Does Trump really have a mandate? Far less than other guys.

[daveman]

I don't wonder at all.

They're stupid.

I mean, really, really fucking stupid. Like generations of inbreeding stupid.

Most Rural Counties would be even poorer if it weren't for government subsidies. Yet they keep voting in Republicans and wonder why they are still poor.

We all chipped in and got you this.

Nope, I have a home business and then I have a business which is a shop, which is really my wife's business, but I do all the paperwork and handle all the administrative shit like licenses and taxes.

Uh huh. Gotta go with the panhandling thing.

FIrst, it's Willie Brown.

Second Brown and his wife have been "separated" since 1982. I doubt either one of them were celibate.

So, yet again, you're okay with Democrats having sex, but you hate it when Republicans have sex.

I agree, they have a function to perform, and I'd have no problem if there was an effort to make the government more efficient. Republicans talks smack about that every time they run, and really, not much seems to happen.

Good news! Have you heard about DOGE? You'll hate it. Their mission is to trim useless government agencies.

And you will scream and cry and bitch and moan about every cut they make.

But given how often you've bragged about sucking off the government teet in your life, I think you are the last one to complain.

The government and I made a deal. I give them 20 years of my life, and they give me a small pension.

Hardly "sucking off the government teet [sic]".

 

[JoeB131]

We all chipped in and got you this.

Why, I'm well-liked by most people I know.

So, yet again, you're okay with Democrats having sex, but you hate it when Republicans have sex.

Well, here's the thing. When Democrats have sex, they don't try to interfere in anyone else's sex life. They aren't hypocrites about it.

It's also CONSENSUAL, which seems to be a concept Trump and Hegseth seem to be fuzzy on.

Democrats hold their own accountable for sexual misconduct - i.e. Al Franken, Andrew Cuomo, Anthony Weiner, Eliot Spitzer.

Good news! Have you heard about DOGE? You'll hate it. Their mission is to trim useless government agencies.

If Musk runs it like Twitter, Tesla, and SpaceX, I'm sure we are all going to hate it.

And you will scream and cry and bitch and moan about every cut they make.

again, given that it will damage the economy and access to services, you betcha.

The government and I made a deal. I give them 20 years of my life, and they give me a small pension.

Hardly "sucking off the government teet [sic]".

Sounds like it to me. Why should you get a pension for a job you stopped doing, if you are already going to get Social Security. That seems like a wasteful expenditure that we could cut right there. You were paid for your 20 years. That should have been good enough.

 

[Robert W]

Not a fiction, an established fact. The banks and real estate industry knew they were making bad loans to people who couldn't afford them, kept doing it, Set aside for a second that Bush's SEC, FDIC, and FSLIC weren't doing their jobs, even with the still fairly recent example of the S&L Crisis in 1990. (The one where Bush's Daddy had to raise taxes to save the S&L's)

You have no idea at all how those magic banks you speak of operate. You think they love home loans. The truth is banks make loans that they get much more interest on. Few banks engaged in making home loans. Bush busted his ass heading off the problems and was stopped by the Democrats in the congress, not some other magical entity.

 

[Robert W]

Bush had Republican congresses from 2001 to 2007. The idea that he couldn't get a law passed if he wanted to is silly. He had no problem getting tax cuts for the rich and a war with Iraq through congress based on lies.

Bush was stopped in the Senate. The lie you speak of came from General Colin Powell who blames the CIA.

 

[Robert W]

Not a fiction, an established fact. The banks and real estate industry knew they were making bad loans to people who couldn't afford them, kept doing it, Set aside for a second that Bush's SEC, FDIC, and FSLIC weren't doing their jobs, even with the still fairly recent example of the S&L Crisis in 1990. (The one where Bush's Daddy had to raise taxes to save the S&L's)



Harris pushed for RESPONSIBLE home ownership. Again, it wasn't really poor people buying homes that was the problem here. It was middle class people buying McMansions they didn't need, and couldn't afford, on the hope to flip them in a few years.


Bush had Republican congresses from 2001 to 2007. The idea that he couldn't get a law passed if he wanted to is silly. He had no problem getting tax cuts for the rich and a war with Iraq through congress based on lies.



I think I've got a pretty good bead on it. Republicans fucked up the economy, because that's what they do.

That's why 10 of the last 11 recessions happened when Republicans were in charge. (The only exception being the 1980 recession that happened on Carter's watch.)

I have no clue what you are good at doing. I know for a fact you do not understand the housing crisis you are trying to play us as fools over. I know the truth.

 

[Robert W]

. He thought increased home ownership was the best thing since sliced bread.

It is best. For one thing, they own the property. And unless they fuck it up, they will own property they can pass to the children upon death. Rentals make the landlords rich.

 

[Robert W]

I recognize that while government is frequently inept, corporations are just fucking evil.

Joe, name a corporation that regulated you, forced you to pay high prices or other ills?

Government has caused you a lot of grief.

 

[Robert W]

Maybe Joe's businesses were panhandling. Paperwork requirements are almost nonexistent.

Or if JoeB131 sells drugs, he is ducking the law.

 

[bdtex]

So for all those claiming Trump has a mandate... let's look at that.

Trump got 49.9% of the vote in an election where 37% of the electorate didn't vote at all.

Now, let's look at some other presidents who had supposed "Mandates" for their second terms. We'll only limit ourselves to guys who got second terms. This is an expansion on my point about how no presidents really have good second terms. I will include presidents who won re-election after getting the job because the last guy died.

Obama- won 51.1% of the vote. Not considered a mandate by Republicans, who won the Senate in the Next midterm
Dubya Bush - Won 50.7% of the vote. Lost both houses of Congress in the next midterm.
Clinton - Won 49.2% of the vote in a three way race. Got impeached in his second term.
Reagan - Won 58.8% of the vote and 49 States- Still lost the senate in his midterm, and was mired in the Iran Contra Scandal.
Nixon - Won a whopping 60.7% of the vote and 49%. Was forced to resign BEFORE the next midterm due to Watergate.
Johnson* - Won 61.1% of the vote and 44 states. Vietnam and the various riots, he couldn't even show his face in 1968
Eisenhower - Ike- Won 57.4% of the vote. His second term wasn't bad, just kind of unremarkable. Democrats took 15 senate seats and 39 House seats in the midterm.
Truman* - Won 49.6% of the vote in a four way race. Second term he lost both houses of Congress and got us mired in a war in Korea.
FDR - Won 60.8% - he still lost ground to the GOP in the midterm and the economic recovery sputters.
Coolidge* - Won 54% Didn't do jack diddly. After he left, the roof fell in.
Wilson- Won 49.2% of the vote. Got us into WWI after promising to keep us out. Republicans took the House and Senate in 1918.


* Got to put an asterisk on this one, because he was filling out someone else

So here's the thing. All these guys claimed to have a mandate, but it didn't turn out that way for most of them.

He had no coattails in the House. GOPs actually lost 2 seats. 4 Democrats won Senate races in states Trump won. He got less than 50% of the popular vote. The only mandate he has is what he can get through a 53-47 Senate and a House Majority that will start the session at 217-215. He's already burning political capital nominating wholly unqualified Cabinet and other administrative nominees.

 

[daveman]

Why, I'm well-liked by most people I know.

Doubt it.

Well, here's the thing. When Democrats have sex, they don't try to interfere in anyone else's sex life. They aren't hypocrites about it.

It's also CONSENSUAL, which seems to be a concept Trump and Hegseth seem to be fuzzy on.

Democrats hold their own accountable for sexual misconduct - i.e. Al Franken, Andrew Cuomo, Anthony Weiner, Eliot Spitzer.

How about Epstein's Island visitors? Did you ever wonder why Maxwell got convicted of selling children to...nobody, apparently?

Who were the buyers, and why is the FBI keeping it secret?

And no, you never wondered about it, because you were told to not ask questions.

If Musk runs it like Twitter, Tesla, and SpaceX, I'm sure we are all going to hate it.

Twitter's fine. You leftists hate it because it no longer silences conservative voices. Y'all hate free speech, after all.

Tesla's dog crap. Their products are shit.

But SpaceX has advanced space flight further than any other organization in history. But it's not a government agency, so bootlickers like you hate it.

again, given that it will damage the economy and access to services, you betcha.

"Damage the economy". Is that the fear-mongering line you were told to parrot?

Your handler is only slightly less stupid than you are.

Sounds like it to me. Why should you get a pension for a job you stopped doing, if you are already going to get Social Security. That seems like a wasteful expenditure that we could cut right there. You were paid for your 20 years. That should have been good enough.

It was the contract me and the government signed. Your bitching and moaning that I did something you couldn't or wouldn't is utterly immaterial. I earned it.

Leftists hate the idea of people earning benefits. You believe everything should be dispensed by an all-powerful but benevolent government.

Move to Cuba.

 

[daveman]

Joe, name a corporation that regulated you, forced you to pay high prices or other ills?

Government has caused you a lot of grief.

Leftists have a Dominant Daddy/Little Girl relationship with government. When government does something to them that any normal person would see as oppressive, the leftists say, "Thank you for noticing me, Daddy! May I have another?"

 

[JoeB131]

You have no idea at all how those magic banks you speak of operate. You think they love home loans. The truth is banks make loans that they get much more interest on. Few banks engaged in making home loans. Bush busted his ass heading off the problems and was stopped by the Democrats in the congress, not some other magical entity.

Bullshit. Bush had six years in Congress where his party held the majority.

He. Did. Nothing.

Joe, name a corporation that regulated you, forced you to pay high prices or other ills?

Government has caused you a lot of grief.

Pretty much every company I've worked for has fucked me over in some way or another.

Government has never caused me an ounce of grief. In fact, I can thank government for my education (Post HS) and giving me a career path through the military.

It is best. For one thing, they own the property. And unless they fuck it up, they will own property they can pass to the children upon death. Rentals make the landlords rich.

Oh, generally, I would agree. Home ownership is a good thing. But that isn't what caused the crisis. What caused the crisis is banks making loans to middle class folks for more house than they needed. Then taking those shit loans and selling them off as investments by misrepresenting their value.

 

[JoeB131]

How about Epstein's Island visitors? Did you ever wonder why Maxwell got convicted of selling children to...nobody, apparently?

Who were the buyers, and why is the FBI keeping it secret?

And no, you never wondered about it, because you were told to not ask questions.

Actually, I do wonder about Epstein.
I wonder why there are so many pictures of Epstein and Trump palling around.
I wonder why Trump's Secretary of Labor was the one who gave Epstein a sweetheart deal on his first case.
I wonder why Epstein mysteriously died in prison on Trump's watch.
I wonder why Trump wished Maxwell the best of luck.

You see, these are the things I wonder about. But I'm sure Trump covered his track pretty well the first time he was in.

Twitter's fine. You leftists hate it because it no longer silences conservative voices. Y'all hate free speech, after all.

Actually, it's become a cesspool of hate speech and conspiracy theories.

But SpaceX has advanced space flight further than any other organization in history. But it's not a government agency, so bootlickers like you hate it.

SpaceX is a corporate welfare plot.

"Damage the economy". Is that the fear-mongering line you were told to parrot?

Republicans bring recessions every time they are in office.

It was the contract me and the government signed. Your bitching and moaning that I did something you couldn't or wouldn't is utterly immaterial. I earned it.

I considered staying the full 20 years, but I'm glad I didn't, especially the way the Military was abused in the WOT.

 

[daveman]

Actually, I do wonder about Epstein.
I wonder why there are so many pictures of Epstein and Trump palling around.
I wonder why Trump's Secretary of Labor was the one who gave Epstein a sweetheart deal on his first case.
I wonder why Epstein mysteriously died in prison on Trump's watch.
I wonder why Trump wished Maxwell the best of luck.

You see, these are the things I wonder about. But I'm sure Trump covered his track pretty well the first time he was in.

That's about the most desperate fantasy I've ever heard regarding Epstein.

Given how the FBI and DoJ have such a personal animosity against Trump, if he was involved in anything shady regarding Epstein, we'd have known about it.

No, most of the island's visitors were Democrats. Guaranteed.

Actually, it's become a cesspool of hate speech and conspiracy theories.

Y'all really hate freedom of speech, don't you?

SpaceX is a corporate welfare plot.

Sure, never mind the fact they've developed amazing spacecraft. Or are those just all special effects? What kind of bullshit do you believe is going on with SpaceX?

Republicans bring recessions every time they are in office.

Uh huh.

I considered staying the full 20 years, but I'm glad I didn't, especially the way the Military was abused in the WOT.

Uh huh.

 

[JoeB131]

Dave, your arguments are getting weaker.

That's about the most desperate fantasy I've ever heard regarding Epstein.

Given how the FBI and DoJ have such a personal animosity against Trump, if he was involved in anything shady regarding Epstein, we'd have known about it.

No, most of the island's visitors were Democrats. Guaranteed.

Are you saying EVERY last person in the DOJ and FBI was hostile to Trump? That he had no one who could "take care of a little problem"?

Y'all really hate freedom of speech, don't you?

I have no problem with it, as long as there's accountability. Not sure if we have that in the age of irresponsible social media.

Sure, never mind the fact they've developed amazing spacecraft. Or are those just all special effects? What kind of bullshit do you believe is going on with SpaceX?

They are sucking up a bunch of money from the government that should be spent developing a new Space Shuttle.

 

[daveman]

Dave, your arguments are getting weaker.

Your inability to understand simple concepts is a you problem, and is not my responsibility.

Are you saying EVERY last person in the DOJ and FBI was hostile to Trump? That he had no one who could "take care of a little problem"?

Pathetic.

I have no problem with it, as long as there's accountability. Not sure if we have that in the age of irresponsible social media.

Funny how it seems to be only conservatives that need to be held accountable.

They are sucking up a bunch of money from the government that should be spent developing a new Space Shuttle.

Don't need one. SpaceX's reusable boosters and rockets are far cheaper. Let's see what NASA had to say about it six years ago:

The Recent Large Reduction in Space Launch Cost

The development of commercial launch systems has substantially reduced the cost of
space launch. NASA’s space shuttle had a cost of about $1.5 billion to launch 27,500 kg to
Low Earth Orbit (LEO), $54,500/kg. SpaceX’s Falcon 9 now advertises a cost of $62 million
to launch 22,800 kg to LEO, $2,720/kg. Commercial launch has reduced the cost to LEO by
a factor of 20.

Starship's on track to lower the price per kilogram to orbit to less than $200.

Private enterprise is simply cheaper than massive government programs. It really is undeniable.

 

[Robert W]

Home ownership is a good thing. But that isn't what caused the crisis. What caused the crisis is banks making loans to middle class folks for more house than they needed. Then taking those shit loans and selling them off as investments by misrepresenting their value.

So even you see homeownership as a good thing. Why would your magic Banks think otherwise? Banks were generally not making home loans. Fannie and Freddie ruled my industry. They fucked things up and went bankrupt. I am not teaching you again. You play the part of the fool.

 

[JoeB131]

Funny how it seems to be only conservatives that need to be held accountable.

Not quite. The problem with social media is that any fool living in his mother's basement can start a fake rumor that 'goes viral' and ruins someone's life. Unlike traditional media which have assets you can go after, the law holds the SM Platforms immune.

At least Facebook and some of the others TRY to do some moderation.

Don't need one. SpaceX's reusable boosters and rockets are far cheaper. Let's see what NASA had to say about it six years ago:

I guess. Ask the two astronauts who got stranded on the ISS for six months because we didn't have a way to get them down if this is awesome.

 

[JoeB131]

So even you see homeownership as a good thing. Why would your magic Banks think otherwise? Banks were generally not making home loans. Fannie and Freddie ruled my industry. They fucked things up and went bankrupt. I am not teaching you again. You play the part of the fool.

Because the banks were the ones looking at the credit reports, looking at the earnings and tax returns, looking at the appraisals, and writing loans for people who had no business buying a McMansion.

So why did they do it? Because as long as property values kept shooting up, it really didn't matter if Bob Middle Class defaulted before he could flip his McMansion. They could foreclose and sell the McMansion to the next sucker, and still collect a couple of years of interest payments and maybe even keep the downpayment!

We socialized risk and capitalized gain. And if it all went pear-shaped, the government would bail them out.

 

[daveman]

Not quite. The problem with social media is that any fool living in his mother's basement can start a fake rumor that 'goes viral' and ruins someone's life. Unlike traditional media which have assets you can go after, the law holds the SM Platforms immune.

You're right. We'd better have the government step in and tell people what they may and (more importantly) may not say.

Sound good to you, Comrade?

At least Facebook and some of the others TRY to do some moderation.

Yes, they do like to silence conservatives or anyone who questions the State.

I guess. Ask the two astronauts who got stranded on the ISS for six months because we didn't have a way to get them down if this is awesome.

Oh, you mean the people who got stuck in orbit because the Boeing/NASA partnership spacecraft sucked?