Donald Trump to kick transgender troops out of US military

[Couchpotato]

I got out in 94 Navy.

Never heard of sick leave. Doubt it's there now too... .

I think Srann is full of it or using too much of his own products.

It doesnt exist. Stann is full of shit but wont just admit he was wrong.

 

[ThisIsMe]

They cannot do the job, by definition.

Not unless you are willing to forego "treatment" for their "gender dysphoria" while they serve. You don't get to leave the battlefield once a week to get another hormone shot. "Bottom surgery" will mean having to dilate your "vagina" for a year, in order to ready it for a variety of men to insert their penises into.

Recovery from orchiectomy - removal of the testes - is about two to three weeks, but I suspect most liberal men have had that done already as part of joining the feminist cult.

Of course, they will not forego such expensive and time-consuming treatment since that is what they joined in the first place for. I wonder who is laughing at taxpayers more, these "service members" who are soaking up free "gender affirming care" or that idiot Manning who got the full transformation while serving time for spying against the country that paid for it.

People can do all that and still have jobs so they could do it and have military careers. If they are in a combat zone, tough luck, they have a job to do and that takes precedent over their transition procedures, but, we're not always in combat.

this is why I said, if they are able to do the job, more power to them. If they are unable to do the job, then they shouldn't sign up

 

[eagle1462010]

People can do all that and still have jobs so they could do it and have military careers. If they are in a combat zone, tough luck, they have a job to do and that takes precedent over their transition procedures, but, we're not always in combat.

this is why I said, if they are able to do the job, more power to them. If they are unable to do the job, then they shouldn't sign up

Thus bringing down the moral of others serving with mentally ill people.

Its not a freaking day job. You have to live with these freaks.

The military is not a demacracy and it DOESNT NEED THEM

 

[ThisIsMe]

Thus bringing down the moral of others serving with mentally ill people.

Its not a freaking day job. You have to live with these freaks.

The military is not a demacracy and it DOESNT NEED THEM

Again, this all hinges on my statement "if they can do the job"...it all boils down to that. By that, I mean, if they are capable of continuously performing their duties up to the standards of military service, then I see no issue. As long as they can fully discharge their duties and not be a hindrance to anyone else, as I stated earlier.

 

[eagle1462010]

Again, this all hinges on my statement "if they can do the job"...it all boils down to that. By that, I mean, if they are capable of continuously performing their duties up to the standards of military service, then I see no issue. As long as they can fully discharge their duties and not be a hindrance to anyone else, as I stated earlier.

It is a hindrance to others serving or thinking about serving.

Normal people DONT WANT TO SERVE WITH THEM. Military is not a 9 to 5 job

 

[Stann]

They can? Please explain to me exactly how that can happen, and exactly what order or regulation allows them to do that.

And I am also curious, why "enlisted man"? They can only do that to men, and the enlisted? Not officers? Not women?

Sorry, that is completely nonsensical. Please give us any reason to believe that claim, because I have never heard of that.

Just ask in the question box on your phone , can the military discharge someone for excessive use of sick leave ? It'll come up. And the answer is yes. All part of military readiness. It's just common sense.

 

[Mushroom]

Just ask in the question box on your phone , can the military discharge someone for excessive use of sick leave ? It'll come up. And the answer is yes. All part of military readiness. It's just common sense.

Translation, you have absolutely no evidence. You are simply making things up, and not getting pissy that others are challenging you on your nonsense. But here is how debate works. If you make a claim and somebody challenges your claim, it is up to you to validate your claim. You do not get to just tell others to validate your claim for you.

But no, it will not come up because the military does not use a "sick leave" system like civilian employers use. It is not "military readiness", it is not "common sense". You are simply throwing around buzz words because you think they are impressive. But to somebody like me, you are obviously following the "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit". Well, sadly for you both your brilliance and bullshit have completely and utterly failed.

So last time, this is called "put up or shut up". You have made multiple claims on how the military does things, but have provided absolutely no evidence. Other than a single time referencing a single document that is completely unrelated to this topic. Want to disagree with me, that is fine. But that does not eliminate the need for you to validate your own claims. Because in my decades in serving in the military, I have rarely heard such unmitigated bullshit.

And trust me, as a Mushroom I am very well versed in people who are full of bullshit.

Oh, and in response to what you demanded?

Can The Military Discharge Someone For Excessive Use Of Sick Leave

For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Can the military discharge someone for excessive use of sick leave' themselves.

letmegooglethat.com

And as always, completely ignore the top part of the search results. That is AI generated now, and almost always a complete and utter failure. Because it can not really comprehend what it is trying to answer, especially when it is very specific like relating to the military. Ask anybody who actually wore the uniform, and they will say how nonsensical that question is.

 

[Seymour Flops]

I just can't be that selfish. End of story.

The classic liberal lie "I'm unselfish!"

Not true. You support these kind of payments by normal people to non-normal people because you either are benefiting or expect to benefit.

This would be a good time for you to be honest and tell us how.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

You fool. There are no heterosexual pedophiles. There are no homosexual pedophiles. There are no Bisexual pedophiles. Pedophilia is a perversion ( occurs after puberty ). Pedophiles are just that pedophiles , they stand alone in on their perversion.

the priest scandal proved you wrong.

 

[Seymour Flops]

You fool. There are no heterosexual pedophiles. There are no homosexual pedophiles. There are no Bisexual pedophiles. Pedophilia is a perversion ( occurs after puberty ). Pedophiles are just that pedophiles , they stand alone in on their perversion.

Here is some science you could read if you want to stop sounding so foolish:

Sexual Attraction to Others: A Comparison of Two Models of Alloerotic Responding in Men - PMC

The penile response profiles of homosexual and heterosexual pedophiles, hebephiles, and teleiophiles to laboratory stimuli depicting male and female children and adults may be conceptualized as a series of overlapping stimulus generalization ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The first goal of the present studies was to investigate which conceptualization—the summation model or the bipolar dimension model—best describes the sexual responding of men in general, where “men in general” are represented by a heterogeneous sample of adult males with a wide range of erotic preferences. The second goal was to investigate whether the same model works best for each of six subgroups of men: homosexual pedophiles (most attracted to prepubescent boys), heterosexual pedophiles (most attracted to prepubescent girls), homosexual hebephiles (most attracted to pubescent boys), heterosexual hebephiles (most attracted to pubescent girls), homosexual teleiophiles (most attracted to physically mature men), and heterosexual teleiophiles (most attracted to physically mature women).

The lie that there are "no homosexual pedophiles" is intended to avoid gay men being stigmatized as potential pedophiles. A better way to do that would be to show evidence that pedophilia is no more prevalent among gay men than straight.

I recommend you research that, and report back to us what you find - whether it is what you hope or not.

 

[Couchpotato]

Just ask in the question box on your phone , can the military discharge someone for excessive use of sick leave ? It'll come up. And the answer is yes. All part of military readiness. It's just common sense.

Post the regulation that they are violating. Again you typing nonsense on the interwebs doesnt count as evidence.

 

[Stann]

the priest scandal proved you wrong.

The priest scandal proved that pedophiles seek positions of authority.( Priests , Coaches , Boy Scout Leaders , Teachers ) that get them.close to children , so they can manipulate and utilize them.

 

[Stann]

Post the regulation that they are violating. Again you typing nonsense on the interwebs doesnt count as evidence.

Common sense.

 

[Couchpotato]

Common sense.

LOL What's the number on the "common sense" regulation? Oh and please post a link to it.

 

[Mushroom]

Common sense.

Translation: There is no such regulation so you are making up bullshit.

Because anybody that has ever actually served in the military knows that "common sense" does not apply, and there are orders and regulations that are written down and cover almost everything. Even things like how to tie a tie and how long your belt can extend past your belt buckle are covered in writing by orders and regulations.

This is how most cases of "Stolen Valor" are caught, by the way. Some civilian that never served a day in uniform tries to make crap up. And it may work great on other civilians, but those who actually served can smell the bullshit a mile away.

 

[Stann]

Here is some science you could read if you want to stop sounding so foolish:

Sexual Attraction to Others: A Comparison of Two Models of Alloerotic Responding in Men - PMC

The penile response profiles of homosexual and heterosexual pedophiles, hebephiles, and teleiophiles to laboratory stimuli depicting male and female children and adults may be conceptualized as a series of overlapping stimulus generalization ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The first goal of the present studies was to investigate which conceptualization—the summation model or the bipolar dimension model—best describes the sexual responding of men in general, where “men in general” are represented by a heterogeneous sample of adult males with a wide range of erotic preferences. The second goal was to investigate whether the same model works best for each of six subgroups of men: homosexual pedophiles (most attracted to prepubescent boys), heterosexual pedophiles (most attracted to prepubescent girls), homosexual hebephiles (most attracted to pubescent boys), heterosexual hebephiles (most attracted to pubescent girls), homosexual teleiophiles (most attracted to physically mature men), and heterosexual teleiophiles (most attracted to physically mature women).

The lie that there are "no homosexual pedophiles" is intended to avoid gay men being stigmatized as potential pedophiles. A better way to do that would be to show evidence that pedophilia is no more prevalent among gay men than straight.

I recommend you research that, and report back to us what you find - whether it is what you hope or not.

The disclosure on the top of the first page
states this information is more or less unreliable and suspect to prejudice.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The disclosure on the top of the first page
states this information is more or less unreliable and suspect to prejudice.

It states nothing like that.

I understand why you would want to run away from it.

 

[Stann]

It states nothing like that.

I understand why you would want to run away from it.

Disclosures exist for that very reason. The material is BIASED, no way around that.

 

[Mushroom]

It states nothing like that.

I understand why you would want to run away from it.

Kinda like his claim about military personnel and sick leave. Several of us have asked for that specific order or regulation, which he is completely unable to provide.

Yet even more amazingly, he insists he is right, and everybody else is wrong even though he can not actually back up pretty much anything he claims.

Brings a new definition to the term "ASVAB waiver".

 

[Couchpotato]

Kinda like his claim about military personnel and sick leave. Several of us have asked for that specific order or regulation, which he is completely unable to provide.

Yet even more amazingly, he insists he is right, and everybody else is wrong even though he can not actually back up pretty much anything he claims.

Brings a new definition to the term "ASVAB waiver".

I’m not sure it’s stupidity keeping him from admitting he’s wrong g