Due Process??

[Leo123]

That’s total nonsense.

No, that's the truth. You're just anti-American and dumber than a fucking rock. Courts don't decide due process for the legislative or executive branches. SCOTUS never had the authority to chip away at due process for immigration but that is what happened. Stupid leftist, Marxist fucks have infiltrated our legal system. Time to WAKE UP!! These Democrat, leftist, assholes wanted this illegal immigrant invasion. We have millions upon millions of unknown invaders living in our country. We don't know who they are, where they are or what their intentions are. Biden left the border wide open and now there is no way to give hearings to all those people. Democrats scream 'due process' constitutes a hearing but that is a big lie. Due process is whatever ICE decides it is. During Biden, ICE was de-balled, now ICE has it's authority back. You idiots just refuse to see reality because you hate Trump.

 

[scruffy]

No, that's the truth. You're just anti-American and dumber than a fucking rock. Courts don't decide due process for the legislative or executive branches. SCOTUS never had the authority to chip away at due process for immigration but that is what happened. Stupid leftist, Marxist fucks have infiltrated our legal system. Time to WAKE UP!! These Democrat, leftist, assholes wanted this illegal immigrant invasion. We have millions upon millions of unknown invaders living in our country. We don't know who they are, where they are or what their intentions are. Biden left the border wide open and now there is no way to give hearings to all those people. Democrats scream 'due process' constitutes a hearing but that is a big lie. Due process is whatever ICE decides it is. During Biden, ICE was de-balled, now ICE has it's authority back. You idiots just refuse to see reality because you hate Trump.

You are correct. Immigration is an Executive Branch function. Congress makes the law and the Executive Branch carries it out. Immigration Judges are administrators operating under authority of the Executive Branch, not the Judicial Branch. The President and Attorney General control them, not the Chief Justice.

 

[Leo123]

You are correct. Immigration is an Executive Branch function. Congress makes the law and the Executive Branch carries it out. Immigration Judges are administrators operating under authority of the Executive Branch, not the Judicial Branch. The President and Attorney General control them, not the Chief Justice.

Our Judicial branch has been going out of control for a long time. Something needs to be done. Any legal issue having to do with ICE's definition of 'due process' is for ICE to sort out. Not the Congress or SCOTUS.

 

[scruffy]

Our Judicial branch has been going out of control for a long time. Something needs to be done. Any legal issue having to do with ICE's definition of 'due process' is for ICE to sort out. Not the Congress or SCOTUS.

Like the judge who "ruled" deportable illegals need to be given 21 days notice, when our law specifically states 10 days (it's in the US Code).

Judges like that should be impeached, because they don't know the law. Legislating from the bench often occurs out of sheer ignorance.

Leftards whining about due process need to understand the immigration judges are administrators, nothing more. They operate out of the Executive Office for Immigration Review, which is part of the DOJ. They handle cases under the authority of the Attorney General.

8 CFR § 1003.10 - Immigration judges.

www.law.cornell.edu

1.2 - Function of the Office of the Chief Immigration Judge

www.justice.gov

 

[MisterBeale]

Due process, for what? Telling an illegal immigrant they are not welcome and escorting them out of the country is not in any way, shape, or form worthy of due process.

If they are not charged with anything, they should be able to be escorted out without any type of hearing.

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[Hollie]

Trump is sending people to a gulag in El Salvador.

That’s what the due process is for.

Trump is not sending people to any foreign prison, you ignorant hack.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You might consider linking to something or forming a full statement in your initial post.

To the topic, everyone alive and standing on US territory has the right to due process. That DP may be brief and rudimentary, but every man, woman, child, and person who owns cats is entitled to that. Its a basic, fundamental precept of our republic. We are citizens, NOT subjects.

DP is not an appropriate abbreviation for due process, just in case you didn't know it stands for something else.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Our system of justice is predicated on the idea that it's better for a guilty person to go free than an innocent man getting convicted of something he/she didn't do. That is the reason why we have due process, to do the best we can to make sure that mistakes aren't made or at least eliminated as much as possible. And i believe that holds true for illegals too.

You have the right to be wrong on this point.

 

[Mac-7]

Trump is sending people to a gulag in El Salvador.

That’s what the due process is for.

People who are here illegally

 

[Lisa558]

While I kinda sorta generally agree, I have to toss in a qualifier or two.

Person A gets arrested in an Attempt ICE sweep. He says, “but but but, you can’t deport me anywhere! I’m an America can citizen!”

Minimally, the process which is due to him requires that our government establish (very well) that he is actually an alien (as well as being an alien who is subject to our deportation laws).

It’s up to the person to prove he’s here legally.

Let’s say, for example, that ICE grabs me as I am paying for my new shoes at MACY’s and claims I’m here illegally. They can follow me home, where I will show them my birth certificate. Problem solved.

Illegals will not be able to do that.

 

[Marener]

People who are here illegally

Sometimes, but not always. He’s rounded up people with protected status or asylum applications who are here legally.

But even if they’re here illegally, you don’t send people to a gulag for that.

 

[Nostra]

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/19/trump-venezuela-temporary-legal-status-460524

That pertains to people already in the country. I’ll ask again: Got a quote by him inviting illegals into the US Marener ?

 

[Hollie]

Sometimes, but not always. He’s rounded up people with protected status or asylum applications who are here legally.

But even if they’re here illegally, you don’t send people to a gulag for that.

Where did you steal the silly "gulag" slogan from?

What people "with protected status or asylum applications who are here legally" have been "rounded up"?

What is "protected status"?

 

[Mac-7]

Sometimes, but not always. He’s rounded up people with protected status or asylum applications who are here legally.

But even if they’re here illegally, you don’t send people to a gulag for that.

When you have 40 million foreigners of dubious status running around raping, robbing and drunk driving mistakes happen

Biden should have cleaned this up when he was in office

Now its trump’s turn

 

[progressive hunter]

Sometimes, but not always. He’s rounded up people with protected status or asylum applications who are here legally.

But even if they’re here illegally, you don’t send people to a gulag for that.

we sent people home,, what happens after that is not on us,,

 

[80zephyr]

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No one is taking away their rights.

 

[Marener]

we sent people home,, what happens after that is not on us,,

Trump sent hundreds of Venezuelans to the El Salvadorian gulag. How is that sending them "home"?

 

[Marener]

No one is taking away their rights.

Considering they're incarcerated in El Salvador, they most definitely have lost rights.

 

[BackAgain]

It’s up to the person to prove he’s here legally.

Let’s say, for example, that ICE grabs me as I am paying for my new shoes at MACY’s and claims I’m here illegally. They can follow me home, where I will show them my birth certificate. Problem solved.

Illegals will not be able to do that.

I don’t agree. If you’re stopped by a cop for “speeding,” you aren’t called upon to prove you weren’t. It’s up to law enforcement and the prosecutor to prove you were.

Now, granted, that you is a criminal setting and immigration is not criminal. It’s civil and administrative. But still, Congress itself explicitly granted the right of a hearing to immigrants (legal or illegal). Therefore, the “right” to the hearing itself is a fairly minimal kind of due process. But the rules don’t care. The “accuser” is still the one with the burden of persuasion.

Would you or I quickly try to get our hands on our birth certificate? I expect so. But we wouldn’t have to.

 

[Moonglow]

Due process, for what? Telling an illegal immigrant they are not welcome and escorting them out of the country is not in any way, shape, or form worthy of due process.

If they are not charged with anything, they should be able to be escorted out without any type of hearing.

In Oklahoma City Thursday, about 20 federal immigration agents raided the wrong home, forcing a woman out of the house with her three daughters, not even leaving them enough time to get dressed, and then seized their phones, laptops, and life savings.

“It was so denigrating. That you do all of this to a family, to women, your fellow citizens. And it was ‘a little rough’? You literally traumatized me and my daughters for life. We’re going to have to go get help or get over this somehow,” Marisa said. The agents told her that it could take days or months for the family’s stuff to be returned, and wouldn’t even give her a business card.

It all fits a pattern of cruelty from the Trump administration in its efforts to deport as many people as it can. The White House doesn’t believe in due process or following the law, or even standards of basic decency. The violent raid in Oklahoma City would be wrong even against a family of undocumented immigrants, let alone U.S. citizens like Marisa and her daughters. Hopefully, she and other victims of the administration’s wanton behavior can get restitution.

ICE Invades Wrong Home, Steals Their Life Savings, and Then Leaves

A woman says armed federal agents stole from her family and left their home trashed. “I know it was a little rough this morning,” one of them later told her.

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