Don't forget the liberals created the USA

[MarcATL]

I never use swear words. I don't curse.

How's that Kunty?

Wow. You waited three whole minutes before you proved you're a liar.

Its a name...

You mean you never heard of Kunty Da Klown?


Google it.

 

[manifold]

Yes you are dishonest because you apparently don't have the balls to put into words what we all know you mean. Had you said something like, "Don't forget liberals today are great, righteous people because it was also people who called themselves liberals 250 odd years ago that founded the country", THAT would have been an honest statement. It would not have been a true statement because the fact remains liberals then are nothing ideologocally now, but at least it would have been honest.

Fail.

Had I said that it would have been both incorrect and dishonest.

But nice rant though.

Oh, So you actually do know that liberals then are nothing like liberals now? And the only thing true about your statement is that two groups separated by a couple hundred years of history used the same word to describe themselves. If that is what you meant it was stated rather poorly. Sort of begs the question, what's your point? Knowing that they aren't the same, why exactly did you feel it necessary to remind the right minded folks of this board that the founders called themselves liberals?

A. To lampoon Little Nicky's retarded thread titled: Don't forget that the democrats created the KKK.

B. To enjoy the knee-jerk reaction of dipshits who read waaaaaay more into the statement than what is actually stated.

So thanks!

 

[Mustang]

Fail.

Had I said that it would have been both incorrect and dishonest.

But nice rant though.

Oh, So you actually do know that liberals then are nothing like liberals now? And the only thing true about your statement is that two groups separated by a couple hundred years of history used the same word to describe themselves. If that is what you meant it was stated rather poorly. Sort of begs the question, what's your point? Knowing that they aren't the same, why exactly did you feel it necessary to remind the right minded folks of this board that the founders called themselves liberals?

A. To lampoon Little Nicky's retarded thread titled: Don't forget that the democrats created the KKK.

B. To enjoy the knee-jerk reaction of dipshits who read waaaaaay more into the statement than what is actually stated.

So thanks!

Let's have some context, shall we?

The "Democrats" lock on the South happened as a response to reconstruction where the slaves might have been technically free, but they did not have voting rights, let alone equal rights.

That existed for a hundred years UNTIL Democrats like JFK and LBJ pushed for civil rights for Blacks. This led to the 1964 Civil Rights Act. LBJ was quoted as saying something to the effect that the Democrats had probably lost the South for a generation.

Enter Richard Nixon and his "Southern Strategy" which has been used by Republicans (including Reagan) ever since as a way of essentially getting a lock on Southern States AND their electoral votes in Presidential elections.

NOW, take a look at the South and southern State Houses. They are OVERWHELMINGLY Republican because those Southern Democrats migrated to the Republican Party in droves after the Democratic Party embraced equal rights.

So, thanks!

 

[frazzledgear]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

This is seriously one of the most moronic statements you could make and only highlights for us all just how deeply ignorant you are about your own country's history! This is called "wishful thinking" and I'm betting you are a product of our public school system because you sure sound like someone whose education in US history stopped with the mush they fed you in the 10th grade they merely called "American History" but bore little resemblance to it.

Sorry but the founders were not only NOT liberals -if alive today people like you would be shrilly calling them them derogatory names, mocking them, insisting they were "hate mongers" and that they wanted a Nazi state. Because that is always what liberals always do when faced with those at the other end of the political spectrum -and insisting Nazis are on the other end instead of right there with you at YOUR end is one of the most successful lies of the left.

The founders were NOT liberals and opposed EVERYTHING liberals believe about the proper role of government. SERIOUSLY. For REAL. The founders opposed everything liberals believe about the proper role of government. Ignorance is NOT bliss honey -get a better education than this one because you truly sound like an ignorant moron. Everyone with a strong education in US history that goes beyond 10th grade knows you are SO full of shit.

I already posted just a FRACTION of the evidence showing that the founders were neither political liberals (GET REAL) nor social liberals (GET REAL). So if you are going to make such an idiotic claim -then PROVE IT. You go ahead and explain how even though the founders bent over backwards to make sure they were creating a government system designed with a small, weak and decentralized federal government -what the founders really thought they were creating was the liberal's favorite government model of a nanny state -which by necessity would require a large, powerful centralized government. Please -we are all anxious to see what SPECIFICALLY led you to believe the founders were either political OR social liberals! And you will need to provide lots of evidence -not a cherry picked single sentence taken out of context and pretending that person actually meant it to apply to the proper role of GOVERNMENT.

Then show us how the founders were social liberals as well. People who actually believed religion had no place in the public square; that government had no business encouraging citizens to be religious or moral; how they believed society should be expected to tolerate social immoralities and tolerate a coarse, ill-mannered society in silence or be accused of being "judgmental" as if that is actually a worse offense than the public immorality; that voters should ignore the criminal, adulterous and other immoral activities of those seeking election to office; how if alive today they would support the idea of legalized abortion AND forcing taxpayers to foot the bill for it; would support embryonic stem cell research -the creation of new human life in order to kill and cannibalize it in order to benefit an older human life AND how they would believe taxpayers should foot the bill for that too; show us what convinced you they would support gay marriage. Show up what convinced you they would support using the COURT SYSTEM to impose unwanted laws on the people against their will -I'd really love to see that one.

And most of all, we are ALL waiting breathlessly for you to show what convinced you that if alive today -the very people who tried to insure government could not disarm American citizens, and the very people who warned future generations about those who would come insisting the 2nd Amendment needed to be rescinded in the name of making society safer -would today be in favor of GUN CONTROL! Oh yeah -we are ALL breathlessly waiting to hear you provide the SPECIFICS and EXACTLY what they said and wrote that convinced YOU the founders were actually a pack of raging liberals! BRING IT!

The founders were POLITICAL RADICALS only -ONLY because their ideas at that time were radical. But those ideas aren't considered radical at all today. The people who still believe in those same ideas today are NOT liberals either. Liberals actually oppose and despise nearly everything the founders believed -seriously. FOR REAL. Sorry to burst that bubble.

 

[Ravi]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

This is seriously one of the most moronic statements you could make and only highlights for us all just how deeply ignorant you are about your own country's history! This is called "wishful thinking" and I'm betting you are a product of our public school system because you sure sound like someone whose education in US history stopped with the mush they fed you in the 10th grade they merely called "American History" but bore little resemblance to it.

Sorry but the founders were not only NOT liberals -if alive today people like you would be shrilly calling them them derogatory names, mocking them, insisting they were "hate mongers" and that they wanted a Nazi state. Because that is always what liberals always do when faced with those at the other end of the political spectrum -and insisting Nazis are on the other end instead of right there with you at YOUR end is one of the most successful lies of the left.

The founders were NOT liberals and opposed EVERYTHING liberals believe about the proper role of government. SERIOUSLY. For REAL. The founders opposed everything liberals believe about the proper role of government. Ignorance is NOT bliss honey -get a better education than this one because you truly sound like an ignorant moron. Everyone with a strong education in US history that goes beyond 10th grade knows you are SO full of shit.

I already posted just a FRACTION of the evidence showing that the founders were neither political liberals (GET REAL) nor social liberals (GET REAL). So if you are going to make such an idiotic claim -then PROVE IT. You go ahead and explain how even though the founders bent over backwards to make sure they were creating a government system designed with a small, weak and decentralized federal government -what the founders really thought they were creating was the liberal's favorite government model of a nanny state -which by necessity would require a large, powerful centralized government. Please -we are all anxious to see what SPECIFICALLY led you to believe the founders were either political OR social liberals! And you will need to provide lots of evidence -not a cherry picked single sentence taken out of context and pretending that person actually meant it to apply to the proper role of GOVERNMENT.

Then show us how the founders were social liberals as well. People who actually believed religion had no place in the public square; that government had no business encouraging citizens to be religious or moral; how they believed society should be expected to tolerate social immoralities and tolerate a coarse, ill-mannered society in silence or be accused of being "judgmental" as if that is actually a worse offense than the public immorality; that voters should ignore the criminal, adulterous and other immoral activities of those seeking election to office; how if alive today they would support the idea of legalized abortion AND forcing taxpayers to foot the bill for it; would support embryonic stem cell research -the creation of new human life in order to kill and cannibalize it in order to benefit an older human life AND how they would believe taxpayers should foot the bill for that too; show us what convinced you they would support gay marriage. Show up what convinced you they would support using the COURT SYSTEM to impose unwanted laws on the people against their will -I'd really love to see that one.

And most of all, we are ALL waiting breathlessly for you to show what convinced you that if alive today -the very people who tried to insure government could not disarm American citizens, and the very people who warned future generations about those who would come insisting the 2nd Amendment needed to be rescinded in the name of making society safer -would today be in favor of GUN CONTROL! Oh yeah -we are ALL breathlessly waiting to hear you provide the SPECIFICS and EXACTLY what they said and wrote that convinced YOU the founders were actually a pack of raging liberals! BRING IT!

The founders were POLITICAL RADICALS only -ONLY because their ideas at that time were radical. But those ideas aren't considered radical at all today. The people who still believe in those same ideas today are NOT liberals either. Liberals actually oppose and despise nearly everything the founders believed -seriously. FOR REAL. Sorry to burst that bubble.

That was awesome.

 

[Publius1787]

Thomas Jefferson was also the father of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

You know, the same party IN WHICH OBAMA RESIDES NOW?????????

Funny how the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, even if the tree has been growing for more than 200 years.

Um dude learn some American History. Jefferson had nothing to do with the Democrat party. He formed the Democrat Republican Party. Which despite the name, has NOTHING to do with the Modern Democrat or Republican Parties.

That's like saying Abraham Lincoln has nothing to do with the Republican party.

You idiots want to play mind games like that, go right ahead.

Don't blame me when no one takes you seriously.

He is right. Jefferson called himself a republican and premoted republicanism to emphasize that we were in a republic. This is true of most antifederalists. To narrow it down some antifederalists called themselves the democratic republicans to annotate that we were a democratic republic. this replaced the negative tone of the word "antifederalists." They were antifederalists in that they were against a strong central government with unlimited power that would surpass the powers of their countries or also known as "states." They were the cheif advocates of the bill of rights that limited federal power. Remember that before the misinterperitation of the 14th amendment that would be ratified in reconstruction, the bill of rights only applied to limit the power of the federal government leaving the states with the bill of rights they had allready in their state constitutions. Thomas Jefferson was so far to the right that he asked for constitutional amendments so that the federal government could be authorised to create roads. He was so far to the right that he refered to secession in hid inaugural address as "go in peace." h was a HUGE states right advocate and a firm beleiver in extreamly limited federal government to the point that if it wasent expressly written in the constitution the power did not exist. The democrat party as we know it today got its name from Andrew Jackson and its idealology during the progressive era.

 

[BlindBoo]

poor child, France has nothing to do with American liberalism or politics. The nutty French revolution was supported with gusto by the nutjob known as Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson was also the father of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

You know, the same party IN WHICH OBAMA RESIDES NOW?????????

Funny how the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, even if the tree has been growing for more than 200 years.

If liberals dont understand what liberal means, how could they possibly understand what democrat means?

Jefferson would be more angry at modern liberals than I am..

Except for true Federalists any one of our founding fathers would be fuming today.

The true anarchists are the progressives who think they can do whatever the **** they want without any concern for the Constitution or Bill of Rights..

What boundaries to the progressives have?? NONE.....

Their only rule is that you must hate those who tell you you cant tell THEM what to do...

Modern progressives are only fascist Nazi's, hell they even hate the Jewish like Nazi's did... Except this brand of fuckups only wants to take the Big Mac's out your mouth and make sure your lawn is 3/4ths an inch...

So what are liberals?

Are they Federalist who embrace tyranical powers of the federal governement?

Are they Anarchist who embrace a lack of control and laws?

Are they Fascist/Nazis?

Do they really hate Jews?

None of the above?

 

[Big Fitz]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

But none of them were collectivists.

When collectivists decided to hide their intentions, they coopted the term liberal and perverted it to it's current modern parlance.

 

[BlindBoo]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

Yes, but they were actual liberals, of the classical European variety, and not the bastardization that we call liberals in the US today. They actually valued independence, freedom, responsibility, and small unintrusive government.

I would say that the bastardization applies to the pseudo-conservatives as well. They are two sides of the same coin(Republicrats) who, along with the statist media, are playing Americans in a game of Three Card Monty!

 

[manifold]

That was awesome.

You're welcome.

 

[Publius1787]

Thomas Jefferson was also the father of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

You know, the same party IN WHICH OBAMA RESIDES NOW?????????

Funny how the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, even if the tree has been growing for more than 200 years.

If liberals dont understand what liberal means, how could they possibly understand what democrat means?

Jefferson would be more angry at modern liberals than I am..

Except for true Federalists any one of our founding fathers would be fuming today.

The true anarchists are the progressives who think they can do whatever the **** they want without any concern for the Constitution or Bill of Rights..

What boundaries to the progressives have?? NONE.....

Their only rule is that you must hate those who tell you you cant tell THEM what to do...

Modern progressives are only fascist Nazi's, hell they even hate the Jewish like Nazi's did... Except this brand of fuckups only wants to take the Big Mac's out your mouth and make sure your lawn is 3/4ths an inch...

So what are liberals?

Are they Federalist who embrace tyranical powers of the federal governement?

Are they Anarchist who embrace a lack of control and laws?

Are they Fascist/Nazis?

Do they really hate Jews?

None of the above?

Federalist who embrace the tyranical powers of the federal government? Trust me. When a liberal calles a supreme court justice a federalist it is not meant as a complement. Modern liberals beleive that collective liberty comes before individual liberty. They beleive that our rights come from government and are not self evident. They beleive that rights can be voted away by a simple majority if society deems it necessary. There are no such things as "unaleinable" or "self evident" rights according to a modern liberal. Look no further than "the right to healthcare" which, if implemented, is a government granted right at the expense of the unaleniable rights out founders spoke of. To a modern day liberal, there is no law that limits the federal government in its power. Its a movement based upon an advocasy of pure popularist class warfare democracy. There is nothing liberal about a modern day liberal. There is nothing new and or pertaining to freedom by advocating the same policies of the past 5000 years.

 

[daveman]

I never use swear words. I don't curse.

How's that Kunty?

Wow. You waited three whole minutes before you proved you're a liar.

Its a name...

You mean you never heard of Kunty Da Klown?


Google it.

Hypocrisy fail.

Did you mean: Kuntry Da Klown​

Weasel.

 

[editec]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

No, they weren't.

Read on.

I noted the lone exception.

The LONE exception?

First, applying our modern labels to people (labels that moderns cannot even agree upon)to a people whose world was so different than ours is just silly.

Secondly, the founding fathers were hardly in agreement about most things.

So to say they were ALL insert you favorite political label here is just a foolish misreading of history.

 

[manifold]

No, they weren't.

Read on.

I noted the lone exception.

The LONE exception?

First, applying our modern labels to people (labels that moderns cannot even agree upon)to a people whose world was so different than ours is just silly.

Secondly, the founding fathers were hardly in agreement about most things.

So to say they were ALL insert you favorite political label here is just a foolish misreading of history.

So just label me a fool and call it a day.

 

[BlindBoo]

If liberals dont understand what liberal means, how could they possibly understand what democrat means?

Jefferson would be more angry at modern liberals than I am..

Except for true Federalists any one of our founding fathers would be fuming today.

The true anarchists are the progressives who think they can do whatever the **** they want without any concern for the Constitution or Bill of Rights..

What boundaries to the progressives have?? NONE.....

Their only rule is that you must hate those who tell you you cant tell THEM what to do...

Modern progressives are only fascist Nazi's, hell they even hate the Jewish like Nazi's did... Except this brand of fuckups only wants to take the Big Mac's out your mouth and make sure your lawn is 3/4ths an inch...

So what are liberals?

Are they Federalist who embrace tyranical powers of the federal governement?

Are they Anarchist who embrace a lack of control and laws?

Are they Fascist/Nazis?

Do they really hate Jews?

None of the above?

Federalist who embrace the tyranical powers of the federal government? Trust me. When a liberal calles a supreme court justice a federalist it is not meant as a complement. Modern liberals beleive that collective liberty comes before individual liberty. They beleive that our rights come from government and are not self evident. They beleive that rights can be voted away by a simple majority if society deems it necessary. There are no such things as "unaleinable" or "self evident" rights according to a modern liberal. Look no further than "the right to healthcare" which, if implemented, is a government granted right at the expense of the unaleniable rights out founders spoke of. To a modern day liberal, there is no law that limits the federal government in its power. Its a movement based upon an advocasy of pure popularist class warfare democracy. There is nothing liberal about a modern day liberal. There is nothing new and or pertaining to freedom by advocating the same policies of the past 5000 years.

Today, those who subscribe to the principles of the American Revolution — individual liberty, limited government, the free market, and the rule of law — call themselves by a variety of terms, including conservative, libertarian, classical liberal, and liberal. We see problems with all of those terms. "Conservative" smacks of an unwillingness to change, of a desire to preserve the status quo. Only in America do people seem to refer to free-market capitalism — the most progressive, dynamic, and ever-changing system the world has ever known — as conservative. Additionally, many contemporary American conservatives favor state intervention in some areas, most notably in trade and into our private lives.

"Classical liberal" is a bit closer to the mark, but the word "classical" fails to capture the contemporary vibrancy of the ideas of freedom.

"Liberal" may well be the perfect word in most of the world — the liberals in societies from China to Iran to South Africa to Argentina tend to be supporters of human rights and free markets — but its meaning has clearly been altered in the contemporary United States.

The Jeffersonian philosophy that animates Cato's work has increasingly come to be called "libertarianism" or "market liberalism." It combines an appreciation for entrepreneurship, the market process, and lower taxes with strict respect for civil liberties and skepticism about the benefits of both the welfare state and foreign military adventurism.

This vision brings the wisdom of the American Founders to bear on the problems of today. As did the Founders, it looks to the future with optimism and excitement, eager to discover what great things women and men will do in the coming century. Market liberals appreciate the complexity of a great society, recognizing that socialism and government planning are just too clumsy for the modern world. It is — or used to be — the conventional wisdom that a more complex society needs more government, but the truth is just the opposite. The simpler the society, the less damage government planning does. Planning is cumbersome in an agricultural society, costly in an industrial economy, and impossible in the information age. Today collectivism and planning are outmoded and backward, a drag on social progress.

Libertarians have a cosmopolitan, inclusive vision for society. We applaud the progressive extension of the promises of the Declaration of Independence to more people, especially to women, African-Americans, religious minorities, and gay and lesbian people. Our greatest challenge today is to continue to extend the promise of political freedom and economic opportunity to those who are still denied it, in our own country and around the world.

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[frazzledgear]

Um dude learn some American History. Jefferson had nothing to do with the Democrat party. He formed the Democrat Republican Party. Which despite the name, has NOTHING to do with the Modern Democrat or Republican Parties.

That's like saying Abraham Lincoln has nothing to do with the Republican party.

You idiots want to play mind games like that, go right ahead.

Don't blame me when no one takes you seriously.

He is right. Jefferson called himself a republican and premoted republicanism to emphasize that we were in a republic. This is true of most antifederalists. To narrow it down some antifederalists called themselves the democratic republicans to annotate that we were a democratic republic. this replaced the negative tone of the word "antifederalists." They were antifederalists in that they were against a strong central government with unlimited power that would surpass the powers of their countries or also known as "states." They were the cheif advocates of the bill of rights that limited federal power. Remember that before the misinterperitation of the 14th amendment that would be ratified in reconstruction, the bill of rights only applied to limit the power of the federal government leaving the states with the bill of rights they had allready in their state constitutions. Thomas Jefferson was so far to the right that he asked for constitutional amendments so that the federal government could be authorised to create roads. He was so far to the right that he refered to secession in hid inaugural address as "go in peace." h was a HUGE states right advocate and a firm beleiver in extreamly limited federal government to the point that if it wasent expressly written in the constitution the power did not exist. The democrat party as we know it today got its name from Andrew Jackson and its idealology during the progressive era.

Wow some people need to learn their own country's history better! Publius is right!

Democrats love to claim Jefferson founded the Democrat Party but in reality he founded a different party entirely -called the Democrat-Republican Party.

Jefferson and Madison together founded the Democrat-Republican Party that was based on their own values of strong states' rights, and STRICT ADHERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION. Oh sure -that sounds like the Democrat party, doesn't it? ROFLMAO! I am a big fan of Madison who I think was a brilliant man but let's get real -the values of Madison and Jefferson of strong states' rights and STRICT ADHERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION hardly sounds like values held by the Democrat Party of today, does it?

The Democrat-Republican party splintered after the War of 1812 and one faction became the Democrat Party. Pretending Jefferson founded that particular faction just because it is the only one to survive - is like pretending he also founded the Dixiecrat Party which was a later splinter faction of the Democrat party. Really? Jefferson himself founded the Dixiecrat party too? ROFL! Today's Democrat party, in spite of its claim to be the very same one - was NOT founded by Jefferson but originated after the War of 1812. The one founded by Jefferson lasted less than 15 years before breaking down and splintering. The Democrat party was one of those splinters. The fact it is the only surviving faction today does NOT make it "founded" by Jefferson though.

There was no Republican Party until anti-slavery Democrats left the Democrat party and joined with anti-slavery members of smaller parties and disbanded political parties to form a new party based on an anti-slavery platform. Just because the Republican party has the word "republican" in it doesn't make it founded by Jefferson any more than using the word "democrat" in the other party means it was specifically founded by Jefferson and the same exact party as the one he actually founded -the Democrat-Republican Party. It isn't -its a splinter off the party Jefferson founded. When a party splinters, it is because they no longer share the same core values as the original party and have morphed into a different, new one.

Jefferson and Madison would disavow any relationship with today's modern Democrat party which is now the antithesis of everything they believed. Unless you really have a deep-seated NEED to pretend that in spite of them both being firm believers in strong state's rights and strict adherence to the Constitution -today they would actually be big believers in a federal nanny state government, weak states rights, pro-union, pro-group rights rather than individual rights and believed the Constitution was just a meaningless piece of paper that meant whatever the party needs it to mean at any given moment -and using the court system to ram unwanted law down the throats of the people against their will. Get real. Today's Democrat party adopted the core values of Andrew Jackson -big time slave owner, changed his mind about states' rights once he was President and wanted more power for himself, big believer in the forced relocation of American Indians while Whigs and moralists opposed it, expanded the spoils system in order to firm up his base -which is actually a form of corruption.

The person who claimed saying Jefferson had nothing to do with the founding of today's Democrat Party is like saying Lincoln had nothing to do with the Republican party is wrong, sorry. The Republican party was created first -and THEN they nominated Lincoln as their first Presidential candidate. Lincoln was NOT its founder -so its hardly an apt comparison, is it. Jefferson was never the candidate of the party he did co-found. And he sure was never the candidate of the Democrat party either which didn't come along until after the party he co-founded had splintered. So claiming Jefferson actually founded a specific one of those splinters just because it happens to be the only one to survive is like claiming he actually founded the Dixiecrat Party too! No he didn't. He co-founded a party called the Democrat-Republican Party that splintered and dissolved less than 20 years later because of deep-seated differences in core values. One of those factions happened to survive that adopted the core values of Andrew Jackson -NOT Jefferson. That surviving faction isn't the one Jefferson would find he had much in common with today, is it?

 

[frazzledgear]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

But none of them were collectivists.

When collectivists decided to hide their intentions, they coopted the term liberal and perverted it to it's current modern parlance.

EXACTLY right. I got a neg. rep and message from that moron JBeukema telling me to read Locke -as if that somehow proves Locke shared ANYTHING in common with modern liberals who are actually COLLECTIVISTS!

Sorry JBeukema that you are such an ignorant MORON but Locke was NOT a modern liberal, he was NOT a collectivist, he did NOT believe in the nanny state -and for any collectivist to think he can co-opt people like Locke, Montesquieu and Blackwood who were individualists and pretend they were all actually budding little Marxists is the continuation of the big deception of the left that started when they co-opted the word "liberal" in the first place trying to avoid being identified for what they really are -collectivists.

And because JBeukema feels free to slam people with neg reps while STILL being the liberal COWARD he is, proving he is totally incapable of actually defending himself in debate either publicly or personally, taking advantage of those who allow open access to leave personal comments, messages and rep but blocks it for himself -he is now on my ignore list. Go **** yourself you stupid asshole. If you can't tell the difference between what Locke REALLY believed and what the collectivists calling themselves "liberals" actually believe -then go back to school because your ignorance surely poses a danger to yourself. Try a real school instead of that indoctrination center called "public school" you have proved you never even graduated from yet.

I will not allow gutless cowards like JBeukema to do a hit-and-run on me any more.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Thomas Jefferson was also the father of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

You know, the same party IN WHICH OBAMA RESIDES NOW?????????

Funny how the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, even if the tree has been growing for more than 200 years.

If liberals dont understand what liberal means, how could they possibly understand what democrat means?

Jefferson would be more angry at modern liberals than I am..

Except for true Federalists any one of our founding fathers would be fuming today.

The true anarchists are the progressives who think they can do whatever the **** they want without any concern for the Constitution or Bill of Rights..

What boundaries to the progressives have?? NONE.....

Their only rule is that you must hate those who tell you you cant tell THEM what to do...

Modern progressives are only fascist Nazi's, hell they even hate the Jewish like Nazi's did... Except this brand of fuckups only wants to take the Big Mac's out your mouth and make sure your lawn is 3/4ths an inch...

So what are liberals?

Are they Federalist who embrace tyranical powers of the federal governement?

Are they Anarchist who embrace a lack of control and laws?

Are they Fascist/Nazis?

Do they really hate Jews?

None of the above?

Real liberals, er classical liberals are guys like me. Modern progressives are nothing more than authoritarian tyrants.

Modern progressives don't even understand the ideas they spew.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

But none of them were collectivists.

When collectivists decided to hide their intentions, they coopted the term liberal and perverted it to it's current modern parlance.

EXACTLY right. I got a neg. rep and message from that moron JBeukema telling me to read Locke -as if that somehow proves Locke shared ANYTHING in common with modern liberals who are actually COLLECTIVISTS!

Sorry JBeukema that you are such an ignorant MORON but Locke was NOT a modern liberal, he was NOT a collectivist, he did NOT believe in the nanny state -and for any collectivist to think he can co-opt people like Locke, Montesquieu and Blackwood who were individualists and pretend they were all actually budding little Marxists is the continuation of the big deception of the left that started when they co-opted the word "liberal" in the first place trying to avoid being identified for what they really are -collectivists.

And because JBeukema feels free to slam people with neg reps while STILL being the liberal COWARD he is, proving he is totally incapable of actually defending himself in debate either publicly or personally, taking advantage of those who allow open access to leave personal comments, messages and rep but blocks it for himself -he is now on my ignore list. Go **** yourself you stupid asshole. If you can't tell the difference between what Locke REALLY believed and what the collectivists calling themselves "liberals" actually believe -then go back to school because your ignorance surely poses a danger to yourself. Try a real school instead of that indoctrination center called "public school" you have proved you never even graduated from yet.

I will not allow gutless cowards like JBeukema to do a hit-and-run on me any more.

JBeukema is harassing you too???

I put that punk on ignore...

Then he started posting all kinds of nonsense on my profile page.

That punk is a real piece of work.

 

[JBeukema]

Don't forget (especially you Mr. Nick ) that the American revolutionists and Founding Fathers were all liberals.

But none of them were collectivists.

When collectivists decided to hide their intentions, they coopted the term liberal and perverted it to it's current modern parlance.

EXACTLY right. I got a neg. rep and message from that moron JBeukema telling me to read Locke -as if that somehow proves Locke shared ANYTHING in common with modern liberals who are actually COLLECTIVISTS!

Sorry JBeukema that you are such an ignorant MORON but Locke was NOT a modern liberal, he was NOT a collectivist, he did NOT believe in the nanny state -and for any collectivist to think he can co-opt people like Locke, Montesquieu and Blackwood who were individualists and pretend they were all actually budding little Marxists is the continuation of the big deception of the left that started when they co-opted the word "liberal" in the first place trying to avoid being identified for what they really are -collectivists.

And because JBeukema feels free to slam people with neg reps while STILL being the liberal COWARD he is, proving he is totally incapable of actually defending himself in debate either publicly or personally, taking advantage of those who allow open access to leave personal comments, messages and rep but blocks it for himself -he is now on my ignore list. Go **** yourself you stupid asshole. If you can't tell the difference between what Locke REALLY believed and what the collectivists calling themselves "liberals" actually believe -then go back to school because your ignorance surely poses a danger to yourself. Try a real school instead of that indoctrination center called "public school" you have proved you never even graduated from yet.

I will not allow gutless cowards like JBeukema to do a hit-and-run on me any more.

Read Locke. Then read Jefferson and the rest.

Not my fault you're retarded.