almost all previous restrictions. The law now allows abortions to be performed up to the point of natural birth by physicians and also by some non-physician health care practitioners. It also removes protections for babies who accidentally survive an abortion procedure.” New York abortion law changes allow infanticide



"7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York"
7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York






…..the result of what happens to that child is included here:


“The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.”

Infanticide | Definition of Infanticide by Lexico




There is no dancing around it. It is infanticide.



If abortion up until the last minute is sanctioned, there is no way to prevent it from becoming infanticide.




5. “…what happens to a baby when she survives an abortion attempt? Is she given medical care as any other patient would receive, or is she left to die?.... the abortion industry and the media have tiptoed around the basic question.


Trump’s statement was only recalling what Virginia [Democrat] Gov. Ralph Northam said: “I can tell you exactly what happens: If a mother is in labor…the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and mother.”


6. So, according to [Democrat] Gov. Northam, whether a newborn gets the chance to live or not is a matter for “discussion.” Precious moments slip by as the infant is fighting for her life on the delivery table, but the mother and doctor are discussing whether or not she should live? At this point we are no longer talking about abortion or a woman’s body. We are talking about a child who has clearly become the patient.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.






This is the position of the Democrat Party:

"...whether a newborn gets the chance to live or not is a matter for “discussion.”

"...the infant is fighting for her life on the delivery table,..."


It's called infanticide. That's the reality.



"When secular leftists express frustration at how practicing Catholics (your humble servants) and evangelicals could ever vote for Donald Trump, the first thing they refuse to concede is the horror of the alternative.


They refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton clearly, forthrightly stood for abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason and even supported it having it funded by pro-life taxpayers.

It’s what she and her husband called “safe, legal and rare.” Hillary and her crew even dismissed the videotaped baby-organ-selling grotesqueries of Planned Parenthood as somehow fictional. And they refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton represented the creeping extremism of the LGBT movement, with its emphasis on redesigning all the nation’s bathrooms, not to mention human nature."
Bozell & Graham Column: The Book Against Transgender Extremism



It is a defining principle of Leftism that they can alter human nature.



Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia




Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] :

"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will"
New Soviet man - Wikipedia



In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.”
-http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html




“Human nature is the one constant through human history. It is always there.”

--Thucydides


7. “What happens when the mother and doctor decide not to let the infant live?
Do they withhold care and let the infant die on its own or do they kill the infant? And how?
The media claims Trump’s comment is incorrect, but no one in the abortion industry will answer the question.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.



Democrat Governor Northam
“So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he went on. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”


Soooo......liar.....what are the possible outcomes of that 'discussion'????????


If the "the mother and the family desired," could the boy or girl be left to die???????





Would it be consistent with the Democrat infanticide law?????

You betcha' it would.



8. In a recent thread, one of the apologists for the slaughter of the unborn decided the death sentence was decided in the very same way an earlier Democrat Party decided on the humanity: location.

If the slave were in Mississippi, he had no rights up to and including life. But, if the same person were residing in Connecticut, bingo! Freedom, and the right to live.



It appears the same test is the basis for life and liberty of the prospective chid.

When asked “What is the argument for the "right" of a woman to authorize the killing of her unborn baby that would not apply to her authorizing the similar slaughter of a year old that she was breastfeeding?”

This Philistine answered:

“One is the contents of her body. The other isn't.” Dehumanization of the Left





The ‘magical’ birth canal imparts ‘life.’ Don’t make it to the finish line……death.


But what if the baby ‘accidentally’ makes it across that finish line?

=====================================================================================

9.” In progressive Pennsylvania, here was a doctor, Kermit Gosnell, an African-American, he’s in his early 70s now, who ran an abortion clinic for 30 years, where he routinely, and these are not my words, this is the grand jury’s words, where he routinely delivered babies alive and then cut their necks with scissors.

And he did this for 30 years. That’s why in the eyes of the grand jury and also ABC’s Terry Moran, he was described as America’s biggest serial killer,…”
The True Story of Kermit Gosnell and His Victims





“…in the Kermit Gosnell trial (which received very little media attention), eye-witnesses testified that babies were moving and breathing before their spinal cords were cut; others were flushed in toilets or were thrown in the garbage with a shoebox for a coffin--while still alive inside!
The fact is, babies can survive abortion attempts.

The CDC tells us that, between 2003-2014, at least 143 infants died after being born alive during an abortion procedure, and the report even admits that this number is underestimated.

That’s an average of one infant a month! According to the report, some of these infants hung on to life for more than 24 hours after the induced abortion before they died!”
What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.





Is it murder?

America’s greatest serial killer, Dr. Kermit Gosnell.

“Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Guilty of Murder in Late-Term Procedures” Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Guilty of Murder in Late-Term Procedures



Convicted of first degree murder, and now, everything that Gosnell was convicted of is legal in NY….

....thanks to Democrats.



10. “When babies survive abortion, they will be either intentionally kept alive or intentionally put to death. There’s no in-between.….Congress needs to pass the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would add enforcement mechanisms to prosecute doctors who deny life-saving medical care to infants who survive abortion - putting an end to birth day abortions.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.




11. To prove that the Democrats are the assassins, the Republicans have a plan to make them reveal it:

"Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) introduced the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would provide medical care to babies born after botched abortions. Doctors would be required to provide medical care to a baby who survived an abortion, just as they would with any other patient. If doctors failed to provide care he or she would face criminal charges.
"I want to ask each and every one of my colleagues whether or not we're OK with infanticide," Sasse asked his colleagues.

But when the bill came to the Senate floor for a vote on Monday, Democrats filibustered."
Disgusting: Dems Prove, Once Again, They Support Infanticide With Their Latest Filibuster



Filibustered to defeat the proposal….exactly what the Democrats did to stop the attempts by the Republicans to get the vote for women (1919) and the same ploy the Democrats used to block every anti-lynching law (1920-1940).





"...all six Democrats running for president in 2020 voted against the bill. The list includes Sens. Cory Booker (NJ), Sherrod Brown (OH), Kirsten Gillibrand (NY), Kamala Harris (CA.), Amy Klobuchar (MN), and Elizabeth Warren (MA.). Independent Bernie Sanders (VT) also voted in line with Democrats." Ibid.

That bill in the IL Senate that you are talking about was just a ploy.

Babies were ALREADY PROTECTED under Illinois law.

QUIT YOUR FUCKING LYING.

I'll skip the rest of your lies.

Under number 11, if you were pregnant with a severely disabled without any chance of survival, you would force those parents & trheir infant child to go through efforts to keep that baby alive even though there is no hope. That is torture.

When this happens, to allow the baby to die in peace in their parents arms is the only thing to do.

You call those parents murderers.

That shows how ignorant you people really are.

To allow someone without any hope to survive to die is like pulling the plug on a patient on life support. You call that murder.

You are one sick, ignorant piece of shit.

"That bill in the IL Senate that you are talking about was just a ploy.

Babies were ALREADY PROTECTED under Illinois law."

Why would that prevent voting for it, you moron????



....but this excuse for voting against it avoids the fact that Congress regularly passes redundant bills….especially if there is a moral basis for same: last week the Congress unanimously passes an anti-lynching bill…..even though lynching is against the law throughout the country.

Yet the Democrats blocked- would not allow consideration of- a bill that would prevent the murder of innocent, defenseless babies.
There is no excuse.



Nor is there an excuse for your vulgarity every time I stuff your lies back down your throat.


Must be your upbringing, huh?

I'll spend time freely with people that say fuck but not liars like you.

You are just plain ignorant.


And again, allowing babies with NO HOPE of survival die in peace & then call their parents murderers is exactly what a low life piece of shit you really are.

So FUCK you & Fuck your ignorance & Fuck your lies & Fuck your pretend caring about my language.

You voted for Donald Trump who says fuck, grabs women by the pussy, assaults women, and raped ac You must love it.


That Illinois Senate bill also hjanged some lanquage that woulds help the anti-abortionists in the future,

It was a Ploy.

You can lie about this like you do with every one of your posts.

You are wrong.

 

[RealDave]

You are the dunce. Trump won because he was not Clinton. 25% of voters voted against the other candidate and that vote gave Trump the win.

The fact is that voters oppose most of Trump's policies which include taxes, healthcare, immigration, border security and foreign policy. Even now, Trump's trade policies are hurting the world and US economy. Manufacturing is in a recession.

Rasmussen's last poll of likely voters in 2018 gave Republicans a 1 point edge in the generic ballot. They missed by 9 points.

So you're predicting a Trump loss in the election????


You figure this is what America wants????


1. America would fall back to this:
“Team Obama: Sorry, America, the ‘new normal’ may be here to stay

The good times may be over for good. In a speech to the Economic Club of New York yesterday, US Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said the US GDP growth rate, adjusted for inflation, is now projected to run a little above 2% a year.”
Team Obama: Sorry, America, the 'new normal' may be here to stay - AEI


2. The hard working American taxpayer would pay for illegal alien's healthcare

3. There'd be no penalty for sneaking over the border.....no sovereignty.

4. The world's worst state sponsor of terrorism would have nuclear weapons.

5. Infanticide, post-birth abortion, would be legalized

6. Taxes would be increased and tax cuts reversed

7. Sharia would become de rigueur

8. Free speech would be outlawed as 'hate speech.

9. Jewish persons would have to find shelter elsewhere

10. We could look forward to the end of private health insurance, reparations for slavery and drug dealers, financial security for those who ‘don’t care to work,’ abortion rights for 'transwomen (men), and packing the Supreme Court.




Speak up, dolt.

Dolt??? You have the nerve to call someone a dolt after posting this pile of crap?

There is no one pushing legalized infanticide. You are so stupid you could not understand what the Gov of Maryland said.

Then you took a sad situation for a family & lied about it accusing them of murder,.

You are one sick disgusting poor excuse for human being.

"There is no one pushing legalized infanticide.



So this is why you're known as RealDumb???


1. Obama voted for infanticide
Obama selected as his science adviser one who favored not just infantice....but slaughter months after birth.


2. The facts are that the major political party is actually a supporter of infanticide. On the other side of the aisle, Trump rails against this barbarism:

Trump “described what happens to a child after she is born alive following a failed abortion, saying, “The baby is born. The mother meets with the doctor, they take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby. I don't think so. It's incredible.”
What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.




Hussein Obama supported infanticide...wouldn't vote to support the baby.

Obama named Peter Singer, champion of infanticide, as his 'science adviser.'
The Democrat administration in Virginia offered a law for...in favor of....infanticide....stopped by Republicans.

The Democrat governor of Virginia actually agreed with the bill for infanticide.

"New York abortion law changes allow infanticide"
New York abortion law changes allow infanticide

"Anti-infanticide bill blocked by Senate Democrats"
Senate Democrats block Republicans’ anti-infanticide bill




3. Here’s the context. One of the major selling points of the Left/Democrats is that no personal responsibility is ever required, up to an including taking responsibility for creating a new and unique human being. So, if one does, no prob: kill it and more on.

Somehow this is meant to resonate with women who make a ‘mistake,’ and want the right to eradicate it.

Almost 99 % of all abortions are for nothing more than convenience. And this is perfectly alright for the Left.



That's the reality.



4. There is no way to separate abortion from infanticide for this reason: what if a child is born as a result of an unsuccessful attempted abortion?


And, as several states now allow abortion up to the moment of birth,… “The state of New York recently passed a horrific new abortion law removing almost all previous restrictions. The law now allows abortions to be performed up to the point of natural birth by physicians and also by some non-physician health care practitioners. It also removes protections for babies who accidentally survive an abortion procedure.” New York abortion law changes allow infanticide



"7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York"
7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York






…..the result of what happens to that child is included here:


“The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.”

Infanticide | Definition of Infanticide by Lexico




There is no dancing around it. It is infanticide.



If abortion up until the last minute is sanctioned, there is no way to prevent it from becoming infanticide.




5. “…what happens to a baby when she survives an abortion attempt? Is she given medical care as any other patient would receive, or is she left to die?.... the abortion industry and the media have tiptoed around the basic question.


Trump’s statement was only recalling what Virginia [Democrat] Gov. Ralph Northam said: “I can tell you exactly what happens: If a mother is in labor…the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and mother.”


6. So, according to [Democrat] Gov. Northam, whether a newborn gets the chance to live or not is a matter for “discussion.” Precious moments slip by as the infant is fighting for her life on the delivery table, but the mother and doctor are discussing whether or not she should live? At this point we are no longer talking about abortion or a woman’s body. We are talking about a child who has clearly become the patient.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.






This is the position of the Democrat Party:

"...whether a newborn gets the chance to live or not is a matter for “discussion.”

"...the infant is fighting for her life on the delivery table,..."


It's called infanticide. That's the reality.



"When secular leftists express frustration at how practicing Catholics (your humble servants) and evangelicals could ever vote for Donald Trump, the first thing they refuse to concede is the horror of the alternative.


They refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton clearly, forthrightly stood for abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason and even supported it having it funded by pro-life taxpayers.

It’s what she and her husband called “safe, legal and rare.” Hillary and her crew even dismissed the videotaped baby-organ-selling grotesqueries of Planned Parenthood as somehow fictional. And they refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton represented the creeping extremism of the LGBT movement, with its emphasis on redesigning all the nation’s bathrooms, not to mention human nature."
Bozell & Graham Column: The Book Against Transgender Extremism



It is a defining principle of Leftism that they can alter human nature.



Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia




Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] :

"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will"
New Soviet man - Wikipedia



In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.”
-http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html




“Human nature is the one constant through human history. It is always there.”

--Thucydides


7. “What happens when the mother and doctor decide not to let the infant live?
Do they withhold care and let the infant die on its own or do they kill the infant? And how?
The media claims Trump’s comment is incorrect, but no one in the abortion industry will answer the question.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.



Democrat Governor Northam
“So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he went on. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”


Soooo......liar.....what are the possible outcomes of that 'discussion'????????


If the "the mother and the family desired," could the boy or girl be left to die???????





Would it be consistent with the Democrat infanticide law?????

You betcha' it would.



8. In a recent thread, one of the apologists for the slaughter of the unborn decided the death sentence was decided in the very same way an earlier Democrat Party decided on the humanity: location.

If the slave were in Mississippi, he had no rights up to and including life. But, if the same person were residing in Connecticut, bingo! Freedom, and the right to live.



It appears the same test is the basis for life and liberty of the prospective chid.

When asked “What is the argument for the "right" of a woman to authorize the killing of her unborn baby that would not apply to her authorizing the similar slaughter of a year old that she was breastfeeding?”

This Philistine answered:

“One is the contents of her body. The other isn't.” Dehumanization of the Left





The ‘magical’ birth canal imparts ‘life.’ Don’t make it to the finish line……death.


But what if the baby ‘accidentally’ makes it across that finish line?

=====================================================================================

9.” In progressive Pennsylvania, here was a doctor, Kermit Gosnell, an African-American, he’s in his early 70s now, who ran an abortion clinic for 30 years, where he routinely, and these are not my words, this is the grand jury’s words, where he routinely delivered babies alive and then cut their necks with scissors.

And he did this for 30 years. That’s why in the eyes of the grand jury and also ABC’s Terry Moran, he was described as America’s biggest serial killer,…”
The True Story of Kermit Gosnell and His Victims





“…in the Kermit Gosnell trial (which received very little media attention), eye-witnesses testified that babies were moving and breathing before their spinal cords were cut; others were flushed in toilets or were thrown in the garbage with a shoebox for a coffin--while still alive inside!
The fact is, babies can survive abortion attempts.

The CDC tells us that, between 2003-2014, at least 143 infants died after being born alive during an abortion procedure, and the report even admits that this number is underestimated.

That’s an average of one infant a month! According to the report, some of these infants hung on to life for more than 24 hours after the induced abortion before they died!”
What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.





Is it murder?

America’s greatest serial killer, Dr. Kermit Gosnell.

“Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Guilty of Murder in Late-Term Procedures” Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Guilty of Murder in Late-Term Procedures



Convicted of first degree murder, and now, everything that Gosnell was convicted of is legal in NY….

....thanks to Democrats.



10. “When babies survive abortion, they will be either intentionally kept alive or intentionally put to death. There’s no in-between.….Congress needs to pass the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would add enforcement mechanisms to prosecute doctors who deny life-saving medical care to infants who survive abortion - putting an end to birth day abortions.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.




11. To prove that the Democrats are the assassins, the Republicans have a plan to make them reveal it:

"Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) introduced the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would provide medical care to babies born after botched abortions. Doctors would be required to provide medical care to a baby who survived an abortion, just as they would with any other patient. If doctors failed to provide care he or she would face criminal charges.
"I want to ask each and every one of my colleagues whether or not we're OK with infanticide," Sasse asked his colleagues.

But when the bill came to the Senate floor for a vote on Monday, Democrats filibustered."
Disgusting: Dems Prove, Once Again, They Support Infanticide With Their Latest Filibuster



Filibustered to defeat the proposal….exactly what the Democrats did to stop the attempts by the Republicans to get the vote for women (1919) and the same ploy the Democrats used to block every anti-lynching law (1920-1940).





"...all six Democrats running for president in 2020 voted against the bill. The list includes Sens. Cory Booker (NJ), Sherrod Brown (OH), Kirsten Gillibrand (NY), Kamala Harris (CA.), Amy Klobuchar (MN), and Elizabeth Warren (MA.). Independent Bernie Sanders (VT) also voted in line with Democrats." Ibid.

That bill in the IL Senate that you are talking about was just a ploy.

Babies were ALREADY PROTECTED under Illinois law.

QUIT YOUR FUCKING LYING.

I'll skip the rest of your lies.

Under number 11, if you were pregnant with a severely disabled without any chance of survival, you would force those parents & trheir infant child to go through efforts to keep that baby alive even though there is no hope. That is torture.

When this happens, to allow the baby to die in peace in their parents arms is the only thing to do.

You call those parents murderers.

That shows how ignorant you people really are.

To allow someone without any hope to survive to die is like pulling the plug on a patient on life support. You call that murder.

You are one sick, ignorant piece of shit.

"That bill in the IL Senate that you are talking about was just a ploy.

Babies were ALREADY PROTECTED under Illinois law."

Why would that prevent voting for it, you moron????



....but this excuse for voting against it avoids the fact that Congress regularly passes redundant bills….especially if there is a moral basis for same: last week the Congress unanimously passes an anti-lynching bill…..even though lynching is against the law throughout the country.

Yet the Democrats blocked- would not allow consideration of- a bill that would prevent the murder of innocent, defenseless babies.
There is no excuse.



Nor is there an excuse for your vulgarity every time I stuff your lies back down your throat.


Must be your upbringing, huh?

How about this:

Fuck you, Fuck your ignorance. Fuck your lies & fuck your pretend giving a shit about my language.

You voted for Donald Trump who says fuck, who grabs women by the pussy, assaults women, and is accused of raping a 14 year old girl. So don't you dare pretend to give a shit about my language.

 

[Moonglow]

1. Of course, that is the mission of government school, owned and operated by Democrats/Progressives.
The Kurd kerfuffle is a case in point.
Trump promised disengagement from the perpetual wars of the Middle East....who complained then?

Now, saving American soldier's lives isn't important.



2. America made promises....in writing.....to the Ukraine, which Hussein didn't choose to fulfill,
....we'd protect them from a Russian invasion if they turned over nuclear weapons....

...and you had no problem with his refusal.....but now you choose to support Marxists and use this move as a cudgel to beat an American President.

On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state.
Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine




3. Who, exactly are we there to defend???

A quick trip to Wikipedia:

"The Kurdistan Workers' Party or PKK (Kurdish: Partiya Karkerên Kurdistanê‎[a]) is a Kurdish far-left militant and political organization based in Turkey and Iraq. Since 1984 the PKK has been involved in an armed conflict with the Turkish state (with a two-year cease-fire during 2013–2015), with the initial aim of achieving an independent Kurdish state, later changing it to a demand for equal rights and Kurdish autonomy in Turkey.[16][17][18][19]

The PKK was founded in 1978 in the village of Fis (near Lice) by a group of Kurdish students led by Abdullah Öcalan[20] and 1979 it made its existence known to tthehe public.[21]The PKK's ideology was originally a fusion of revolutionary socialism and Kurdish nationalism, seeking the foundation of an independent Communist state in the region,....

Ideology Kurdish nationalism[1]
Communalism
Democratic confederalism[2]
Libertarian socialism[3]
Jineology
Anti-capitalism"
Kurdistan Workers' Party - Wikipedia

Just what the Democrat Party stands for, too.




4. "Christian Fighters Abandon Anti-ISIS Kurd Group Because It's Communist
... many of the most motivated Western fighters are Christian crusaders eager to defeat the armies of Muhammad, but they were shocked to learn they'd joined up with a bunch of Kurdish atheist commies to do it:
Christian Fighters Abandon Anti-ISIS Kurd Group Because It's Communist



QED....if you know nothing, you'll fall for anything.

A Trumpette calling others uneducated is like Danny Devito mocking people for being short.

We save soldiers lives by establishing allies that join us in war.

When Trump abandoned the Kurds in Syria, who will trust us again? How with that save soldier's lives?

Turkey has always wanted to attack the Kurds in Syria. The US blocked it. Trump pulled us out. When the kurds are attacked, Trump will not do shit to Turkey's economy because there is a Trump Tower in Istanbul..

You'd like your turn to be spanked???


Sure thing, RealDumb.....see if you can find anything....ANYTHING.....not 100% true, accurate and correct:


1. Of course, that is the mission of government school, owned and operated by Democrats/Progressives.
The Kurd kerfuffle is a case in point.
Trump promised disengagement from the perpetual wars of the Middle East....who complained then?

Now, saving American soldier's lives isn't important.



2. America made promises....in writing.....to the Ukraine, which Hussein didn't choose to fulfill,
....we'd protect them from a Russian invasion if they turned over nuclear weapons....

...and you had no problem with his refusal.....but now you choose to support Marxists and use this move as a cudgel to beat an American President.

On December 5, 1994 the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Britain and the United States signed a memorandum to provide Ukraine with security assurances in connection with its accession to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapon state.
Nuclear weapons and Ukraine - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine




3. Who, exactly are we there to defend???

A quick trip to Wikipedia:

"The Kurdistan Workers' Party or PKK (Kurdish: Partiya Karkerên Kurdistanê‎[a]) is a Kurdish far-left militant and political organization based in Turkey and Iraq. Since 1984 the PKK has been involved in an armed conflict with the Turkish state (with a two-year cease-fire during 2013–2015), with the initial aim of achieving an independent Kurdish state, later changing it to a demand for equal rights and Kurdish autonomy in Turkey.[16][17][18][19]

The PKK was founded in 1978 in the village of Fis (near Lice) by a group of Kurdish students led by Abdullah Öcalan[20] and 1979 it made its existence known to tthehe public.[21]The PKK's ideology was originally a fusion of revolutionary socialism and Kurdish nationalism, seeking the foundation of an independent Communist state in the region,....

Ideology Kurdish nationalism[1]
Communalism
Democratic confederalism[2]
Libertarian socialism[3]
Jineology
Anti-capitalism"
Kurdistan Workers' Party - Wikipedia

Just what the Democrat Party stands for, too.




4. "Christian Fighters Abandon Anti-ISIS Kurd Group Because It's Communist
... many of the most motivated Western fighters are Christian crusaders eager to defeat the armies of Muhammad, but they were shocked to learn they'd joined up with a bunch of Kurdish atheist commies to do it:
Christian Fighters Abandon Anti-ISIS Kurd Group Because It's Communist



QED....if you know nothing, you'll fall for anything.

You voted for Trump so I'd quit accusing people of falling for stuff.

So, when Obama pulled troops from Iraq, you ilk had a fit. even though he had no option at that time.

Trump said he would bring our troops home. But there are ways to do this without screwing over our allies.

how's he screwing our allies? he's removing the circular issue between the kurds and Turkey, you know we must defend Turkey if the kurds attack them? you know that correct? please tell me you looked it up.

How many times has the US rushed in troops to fight the PKK when they have launched attacks on Turkey?

 

[Moonglow]

So you're predicting a Trump loss in the election????


You figure this is what America wants????


1. America would fall back to this:
“Team Obama: Sorry, America, the ‘new normal’ may be here to stay

The good times may be over for good. In a speech to the Economic Club of New York yesterday, US Treasury Secretary Jack Lew said the US GDP growth rate, adjusted for inflation, is now projected to run a little above 2% a year.”
Team Obama: Sorry, America, the 'new normal' may be here to stay - AEI


2. The hard working American taxpayer would pay for illegal alien's healthcare

3. There'd be no penalty for sneaking over the border.....no sovereignty.

4. The world's worst state sponsor of terrorism would have nuclear weapons.

5. Infanticide, post-birth abortion, would be legalized

6. Taxes would be increased and tax cuts reversed

7. Sharia would become de rigueur

8. Free speech would be outlawed as 'hate speech.

9. Jewish persons would have to find shelter elsewhere

10. We could look forward to the end of private health insurance, reparations for slavery and drug dealers, financial security for those who ‘don’t care to work,’ abortion rights for 'transwomen (men), and packing the Supreme Court.




Speak up, dolt.

Dolt??? You have the nerve to call someone a dolt after posting this pile of crap?

There is no one pushing legalized infanticide. You are so stupid you could not understand what the Gov of Maryland said.

Then you took a sad situation for a family & lied about it accusing them of murder,.

You are one sick disgusting poor excuse for human being.

"There is no one pushing legalized infanticide.



So this is why you're known as RealDumb???


1. Obama voted for infanticide
Obama selected as his science adviser one who favored not just infantice....but slaughter months after birth.


2. The facts are that the major political party is actually a supporter of infanticide. On the other side of the aisle, Trump rails against this barbarism:

Trump “described what happens to a child after she is born alive following a failed abortion, saying, “The baby is born. The mother meets with the doctor, they take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby. I don't think so. It's incredible.”
What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.




Hussein Obama supported infanticide...wouldn't vote to support the baby.

Obama named Peter Singer, champion of infanticide, as his 'science adviser.'
The Democrat administration in Virginia offered a law for...in favor of....infanticide....stopped by Republicans.

The Democrat governor of Virginia actually agreed with the bill for infanticide.

"New York abortion law changes allow infanticide"
New York abortion law changes allow infanticide

"Anti-infanticide bill blocked by Senate Democrats"
Senate Democrats block Republicans’ anti-infanticide bill




3. Here’s the context. One of the major selling points of the Left/Democrats is that no personal responsibility is ever required, up to an including taking responsibility for creating a new and unique human being. So, if one does, no prob: kill it and more on.

Somehow this is meant to resonate with women who make a ‘mistake,’ and want the right to eradicate it.

Almost 99 % of all abortions are for nothing more than convenience. And this is perfectly alright for the Left.



That's the reality.



4. There is no way to separate abortion from infanticide for this reason: what if a child is born as a result of an unsuccessful attempted abortion?


And, as several states now allow abortion up to the moment of birth,… “The state of New York recently passed a horrific new abortion law removing almost all previous restrictions. The law now allows abortions to be performed up to the point of natural birth by physicians and also by some non-physician health care practitioners. It also removes protections for babies who accidentally survive an abortion procedure.” New York abortion law changes allow infanticide



"7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York"
7 states already allow abortion up to birth — not just New York






…..the result of what happens to that child is included here:


“The practice in some societies of killing unwanted children soon after birth.”

Infanticide | Definition of Infanticide by Lexico




There is no dancing around it. It is infanticide.



If abortion up until the last minute is sanctioned, there is no way to prevent it from becoming infanticide.




5. “…what happens to a baby when she survives an abortion attempt? Is she given medical care as any other patient would receive, or is she left to die?.... the abortion industry and the media have tiptoed around the basic question.


Trump’s statement was only recalling what Virginia [Democrat] Gov. Ralph Northam said: “I can tell you exactly what happens: If a mother is in labor…the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and mother.”


6. So, according to [Democrat] Gov. Northam, whether a newborn gets the chance to live or not is a matter for “discussion.” Precious moments slip by as the infant is fighting for her life on the delivery table, but the mother and doctor are discussing whether or not she should live? At this point we are no longer talking about abortion or a woman’s body. We are talking about a child who has clearly become the patient.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.






This is the position of the Democrat Party:

"...whether a newborn gets the chance to live or not is a matter for “discussion.”

"...the infant is fighting for her life on the delivery table,..."


It's called infanticide. That's the reality.



"When secular leftists express frustration at how practicing Catholics (your humble servants) and evangelicals could ever vote for Donald Trump, the first thing they refuse to concede is the horror of the alternative.


They refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton clearly, forthrightly stood for abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason and even supported it having it funded by pro-life taxpayers.

It’s what she and her husband called “safe, legal and rare.” Hillary and her crew even dismissed the videotaped baby-organ-selling grotesqueries of Planned Parenthood as somehow fictional. And they refuse to admit that Hillary Clinton represented the creeping extremism of the LGBT movement, with its emphasis on redesigning all the nation’s bathrooms, not to mention human nature."
Bozell & Graham Column: The Book Against Transgender Extremism



It is a defining principle of Leftism that they can alter human nature.



Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia




Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] :

"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will"
New Soviet man - Wikipedia



In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.”
-http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html




“Human nature is the one constant through human history. It is always there.”

--Thucydides


7. “What happens when the mother and doctor decide not to let the infant live?
Do they withhold care and let the infant die on its own or do they kill the infant? And how?
The media claims Trump’s comment is incorrect, but no one in the abortion industry will answer the question.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.



Democrat Governor Northam
“So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he went on. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”


Soooo......liar.....what are the possible outcomes of that 'discussion'????????


If the "the mother and the family desired," could the boy or girl be left to die???????





Would it be consistent with the Democrat infanticide law?????

You betcha' it would.



8. In a recent thread, one of the apologists for the slaughter of the unborn decided the death sentence was decided in the very same way an earlier Democrat Party decided on the humanity: location.

If the slave were in Mississippi, he had no rights up to and including life. But, if the same person were residing in Connecticut, bingo! Freedom, and the right to live.



It appears the same test is the basis for life and liberty of the prospective chid.

When asked “What is the argument for the "right" of a woman to authorize the killing of her unborn baby that would not apply to her authorizing the similar slaughter of a year old that she was breastfeeding?”

This Philistine answered:

“One is the contents of her body. The other isn't.” Dehumanization of the Left





The ‘magical’ birth canal imparts ‘life.’ Don’t make it to the finish line……death.


But what if the baby ‘accidentally’ makes it across that finish line?

=====================================================================================

9.” In progressive Pennsylvania, here was a doctor, Kermit Gosnell, an African-American, he’s in his early 70s now, who ran an abortion clinic for 30 years, where he routinely, and these are not my words, this is the grand jury’s words, where he routinely delivered babies alive and then cut their necks with scissors.

And he did this for 30 years. That’s why in the eyes of the grand jury and also ABC’s Terry Moran, he was described as America’s biggest serial killer,…”
The True Story of Kermit Gosnell and His Victims





“…in the Kermit Gosnell trial (which received very little media attention), eye-witnesses testified that babies were moving and breathing before their spinal cords were cut; others were flushed in toilets or were thrown in the garbage with a shoebox for a coffin--while still alive inside!
The fact is, babies can survive abortion attempts.

The CDC tells us that, between 2003-2014, at least 143 infants died after being born alive during an abortion procedure, and the report even admits that this number is underestimated.

That’s an average of one infant a month! According to the report, some of these infants hung on to life for more than 24 hours after the induced abortion before they died!”
What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.





Is it murder?

America’s greatest serial killer, Dr. Kermit Gosnell.

“Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Guilty of Murder in Late-Term Procedures” Philadelphia Abortion Doctor Guilty of Murder in Late-Term Procedures



Convicted of first degree murder, and now, everything that Gosnell was convicted of is legal in NY….

....thanks to Democrats.



10. “When babies survive abortion, they will be either intentionally kept alive or intentionally put to death. There’s no in-between.….Congress needs to pass the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would add enforcement mechanisms to prosecute doctors who deny life-saving medical care to infants who survive abortion - putting an end to birth day abortions.” What Happens to a Child Born-alive? The Media Won’t Tell Us.




11. To prove that the Democrats are the assassins, the Republicans have a plan to make them reveal it:

"Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) introduced the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would provide medical care to babies born after botched abortions. Doctors would be required to provide medical care to a baby who survived an abortion, just as they would with any other patient. If doctors failed to provide care he or she would face criminal charges.
"I want to ask each and every one of my colleagues whether or not we're OK with infanticide," Sasse asked his colleagues.

But when the bill came to the Senate floor for a vote on Monday, Democrats filibustered."
Disgusting: Dems Prove, Once Again, They Support Infanticide With Their Latest Filibuster



Filibustered to defeat the proposal….exactly what the Democrats did to stop the attempts by the Republicans to get the vote for women (1919) and the same ploy the Democrats used to block every anti-lynching law (1920-1940).





"...all six Democrats running for president in 2020 voted against the bill. The list includes Sens. Cory Booker (NJ), Sherrod Brown (OH), Kirsten Gillibrand (NY), Kamala Harris (CA.), Amy Klobuchar (MN), and Elizabeth Warren (MA.). Independent Bernie Sanders (VT) also voted in line with Democrats." Ibid.

That bill in the IL Senate that you are talking about was just a ploy.

Babies were ALREADY PROTECTED under Illinois law.

QUIT YOUR FUCKING LYING.

I'll skip the rest of your lies.

Under number 11, if you were pregnant with a severely disabled without any chance of survival, you would force those parents & trheir infant child to go through efforts to keep that baby alive even though there is no hope. That is torture.

When this happens, to allow the baby to die in peace in their parents arms is the only thing to do.

You call those parents murderers.

That shows how ignorant you people really are.

To allow someone without any hope to survive to die is like pulling the plug on a patient on life support. You call that murder.

You are one sick, ignorant piece of shit.

"That bill in the IL Senate that you are talking about was just a ploy.

Babies were ALREADY PROTECTED under Illinois law."

Why would that prevent voting for it, you moron????



....but this excuse for voting against it avoids the fact that Congress regularly passes redundant bills….especially if there is a moral basis for same: last week the Congress unanimously passes an anti-lynching bill…..even though lynching is against the law throughout the country.

Yet the Democrats blocked- would not allow consideration of- a bill that would prevent the murder of innocent, defenseless babies.
There is no excuse.



Nor is there an excuse for your vulgarity every time I stuff your lies back down your throat.


Must be your upbringing, huh?

How about this:

Fuck you, Fuck your ignorance. Fuck your lies & fuck your pretend giving a shit about my language.

You voted for Donald Trump who says fuck, who grabs women by the pussy, assaults women, and is accused of raping a 14 year old girl. So don't you dare pretend to give a shit about my language.

It is hard to deal with sycophants that twist history to make their points of ad hoc disingenuous rhetoric.....