Donald Trump to kick transgender troops out of US military

[Seymour Flops]

Disclosures exist for that very reason. The material is BIASED, no way around that.

Every study published has disclosures. Doesn’t mean no science is valid,

Certainly doesn’t mean you know more than the researchers.

 

[ThisIsMe]

It is a hindrance to others serving or thinking about serving.

Normal people DONT WANT TO SERVE WITH THEM. Military is not a 9 to 5 job

OK I guess I'm not understanding. If they are fully capable of discharging their duties in the military, what is the problem? Just that you don't like it?

Please explain it to me.

 

[eagle1462010]

OK I guess I'm not understanding. If they are fully capable of discharging their duties in the military, what is the problem? Just that you don't like it?

Please explain it to me.

You go serve with them. Sleep in foxholes with them. Live in same berthings with them.

Normal people dont want to serve if they have to live with these mentally ill people.

 

[The Duke]

Post the regulation that they are violating. Again you typing nonsense on the interwebs doesnt count as evidence.

I heard it was section 8, brah. Ofc that was on M.A.S.H., but that may very well be it.

 

[Stann]

Every study published has disclosures. Doesn’t mean no science is valid,

Certainly doesn’t mean you know more than the researchers.

LOL , I never said I know more than researchers ,I simply implied that in order to reach their conclusions they were biased. Scientific studies that are biased aren't worth the paper they are written on.

 

[Mushroom]

If they are fully capable of discharging their duties in the military

If one is unable to be deployed, then they are clearly incapable of discharging their duties.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You go serve with them. Sleep in foxholes with them. Live in same berthings with them.

Normal people dont want to serve if they have to live with these mentally ill people.

Again, that all goes with, if they are FULLY CAPABLE of doing their duty, then how is their service different than anyone else's?

if a trans person is willing to put their life on the line to defend your freedom, are you really going to worry about their lifestyle?

 

[Stann]

You go serve with them. Sleep in foxholes with them. Live in same berthings with them.

Normal people dont want to serve if they have to live with these mentally ill people.

I never heard of a transgender attacking a fellow military member but I'm certain the reverse is true. Hatred and bigotry are taught. It is not impossible to overcome. Get help.

 

[ThisIsMe]

If one is unable to be deployed, then they are clearly incapable of discharging their duties.

Are we losing something in translation here? If they are unable to be deployed, then they wouldn't be fully capable of discharging their duties, thus not applying to what I'm talking about.

 

[eagle1462010]

Again, that all goes with, if they are FULLY CAPABLE of doing their duty, then how is their service different than anyone else's?

if a trans person is willing to put their life on the line to defend your freedom, are you really going to worry about their lifestyle?

You want to live with them. Go ahead.

This is why many are not joining now. No one wants to serve wirh them.

 

[Stann]

If one is unable to be deployed, then they are clearly incapable of discharging their duties.

And they are deployable yes so I guess your argument is mute.

 

[Stann]

You want to live with them. Go ahead.

This is why many are not joining now. No one wants to serve wirh them.

Thank you for not serving.

 

[Seymour Flops]

LOL , I never said I know more than researchers ,I simply implied that in order to reach their conclusions they were biased. Scientific studies that are biased aren't worth the paper they are written on.

You have no evidence of bias that would not also apply to every other single study published. You’re just being stubborn you don’t want to admit that you’re wrong.

 

[Mushroom]

And they are deployable yes so I guess your argument is mute.

No, actually they are not. Because they require hormone treatments for the rest of their lives. Therefore are considered to have a terminal medical condition and can not be deployed.

This is similar to why I was no longer deployable my last several years in. I use a CPAP for severe sleep apnea, so was deemed undeployable.

Once again, this is the difference between somebody that actually knows and understands the military, and somebody like you who is simply making it all up as you go along.

Oh, and I am still waiting on the military regulation about "medical leave" which states that if you take too much you can be discharged.

 

[The Duke]

And they are deployable yes so I guess your argument is mute.

Operation Tranny Shield! Always at the front lines!

 

[Seymour Flops]

No, actually they are not. Because they require hormone treatments for the rest of their lives. Therefore are considered to have a terminal medical condition and can not be deployed.

This is similar to why I was no longer deployable my last several years in. I use a CPAP for severe sleep apnea, so was deemed undeployable.

Once again, this is the difference between somebody that actually knows and understands the military, and somebody like you who is simply making it all up as you go along.

Oh, and I am still waiting on the military regulation about "medical leave" which states that if you take too much you can be discharged.

Stann learn from people who no more than you, rather than your childish "thumbs down."

The military is different when it comes to "sick leave." I never heard that term in 12 years in the Army. If you were too sick to work as a private, you went on sick call, you couldn't just call in sick and take a sick day.

Sick call was the Army's clinic, and an Army doctor or civilian doctor working for the Army, would either clear you to go to work, clear you to go to work with a "profile" which was an excuse for not doing something like heavy lifting or running, or would give you "quarters," meaning you stay in the barracks for however many days.

Do you really think that people wounded on the battlefield have to watch the calendar to make sure they don't use up all their sick leave? To the Army, any injury or illness is treated the same. Unless it was not "in the line of duty."

But "line of duty" includes recreational activities. The only thing that would not be "line of duty" would be getting hurt doing something you're not supposed to, like DUI, or getting in a fight at an off-limits club.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You want to live with them. Go ahead.

This is why many are not joining now. No one wants to serve wirh them.

I think you misunderstand me. Let's be clear, PERSONALLY, I think the gay/trans life is considered a sin and goes against nature, but I also recognize that not everyone believes what I believe and therefore, I have no right to try and interfere in someone else's life. Unless they are harming me In some way, or doing something that would harm others, I believe in let them live their best life.

If a trans person decides they want to serve their country, is capable of serving without any issues and is willing to put their life on the line for their country, it's not my place to try and stand in their way..

 

[daveman]

I didn't ask him if he was in the military. He simply worked at the base , that's possible. Do civilians also sign up for certain timelines of service ?

Some civilian jobs have a specified length. Most are permanent.

That's how he refered to it. He has accrued 3 months of sick leave.

He's a civilian employee, then.

 

[Stann]

your childish "thumbs down."

What is the problem ? The thumbs up symbol is there for people you agree with , the thumps down is there for people you disagree with. What do you think it means ? I simple disagree with either or both the context of what is said / implied . You shouldn't feel.theatened by that.

 

[daveman]

Since the military can discharge an enlisted man for excessive use of medical leave there must be a system in place that accrues the amount of time available for each soldier. An accrual system. Wether it is offered as such I am not privy to that information. I was never sick the entire time ( short ) I was in. That's why I thought it was interesting.

You are wrong. There is no such system in place for active-duty military. Your suppositions do not reflect reality.