Doge reduced warning and response time for the Texas flood.

[Nostra]

Can anyone demonstrate how the actions by the NWS in Texas this weekend differed from any previous massive flood?

: crickets: from the scumbag Dimwingers should chose to shit on dead children because ORANGE MAN BAD.

 

[Sunsettommy]

I did address the fact that just another report that there might be a flood, the same report that is issued dozens of times per year, was not sufficient for what occurred.

You didn't address the facts I posted thus you have nothing to say against it.

They issued warnings over 24 hours ahead of time, they posted the map of the predicted heavy rain totals for the area that were close to the totals.

You are ignoring the facts of the actual weather reports of the agency that Dr. Mass showed.

 

[BULLDOG]

That insufficiency was not caused by lack of staff, drooling one

Explain how having a random person not experienced in a position replacing someone experienced in a particular position doesn't reduce effectiveness.

 

[SweetTea]

You MAGA cult members think claiming something has been debunked makes it so. That Jedi mind trick works on trump's cult but not so much for others. Trump gutted the NWS on Musk's order, and that reduced their effectiveness. No matter how much you tap-dance around it, that is still a fact.

No, that is not a fact at all. That is an opinion. The NWS has a history of making the same mistakes as little as 4 years ago when they were FULLY staffed under Biden.

 

[SweetTea]

Explain how having a random person not experienced in a position replacing someone experienced in a particular position doesn't reduce effectiveness.

Private companies do that frequently and seem to find a way to be just as effective and profitable. Experienced people retire or move to other companies. Public entities have not been forced to play by the rules of the real world outside of endless funds, until now. It is long overdue.

 

[BULLDOG]

You didn't address the facts I posted thus you have nothing to say against it.

They issued warnings over 24 hours ahead of time, they posted the map of the predicted heavy rain totals for the area that were close to the totals.

You are ignoring the facts of the actual weather reports of the agency that Dr. Mass showed.

I predict a hurricane will hit the US sometime this year. There. Now that that's out of the way, there is no further obligation to provide further information.

 

[SweetTea]

I predict a hurricane will hit the US sometime this year. There. Now that that's out of the way, there is no further obligation to provide further information.

Again, so lets agree for a minute that the NWS failed to do their jobs effectively. Is this the first time they have done that? If so, you may have a point, but it isn't.

 

[rightwinger]

Trump gutted the NWS on Musk's order, and that reduced their effectiveness.

Trump has been pissed at NWS since they wouldn’t back his fake hurricane predictions

 

[BULLDOG]

You didn't address the facts I posted thus you have nothing to say against it.

They issued warnings over 24 hours ahead of time, they posted the map of the predicted heavy rain totals for the area that were close to the totals.

You are ignoring the facts of the actual weather reports of the agency that Dr. Mass showed.

Wrong the actual totals were much higher than predicted.

Texas floods, weather forecast latest updates: Flash floods, heavy rains predicted on Monday by Met officials. Details here

Guadalupe River reached 29.45 feet -- its second highest level on record, surpassing the levels that led to the devastating flood of 1987 in the same area, according to the weather service.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Nostra]

Explain how having a random person not experienced in a position replacing someone experienced in a particular position doesn't reduce effectiveness.

How much experience did the replacements have?

Show us your data.

 

[Sunsettommy]

No, that is not a fact at all. That is an opinion. The NWS has a history of making the same mistakes as little as 4 years ago when they were FULLY staffed under Biden.

Yes, they are not as good as other predicting weather agencies which I posted about that Dr. Mass covered on his blogsite back in early May, it is a long known problem long before Trump came around as President:

NOAA's Forecast Model Has A Drop Out Problem​

May 8, 2025

Excerpt:

Many weather scientists have noted that NOAA's global weather prediction model, the GFS, is now in fourth place, behind the European Center, the UK Meteorology Office, and the Canadians.

This is pretty depressing considering the U.S. spends more on weather prediction research and development than all those groups combined. This NOAA global model is the foundation of U.S. operational weather prediction efforts; thus, Americans are experiencing inferior weather forecasts as a result.

But it is worse than that.

NOAA global predictions have a severe "drop out" problem in which there are sharp, precipitous declines in forecast skill. Major declines in skill not shared by other major weather prediction centers.

Let me show you.

LINK

 

[rightwinger]

You didn't address the facts I posted thus you have nothing to say against it.

They issued warnings over 24 hours ahead of time, they posted the map of the predicted heavy rain totals for the area that were close to the totals.

You are ignoring the facts of the actual weather reports of the agency that Dr. Mass showed.

NOAA sometimes gets it wrong. Predictions are like that.

But it shows they have to do better with their prediction models, not make do with less people and funding

 

[BULLDOG]

How much experience did the replacements have?

Show us your data.

They obviously didn't have as much experience in those positions as the ones who they replaced.

 

[SweetTea]

Wrong the actual totals were much higher than predicted.

Texas floods, weather forecast latest updates: Flash floods, heavy rains predicted on Monday by Met officials. Details here

Guadalupe River reached 29.45 feet -- its second highest level on record, surpassing the levels that led to the devastating flood of 1987 in the same area, according to the weather service.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Is this the first time their predictions have been wrong?

 

[Sunsettommy]

Wrong the actual totals were much higher than predicted.

Texas floods, weather forecast latest updates: Flash floods, heavy rains predicted on Monday by Met officials. Details here

Guadalupe River reached 29.45 feet -- its second highest level on record, surpassing the levels that led to the devastating flood of 1987 in the same area, according to the weather service.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Bwahahahahahahaha, you didn't look at my source that showed up to 5-10 inches at the rate 1-3 inches per hour.

A heavy precipitation event was forecast for the region during the previous days. For example, the NOAA/NWS HRRR forecast from 8 PM July 3 (the evening before) predicted a band of heavy rain over central Texas.

As the event got closer, with National Weather Service radar showing the event unfolding, the San Antonia office made the threat explicit, noting a very dangerous flash event.

3-7 inches fallen in the last 2-3 hours was mentioned.

You are ignoring the evidence again.

 

[Sunsettommy]

NOAA sometimes gets it wrong. Predictions are like that.

But it shows they have to do better with their prediction models, not make do with less people and funding

The problem has been known for years as they are simply not as good as other major weather forecasting groups which was addressed by Dr. Mass 2 months ago on his weather blog

NOAA's Forecast Model Has A Drop Out Problem​

Excerpt:

Many weather scientists have noted that NOAA's global weather prediction model, the GFS, is now in fourth place, behind the European Center, the UK Meteorology Office, and the Canadians.

This is pretty depressing considering the U.S. spends more on weather prediction research and development than all those groups combined. This NOAA global model is the foundation of U.S. operational weather prediction efforts; thus, Americans are experiencing inferior weather forecasts as a result.

LINK

 

[citygator]

MAGA: Inflation goes up WORLD WIDE and far less in the US... ******* BIDEN RUINED EVERYTHING!!!

ALSO MAGA: Trump guts the NWS, the worst flood fatalities in modern history is mis-forecasted... TRUMP DID EVERYTHING RIGHT!!!

 

[citygator]

 

[SweetTea]

MAGA: Inflation goes up WORLD WIDE and far less in the US... ******* BIDEN RUINED EVERYTHING!!!

ALSO MAGA: Trump guts the NWS, the worst flood fatalities in modern history is mis-forecasted... TRUMP DID EVERYTHING RIGHT!!!

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that the NWS mis-forecasted in 2021 and caused 20+ deaths? Is that Trump and DOGE's fault also?

 

[Nostra]

They obviously didn't have as much experience in those positions as the ones who they replaced.

Prove it, scumbag.