Doge reduced warning and response time for the Texas flood.

[frigidweirdo]

No, of course that's not what I'm saying. To begin with, there were warnings in both cases. Secondly, even with two days' warning, more people died in North Carolina. It is because of that and because of the speed at which the waters rose in this case that I am not convinced that earlier warnings or an early warning system would have made a difference.

And as I said, I am not, and will not, lay the deaths of young girls at anyone's feet unless I see solid evidence that their actions or inaction were a contributing factor. That is just too heavy a burden of guilt to just blithely throw out there based on circumstantial evidence.

The difference here is that in North Carolina nobody was camping beside a river. No kids died because nobody had told them that bad weather was coming.

A hurricane is a huge event. It covers half the state at least, it impacts so many people, and the winds are so strong that it's difficult to react.

In Kerrville, they were dealing with harsh weather ELSEWHERE, that led to lots of water coming at them. So, A) it's not obvious to those on the ground and B) all you need to do is get out of there and move to higher ground. The solution is far more simple than a hurricane where you have to move to another state which isn't always an option.

You want to see evidence of inaction?

Texas officials scrapped ‘Flash Flood Alley’ warning system before 27 killed at Camp Mystic — because it was too expensive

Officials in Kerr County, Texas — where 27 campers and counselors at a Christian summer camp were killed in catastrophic flooding — had discussed installing a flood warning system along…

nypost.com

"Officials in Kerr County, Texas — where 27 campers and counselors at a Christian summer camp were killed in catastrophic flooding — had discussed installing a flood warning system along the banks of the Guadalupe River, known as “Flash Flood Alley,” but it was rejected as too expensive."

 

[rightwinger]

He took the job and then when the country needed him the most...he took a 3 month leave of absence! Who does that? He might very well BE a fantastic father but he was an AWFUL Transportation Secretary! Every single time there was a crisis in Transportation, Mayor Pete was clueless.

Pete accomplished more as Transportation Sec than anyone in a generation

 

[frigidweirdo]

But isn't that what's being implied? Social media is full of left-wing activists blaming Trump's cuts to federal government agencies.

By some, yes.

That's partisan politics. I hate partisan politics, it's destroying the US.

I guess the problem was that merge of threads, you were replying to one thing, I've been talking about something else.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Pete accomplished more as Transportation Sec than anyone in a generation

What pray tell were Mayor Pete's accomplishments, Winger?
The following article pretty much sums up what his tenure looked like as a Cabinet Secretary...

Pete Buttigieg’s Tainted Transportation Legacy – DC Journal - InsideSources

Now that the Biden administration has ended, historians and political observers have started to reflect upon the legacy of the former president and his

dcjournal.com

 

[rightwinger]

What pray tell were Mayor Pete's accomplishments, Winger?
The following article pretty much sums up what his tenure looked like as a Cabinet Secretary...

Pete Buttigieg’s Tainted Transportation Legacy – DC Journal - InsideSources

Now that the Biden administration has ended, historians and political observers have started to reflect upon the legacy of the former president and his

dcjournal.com

After passage of the historic Bipartisan Infrastructure Law in 2021, the Department stood up more than 40 new programs that allowed for the tens of thousands of projects now taking shape in communities across America – projects that are fueling the growth of good-paying skilled trade jobs, spurring long-needed modernization in communities of all sizes, including rural and Tribal regions, and giving states and cities the ability to carry out projects that had been on the backburner for years or even decades due to a lack of funding. Many of the projects – like replacing a major bridge, launching a new passenger rail line, eliminating a rail crossing in the middle of town, or adding frequency to a bus route – will be coming online in the years to come as part of our Infrastructure Decade.

During his tenure, Secretary Buttigieg also oversaw the largest expansion of airline passenger rights and accessibility in a generation. At the same time, flight cancellations dropped and air traffic controller hiring went up. Secretary Buttigieg also led the Department in adopting new rail safety regulations after the Norfolk Southern derailment in 2023, and he challenged Congress and industry to do even more to improve freight rail safety. He also helped lead the Biden-Harris Administration’s efforts to unsnarl supply chains amid the pandemic-fueled disruptions and make them more resilient and efficient for the long-term, and, after declaring the number of deaths on our roads a crisis and announcing a national strategy in 2022, Secretary Buttigieg oversaw two and half years of declining roadway deaths and the adoption of new rules to make safety technology on new vehicles standard, not a costly add-on.

Secretary Buttigieg was in charge of the Department’s response to the collapse of Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge, the Colonial Pipeline cyberattack, Hurricanes Helene and Milton, and the I-95 fire and rebuild in Philadelphia, among other emergencies. He also worked with international partners to resolve global supply chain issues and advance important safety and climate goals in aviation and shipping

 

[Nostra]

After passage of the historic Bipartisan Infrastructure Law in 2021, the Department stood up more than 40 new programs that allowed for the tens of thousands of projects now taking shape in communities across America – projects that are fueling the growth of good-paying skilled trade jobs, spurring long-needed modernization in communities of all sizes, including rural and Tribal regions, and giving states and cities the ability to carry out projects that had been on the backburner for years or even decades due to a lack of funding. Many of the projects – like replacing a major bridge, launching a new passenger rail line, eliminating a rail crossing in the middle of town, or adding frequency to a bus route – will be coming online in the years to come as part of our Infrastructure Decade.

During his tenure, Secretary Buttigieg also oversaw the largest expansion of airline passenger rights and accessibility in a generation. At the same time, flight cancellations dropped and air traffic controller hiring went up. Secretary Buttigieg also led the Department in adopting new rail safety regulations after the Norfolk Southern derailment in 2023, and he challenged Congress and industry to do even more to improve freight rail safety. He also helped lead the Biden-Harris Administration’s efforts to unsnarl supply chains amid the pandemic-fueled disruptions and make them more resilient and efficient for the long-term, and, after declaring the number of deaths on our roads a crisis and announcing a national strategy in 2022, Secretary Buttigieg oversaw two and half years of declining roadway deaths and the adoption of new rules to make safety technology on new vehicles standard, not a costly add-on.

Secretary Buttigieg was in charge of the Department’s response to the collapse of Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge, the Colonial Pipeline cyberattack, Hurricanes Helene and Milton, and the I-95 fire and rebuild in Philadelphia, among other emergencies. He also worked with international partners to resolve global supply chain issues and advance important safety and climate goals in aviation and shipping

And we got 8 EV charging stations.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

The difference here is that in North Carolina nobody was camping beside a river. No kids died because nobody had told them that bad weather was coming.

A hurricane is a huge event. It covers half the state at least, it impacts so many people, and the winds are so strong that it's difficult to react.

In Kerrville, they were dealing with harsh weather ELSEWHERE, that led to lots of water coming at them. So, A) it's not obvious to those on the ground and B) all you need to do is get out of there and move to higher ground. The solution is far more simple than a hurricane where you have to move to another state which isn't always an option.

107 people died in North Carolina and most of those deaths were due to the flooding. And yes, a few were kids.

You want to see evidence of inaction?

Texas officials scrapped ‘Flash Flood Alley’ warning system before 27 killed at Camp Mystic — because it was too expensive

Officials in Kerr County, Texas — where 27 campers and counselors at a Christian summer camp were killed in catastrophic flooding — had discussed installing a flood warning system along…

nypost.com

"Officials in Kerr County, Texas — where 27 campers and counselors at a Christian summer camp were killed in catastrophic flooding — had discussed installing a flood warning system along the banks of the Guadalupe River, known as “Flash Flood Alley,” but it was rejected as too expensive."

I said I would not lay the deaths of these young girls at anyone's feet unless I saw solid evidence that their actions or inaction were a contributing factor.

Not installing the early warning system might be considered an inaction of sorts but it is not proof that it was a contributing factor to the deaths from this storm.

 

[frigidweirdo]

107 people died in North Carolina and most of those deaths were due to the flooding. And yes, a few were kids.

I said I would not lay the deaths of these young girls at anyone's feet unless I saw solid evidence that their actions or inaction were a contributing factor.

Not installing the early warning system might be considered an inaction of sorts but it is not proof that it was a contributing factor to the deaths from this storm.

Well, you and I see things very differently.

A hurricane is a huge event, it was the strongest hurricane since 2005 in the US. You're going to get deaths. Question is, is it going to be 105 or is it going to be 1,392 or is it going to be 100,000?

With the floods in Texas, you could probably have expected deaths. However the deaths of the kids in the camp by the river was totally and utterly unacceptable. It was a "early warning systems would have prevented those deaths 100%"

 

[BULLDOG]

Doge only has the powers of investigation and recommendation. It cannot cut funds to anything.

Correct, however, Musk's advice to cut funds were acted on, and only when there a a massive pushback were they not followed. Think of it in terms of a payroll. Musk didn't write the check, but he controlled the leger and told the clerk what to do. For all practical purposes, he made the cuts.

Doge recommended canceling 54 federal contracts, which agencies then terminated, saving $804 million.
Doge pushed for staff reductions at the National Weather Service, which agencies implemented, contributing to critical forecasting gaps during the Texas floods

 

[HikerGuy83]

You didnt respond. Try reading again. I'll make the font bigger.

100%, without a doubt, readiness was compromised by cutting 880 staff from the NOA 15 days after the inauguration with zero impact studies and zero science behind the reductions other that 1. were they probationary from a job change or 2. were they nearing retirement. 6 of only 26 staff were cut from the local center including the Warning Coordinator.

You cannot prove there was no impact. I can, 100% prove the process was haphazard, reckless, and there was not enough time to study the impact of the cuts to safety, that direct staffing was indeed cut, and that workers report bad morale, overworked conditions, stress, lack of people to get the job done, office coverage is cut, and less weather analysis and research is happening.

 

[HikerGuy83]

How much time would you need to assess what cuts to the NWS are needed and which cuts could put lives in jeapordy?

You tell me. You are the analytics guy (I guess).

The NOAA fired 880 people 15 days after the inauguration.

And if they had fired them six months before ?

 

[Nostra]

Can anyone demonstrate how the actions by the NWS in Texas this weekend differed from any previous massive flood?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Well, you and I see things very differently.

A hurricane is a huge event, it was the strongest hurricane since 2005 in the US. You're going to get deaths. Question is, is it going to be 105 or is it going to be 1,392 or is it going to be 100,000?

With the floods in Texas, you could probably have expected deaths. However the deaths of the kids in the camp by the river was totally and utterly unacceptable. It was a "early warning systems would have prevented those deaths 100%"

Thing is, you don't know that.

An early warning system would certainly be an improvement, generally speaking, but we don't have evidence yet that even that would have prevented the death toll.

From what I'm gathering, this storm became extremely intense and dropped a shitload of rain in a very short time. As a result, the river rose 25-26 feet in two hours in some places and as little as 45 minutes in others.

Given this, I am not ruling out the possibility that everything just happened too fast. I get the impression that, though flash flood warnings were issued, no one expected that much rain in that short a time or for the river to rise that fast.

As for me, I won't be calling for Trump, DOGE, the NWS or anybody to be marched to the gallows until after a thorough investigation is completed. It is way too soon yet to be leveling allegations and it is most certainly too soon to be talking about the camp being "Whites Only". I know you didn't mention anything about that but I bring it up to illustrate how hysterical and irrational people are getting over this.

 

[SweetTea]

No, but staffing the NWS with qualified professionals would

This isn't the first time they have missed a forecast and cause deaths you know.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Thing is, you don't know that.

An early warning system would certainly be an improvement, generally speaking, but we don't have evidence yet that even that would have prevented the death toll.

From what I'm gathering, this storm became extremely intense and dropped a shitload of rain in a very short time. As a result, the river rose 25-26 feet in two hours in some places and as little as 45 minutes in others.

Given this, I am not ruling out the possibility that everything just happened too fast. I get the impression that, though flash flood warnings were issued, no one expected that much rain in that short a time or for the river to rise that fast.

As for me, I won't be calling for Trump, DOGE, the NWS or anybody to be marched to the gallows until after a thorough investigation is completed. It is way too soon yet to be leveling allegations and it is most certainly too soon to be talking about the camp being "Whites Only". I know you didn't mention anything about that but I bring it up to illustrate how hysterical and irrational people are getting over this.

Are you kidding me?

Had those kids been taken out of that camp at 6pm the night before, do you think the death rate for those floods would have been the same?

It's not difficult to know the answer is NO.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Wow, so what you have now is "there was an unexpected storm....TRUMP"

The desperation....

Not what was said...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Gotta name fuckstick?

What are you, a baby? You have eyes, use them.

2nd time posted

Texas Officials Blame Agency Gutted by Trump for Results of Deadly Storm

Experts warned for months about cuts to NWS and NOAA

www.meidasplus.com

 

[Nostra]

What are you, a baby? You have eyes, use them.

2nd time posted

Texas Officials Blame Agency Gutted by Trump for Results of Deadly Storm

Experts warned for months about cuts to NWS and NOAA

www.meidasplus.com

He asked for a name. This is all ya got:

At a press conference last night, one official said


The rest of your link is just the same lies that have been debunked for days now.

 

[Orangecat]

Correct,

Indeed.

 

[Mack Brazile]

Goddamnit ******* *****, Soros lol