Donald Trump to kick transgender troops out of US military

[ThisIsMe]

No shit. And you cant just up and quit. KEEP THE DEI BS OUT.

I'm not talking about dei, and I'm not talking about quitting. What part of "fully capable of performing their duties" is unclear?

I'm not talking about carving out special exemptions or giving them a pass for certain things. I'm talking about if they are physically and mentally capable of doing the job...

 

[ThisIsMe]

I think you have a bit of a misconception of what life in the military is actually like. There are considerations that should/have to be taken into account when thinking about issues like this. Billeting/berthing, bathroom and shower facilities, healthcare, ability to be in the field etc etc. The military isnt a 9-5 where you go home to your apartment at the end of the day. Not for junior troops.

I know what the military is about, I never suggested it was a 9 to 5 job. I can't say it enough, because I think some of you are purposely ignoring what I'm saying in order to make an argument, so I'll say it again: if a person is FULLY capable of discharging their duties, with no exceptions, then I don't see a problem.

Again, if a person is willing to die to defend your freedoms, do you really want you want to complain about what lifestyle they choose to live? If their existence doesn't weaken the military, if they are able bodied and mind to proficiently perform their duties, who's the problem?

 

[ThisIsMe]

I also forgot promotions. You PT test factors into your promotions. Significantly so in the Marine Corps especially prior to become a SNCO but even after. The scoring standards for women are significantly lower than for men.

I'm sure the military is smart enough to take that into account when determining promotions.

 

[Stann]

Maybe you can use the day off to find that military regulation about kicking people out for taking too many sick days off.

Not interested , you guys think you know it all. No sense in reasoning with any of you.

 

[Stann]

I know what the military is about, I never suggested it was a 9 to 5 job. I can't say it enough, because I think some of you are purposely ignoring what I'm saying in order to make an argument, so I'll say it again: if a person is FULLY capable of discharging their duties, with no exceptions, then I don't see a problem.

Again, if a person is willing to die to defend your freedoms, do you really want you want to complain about what lifestyle they choose to live? If their existence doesn't weaken the military, if they are able bodied and mind to proficiently perform their duties, who's the problem?

The problem is theirs.

 

[Couchpotato]

I'm sure the military is smart enough to take that into account when determining promotions.

There is no way to account for it. A person who gets the same number of pull ups, planks and XX:XX time on their 3 mile run would get 2 wildly different scores depending on whether you use the men’s or women’s grading metrics.

If you take the max reps/times for each event for a woman (score 300) and apply them to the male scale the score drops to 232. That’s a drop of 74 points out of 100 towards your composite score. The same would apply for the CFT. It’s not insignificant. Your PFT/CFT score tie into Pro/Com marks as well which is part of the composite score. A mediocre male Marine would immediately be at the top of his MOS/Rank grouping from that perspective

 

[Seymour Flops]

I know what the military is about, I never suggested it was a 9 to 5 job. I can't say it enough, because I think some of you are purposely ignoring what I'm saying in order to make an argument, so I'll say it again: if a person is FULLY capable of discharging their duties, with no exceptions, then I don't see a problem.

Again, if a person is willing to die to defend your freedoms, do you really want you want to complain about what lifestyle they choose to live? If their existence doesn't weaken the military, if they are able bodied and mind to proficiently perform their duties, who's the problem?

I'm not talking about dei, and I'm not talking about quitting. What part of "fully capable of performing their duties" is unclear?

I'm not talking about carving out special exemptions or giving them a pass for certain things. I'm talking about if they are physically and mentally capable of doing the job...

Can a soldier perform “their” duties on a combat deployment if they have to have a once a week hormone shot?

If female soldiers are required to shower with biological males will their morale and thus their effectiveness be negatively affected?

Will soldiers take seriously being ordered into battle by a commander who looks like this:

Or would “they” be fragged as soon as the battle started?

Mailpersons, irs accountants, even U. S. Marshall’s can function while transgender. Soldiers, no. No matter how willing, they won’t be capable and will be a liability.

 

[Mushroom]

Not interested , you guys think you know it all. No sense in reasoning with any of you.

Hold on here a second, bub. You are the one that stated that was how it was. Myself and others simply requested proof, that's all.

You see, that is how things work. Especially in the military where everything has an order or regulation attached to it. It is in many ways the ultimate in "Government Bureaucracy", where damned near nothing is done without a lot of paperwork to allow it, and nothing to deny it. With lots of individuals along the way both in uniform and out to sign off on everything.

You are the one that jumped in and made a statement that made absolutely no sense and was in contradiction to facts. And we simply demanded to know what regulations covered what you claimed. And ever since then, you have been "giving the finger" to everybody that has been asking you to back up your claim. We are actually attempting to be reasonable, and notice I am not actually calling you a liar, I am simply asking you to back up your statements with facts.

Yet here you are, saying it is "unreasonable" to expect people to actually back up their claims.

You know, there are actually several ways out of this pit you have dug yourself. First, actually provide the proof of your claims. If you do that, I am actually one of the first that will admit you are actually correct.

Or secondly, you can simply admit you made a mistake. No biggie, really, we all do that from time to time. No harm, no foul.

Or, you could simply admit you did not know what you were talking about. Once again, no harm no foul. And I would actually tip my hat for you admitting the fact.

Or, you can continue to "give the finger" to everybody that says something you do not like, even if what they are saying is actually correct and you do not know what you are talking about.

Any way it goes, I myself really do not give a fig. And I find your behavior especially interesting, as I am actually one of the more unbiased individuals you will meet in here. However, I do have a big thing for accuracy, and against people who evade facts and spin in circles and attack others when it is completely uncalled for.

So want me to be "reasonable"? Then it is simple, back up your claims. That is what adults do, they do not act like two year olds having temper tantrums because somebody questions something they said.

 

[sparky]

No disrespect to our military from me here, but i just can't see a platoon of Corporal Klingers being a threat.......~S~

 

[Stann]

Can a soldier perform “their” duties on a combat deployment if they have to have a once a week hormone shot?

If female soldiers are required to shower with biological males will their morale and thus their effectiveness be negatively affected?

Will soldiers take seriously being ordered into battle by a commander who looks like this:

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Or would “they” be fragged as soon as the battle started?

Mailpersons, irs accountants, even U. S. Marshall’s can function while transgender. Soldiers, no. No matter how willing, they won’t be capable and will be a liability.

That man is more of a man as a woman than you could ever be. It takes courage to become who you were always meant to be and all you can be. Should have been a marine. Kudos to her !!!

 

[Stann]

Hold on here a second, bub. You are the one that stated that was how it was. Myself and others simply requested proof, that's all.

You see, that is how things work. Especially in the military where everything has an order or regulation attached to it. It is in many ways the ultimate in "Government Bureaucracy", where damned near nothing is done without a lot of paperwork to allow it, and nothing to deny it. With lots of individuals along the way both in uniform and out to sign off on everything.

You are the one that jumped in and made a statement that made absolutely no sense and was in contradiction to facts. And we simply demanded to know what regulations covered what you claimed. And ever since then, you have been "giving the finger" to everybody that has been asking you to back up your claim. We are actually attempting to be reasonable, and notice I am not actually calling you a liar, I am simply asking you to back up your statements with facts.

Yet here you are, saying it is "unreasonable" to expect people to actually back up their claims.

You know, there are actually several ways out of this pit you have dug yourself. First, actually provide the proof of your claims. If you do that, I am actually one of the first that will admit you are actually correct.

Or secondly, you can simply admit you made a mistake. No biggie, really, we all do that from time to time. No harm, no foul.

Or, you could simply admit you did not know what you were talking about. Once again, no harm no foul. And I would actually tip my hat for you admitting the fact.

Or, you can continue to "give the finger" to everybody that says something you do not like, even if what they are saying is actually correct and you do not know what you are talking about.

Any way it goes, I myself really do not give a fig. And I find your behavior especially interesting, as I am actually one of the more unbiased individuals you will meet in here. However, I do have a big thing for accuracy, and against people who evade facts and spin in circles and attack others when it is completely uncalled for.

So want me to be "reasonable"? Then it is simple, back up your claims. That is what adults do, they do not act like two year olds having temper tantrums because somebody questions something they said.

The only ones throwing a tantrum about tranies in the military are you idiots. Get over yourselves already. Or simply get out of you can't deal with life.

 

[Seymour Flops]

That man is more of a man as a woman than you could ever be. It takes courage to become who you were always meant to be and all you can be. Should have been a marine. Kudos to her !!!

As a matter of fact, that man is exactly as much of a woman as ever I could be, which is no woman at all.

As a heterosexual man, you would have sex with "her?"

 

[Stann]

As a matter of fact, that man is exactly as much of a woman as ever I could be, which is no woman at all.

As a heterosexual man, you would have sex with "her?"

You pessimistic and atrocious attitude towards people you don't never know makes me think no one should touch you with a ten foot pole.

 

[daveman]

Not interested , you guys think you know it all. No sense in reasoning with any of you.

Your "reasoning" is not based on reason, but on things you believe are true with no source to back them up.

And people who know how it works are not going to change our minds based on your emotions.

 

[daveman]

No disrespect to our military from me here, but i just can't see a platoon of Corporal Klingers being a threat.......~S~

Nor would their enemies on the battlefield.

 

[Stann]

Nor would their enemies on the battlefield.

It doesn't work that way anymore. Segregation is over in the military. Thought you guys. Would know that.

 

[daveman]

It doesn't work that way anymore. Segregation is over in the military. Thought you guys. Would know that.

It's already been well established that your views on the military are worthless.

Meanwhile, what does segregation have to do with how our enemies perceive our Soldiers on the battlefield?

Hint: Nothing.

 

[ThisIsMe]

There is no way to account for it. A person who gets the same number of pull ups, planks and XX:XX time on their 3 mile run would get 2 wildly different scores depending on whether you use the men’s or women’s grading metrics.

If you take the max reps/times for each event for a woman (score 300) and apply them to the male scale the score drops to 232. That’s a drop of 74 points out of 100 towards your composite score. The same would apply for the CFT. It’s not insignificant. Your PFT/CFT score tie into Pro/Com marks as well which is part of the composite score. A mediocre male Marine would immediately be at the top of his MOS/Rank grouping from that perspective

And I'm sure our military is smart enough to account for that. If you exhibit male physiology, then you are guaged according to the male requirements.


But you do bring up a good point. For combat roles, should there be different physical requirements for men than there are for women? In a combat situation, the battlefield doesn't care if you are male or female, so you need to be able to perform in the exact same way every time.

If you are a male and are required to be able to carry a wounded soldier on your back or drag them a certain distance to safety, that requirement should apply to a woman desiring to be in a combat role, the exact same as for a man, right?

 

[Stann]

It's already been well established that your views on the military are worthless.

Meanwhile, what does segregation have to do with how our enemies perceive our Soldiers on the battlefield?

Hint: Nothing.

No one is completely wrong about what they believe. I'm certain the military accrues sick leave at the same rate as do civilian workers. It's simply kept for official data rather than stated as such to the troops. They have to gauge medical use somehow and a baseline would prove helpful.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Can a soldier perform “their” duties on a combat deployment if they have to have a once a week hormone shot?

If female soldiers are required to shower with biological males will their morale and thus their effectiveness be negatively affected?

Will soldiers take seriously being ordered into battle by a commander who looks like this:

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Or would “they” be fragged as soon as the battle started?

Mailpersons, irs accountants, even U. S. Marshall’s can function while transgender. Soldiers, no. No matter how willing, they won’t be capable and will be a liability.

Can a soldier perform “their” duties on a combat deployment if they have to have a once a week hormone shot?

If they can't then they don't get in. Simple as that.

If female soldiers are required to shower with biological males will their morale and thus their effectiveness be negatively affected?

No idea. I'm sure they can work that out.

Will soldiers take seriously being ordered into battle by a commander who looks like this:

If that person is their commanding officer and is competent, they wouldn't have a choice.

Again, my requirements for my decision are clear. If they are fully capable of performing their duties and are not going to weaken the military, then I don't see a problem.

You do bring up some good points, admittedly, but my stance has always been if they can do the job and not weaken the military, I don't see an issue.