Don’t let the right tell you gun control does not work because it does.

[Big Bend Texas]

I know a really good way to turn law abiding people into murderers. Send an armed mob of police to their home to remove their firearms.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I don’t you to explain anything to me……oh wait, tell me how KKKalifornia‘s gun laws work when they have almost 3000 murders per year.

If they worked the homicide rate would not have increased over the last 3 years.

Kalifornia is a state where people who hate guns and don't want to own one move and yet they've had around a 30% increase in each of the last two years.

 

[dudmuck]

First we we push to repeal OR strike down all federal gun laws.

If that fails then we secede.

Then we go to war and kill each and every last one of you motherfuckers.

 

[martybegan]

I'm stating a fact. Gun laws will never stop someone who really wants a gun from getting one.

There are some 30-50 million illegal guns being traded among the criminal class in this country and that number grows by upwards of half a million per year.

If I wanted an illegal handgun in NYC I could probably get one in a few days.

Getting a legal revolver just for home use takes $400 or so in fees, 3-6 months of waiting, and hours of paperwork.

That isn't gun control, it's a de facto ban.

 

[Nostra]

Did California's tough gun laws skip over 2019.

California, With Strict Gun Controls, Had Most Mass Killings in 2019

The United States suffered more mass killings in 2019 than any year on record; California, with some of the strictest gun laws in the country, had the most of any state. By Warren Mass

thenewamerican.com

Trump’s fault.

 

[Billy000]

I'm stating a fact. Gun laws will never stop someone who really wants a gun from getting one.

There are some 30-50 million illegal guns being traded among the criminal class in this country and that number grows by upwards of half a million per year.

But no one is claiming that. What matters is that we know gun control laws reduce gun violence. I mean you all love to talk about how violent California is. You even cited a graph about California homicides. But when I show you that gun violence is on a downward trend, you just dismiss it. Why was your graph earlier relevant but my statistics that actually deal with gun violence not relevant and should just be dismissed? The hypocrisy is ridiculous.

 

[Billy000]

Did you not get the motherfucking point, you cocksucking idiot.?

There is no nuance. There is no compromise. We will ******* go to war if you try to do one cocksucking thing.

Do you get it?

There's no room for compromise.

Do one motherfucking thing and Texas is gone. I pray to Sweet baby Jesus Odin in Thor that you're one that comes and tries to make us stay.

lol dude **** Texas. Why would be fight for you to stay? **** your redneck breeding ground. You can have your own country. It would be fun to watch it fail.

 

[scruffy]

Nah you would be cheering on the government goons like the gutless coward you are.

Want me to make Billy's head explode?

Watch this:

My teenage son is a qualified marksman.

He's not "official", for obvious reasons - but he made the grade and he can make it official any time he wants.

My daughter, who's two years younger, is almost there. Another few months she'll be a graduate too.

You see, there are still a few of us in this world who think military school is a good idea, and training with weapons is an even better idea. And if there aren't any military schools nearby, well...

I don't want my kids to grow up being clueless ******* leftards.

And I also don't want them taking any shit from clueless ******* leftards.

Yeah, I know, it's totally illegal - but we're doing it anyway. Sorry if you don't like it.

You see, rather than keep my kids in helpless ignorance, I choose to enable them to watch our backs. Just in case we get a home invasion. Or a gun grabber.

 

[protectionist]

Dems never talk about banning all guns. You just pretend we do because the nuance of gun control policy is too complicated I guess lol

What would it take to get you to know that criminals obtain guns easily ?... totally separate from everything your OP talks about. And that mostly your OP is talking about restricting guns from law abiding citizens - who are probably your best defense against mass shooters et al criminals.

 

[Billy000]

What would it take to get you to know that criminals obtain guns easily ?... totally separate from everything your OP talks about. And that mostly your OP is talking about restricting guns from law abiding citizens - who are probably your best defense against mass shooters et al criminals.

We already know the good guy with a gun narrative is a complete myth when it comes to mass shootings.

 

[scruffy]

We already know the good guy with a gun narrative is a complete myth when it comes to mass shootings.

You really are an ignorant fool.

Unfortunately you're a typical progtard.

 

[Billy000]

You really are an ignorant fool.

Unfortunately you're a typical progtard.

And yet you can’t dispute what I said lol

 

[scruffy]

And yet you can’t dispute what I said lol

I wouldn't know where to begin.

I dispute EVERYTHING you said.

You're spouting nonsense.

 

[Billy000]

I wouldn't know where to begin.

I dispute EVERYTHING you said.

You're spouting nonsense.

You’re right. You don’t know where to begin lol

 

[BackAgain]

California.

CALIFORNIA?!

I got one for you.

CHICAGO!

Now wasn't that sea of words unnecessary?

Excellent rejoinder. Gun control obviously does not work.

 

[OKTexas]

California is a shining example of success for curbing gun violence with gun control legislation. It doesn’t come from one specific policy - but a combination of several.

“For the last 20, maybe even 25 years — except for the two years of the pandemic, which have increased homicides and suicides across the country — our rates of firearm violence have trended downward,” said Wintemute, who directs the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis, Medical Center in Sacramento. “And this has been at a time when most of the rates in the rest of the country have gone up.”

California’s rate of firearm mortality is among the nation’s lowest, with 8.5 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020, compared with 13.7 per 100,000 nationally and 14.2 per 100,000 in Texas, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reported. And Californians are about 25% less likely to die in mass shootings, compared with residents of other states, according to a recent Public Policy Institute of California analysis.

….California has done a lot to prevent high-risk people from purchasing firearms. We’ve broadened the criteria for keeping guns out of the hands of people who pose a danger to themselves or others due to mental illness. If you’re convicted of a violent misdemeanor in California, you can’t have a gun for the next 10 years; that offense has to be a felony in most states….

….We require background checks, and not just from licensed retailers; in most states, purchases from private parties require no background checks or record keeping of any kind. We have a system, that we’re evaluating now, for getting guns back from “prohibited persons” — people who have been convicted of violent crimes or who are facing domestic violence restraining orders. And we enforce these policies, unlike a lot of other states.

California Has America's Toughest Gun Laws, and They Work

The grotesque toll of gun violence is again being debated in Congress. States are not holding their breath. Particularly California: In ways that have tended to be underreported, the state has significantly lowered gun deaths, Dr. Garen J. Wintemute, an emergency room doctor and longtime firearm...

www.yahoo.com

Yep, they work really well, ROFLMFAO

Gun Deaths Drive California’s Largest-Ever Rise in Homicides

In 2020, California saw a troubling rise of more than 500 homicides, the largest jump in state history since record-keeping began in 1960. Victims were predominantly Black and Latino, male, and killed by guns on our streets, parking lots, or in vehicles. While the 2020 homicide rate is far lower...

www.ppic.org

.

 

[BackAgain]

Dumfuk obviously believes that nobody can check his cheap ass claims and retarded memes. Yes. Trump did say that? But dumfuk intentionally leaves out the CONTEXT.

President Trump on Wednesday voiced support for confiscating guns from certain individuals deemed to be dangerous, even if it violates due process rights.

— Trump: ‘Take the guns first, go through due process second’

While I happen to disagree with that suggestion, and instead tend to agree with what then VP Pence had said, still, the CONTEXT shows what Trump meant.

Just in case anybody makes the mistake of taking dumfuk seriously here

 

[dudmuck]

Dumfuk obviously believes that nobody can check his cheap ass claims and retarded memes. Yes. Trump did say that? But dumfuk intentionally leaves out the CONTEXT.


— Trump: ‘Take the guns first, go through due process second’

While I happen to disagree with that suggestion, and instead tend to agree with what then VP Pence had said, still, the CONTEXT shows what Trump meant.

Just in case anybody makes the mistake of taking dumfuk seriously here

well then, when assault weapons ban is reinstated..

Biden says mass shootings tripled post assault weapon ban

There was no mistaking President Joe Biden’s plea for some sort of concrete response to the slaying of 19 elementary sch

www.politifact.com

we can remember "context".

 

[Billy000]

Yep, they work really well, ROFLMFAO

Gun Deaths Drive California’s Largest-Ever Rise in Homicides

In 2020, California saw a troubling rise of more than 500 homicides, the largest jump in state history since record-keeping began in 1960. Victims were predominantly Black and Latino, male, and killed by guns on our streets, parking lots, or in vehicles. While the 2020 homicide rate is far lower...

www.ppic.org

.

Totally misleading. For one thing, my source acknowledges the increase you’re talking about that took place during the pandemic in 2020 and 2021. Those years were atypical because all other years outside of the pandemic saw a decrease in gun homicides. They were also atypical because the entire country saw an increase in these homicides during those years You trying to make this increase about California is incredibly disingenuous if it is part of a national statistic.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Totally misleading. For one thing, my source acknowledges the increase you’re talking about that took place during the pandemic in 2020 and 2021. Those years were atypical because all other years outside of the pandemic saw a decrease in gun homicides. They were also atypical because the entire country saw an increase in these homicides during those years You trying to make this increase about California is incredibly disingenuous if it is part of a national statistic.

That isn't true as I showed.