Don

[late]

Obama did great damage and created division, GWB passed the Patriot Act and Bidens DOJ literally went after the man he would debate for the presidency just a couple of years later. What they did to Trump under Bidens term was horrific. If anyone has ever experienced the oppressive abuses of the state they would appreciate just how damaging it is. Trump had the popularity and wealth to withstand it (even though they tried to take his money too), very few do have those resources.

Biden not only avoided scrutiny while he hid from questions and was walking around aimlessly in public, but, he pardoned his own son for unnamed crimes going back a decade. That is going to be difficult to top though it is not impossible only improbable.

I do not know if Trumps decisions are hurting the U.S Republic, I would pray he would not do so but instead build guardrails to protect the U.S Republic. THAT is the best way to be remembered.

The SAVE Act was a big deal and an attempt to protect your elections. Avoiding the mail-in ballot etc. So I wonder just who it is who is blocking the protection of the democratic, of which voting is the central tenet.

Do you always

So if its printed in Wikipedia, it must be fact? ITMT Ace, if you actually read your own article, you would realize that everything listed in it is merely just the government applying the law to get back to a sensible, constitutional republic as envisioned by our Founders to undo the damage done by radical extremist progressives in recent years of subversive activity designed to attack the USA from within--- China's stated objective based on ancient strtategies of Sun Tzu.

We don't need a "project" for that, we just need to apply the law and common sense values again.

Did you fall and hit your head in a motorcycle accident?

Your failure to respond in a meaningful way is duly noted.

Using the absurd notion you want to be a responsible adult, read the whole thing, and respond to what I said.

 

[Nostra]

In just one year Trump's issued over 150% more executive orders than Biden did in all 4 years.

Tater broke a bunch of shit.

 

[toobfreak]

Google AI

I knew it. Heads full of oat straw now rely on machines created by far left activists to tell them far left ideologies to tell them what and how to think. Put simply, your own ideas are not even your own ideas anymore--- you are being programed by Google.

 

[Lockback]

Do you always

Your failure to respond in a meaningful way is duly noted.

Using the absurd notion you want to be a responsible adult, read the whole thing, and respond to what I said.

This thread is laughable.

 

[Robert W]

"American democracy has evolved from a limited, 18th-century constitutional republic into a more inclusive system through centuries of political, social, and often violent struggles
. Originally designed to restrict direct voter power, the system gradually expanded voting rights, removing property requirements and race/gender exclusions, with many arguing full democracy only appeared post-1965."
Google AI


"How old were you when the United States became a democracy?

Until fairly recently, that would have seemed like a peculiar question. The big story of the United States is that it’s always been a democracy — that democracy was the whole point of overthrowing British rule.

That’s the story that gets celebrated on July 4, with fireworks and parades and picnics and (my personal favorite) those sheet cakes tiled with berries in the shape of stars and stripes.

And that’s the story that I learned in school as a child. I’m guessing most other people who grew up in the United States probably learned it too. But these days, if you speak to many experts on American history or political science, you’ll often hear something very different.

“As a person who studies autocracy, there’s no way I would code the U.S. as a democracy prior to 1965, before the passing of the Voting Rights Act,” Anne Meng, a University of Virginia political scientist, told me in January.

“From our measures, the United States is not the oldest and best democracy in the world. It’s one of the relatively young democracies, like Portugal,” said Staffan Lindberg, the director of the V-Dem Institute, a global democracy tracker. “In our measures, if you look at the liberal democracy or even the electoral Democracy index for us, the United States doesn’t become a good democracy until after 1970.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/05/world/us-democracy-voting-rights-act.html

It is as childish and absurd to say we are solely a republic as it is to say we are fully democratic.

We are a hybrid.

Nobody changed us from a Republic to a Democracy. Who invented Democracy(The Greeks) and they all voted on all issues. We never were a democracy since it was difficult to get us all to vote on all or even many issues.

 

[Concerned American]

Do you always miss the obvious?

Do you always post BS? Nice try to deflect from your own ignorant assertion.

 

[Nostra]

Ain't that simple.

But thanks for mentioning voter suppression.

How is it voter suppression to deny illegal votes?

 

[Concerned American]

This thread is laughable.

Ignorant rookie. He isn't going to like it here.

 

[SaxonJackson]

"American democracy has evolved from a limited, 18th-century constitutional republic into a more inclusive system through centuries of political, social, and often violent struggles
. Originally designed to restrict direct voter power, the system gradually expanded voting rights, removing property requirements and race/gender exclusions, with many arguing full democracy only appeared post-1965."
Google AI


"How old were you when the United States became a democracy?

Until fairly recently, that would have seemed like a peculiar question. The big story of the United States is that it’s always been a democracy — that democracy was the whole point of overthrowing British rule.

That’s the story that gets celebrated on July 4, with fireworks and parades and picnics and (my personal favorite) those sheet cakes tiled with berries in the shape of stars and stripes.

And that’s the story that I learned in school as a child. I’m guessing most other people who grew up in the United States probably learned it too. But these days, if you speak to many experts on American history or political science, you’ll often hear something very different.

“As a person who studies autocracy, there’s no way I would code the U.S. as a democracy prior to 1965, before the passing of the Voting Rights Act,” Anne Meng, a University of Virginia political scientist, told me in January.

“From our measures, the United States is not the oldest and best democracy in the world. It’s one of the relatively young democracies, like Portugal,” said Staffan Lindberg, the director of the V-Dem Institute, a global democracy tracker. “In our measures, if you look at the liberal democracy or even the electoral Democracy index for us, the United States doesn’t become a good democracy until after 1970.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/05/world/us-democracy-voting-rights-act.html

It is as childish and absurd to say we are solely a republic as it is to say we are fully democratic.

We are a hybrid.

Contrary to popular belief, the Constitution is not a "living document." It has been amended but by a Constitutional process. It's still the law of the land (or should be). A "Democracy" is 5 Wolves and a Sheep voting on what's for dinner.

 

[Lockback]

How is it voter suppression to deny illegal votes?

I mean, you can't make this shit up.
That's how messed up these clowns are.

 

[toobfreak]

Your failure to respond in a meaningful way is duly noted.

Wow, you even talk like a machine, programmed in true cult fashion to use literally the exact same words as 50 other tards on this group, and even for the exact same reason, to deflect from not having a cogent answer to an argument you were unprepared for.

What-- do they hand out a little answer booklet to all you tards with questions and preferred answers as example of how to debate?

 

[Nostra]

America is a REPUBLIC not a democracy. How many times have you recited the pledge and said "and to the democracy for which it stands?" Educate yourself noob.

That one probably refuses to say the pledge.

 

[toobfreak]

Contrary to popular belief, the Constitution is not a "living document." It has been amended but by a Constitutional process.

It can't be a living document otherwise, its original meaning and intent would have been lost long ago to continual rewrites to adapt it to current trends and political desires.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It is obvious that late is just the latest iteration sock account of a paid Democrat bot!

He joined yesterday and has one less reaction point than his 45 posts. That tells it all.

Now placing him on ignore. I suggest all intelligent people do the same.

 

[toobfreak]

So you have nothing. Great, another dingbat Dimtard.

I think LB was agreeing with you.

 

[Robert W]

"American democracy has evolved from a limited, 18th-century constitutional republic into a more inclusive system through centuries of political, social, and often violent struggles
. Originally designed to restrict direct voter power, the system gradually expanded voting rights, removing property requirements and race/gender exclusions, with many arguing full democracy only appeared post-1965."
Google AI


"How old were you when the United States became a democracy?

Until fairly recently, that would have seemed like a peculiar question. The big story of the United States is that it’s always been a democracy — that democracy was the whole point of overthrowing British rule.

That’s the story that gets celebrated on July 4, with fireworks and parades and picnics and (my personal favorite) those sheet cakes tiled with berries in the shape of stars and stripes.

And that’s the story that I learned in school as a child. I’m guessing most other people who grew up in the United States probably learned it too. But these days, if you speak to many experts on American history or political science, you’ll often hear something very different.

“As a person who studies autocracy, there’s no way I would code the U.S. as a democracy prior to 1965, before the passing of the Voting Rights Act,” Anne Meng, a University of Virginia political scientist, told me in January.

“From our measures, the United States is not the oldest and best democracy in the world. It’s one of the relatively young democracies, like Portugal,” said Staffan Lindberg, the director of the V-Dem Institute, a global democracy tracker. “In our measures, if you look at the liberal democracy or even the electoral Democracy index for us, the United States doesn’t become a good democracy until after 1970.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/05/world/us-democracy-voting-rights-act.html

It is as childish and absurd to say we are solely a republic as it is to say we are fully democratic.

We are a hybrid.

Democrats are not one-bit liberals.

 

[Nostra]

I think LB was agreeing with you.

Good catch. I thought I was responding to the newbie idiot.

 

[toobfreak]

Give me something to defend.

Well lessee:

• It can't be your dignity, you lost that long ago.
• It can't be your manhood, you lost that even farther back!
• So it must be your PRINCIPLES! Nope, you never had any.

I give up then, what can you defend?

 

[MarathonMike]

Ain't that simple.

But thanks for mentioning voter suppression.

Voter suppression LOL

 

[Winco]

Well lessee:

• It can't be your dignity, you lost that long ago.
• It can't be your manhood, you lost that even farther back!
• So it must be your PRINCIPLES! Nope, you never had any.

I give up then, what can you defend?

Since we were talking about defending trump, I guess there is no defense for the lying, cheating fraudster named trump.