Does Trump really have a mandate? Far less than other guys.

[DonGlock26]

Does Trump really have a mandate?​

Yes.

 

[dblack]

don't know if I said that, and frankly, never really denied they do in this case.

Obama said it. One of the most toxic notions in politics. Basically saying, "Suck it!" to anyone who disagreed with his agenda.

Now Trump is playing the same game. Neither party gives a single fuck about consensus, or real leadership. All they care about is scoring points in the "culture war".

 

[1srelluc]

OP is following the DNC talking points, they must have issued new ones to their minions.....I saw some old leftist hag harping on the exact same thing today.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, because less overarching government, peace, and a better economy is SO fascist.

You are a Useful Idiot. But outside of parroting your leftist programming, you're not at all useful.

Trump isn't going to bring us any of those things. He certainly didn't last time.

Stop drinking the bleach.

 

[JoeB131]

Obama said it. One of the most toxic notions in politics. Basically saying, "Suck it!" to anyone who disagreed with his agenda.

Now Trump is playing the same game. Neither party gives a single fuck about consensus, or real leadership. All they care about is scoring points in the "culture war".

I guess.

not that the Libertarians have any answers, other than, "Let's get enough votes so we can get that sweet federal subsidy."

 

[dblack]

I guess.

not that the Libertarians have any answers, other than, "Let's get enough votes so we can get that sweet federal subsidy."

 

[OKTexas]

So for all those claiming Trump has a mandate... let's look at that.

Trump got 49.9% of the vote in an election where 37% of the electorate didn't vote at all.

Now, let's look at some other presidents who had supposed "Mandates" for their second terms. We'll only limit ourselves to guys who got second terms. This is an expansion on my point about how no presidents really have good second terms. I will include presidents who won re-election after getting the job because the last guy died.

Obama- won 51.1% of the vote. Not considered a mandate by Republicans, who won the Senate in the Next midterm
Dubya Bush - Won 50.7% of the vote. Lost both houses of Congress in the next midterm.
Clinton - Won 49.2% of the vote in a three way race. Got impeached in his second term.
Reagan - Won 58.8% of the vote and 49 States- Still lost the senate in his midterm, and was mired in the Iran Contra Scandal.
Nixon - Won a whopping 60.7% of the vote and 49%. Was forced to resign BEFORE the next midterm due to Watergate.
Johnson* - Won 61.1% of the vote and 44 states. Vietnam and the various riots, he couldn't even show his face in 1968
Eisenhower - Ike- Won 57.4% of the vote. His second term wasn't bad, just kind of unremarkable. Democrats took 15 senate seats and 39 House seats in the midterm.
Truman* - Won 49.6% of the vote in a four way race. Second term he lost both houses of Congress and got us mired in a war in Korea.
FDR - Won 60.8% - he still lost ground to the GOP in the midterm and the economic recovery sputters.
Coolidge* - Won 54% Didn't do jack diddly. After he left, the roof fell in.
Wilson- Won 49.2% of the vote. Got us into WWI after promising to keep us out. Republicans took the House and Senate in 1918.


* Got to put an asterisk on this one, because he was filling out someone else

So here's the thing. All these guys claimed to have a mandate, but it didn't turn out that way for most of them.

R=31 D=19 Trump won 62% of the States and the PV, for all the good that does. Kneepads didn't improve over xiden in even 1 of the 3,244 counties in the US. Yeah, I'd call that a mandate.

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[BackAgain]

I am a fan of what JFK (if my memory serves) said about mandates:

He supposed that a majority of one vote constituted a mandate.

 

[justoffal]

So for all those claiming Trump has a mandate... let's look at that.

Trump got 49.9% of the vote in an election where 37% of the electorate didn't vote at all.

Now, let's look at some other presidents who had supposed "Mandates" for their second terms. We'll only limit ourselves to guys who got second terms. This is an expansion on my point about how no presidents really have good second terms. I will include presidents who won re-election after getting the job because the last guy died.

Obama- won 51.1% of the vote. Not considered a mandate by Republicans, who won the Senate in the Next midterm
Dubya Bush - Won 50.7% of the vote. Lost both houses of Congress in the next midterm.
Clinton - Won 49.2% of the vote in a three way race. Got impeached in his second term.
Reagan - Won 58.8% of the vote and 49 States- Still lost the senate in his midterm, and was mired in the Iran Contra Scandal.
Nixon - Won a whopping 60.7% of the vote and 49%. Was forced to resign BEFORE the next midterm due to Watergate.
Johnson* - Won 61.1% of the vote and 44 states. Vietnam and the various riots, he couldn't even show his face in 1968
Eisenhower - Ike- Won 57.4% of the vote. His second term wasn't bad, just kind of unremarkable. Democrats took 15 senate seats and 39 House seats in the midterm.
Truman* - Won 49.6% of the vote in a four way race. Second term he lost both houses of Congress and got us mired in a war in Korea.
FDR - Won 60.8% - he still lost ground to the GOP in the midterm and the economic recovery sputters.
Coolidge* - Won 54% Didn't do jack diddly. After he left, the roof fell in.
Wilson- Won 49.2% of the vote. Got us into WWI after promising to keep us out. Republicans took the House and Senate in 1918.


* Got to put an asterisk on this one, because he was filling out someone else

So here's the thing. All these guys claimed to have a mandate, but it didn't turn out that way for most of them.

Mandate is a lousy word. It's confrontational.... Authoritarian and immediately creates divisiveness.
If you're trying to sell something to a split audience it's a terrible position to take.

 

[westwall]

“Trump’s margin of victory, historically speaking, is very small. Although he may have won handily in the Electoral College by 312 to 226, he is estimated to win the popular vote by around 1.6 percent. That puts him in 16th place among post-Second World War presidential victories, just behind Jimmy Carter, but ahead of his 2016 performance when he lost the popular vote but still won the keys to the White House.”

Despite what he says, Trump actually has a very small mandate

Trump doesn’t have the mandate he thinks he does, presidential historians tell Richard Hall — and Democrats should stop acting like he does

www.independent.co.uk

There is no Trump ‘mandate.’

In your dreams, chones.

 

[JoeB131]

R=31 D=19 Trump won 62% of the States and the PV, for all the good that does. Kneepads didn't improve over xiden in even 1 of the 3,244 counties in the US. Yeah, I'd call that a mandate.

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49.9% of the vote. Most people didn't want him.

No mandate.

Buyer's remorse to follow.

 

[JoeB131]

Mandate is a lousy word. It's confrontational.... Authoritarian and immediately creates divisiveness.
If you're trying to sell something to a split audience it's a terrible position to take.

Wow, that's actually... insightful.

Here's the thing. When Bush won his second term, with a mere 50.1% of the vote, he still tried to work with Democrats to get some things done. Some of them weren't good ideas. His own party balked at privatizing social security.

If Trump's whole governance style is going to be relying on a scared slim majority to get stuff done, he's probably going to fail.

 

[Delldude]

So for all those claiming Trump has a mandate... let's look at that.

Winning..........you lost.

Get a grip.

 

[JoeB131]

Winning..........you lost.

Get a grip.

Naw, Buyer's Remorse is already setting in.

The fact that Trump is so scared of his own party that he has to appoint toadies instead of people who are competent says it all.

The man knows that the GOP can't wait for his approval numbers to hit low enough to invoke the 25th Amendment.

 

[Nostra]

So for all those claiming Trump has a mandate... let's look at that.

Trump got 49.9% of the vote in an election where 37% of the electorate didn't vote at all.

Now, let's look at some other presidents who had supposed "Mandates" for their second terms. We'll only limit ourselves to guys who got second terms. This is an expansion on my point about how no presidents really have good second terms. I will include presidents who won re-election after getting the job because the last guy died.

Obama- won 51.1% of the vote. Not considered a mandate by Republicans, who won the Senate in the Next midterm
Dubya Bush - Won 50.7% of the vote. Lost both houses of Congress in the next midterm.
Clinton - Won 49.2% of the vote in a three way race. Got impeached in his second term.
Reagan - Won 58.8% of the vote and 49 States- Still lost the senate in his midterm, and was mired in the Iran Contra Scandal.
Nixon - Won a whopping 60.7% of the vote and 49%. Was forced to resign BEFORE the next midterm due to Watergate.
Johnson* - Won 61.1% of the vote and 44 states. Vietnam and the various riots, he couldn't even show his face in 1968
Eisenhower - Ike- Won 57.4% of the vote. His second term wasn't bad, just kind of unremarkable. Democrats took 15 senate seats and 39 House seats in the midterm.
Truman* - Won 49.6% of the vote in a four way race. Second term he lost both houses of Congress and got us mired in a war in Korea.
FDR - Won 60.8% - he still lost ground to the GOP in the midterm and the economic recovery sputters.
Coolidge* - Won 54% Didn't do jack diddly. After he left, the roof fell in.
Wilson- Won 49.2% of the vote. Got us into WWI after promising to keep us out. Republicans took the House and Senate in 1918.


* Got to put an asterisk on this one, because he was filling out someone else

So here's the thing. All these guys claimed to have a mandate, but it didn't turn out that way for most of them.

312-226 = LANDSLIDE = MANDATE!

 

[Nostra]

Naw, Buyer's Remorse is already setting in.

The fact that Trump is so scared of his own party that he has to appoint toadies instead of people who are competent says it all.

The man knows that the GOP can't wait for his approval numbers to hit low enough to invoke the 25th Amendment.

Still waiting for that link to your delusional buyers remorse, Simp.

 

[Delldude]

Naw, Buyer's Remorse is already setting in.

You voted for Him then?

The man knows that the GOP can't wait for his approval numbers to hit low enough to invoke the 25th Amendment.

Rosenstein left the FBI.

The fact that Trump is so scared of his own party that he has to appoint toadies instead of people who are competent says it all.

Other way around, proof the deep state exists and doesn't want to change,

 

[daveman]

Trump isn't going to bring us any of those things. He certainly didn't last time.

Stop drinking the bleach.

We'll just see, won't we? And have you been given excuses yet why your life isn't better when it is, by every metric?

You're just bitchy that your totalitarian-wannabe party lost.

 

[daveman]

Mandate is a lousy word. It's confrontational.... Authoritarian and immediately creates divisiveness.
If you're trying to sell something to a split audience it's a terrible position to take.

Comrade Iosef likes authoritarianism, though -- as long as his party is in charge.

He's a good Soviet man.

 

[JoeB131]

Other way around, proof the deep state exists and doesn't want to change,

The "Deep State" is the only thing that kept Trump's first term from being more of a disaster than it was.

You voted for Him then?

No, but the people who did are already regretting it.

Opinion - The Trump majority may soon feel buyers’ remorse

The 2024 election results suggest that the Trump majority may soon have cause for second thoughts, as the proposed tax cuts and tariffs could lead to increased inflation and worker shortages, leading to higher interest rates and a more expensive labor force.

www.yahoo.com

We'll just see, won't we? And have you been given excuses yet why your life isn't better when it is, by every metric?

My life is better than it was in 2020. My life in 2020 was worse than it was in 2016. But then I knew Trump was going to fuck things up, so I took actions to protect myself and my interests.