Zone1 Does this makes sense? Dahmer is (allegedly) in Heaven but Catholics are going to Hell?!

[initforme]

If one confesses their sins and asks for forgiveness one is saved.

 

[forkintheroad7]

If one confesses their sins and asks for forgiveness one is saved.

saved from what? saved for how long?

You know, there are other scripture psgs in the Bible. I've read the entire thing so I know...

it's really dangerous to hang your whole eternal destiny on 2 or 3 psgs or even 20 while ignoring the rest of them

 

[Meriweather]

None of that changes the absolute insanity of God sacrificing Himself to Himself to change a rule that He Himself made.

What rule are you thinking he changed?

 

[LeroyDumonde]

What rule are you thinking he changed?

You really don't know what Jesus' sacrifice was about?

 

[Meriweather]

You really don't know what Jesus' sacrifice was about?

I do know what it is about. Jesus laid down his life so that all might know repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Our sins are forgiven. God gave his life that we might be assured of this. Some denominations seem to believe that we needed punished, so God punished Jesus. Not what I learned.

 

[ninja007]

saved from what? saved for how long?

You know, there are other scripture psgs in the Bible. I've read the entire thing so I know...

it's really dangerous to hang your whole eternal destiny on 2 or 3 psgs or even 20 while ignoring the rest of them

ACTUALLY THERES DOZENS- THE IRONY OF A RC SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT ONE VERSE LOL! SOMETHING ABOUT A ROCK AND PETER LOL!

 

[ninja007]

saved from what? saved for how long?

You know, there are other scripture psgs in the Bible. I've read the entire thing so I know...

it's really dangerous to hang your whole eternal destiny on 2 or 3 psgs or even 20 while ignoring the rest of them

(a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed—he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.

(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns. We have both the advocate and judge as our Savior.

(c) Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away.

(d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers (John 14:17; Romans 8:9) and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ.

(e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence, if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.

(f) In a conclusive argument, Scripture says, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38–39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you. Once we are saved, we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!

 

[ding]

None of that changes the absolute insanity of God sacrificing Himself to Himself to change a rule that He Himself made.

Really? What's so insane about God putting himself on trial? You (and others and by others I mean most everyone) do it daily. I think it shows God's incredible sense of humor. He beat us to the punch.

 

[ding]

There is no Heaven

Define heaven. For that matter define God. Because I suspect it's your perception of God and your perception of heaven that is keeping you from being objective on this subject.

 

[Mashmont]

I have a childhood friend who got on drugs and committed suicide. Some would say he's doomed to Hell. But the Bible says you don't know. I offered an indulgence for his soul. If he is in Hell and unable to benefit it will go to someone else.

 

[forkintheroad7]

THE IRONY OF A RC SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT ONE VERSE

 

[forkintheroad7]

Wow... another person who doesn't understand Catholicism

Tells us what Catholicism is!

And what Catholics are!

Who knew that was possible?!

I'm glad some of us do better research than that! (Then again, that's not exactly a high bar)

 

[Zebra]

Who is Dahmer?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Yeh, at another thread here, a poster claims Dahmer went straight to Heaven.. didn't pass Go, didn't collect any purification whatsoever in .. I dunno.. Purgatory.. but Catholics who center their lives on Christ, hear His Word every day (some Catholics go to daily Mass), don't fornicate, and don't murder anyone-- even when it is legal to do so (abortion)...

yep... hell-bound fools!

Does that make sense to anyone here?

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Can you worship Christ in vain? The Bible says yes.

 

[forkintheroad7]

For US Christians this makes perfect sense …….

In the Bible it says in so many words (albeit CLEAR words) that people will end up in Hell for not seeking the truth--Thessolonians 2:2 for one...

Sad to say, you don't appear to give a rip about Truth

 

[forkintheroad7]

If you Have Real Presence then you don't need the Bible or the Church.

Technically, that is true more or less... But Jesus gave us a Church and it is the Church that gives us the Real Presence...

can't have the Real Presence of Christ without the Church, the one He founded.. (Catholic)

 

[forkintheroad7]

Can you worship Christ in vain? The Bible says yes.

I don't believe in changing the subject. . smacks of cowardice and other nefarious things

 

[forkintheroad7]

What if before his last breath he asked for forgiveness and acknowledged his sin?

The Catholic Church-- the real one, not that sick entity in the Vatican-- always, always taught that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church,

which makes sense if the CC is the Church Christ founded.. and it is.

It is the only claimant (to the title "church") that can be traced back to the FIRST century -- not the 16th century when the idolized-by-ignorant-folks Luther appeared.. aka "The Father of Protestantism"... aka FORMALLY Excommunicated Heretic

That said, no one, Catholic or Protestant, knows what happens to any given soul once it dies...

 

[forkintheroad7]

I have a childhood friend who got on drugs and committed suicide. Some would say he's doomed to Hell. But the Bible says you don't know. I offered an indulgence for his soul. If he is in Hell and unable to benefit it will go to someone else.

I've never read in the Bible that "you don't know" where someone goes after death.
But that said, it is true just the same.. we don't know. The Catholic Church teaches that we not know who is in Hell (or anywhere else after death). Other purported "churches" are always saying so and so who died is... say, "looking down on us from Heaven" or what have you... sigh

 

[forkintheroad7]

I have a childhood friend who got on drugs and committed suicide. Some would say he's doomed to Hell. But the Bible says you don't know. I offered an indulgence for his soul. If he is in Hell and unable to benefit it will go to someone else.

how is it known it was suicide and not a drug overdose?